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A17969 The speech of Sir Dudly Carlton Lord Ambassadour for the King of Great Britaine made in the Assembly of the Lords the Estates Generall of the vnited Prouinces of the Low Countries. Being assembled at the Haghe. Touching the discord and troubles of the Church and policie, caused by the schismaticall doctrine of Arminius. Exhibited the 6. of October. 1617. Set forth by authoritie.; Oratie ghedaen door. English Carleton, Dudley, Viscount Dorchester, 1573-1632. 1618 (1618) STC 4629; ESTC S107553 4,115 12

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THE SPEECH OF SIR DVDLY CARLTON LORD AMBASSADOVR FOR THE KING OF GREAT BRITAINE MADE IN THE ASSEMBLY of the Lords the Estates Generall of the vnited Prouinces of the Low Countries Being assembled at the HAGHE TOVCHING THE DISCORD AND TROVBLES OF THE Church and POLICIE caused by the Schismaticall Doctrine of ARMINIVS Exhibited the 6. of October 1617. Set forth by Authoritie LONDON Printed by William Iones for Nathaniel Browne and are to be sold at the great North doore of Saint Paules Church 1618. THE SPEECH OF SIR DVDLY CARLTON LORD EMBASSADOVR FOR the King of Great BRITAINE made in the Assembly of the Lords the Estates Generall of the vnited Prouinces of the Low Countries Being assembled at the Haghe TOVCHING THE DISCORD AND TROVBLES OF THE CHVRCH and policy caused by the Schismaticall Doctrine of ARMINIVS MY LORDS I HAVE here presented my selfe in your Assembly to discharge my selfe touching the dutie I beare towards God towards the King my Master and towards your Lordships The apprehension of the publike calamitie which alwaies accompanieth Schisme within the Church and Faction in the State doe giue mee too much subiect and cause for it And there being no more cause to dissemble how that in the space of few yeeres men haue approached by degrees to the one doe at this present proceede with full pace to the other of these precipices It were to forget the charge which I haue on the one part of his Maiestie in the qualitie of his Ambassadour and the Oath which I haue made to your Lordships as Counsellor of this estate and the coniunct Interest of the one with the other if I should not contribute all that which depends of mee to search and know exactly the originall progresse and present state of this euill to the end we may be able to apply therevnto the Remedy which is most necessarie It is the Rule of Hippocrates Desperatis non adhibere Medicinam But God bee thanked for it wee are not as yet come to so bad estate although to speake freely that vvhich is true of this matter wee are so neare to it seeing how the mischiefe goes forward growing euery day worse and worse that the Remedy will bee fruitlesse if it be delayed any longer Now for to seeke the Originall of this euill any further backe then the time of Arminius Professor at Leyden were to disguise the fact Some others before him it may be haue had the same scruples and the same troubles in their consciences vpon those high points of Predestination and the Dependences of it But the Church hath still continued in her peace and quiet in such sort that the fountaine and spring of the alteration which since his time some haue endeauoured to introduce into the true and ancient Doctrine vvhich you haue alwayes professed and is receiued and authorized by the common consent of all the reformed Churches howsoeuer some particular men haue had an opinion a part touching the said points ought to bee attributed to Arminius and to none other Out of the Ashes and Cinders of Arminius are sprung certaine others vvho hauing wedded his particular opinions during his life haue gone about to introduce them by cunning force into the publike Churches after his death And not able to effectuate their purpose by the ordinarie wayes of Classes and Synodall Congregations they directed themselues to my Lords the Estates of the Prouince After that followed the change of the name of an Arminian into a Remonstrant his opposite vvhich seekes to maintaine the Doctrine in the ancient puritie baptised himselfe with the name of Contre-Remonstrant But by many instances Counter-instances Propositions Answeres Replyes Diligences and craftie subtilties the said Remonstrant at last obtaines his cause against the poore Contre-Remonstrant gets in his fauour a Resolution of my Lords the Estates of Holland by the pluralitie of voices though against the liking and aduice of many good great Townes Triumpheth ouer him in Concionibus and vnder coulour of fiue points which haue not as yet passed a lawfull examination insinuates many others among the people stames Inuectiues against the Reformed Religion and the most famous and reuerend Teachers of it In many places changeth the Pastors and Ancients to set into their roomes such others as might be at his deuotion proceedes with such rigour as well in the Townes as in the Countrie as hee giues occasion to reuiue in these Prouinces on one side the hatefull name of the Inquisition and of the other side the deplorable words of Churches vvayling and lamenting of Churches persecuted couering himselfe alwayes with the title of the Authoritie publike as the onely man that performed obedience to the Magistrate And giuing the Contre-Remonstrant vvho begins to loose his patience and to separate himselfe from the body in Consequence of this vnhappie separation of soules the reproch of Schismatique and one mutinous and tumultuarie Hine Spargere voces in vulgum ambiguas what was meant to the Magistrate Et quaerere Conscius Arma for his defence Men Armed themselues in the particular Towns the example passeth into the Prouinces Thus you haue in few words the beginning and progresse of our euill The present estate of it is an actuall Separation if not a Schisme within the Church Iealousie not to call it faction in the estate Animosities and alterations betweene the Magistrates sowernesse and hatred amongst the people Contempt of the Ordinances of the Soueraigne Courts of Iustice Confusion among the souldiers being bound by diuers Oathes rumor and tumult betweene the people and the souldiers newly leuied and ill disciplined which is come already euen to the shedding of innocent bloud and of that there hath followed feare terrour and a generall amazement All this within the Countrey From abroad all we vnderstand of it are the mockeries and scoffes of our Enemies and the displeasure and extreame sorrow of our Friends Contraria inter se posita magis elucescunt wee see then before the time of Arminius what was the estate of these Prouinces vnion in the Church and Estate good correspondence betweene the Magistrates Christian loue and charitie among the people the Soueraigne Courts of Iustice respected the souldiers the seruants of your Lordships in peace with all the world except your Enemies all cheerefulnesse all reioycing all acknowledgement of the blessing of GOD which hath appeared miraculously in the defence of his cause in the sight and notice of all the world in your prosperitie whereat the Enemies of this estate haue remained dismayed and amazed and the friends of it greatly comforted For the present now that euery one sees so cleerely quantum dimiss a petitis praestant let the Remonstrant take in good part the Remonstrance that followeth and let him if he please serue himselfe thereof Mature redeat repetatque relicta But if the Doctrine of Arminius be so farre spread and multiplyed as there be no more time to giue back but that it behooueth to passe