For the City and County of the City of Lincoln the Major for the time being and Thomas Grantham Esquire For the West Riding of the County of York Ferdinando Lord Fairfax Sir Edward Roads Sir William Strickland Henry Cholmley Esquire For the East Riding Sir Marmaduke Langdale John Allured Esquire For the North Riding Thomas Hebblethwait Esquire Sir Henry Anderson Sir Henry Slingsby John Wastell Esquire For the City and County of the City of York the Lord Major for the time being Sir Thomas Widdrington and Sir William Allison For the County of Sussex Sir Thomas Pellham Mr. Shelley Mr. William Hay For the Ports in Sussex William Hay Herbert Morley Esquire For the County of Bucks Sir William Andrews Baronet Sir Alexander Denton Knight Sir John Parsons For the County of Berks Sir George Stonehouse Sir John Bacchus Roger Knight Esquire For the County of Cornwal Sir Richard Carey Baronet Alexander Carey Esquire Sir Richard Butler Knight For the County of Cumberland Richard Barwick Esquire William Pennington of Seaton Esquire For the County of Cambridge Sir Dudley North Sir John Cutts Thomas Chichely Thomas Wendy and Thomas Symonds Esquires For the County of Devon Sir Samuel Rolle Sir John Bramfield Baronet For the City of Exceter the Major for the time being For the County of Dorset Sir Walter Erle Sir Thomas Trenchard Knights For the County of Essex Sir Harbottle Grimston Sir Richard Everard Sir Thomas Bendish Sir Robert Kemp. For the County of Gloucester Henry Bret Esquire Sir Robert Cook Edward Stevens Thomas Hodges Esquires For the City and County of the City of Gloucester the Major for the time being and the two Ancient Aldermen For the County of Huntingdon Sir Sydney Mountague Anslow Winch Esquire Tirel Josseline Esquire Henry Cromwel Esquire For the County of Hertford Edward Chester Edward Wingate Esquires John Butler For the County of Hereford Walter Kerle Esquire Sir William Crofts Knight John Scudamore of Kenchurch James Kirle Edward Broughton Esquires For the County of Kent Mr. Edward Boyes Sir Thomas Walsingham Sir Edward Partridge Knights Richard Lee Esquire For the City and County of the City of Canterbury Sir Edward Masters Knight and for the Ports in Kent and their Members Sir Edward Boys Knight For the County of Leicester Sir Arthur Haslerigg Thomas Lord Grey For the County of Middlesex Sir John Danvers Sir William Roberts Sir Henry Roe Sir Gilbert Gerrard Sir John Franklyn For the City of Westminster Sir Robert Pye William Wheeler John Glyn Esquires For the City of London the Lord Major Thomas Soame Isaak Pennington Aldermen Samuel Vassal and Captain John Ven Merchants Members of the House of Commons For the County of Northampton Edward Montague Esquire Sir John Dryden Sir Christopher Yelverton Zouch Tate Esquire For the County of Norfolk Sir John Potts Sir Thomas Woodhouse Sir Edmond Moundeford For the City and County of Norwich the Major for the time being For the County of Northumberland Sir John Fennicke Henry Ogle Thomas Middleton William Shafto of Babington Esquires Town of New-Castle the Major for the time being Mr. Ledyard For the Town of Barwick Sir Robert Jackson Mr. John Sleigh Gent. William Fenwick Gent. For the County of Oxon. James Fynes Sir William Cobb Sir Thomas Penniston and John Doyley Esquire For the County of Rutland Sir Guy Palmes Sir Edward Harrington Robert Horseman Esquire For the County of Surrey Sir John Evelyn Sir Ambrose Brown Baronet For the County of Salop Sir Richard Newport Mr. Richard Moore Charles Baldwin Esquire For the County of Southampton Richard Whitehead Esquire Sir William Lewis Town of Southampton Major for the time being For the County of Suffolk Sir Roger North Sir Robert Crane Robert Reynolds Esquire Sir William Platers William Cage Esquire For the County of Somerset Sir John Horner Sir John Pawlet Knights John Pyne Esquire City of Bristol the Major for the time being John Gunning John Tomlinson For the County of Westmorland Sir Philip Musgrave Knight and Baronet Sir Henry Bellingham Gawin Braithwait Esquire For the County of Wilts Sir Nevil Poole Anthony Hungerford Esquire For the County of Worcester Humphrey Solloway Esquire Edward Dingley Edward Pitt Thomas Rouse Esquire City of Worcester the Major for the time being For the County of Warwick Sir Richard Skeffington William Combes Esquire John Hales Richard Shugborough Esquires For the City and County of Coventry the Major for the time being Alderman Million John Barr Esquire For the City of Litchfield the Bailiffs for the time being For the County of Anglesey Thomas Buckley Owen Wood Esquires For the County of Pembroke Henry Williams Thomas Gwyn William Morgan Esquires For the County of Carnarvan Thomas Glyn of Nantley William Thomas Owen Wynn Thomas Madrin Esquires For the County of Denbigh Thomas Middleton John Loyd William Wyn Esquire For the County of Flynt Thomas Mostyn Humphry Dymock John Eaton John Salisbury Esquires For the County of Glamorgan William Herbert Sir Thomas Lyne Miles Buton Esquires For the County of Merioneth William Salisbury Esquire Sir James Price Knight For the County of Pembrook Sir Richard Philips Baronet Sir Hugh Owen Knight and Baronet For the County of Montgomery Arthur Price Esquire Richard Griffith Edward Vaughan Esquires For the County of Radnor Thomas Lewis Robert Williams Richard Jones Esquires For the County Palatine of Durham Sir Lionel Madidson Sir Alexander Hall George Lilburn Clement Fulthorp For the County of Cardigan Walter Loyd James Lewis Esquires For the County of Carmarthen Richard Earl of Carberry Francis Loyd Esquire For the County of Monmouth Sir William Morgan Thomas Morgan William Herbert of Colebrook William Baker of Abergany Sir Robert Cooke Sir Charles Williams James Kirke Esquires Which said Persons so appointed and nominated or any one or more of them together with the Justices of the Peace of every Shire County or Riding respectively or any one or more of them or the Major Bailiffs Justices of the Peace Jurats or other Head-Officers within any City or Town Corporate or other Priviledged places or any one or more of them respectively shall have Power and are hereby authorized and required to do and perform all and every such thing and things as shall be necessary to the due execution of this present Ordinance according to the Instructions herewith annexed which said Instructions are hereby Ordered and Commanded to be duly observed and executed by all and every Person and Persons whom it shall or may appertain as they will answer the contrary at their Perils This Ordinance to continue no longer then till the end of this present Session of Parliament Instructions appointed by Ordinance of Parliament to the Persons thereby Authorized for the Disarming of Popish Recusants Instructions to the Comissioners for Disarming Popish Recusants and others and other dangerous Persons I. SUch Members of the House of Commons and other Persons as in and by the said Ordinance are particularly named and appointed or any one or more of them and the Justices
Nature to reveal concerning some Lords and Members of the House of Commons Upon this the House sent forth some Members to speak with the Man who acquainting the House with some Discourse they had with him the Commons sent for him in who beginning to relate the Business the House of Commons would not suffer him to name any Person lest the Parties hearing of it should Fly And because it concerned some Peers of this House the House of Commons have sent the Man who is now at the Door ready to be Examined openly or in what manner else their Lordships in their Wisdom shall think fit Then Thomas Beal a Taylor dwelling in White-Cross Street was called in and made a Relation of the whole Matter with all the Circumstances which was as follows THat this day at Twelve of the Clock Beal's Narrative before the Lords he went into the Fields near unto the Post-House and walking on a private Bank he heard some talking but did not see them at first but finding them by the Voice he coming within hearing of them understood they talked of State Affairs and going nearer them he heard one of them say that it was a wicked thing that the last Plot did not take but if this goes on as is in Hand and intended they shall be all made And also heard them say That there was 108 Men appointed to kill 108 Persons of the Parliament every One his Man some were Lords and the others were to be Members of the House of Commons all Puritans and the Sacrament was to be Administred to the 108 Men for performing of this and those that killed the Lords were to have 10 l. and those that were to kill the Members of the House of Commons 40 s. That Gorges being the 37th Man Very notable Rewards had taken the Sacrament on Saturday to kill one of the House of Commons and had received 40 s. That one Phillips coming to London on Sunday Night late was charged to be at my Lord's Chamber where was only my Lord Father Jones and Father Andrews he also had his Charge and five more with him he being the 108 man and the last as he thought That Phillips had been in Warwick-shire and in Buckingham-shire with Letters and that he delivered Letters to Mr. Sheldon who gave him his Dinner and a Piece for his Pains charging him to make haste to London again and giving him Letters to deliver to my Lord. That Dick Jones was appointed to kill that Rascally Puritan Pym and that 4 Tradesmen were to kill the Puritan Citizens which were Parliament men That on the same day being the 18th of this Month when the City shall be in a Tumult there shall be Risings in Six several Parts of this Land by the Papists viz. in Warwick-shire Worcester-shire Buckingham-shire Lancashire and Two other Places which he remembers not That those that were to kill the Lords were brave Gallants in their Scarlet Coats and had received every man 10 l. a piece and when that was gone they might come and fetch more That this was to be done either coming down Stairs or taking their Coaches or entring into their Lodgings or any other way as they should see opportunity That although all were not killed yet the Tumult would be so great that it would prevent sending to Ireland and that was Father Andrews his Wit to prevent sending thither because if they prevailed there they should not have Cause to fear here This Relation being made Beal was commanded to withdraw and the House took into serious Consideration what Course was fit to be speedily taken in this Business And the House being informed That there is one Father Brown a Priest in the Gate-House who is a likely Man to give Information and Descriptions of Jones and Andrews mentioned by Beal the Lord Chief Justice of the Common-Pleas and Mr. Justice Reeves were appointed to go presently to the Gate-House to take his Examinations It was also Ordered That the Justices of the Peace Order to Apprehend Priests and Jesuits of the City and Liberties of Westminster the Justices of Peace for the County of Middlesex and the Lord Mayor and Sheriffs of London do presently make speedy and privy Search this Night for Father Jones and Father Andrews Priests and for all other Seminary Priests and Jesuits and to cause them to be forthwith Taken and Apprehended and put into safe Custody until the further Pleasure of this House be known and that their Names be returned to this House and that any Man that shall discover any Popish Priest or Jesuit and procure them to be Apprehended shall be rewarded by the Parliament It was further Ordered That the Gentleman Vsher attending this House or his Deputy shall repair unto Edward Sheldon Esquire the Elder Order to seize the two Mr. Sheldons upon Beal's Discovery and Edward Sheldon the Younger his Son and bring them unto the Lords in Parliament with a safe and Strong Guard upon them if there shall be Cause and that the Sheriff of the County wherein the said Mr. Sheldons now Reside shall Aid and Assist the said Gentleman Vsher or his Deputies for the safe bringing up of the said Mr. Sheldons to the House if the said Gentleman Vsher or his Deputies shall desire it And that the said Gentleman Vsher or his Deputies shall call in two of the next Justices of the Peace and Seal up their Study Doors and make search for Priests and Jesuits and bring them up that they may be Proceeded against as this House shall direct Ordered That Mr. William Sheldon now in Town be forth-coming at such time as this House shall send for him and in the mean time his Study to be sealed until further Order Ordered That all Lords Recusants being Members of this House and Peers of Parliament being now in Town shall come to this House on Tuesday the 16th of this Instant November by Nine of the Clock in the Morning Ordered That strict and near Search shall be made with all possible Speed in all Parts in and about the City of London and the Liberties thereof for one called or known by the Name of Richard Jones who being Apprehended shall be forthwith brought before the House And it was also Ordered That the Deputy Lieutenants of the Counties of Worcester Lancashire Warwick-shire and Buckingham-shire have a Charge to secure the said Counties The Lord Chief Justice of the Common-Pleas Reported Thnt he hath Examined Father Brown whether he knows any such Men as Father Jones and Father Andrews and his Answer is he knows no such In the Commons House a Committee was appointed to prepare a Draught of an Ordinance of Parliament for the putting the Trained-Bands into a readiness and posture of Defence upon all Occasions and likewise for securing the Persons of the Prime Papists and the Knights Citizens and Burgesses to bring in Lists of the Prime Papists in their several Counties Tuesday Novemb 16. Mr.
and Goodness My Lords they are the Beauty of the Soul they are the Perfection of all created Natures they are the Image and Character of God upon the Creatures This Beauty Evil Spirits and Evil Men have lost but yet there are none so wicked but they desire to march under the shew and shadow of it though they hate the reality of it This unhappy Earl now the Object of your Lordships Justice hath taken as much care hath used as much cunning to set a face and countenance of Honesty and Justice upon his Actions as he hath been negligent to observe the Rules of Honesty in the Performance of all these Actions My Lords it is the greatest baseness of Wickedness that it dares not look in his own Colours nor be seen in its natural Countenance But Virtue as it is amiable in all respects so the least is not this That it puts a Nobleness it puts a Bravery upon the Mind and lifts it above Hopes and Fears above Favour and Displeasure it makes it always uniform and constant to it self The Service Commanded me and my Colleagues here is to take off those Vizards of Truth and Vprightness which hath been sought to be put upon this Cause and to shew you his Actions and his Intentions in their own natural Blackness and Deformity My Lords He hath put on a Vizard of Truth in these words wherein he says That he should be in his Defence more careful to observe Truth than to gain Advantage to himself He says He would endure any thing rather than be saved by Falshood It was a noble and brave Expression if it were really true My Lords He hath likewise put on the Vizard of Goodness on his Actions when he desires to recite his Services in a great many Particulars as if they were Beneficial to the Common-wealth and State whereas we shall prove them Mischievous and Dangerous It is left upon me My Lords to take off these Vizards and Appearances of Truth and Goodness in that part of his Answer which is the Preamble And that I shall do with as much Faithfulness and Brevity as I can 1. The First thing My Lords that I shall observe in the Preamble is this That having recited all those great and honourable Offices which he hath done under his Majesty he is bold to affirm That he hath been Careful and Faithful in the Execution of them all My Lords If he might be his own Witness and his own Judge I doubt not but he would be Acquitted It is said in the Proverbs of the Adulterous Woman That she wipes her mouth and says she had done no Evil. Here is a wiping of the mouth here is a verbal expression of Honesty But My Lords the foulness and unjustness will never be wiped off neither from his Heart nor from his Actions I mean for the time past God may change him for the time to come That is the first thing I observe 2. My Lords In the second place out of his Apologetical Preamble I shall observe this He doth magnifie his own Endeavours in five particulars 1. That he hath Endeavoured the maintenance of Religion I may miss in words I shall not miss in sense 2. That he hath Endeavoured the Honour of the King 3. The Encrease of his Revenue 4. The Peace and Honour and Safety of the Kingdom 5. The Quiet and Peace of the People These are his five particulars and I shall give a short Answer to every one of them 1. For Religion My Lords we say and we shall prove that he hath been diligent indeed to favour Innovations to favour Superstitions to favour the Incroachments and Vsurpations of the Clergy But for Religion it never received any advantage by him nay a great deal of hurt 2. For the Honour of the King My Lords We say it is the Honour of the King that He is the Father of His People that He is the Fountain of Justice and it cannot stand with His Honour and Justice to have His Government Stain'd and Polluted with Tyranny and Oppression 3. For the Encrease of His Revenue It is true there may be some Addition of Sums but we say There is no Addition of Strength nor Wealth because in those parts where it hath been increased this Earl hath taken the greatest share himself And when he hath spoiled and ravined on the People he hath been content to yield up some part to the King that he might with more security enjoy the rest 4. For the Strength and Honour and Safety of the Kingdom My Lords In a time of Peace he hath let in upon us the Calamities of War Weakness Shame and Confusion 5. And for the Quiet of the Subjects he hath been an Incendiary he hath Armed us amongst our selves and made us weak and naked to all the World besides This is that I shall answer to the second Head of his Apology 3. The Third is this My Lords That by his means many good and wholesome Laws have been made since his Government in Ireland Truly My Lords if we should consider the particulars of these Laws some of them will not be found without great Exception But I shall make another Answer good Laws nay the best Laws are no advantage when Will is set above Law when the Laws have force to bind and restrain the Subject but no force to Relieve and Comfort him 4. He says in the Fourth place He was a means of calling a Parliament not long after he came to his Government My Lords Parliaments without Parliamentary Liberties are but a fair and plausible way into Bondage That Parliament had not the Liberties of a Parliament Sir Pierce Crosby for speaking against a Bill in the Commons House was sequestred from the Council-Table and Committed to Prison Sir John Clotworthy for the same Cause was threatned that he should lose a Lease that he had Mr. Barnewell and two other Gentlemen were threatned they should have Troops of Horse put upon them for speaking in the House Proxies by dozens were given by some of his Favourites And My Lords Parliaments coming in with these Circumstances they be Grievances Mischiefs and Miseries no works of Thanks or Honour 5. The Fifth is That he hath been a means to put off Monopolies and other Projects that would have been Grievous and Burdensome to the Subjects if he had hated the Injustice of a Monopoly or the Mischief of a Monopoly he would have hated it in himself he himself would have been no Monopolist Certainly My Lords It was not the love of Justice nor the Common Good that moved him And if he were moved by any thing else he had his Reward It may be it was because he would have no man gripe them in the Kingdom but himself his own Harvest-Crop would have been less if he had had sharers It may be it was because Monopolies hinder Trade he had the Customs and the benefit of the Customs would have been less when we know the
advance their Trade and Manufactures could not be very valuable since they made any alteration of their ancient Customs how foolish and unreasonable soever a great Grievance and Occasion of Complaint and there is Extant in the Paper-Office a Petition to reverse an Order of the Council-Board forbidding them to plough with their Horses tyed only to one anothers Tails and to use the English way of Traces for their more commodious performing the service of their Tillage But his last expressions put the Managers into a great heat and Mr. Glyn cryed out My Lords these words are not to be suffered charging the House of Commons with Faction Correspondency and Conspiracy we desire your Lordships Justice in this so watchful were they to catch at any seeming advantage even of an incautelous Expression But the Noble Prisoner with his wonted Temper replyed God forbid I should think there was or could be any thing in that House or any Member of it but that which agrees with Truth Justice and Equity and turning to the Lords protested he had no intention to reflect either upon the Lords House in Ireland or the Commons here but upon certain Persons that were not Members of the Commons House here that held Correspondency with some in Ireland that are no Members of the House there Then the Remonstrance of the Commons House in Ireland was read being in Effect the same with that from the Lords The next thing which was insisted on was the point of the Revenue Sir Edward Warder Sir Robert Pye Lord Mountnorris Witnesses which they endeavoured to prove he had not advanced by the Testimony of Sir Edward Warder Sir Robert Pye and the Lord Mountnorris to which my Lord made appear that he found the Crown indebted 100000 l. at his Entrance but had since improved the Revenue so that Ireland was able to subsist without being as it had been in the time of his Predecessors a burthen to England and that at his coming over he left 100000 l. in the King's Exchequer and in Fine the Managers did as good as give him the point for they confessed that it was not to be denied but the Revenue was encreased by such means as my Lord Strafford hath increased it but that it was not the Natural Revenue but the Bounty of the Country that supported the Charge before my Lord came to the Government so that to say Ireland did not support it self before in the general sence is untrue but to say in a special sence that the King 's proper Revenue did not support it his Lordship says true From whence the Earl inferred that therefore it was not material to insist upon it They then Charged him with receiving 24000 l. of the King's Revenue and making use of it which in Effect he did not deny it being a particular Favour of the King to permit him so to do and that he gave good security for the money and had also repaid it The Managers here took exceptions at the Earl's interlocutory discourses to which he answered applying himself to the Lords That he should willingly submit to the Order of their Lordships only there were some things put upon him which were not in the Charge to which he craved Liberty to recollect himself to make his Defence making protestation as in the Presence of Almighty God and by the hopes he had to be delivered out of his Afflictions that he never had other Intentions then to be true and faithful to his Majesty and the Common-wealth and that he hoped to regain the same good opinion of the House of Commons which he once had when he was once a Member of it being he was still the same person both in Opinion and Intention This the Managers opposed and urged to have him answer immediately desiring if he did not answer then he might be precluded from any future Answer Upon which he renewed his Request but withal desired their Lordships if it could not be granted to bear with many infirmities both of his Body and Mind which were very great and which did plead for a little Favour and Compassion He said the House of Commons proceeded with Justice according to their Information but that he knew it was in the Hearts of all that heard him that he should have time to clear a truth that no person could he thought deny it and therefore humbly prayed he might not be surprized Hereupon the Lords adjourned to their House for half an hour and at their return Ordered him to make his Answer presently which to the Admiration of the hearers he did as followeth My Lords I Shall never do other than readily obey whatsoever your Lordships should please to command me The Earl of Strafford's Speech April 23. my heart paying you Obedience and so in truth shall every thing that proceeds from me The question I observe is matter of Truth or not Truth in the Preamble as they call it of this my Answer and to that with all the Humility and Modesty in the World I will apply my self as not conceiving it any way becoming me to speak any thing of Sharpness in any kind but with all Humility and Reverence to bear all these Afflictions with acknowledgment unto Almighty God and to lay them so to my heart that they may provide for me in another World where we are to expect the Consummation of all Blessedness and Happiness And therefore to lay aside all these Aggravations by words wherewith I have been set forth to your Lordships only with this that I trust I shall make my self appear a person otherwise in my Dispositions and Actions than I have been rendred and shortly and briefly I shall fall upon the very points as near as I can that were mentioned by that Noble Gentleman and if I should forget any I desire to be remembred of them that I may give the best Answer I can on a suddain with this Protestation That if I had had time I should have given a far clearer Answer than on the sudden I shall be able to do I will take them as they lye in Order And the first thing in this Answer is That in Ireland by my means many good Laws were made for increase of the King's Revenue and for the good of the Church and Commonwealth and this I humbly conceive was not denied directly only it was inferr'd That Laws were of no use where Will was put above Law That these Laws were made the Acts of Parliament that are extant and visible things do make appear For though I might express it darkly by reason I understood not matters of Law the Truth of it is before such time as I came there the Statutes of Wills and Uses and Fraudulent Conveyances were not of force in Ireland by which there was a very great mischief that fell many ways both on the King and specially on the English Planters For by want of these Statutes no man knew when he had a good Title
things as may advance the King's Service and that from them it passes to the Lord Keeper or Chancellor That he gave no Directions about it nor was any proof offered that he did as to the Execution he never did Act nor stay a minute as President after that Commission granted which appears by the Date which was 21 March 8 Car. and he went towards Ireland July following and being neither privy to the taking out the Commission nor Execution he appealed to their Lordships and the Gentlemen of the House of Commons Whether he could be Criminal That if there be an Error in a Judge so that he gives a Sentence otherwise than a man of better Vnderstanding conceives Reason for there is no cause it should be heightned to a Treason to take from him his Life and Honor merely because he was no wiser That what Mr. John Gore speaks to is not in his Charge That to what Musgrave deposeth he can say nothing but by way of Divination that he is but a single Witness speaks not to the Charge that what he sayes will hardly convince a man of a Trespass it being Grounded on a Rule in our Law Boni Judicis est ampliare Jurisdictionem as far as in Reason and Justice they may As to Thorp's Testimony which he speaks to was before the Commission 8 13 Car. and so is not within the Charge This he proved Witnesses for the Earl Slingsby Railton and Little that from July 8. 1633. he was out of England and returned not till 1639. by Mr. Slingsby his Secretary Mr. Railton and Mr. Tho. Little but not upon Oath To this the Managers rejoyned That whereas he said the Charge is not Treason if the Fact appear satisfaction will in good time be given That though this particular is not Treason yet all the parts of it amount to the subversion of the Laws of the Kingdom that is prest as Treason and this as an Evidence Then they fell upon that Expression in the charge Art 2. that at a Publick Assizes he should say That some of the Justices were all for Law and nothing would please them but Law but they should find that the King 's little finger should be heavier than the Loins of the Law This they indeavoured to prove Witnesses William Long Sir Thomas Leyton Marmaduke Potter Mr. William Long deposed That he heard him say the words Sir Thomas Leyton deposed the same and the deposition of Marmaduke Potter deceased since his Examination was read being to the same words To this he answered He could not possibly be guilty of the words as laid in the Charge which sayes it was August after the 21 March 8 Car. at what time he was in Ireland but he would not stand upon Niceties that truth might appear that the words he spoke were That the little finger of the Law was heavier then the King's Loins which agrees with the eccasion for Sir Thomas Leyton Sherriff Levying with great rigor some Knighthood-Money which was paid before but by some Error above sent down again upon which he desired Sir Thomas to return the Money and he would see him discharged in the Exchequer it being so great an Injustice to the Persons and to satisfie the Country he told them the Commission was of Grace and Favour applying those words before recited that none of the Witnesses took notice of the Occasion Dr. Duncomb being demanded what he knew deposed for the Earl Witnesses Dr. Duncomb for the Earl Sir William Pennyman That Sir Edward Stanhope told him in the presence of divers that my Lord had said That speaking of the Prerogative as easier then the Common Law he heard him use the words before recited But Sir William Pennyman positively averred it to be as my Lord had declared at which the managers took great Exception saying He did his duty well being a Member not to inform the House before The Earl desired he might not be prejudiced for his Testimony professing he would put himself upon God's Mercy and not make use of any member of either House though his principal Witnesses were of them rather than be guilty of the Injustice of overthrowing another to save himself Then Sir David Fowles was offered as a Witness but my Lord excepted against him being then a Prisoner in the Fleet at my Lord's Suit But he was over-ruled the Evidence being for the King He deposed positively That he heard the words but the occasion he did not remember but being interrogated as to the occasion a little after he answered That before my Lord went to Ireland he made a Speech to the Countrey and desired them to go on in their Service and to break out in these words which as it contradicted the former Evidence as to the Occasion so he contradicted himself saying but just before he could not well remember the Occasion Sir William Ingram deposed the words but could not remember the Occasion To this the Earl replied That admitting the words spoken Sir William Ingram yet they were not Treason and referred that as a point of Law in due time to be argued by his Councel and the Managers adding they had proved the Fact the Court adjourned This day they proceeded to the Third Article Thursday March 26. The Fourth Day That the Earl should say That Ireland was a Conquered Kingdom and the King might do with them what he pleased That the Charters of Dublin were nothing worth and did bind the King no further than he pleased The Earl moved that he might add something material to what was spoken yesterday the Manager opposed it as contrary to Order The Earl said it was a Court of Honour and a Rule to it self alledging the disadvantage of suddain Answers but it was denied him Then he moved the Witnesses might not stand with the Committee but apart as in other Courts which was also denied Robert Kennyday was produced Robert Kennyday but the Earl objected against him as a person Sentenced for Misdemeanors in his Office of Remembrancer saying It was his great Misfortune that all that have suffered under the King's Justice in his Ministry are ready to be Witnesses against him But the Manager replied If he was guilty of Extortion yet not of Perjury So he was sworn and deposed positively that he heard the words Sept. 30. 1633 spoken at the Presenting a New Mayor of Dublin The Earl of Cork was sworn against whom the Earl Excepted Richard Earl of Cork in regard of an Information against him which under his hand and Seal he had confessed and acknowledged himself in the King's Mercy for which he might be supposed to be displeased at him for something done in that Cause To this it was said the reflection was unfit the Earl of Cork being a Privy-Councellor so he was admitted He said he came over with a Resolution not to complain and left his Papers behind him that he might have no temptation to it but
God be praised he met with a Gracious King upon whom he could not prevail and for his bringing the Army into England thô he tells Sir William Pennyman he did not intend it yet there was Vox Populi and that was a horrid Witness That he intended to invade the Property of the People is plain from his own words That the King should make Restitution when the Danger was over and his saying That a Privy Councellor ought not to be questioned for his Counsels was so great a proof of his Actions that he could not give a Greater Then by consent my Lord moving for a dayes interval his Voice and Strength being spent the Court was adjourned till Wednesday Upon Wednesday the Commons proceeded to the 25th Article of the Charge Wednesday April 7. Artic. 25. concerning the Earl of Strafford's advice of Vigorously levying Ship-money and by compulsion Endeavouring to raise money upon the Lord Mayor and City of London and that for their not complying they deserved to be put to Fine and Ransom To this the Lord Treasurer Bishop Williams deposed Lord Treasurer That Ship-money coming in very slowly they were forced to take out great Sums to furnish the Fleet out of the Money provided for the Army and my Lord Strafford said That if it were not repaid the Army would be destitute and therefore advised the Ship-Money might go on vigorously to repay it Sir Tho. Wiseman deposed Sir Thomas Wiseman That the Aldermen being called before their Lordships about the Loan my Lord Strafford said They would never do their Duty well till they were put to Fine and Ransom and to His Majesty You will have no good of this man meaning as he supposes the Lord Mayor till he be laid by the heels but whether about Loan or Ship-money that was spoken he remembers not The Earl of Berkshire deposed Earl of Berks. That the King desiring to borrow Money upon good Security at 8. per Cent. and the Aldermen Excusing themselves for nominating who were able to lend in their several Wards my Lord Strafford said Gentlemen in my Opinion you may be liable to Fine and Ransom for refusing the King's Command in not certifying the Names Sir H. Garaway deposed That being Lord Mayor Sir Henry Garaway he attended the Council about Ship-Money informing His Majesty That the Willing Men had only paid the Money and they thought it unequal others should go free That it was the Opinion of the City That a Writ for Ship-Money and a Writ for a Parliament did not agree and that they found People generally averse to it whereupon my Lord Strafford said to the King Sir you will never do good on this Man till you have made him an Example he is too diffident or to that purpose unless you commit him you shall do no good upon him And about the Loan-Money desiring to be spared in seting a Rate on Mens Estates the Earl said to the King Sir you will never do good of these Citizens of London till you have made Examples of some of the Aldermen to his best remembrance he said Unless you hang up some of them you will do no good upon them this he spake positively The Earl replyed That he would speak with as much Truth The Earl's Defence thô not so much confidence as this Gentleman That he must still insist upon this that admitting it proved it does not amount to Treason nothing being proved but by single Testimonies that as to Ship-money there was a Judgment given in the Star-Chamber and if he was in an Error he was led into it by the practise of the Times and wiser men than himself howbeit he doth not justifie himself in that point being better informed by what he hath heard since is the Judgment of those to whose wisdom he submits That in such a Case of extreme necessity he might hold the Aldermen lyable to Fine and Ransom in case they did not submit to the King's demands he wishes he had not spoken them but being a little Excess of Extravagant Speech he hopes by their Lordships Favour it may be excused and God forbid for every such Excess a man should be Arraigned for Treason for otherwise few would Escape the Danger of hasty words for the words about hanging them up My Lord Major at first said it to the best of his remembrance and afterwards absolutely And he sayes to the best of his remembrance he did not speak them and if he did being spoken in so good Company some of their Lordships would have remembred them And however it stands with him now before these misfortunes befel him he was equally to be Credited with this Gentleman all the difference being one sayes it the other denies it and that at most being a hasty word and excusable in a free spoken man as he was and who smarts for it he hoped their Lordships Honour and Justice will rather Excuse then punish it Mr. Maynard replyed Managers Reply The Committee shall need to say little to this Answer but that such words compared with his other words and Actions proceed not from passion but Principles to do all things by his Will against Law and that my Lord knew these things and especially the Ship-money were against Law himself having so great a hand in the Petition of Right Mr Glyn added That whereas my Lord thinks it hard to be questioned for hasty words as High-Treason their Lordships may remember how for words concerning Treading on his Toe he prosecuted the Lord Mountnorris as far as to Life They next proceeded to the Charge in the 26 Article Artic. 26. concerning seizing the money in the Mint and Embasing of Coyn. To prove this Robert Edwards sworn Rob. Edwards deposed That going to represent to him the Inconvenience of the seisure of their Money in the Tower and that some Forreigners being concerned in it the Merchants Estates abroad upon their Complaint would be seized my Lord answered That if they fared amiss they might thank themselves and though they think it so strange here yet beyond Sea it is not so but on Commands men have their Goods taken and touching the City he said They dealt unthankfully with the King there being 14000 l. due for Ship-money which they denied and did more to maintain Rebels than to maintain his Majesty Being bid repeat it he said upon their Petition to my Lord about the Money in the Tower the Earl said That if they did speed amiss they might thank themselves for they were more ready to hold with Rebels than to give the King his due which was 14000 l. Ship money that my Lord was sick and sate in his Chair said That he knew nothing of it till that morning Anthony Palmer sworn Ant. Palmer deposed That in discourse with my Lord about base money and giving him reasons against it he shewed him and the other Officers of the Mint a Letter sent him out of France
voluntarily Sir Hugh Cholmley deposed Sir Hugh Cholmley That of those who staid with my Lord Strafford and joyned in the latter Petition they took a Note of above twenty that the Countrey had an opinion of that they were Papists or men affected that way but whether convict or not he could not tell After some little time of Recollection the Earl made his Defence The Earl's Defence That as to the Petition whereas they were to meet together and he having some poor Interest in the Countrey and not being made acquainted with the drawing of it but it was done privately he appeals to their Lordships whether he who was made a Stranger to the beginning of it should be over officious to serve them in the Conclusion he acknowledges he did disadvise the Clause about Petitioning for a Parliament not out of aversion to Parliaments for he told them at the meeting of the Great Council his Majesty would be pleased to call a Parliament and that their Petition would neither further nor hinder it and therefore might be forborn and the King left free in his Acts of Grace to his People that he might have all the Honour of it to himself and it should proceed from his own Goodness and Royal Breast not as advised to it by any others thereby to apply the Affections and Gratitude of the People to his Majesty As to the second Message and raising a Tax without lawful Warrant he said That on Debate of the business of 200 present not above 3 or 4 Dissented but that they did totally lay aside the Petition and gave him Commission to signifie to his Majesty how willing they were to contribute a Months pay to the Train Bands which he did faithfully deliver and named divers who gave their consent who were free from the imputation of Popery as any in the County To this Sir Paul Neal was Examined Sir Paul Neal. Who attested it was according to the Account his Lordship had given that if he thinks 200 Gentlemen Except 4 or 5 he dares swear not 10 the whole Vote of the Company was that it should be delivered according to the substance of the Petition the last Clause left out Sir Edward Osborn averred Sir Edward Osborn That all but about Ten did consent to a Months pay and to leave out the Clause and not above 4 or 5 Gentlemen opened their mouths against this consent in words their hearts he knows not Sir William Pennyman attested the same Sir William Pennyman And that divers who had set their hands to the Petition did retract it himself for one and several Members of the House whom he would name if their Lordships thought fit but it was waved and as Sir Edward Osborn said before the Crowd was so great that at the delivery of the Message by my Lord to the King he could not come near to hear whence my Lord observed it was not done in a Corner when Persons of their quality could not come near Sir William Savil attested the same Sir Will. Savil. In effect as to retracting the Petition the number of Dissenters and that my Lord delivered it in his hearing faithfully to his Majesty and with much more advantage then the Petition was drawn and that he believes verily a months pay was the intention of them all and where he lived it was paid very willingly and no complaints of want of Money Sir William Pennyman Sir Edward Osborn attested to that point Sir Edward Rhodes attested much to the same purpose Sir Ed. Rhodes And that the Hall being appointed for the place of Debate of this Affair My Lord Strafford took notice that he was not fairly dealt with to have a Petition drawn without his consent and the business concluded before the time and out of the place appointed and that of 3000 Gentlemen he thinks not so many as 20 did disassent Sir Thomas Danby attested the same Sir Tho. Danby only upon Mr. Maynard's question Whether two Soldiers were not hang'd for mutinying for want of pay which they would not have done if they had been well paid Sir Thomas answered he could not speak to that without prejudice to himself he being questioned for hanging men by Martial Law Sir George Wentworth of Woolley attested the same As to retracting the Petition Sir George Wentworth and my Lords delivering it by word of mouth c. My Lord then proceeded to the matter of Sir William Pennyman's Warrant and declared That upon the complaint of those who maintained the 2 Regiments at Yarum and Richmondshire desiring that common Justice might be done in the common misfortune he did divers of the Lords being at Rippon humbly present to the King and great Council of Peers at York That it was Justice and Reason that the rest of the Countrey should contribute towards the Charge for the common benefit or else successively relieve those Regiments this he moving his Majesty was pleased to assent and gave direction he should proceed upon which he said Then if my Lords approve of it I shall see it done accordingly That divers of the Lords said Yes and he took it for granted but understanding that some of their Lordships at Rippon were dissatisfied that it was said to be the Act of the Great Council the last day they met he gave an account of it and moved the King to know whether the Warrant should be recalled and some Lords saying the Great Council had no power to Levy money to which he answered the Warrant was not to levy money but to enjoyn the Parties to do their Duties or pay the money at which time the King was pleased to Command him to go on and no person spake to the contrary which he took for consent that all he got by it was to have his own Tenants charged who otherwise would not have paid a Farthing and that it was done for the ease of the Countrey and so taken it being much more for their Ease to pay that money then to relieve those Regiments some of them being to march 70 Miles Sir Edward Osborn Sir William Pennyman and Mr. Roger Strickland attested this and that by all parties it was look't upon as an Ease and Benefit As for Sir Edward Osborn 's Warrant and Mr. Yoward 's and the Musketteers he made no Warrant gave no directions But he conceives he hath done nothing but what he was impow red by his Commission a Clause of which was For the better Execution of this our Commission We do further give and grant to you full power and Authority from time to time and at all times at your discretion to command and require of and from all our Lieutenants and Deputy-Lieutenants in our several Counties of this our Realm and Dominion of Wales and of and from every or any of them to send to you or such place as you shall appoint such number of able men for War as well Horsemen as Foot-men in
I remember Lastly in farther taking away of this Testimony I have proved it by a great many Witnesses beyond all exception that there was never any such intendment of the bringing this Army into England nay that the Design was quite otherwise and this hath been apparently cleared before your Lordships By the Testimony of my Lord of Northumberland Marquess of Hamilton Sir Thomas Lucas and Mr. Slingsby And might have been further justifi'd by the Testimony of my Lord of Ormond President of Munster and Sir John Burlace Master of the Ordnance in Ireland if they had been here to have been produced So that all these laid together the strong and clear proof on my part the producing of a single Witness which by the Proviso of 1 Edw. 6. cannot rise in Judgment against any man for High-Treason I trust all these laid together I shall appear to your Lordships clear and free from these two points whereupon they enforce me to be within the compass of Treason by the Statute alleadged The Third Treason that is laid to my Charge is upon the 27th Article where Four Musquettiers being sent to Egton by Sergeant Major Yaworth to call for their Eight pence a day is prest upon me as a Levying of War upon the King and His People and to be High-Treason upon the Statute of 25 E. 3. These be wonderful Wars if we have no greater Wars then such as four men are able to raise by the Grace of God we shall not sleep very unquietly But How do they prove this to be done by me they produce to your Lordships the Warrant of Sir William Pennyman but had no Warrant at all of mine to shew Sir William Pennyman doth not alledge any Warrant of mine to that purpose he speaks of a General Warrant wherein I and the Deputy-Lieutenants joyn for the paying of the Fortnights pay as they call it and that is very true but that I should give Warrant to Levy by Soldiers no such thing is proved no such thing is shewed no such thing is alleadged by Sir William Pennyman that best knew it and should do it in his own Justification if there were such a thing but on the other side I must humbly beseech your Lordships to mind you what a clear and full proof I made thereof to you till you were weary though I think I I could have continued it a year longer if need had been that there was nothing done by me in the Levying of the first Months pay or the second Fortnights pay but with full consent of the Country nothing being of Constraint nothing being of force put upon them The Second Point was a Warrant shewed to your Lordships or at least pretended from Sir Edward Osborne the Vice-President wherein he charges them to obey and persue the substance and direction of his Warrant on pain of Death and this must likewise be laid to me My Lords I confess I have faults enough more than a good many though I trust neither so crying nor grievous as some would pretend them to be but Faults I have more then too many I need not take nor add to my self other Mens but whether this be a Fault or no I cannot undertake to Judge But certainly I am in no Fault for I was at when this Warrant issued from Mr. Vice-President and I dare say he is a Gentleman so worthy and noble and so great a Lover of Truth that let him be examined upon Oath if he shall not absolutely clear me from Privity or Direction of it I so much rely on him that I will be thought Guilty before your Lordships for this Charge Now my Lords having gone over all that first part which I thought fit to apply my self to and that is Statute-Treason There is no Statute-Treasons in the whole Charge nor colour or pretence thereof save onely that of Newcastle which was waved In these my Lords I hope I am clear before your Lordships and sure I am they give me little disquiet for in good faith I am clear in my own poor Judgment Then comes in the second Condition of Treason in the Charge and that is Constructive Treason and it is laid down in the first Article of the General Charge For my Lords I must tell you the First Articles exhibited are Grounds and Foundations whereupon the rest are gathered and to which they resort and apply themselves severally I do conceive my self in a manner by themselves clear of seven of these for they have in a manner relinquished Five of them So that the First Article is the main Article whereupon I must be touched and that is laid in the Charge thus That I have Trayterously endeavoured to subvert the Fundamental Laws and Government of the Realms of England and Ireland and have by Trayterous Words Councils and Actions declared the same and have advised His Majesty to Compel his Subjects to submit thereunto by force My Lords I must confess I have many times with my self considered with wonder at the Wisdom of our Ancestors that set the Pillars of this Monarchy with that singular Judgment and Providence that I have ever observed that so oft as either the Prerogative of the Crown or Liberty of the Subject Ecclesiastical or Temporal Powers exceed those modest bounds set and appointed for them by the sobriety and moderation of former times the exercise of it over-turn'd to the Prejudice and to the Detriment of the Publick Weale all the Strings of this Government and Monarchy have been so perfectly tuned through the skill and attention of our Fore-Fathers that if you wind any of them any thing higher or let them lower you shall infallibly interrupt the sweet accord that ought to be entertained of King and People With this Opinion I had the honour to sit many years in the Commons House and this Opinion I have carry'd along with me exactly and intirely for Fourteen Years in the King's Service ever Resolving in my heart Stare super vias antiquas to promote with equal care the Prerogative of the Crown and the Liberty of the Subject to Introduce the Laws of England into Ireland ever setting before my self a Joynt and Individual well-being of King and People for either they must be both or neither which made my Misfortune the greater to be now in my Gray Hairs charged as an under-worker against that Government a Subverter of that Law I wost affected and a Contriver against that Religion to the truth whereof I would Witness by the Sealing of it with my Blood My Lords As to the latter part concerning my Religion they have quitted me and I have nothing to answer to that because it is waved and I trust my Lords I shall clear my self in the first part concerning my being a Subverter of the Fundamental Laws that I shall stand clear to your Lordships Judgments in that Case My Lords This Subversion must be by Words by Councils and by Actions in Ireland and in England My Lords
him and in that which is most Sacred amongst Men the Publick Justice of the Kingdom The King is to be accounted unto for the loss of the meanest Member much more of one so near the Head The Commons are concerned in their Account for what is done your Lordships in that which is to be done The business therefore of the present Conference is to acquaint your Lordships with those things that satisfy'd the Commons in Passing of this Bill such of them as have come within my capacity and that I can remember I am Commanded from the Commons at this time to present unto your Lordships My Lords in Judgment of greatest Moment there are but two wayes for satisfying those that are to give them either the Lex lata the Law already established or else the use of the same Power for making new Laws whereby the old at first received life In the first consideration of the setled Laws in the degrees of Punishment the Positive Law received by General Consent and for the Common Good is sufficient to satisfie the Conscience of the Judge in giving Judgment according to them In several Countries there is not the same measure of Punishment for one and the same Offence Wilful Murder in Ireland it is Treason and so is the wilful Burning of a House or a Stack of Corn In the Isle of Man it is Felony to Steal a Hen but not to Steal a Horse and yet the Judge in Ireland hath as just a Ground to give Judgment of High-Treason in those Cases there as here to give Judgment only of Felony and in the Isle of Man of Felony for the Hen as here for Petty-Larceny My Lords in the other Consideration of using the Supream Power the same Law gives Power to the Parliament to make new Laws that enables the inferiour Court to Judge according to the old The Rules that guides the Conscience of the inferiour Court is from without the Prescripts of the Parliament and of the Common-Law in the other the Rule is from within that Salus Populi be concerned that there be no wilful oppression of any of the Fellow-Members that no more Blood be taken than what is necessary for the Cure the Laws and Customes of the Realm as well enable the Exercise of this as of the Ordinary and Judicial Power My Lords What hath been said is because that this proceeding of the Commons by way of Bill implies the use of the meer Legislative Power in respect new Laws are for the most part past by Bill This My Lords though just and legal and therefore not wholly excluded yet it was not the only ground that put the Commons upon the Bill they did not intend to make a new Treason and to condemn my Lord of Strafford for it they had in it other considerations likewise which were to this effect First The Commons knew that in all former Ages if doubts of Law arose of great and general concernments the Parliament was usually consulted withal for resolution which is the reason that many Acts of Parliament are only Declarative of the Old Law not Introductive of a New as the great Charter of our Liberties The Statute of Five and Twentieth year of Edward the Third of Treasons The Statute of the Prerogative and of late the Petition of Right if the Law were doubtful in this Case they perceived the Parliament where the old way is altered and new Laws made the fittest Judge to clear this Doubt Secondly My Lords they proceeded this way to obviate those Scruples and Delayes which through disuse of proceedings of this nature might have risen in the manner and way of proceedings since the Statute of the First of Hen. 4. Cap. 17. and more fully in the Roll number 144. The proceedings of Parliament have usually been upon an Indictment first found though in Cases of Treason particularly mentioned in the Statute of 25 Edw. 3. which had not been done in this case doubts likewise might rise for Treasons not particularly mentioned in the Statute of 25 Edw. 3. whether the Declaratory Power of Parliament be taken away in what manner they were to be made and by whom they find not any Attainders of Treason in Parliament for near this 200 years but by this way of Bill and again they know that whatsoever could be done any other way it might be done by this Thirdly In respect of the Proofs and Depositions that have been made against him for First although they knew not but that the whole Evidence which hath been given at the Bar in every part of it is sufficiently comprehended within the Charge yet if therein they should be mistaken if it should prove otherwise use may justly be made of such Evidence in this way of Bill wherein so as Evidence be given in it 's no way requisite that there should have been any Articles or Charge at all and so in the case of double Testimony upon the Statute of the 1 Edw. 6. whether one direct Witness with others to circumstances had been single or double Testimony And although single Testimony might be sufficient to satisfie private Consciences yet how far it would have been satisfactory in a judicial way where forms of Law are more to be stood upon was not so clear whereas in their way of Bill private satisfaction to each man's Conscience is sufficient although no Evidence had been given in at all My Lords The proceeding by way of Bill it was not to decline your Lordships Justice in the judicial way in these exigends of the State and Kingdom it was to Husband time by silencing those doubts they conceived it the speediest and surest way My Lords these are in effect the things the Commons took into their Consideration in respect of the manner and way of Proceeding against the Earl In the next place I am to declare unto your Lordships the things they took into their Considerations in respect of the Matter and Merits of the Cause and they are comprehended within these six heads 1. That there is a Treason within the Statute of 25 of Edw. III. by Levying of War upon the Matter of the 15th Article 2. If not by actual levying of War yet by advising and declaring his intention of War and that by Savil's Warrant and advice of bringing over the Irish Army upon the Matter in the 23d Article then intending of a War if not within the clause of levying of a War in the Statute of 25th Edw. 3. yet within the first Treason of compassing the death of the King 3. If either of these two single Acts is within the Statute of 25th Edw. 3. yet upon putting all together which hath been proved against him that there is a Treason within the first Clause of Compassing the death of the King Et si non Prosunt singula juncta juvant 4. That he hath Sessed and laid Soldiers upon the Subjects of Ireland against their Will and at their Charge within the Irish Statute of
for though it cost him his life he that is in possession thinks it as well worth the keeping John Sparhank in King Henry the Fourth's time meeting two men upon the way amongst other talk said That the King was no rightful King but the Earl of March and that the Pope would grant Indulgencies to all that could assist the Earl's Title and that within half a year there would be no Liveries nor Cognizances of the King that the King had not kept promise with the People but had laid Taxes upon them In Easter-Term in the third year of Henry the Fourth in the Kings Bench Rot. 12. this adjudged Treason this denying the Title with Motives though not implyedly of Action against it adjudged Treason this is a compassing the Kings death How this was a compassing of the Kings Death is declared in the Reasons of the Judgment that the words were spoken with an intent to withdraw the affections of the people from the King and to excite them against him that in the end they might rise up against him in mortem destructionem of the King My Lords in this Judgment and others which I shall cite to your Lordships it appears that it is a compassing the Kings death by Words to endeavour to draw the Peoples hearts from the King to set discord between the King and them whereby the People should leave the King should rise up against him to the death and destruction of the King The Cases that I shall cite prove not only that it is Treason but what is sufficient Evidence to make this good Upon a Commission held the 18th year of Ed. 4. in Kent before the Marquess of Dorset and others an Indictment was preferred against John Awater of High-Treason in the Form before-mentioned for Words which are entred in the Indictment Sub hac forma That he had been servant to the Earl of Warwick that though he were dead the Earl of Oxford was alive and should have the Government of part of that Country That Edward whom you call King of England was a false Man and had by Art and Subtilty slain the Earl of Warwick and the Duke of Clare his Brother without any cause who before had been both of them attainted of High-Treason My Lords This Indictment was Returned into the Kings-Bench in Trinity Term in the Eighteenth year of Edward the Fourth and in Easter-Term the Two and twentieth of Edward the Fourth he was outlawed by the stay of the outlawry so long as it seems the Judges had well advised before whether it were Treason or not At the same Session Thomas Heber was Indicted of Treason for these words That the last Parliament was the most simple and insufficient Parliament that ever had been in England That the King was gone to live in Kent because that for the present he had not the love of the Citizens of London nor should he have it for the future That if the Bishop of Bath and Wells were dead the Archbishop of Canterbury being Cardinal of England would immediately lose his head This Indictment was returned into the Kings-Bench in Trinity-Term in the 18th year of Edward the 4th afterwards there came a Privy-Seal to the Judge to respit the Proceedings which as it should seem was to the intent the Judges might advise of the Case for afterwards he is outlawed of High-Treason upon this Indictment These words are thought sufficient evidence to prove these several Indictments that they were spoken to withdraw the Peoples Affections from the King to excite them against him to cause Risings against him by the People in mortem destructionem of the King Your Lordships are pleased to consider That in all these Cases the Treason was for words only words by private Persons and in a more private manner but once spoken and no more only amongst the People to excite them against the King My Lords here are Words Counsels more then Words and Actions too not only to disaffect the people to the King but the King likewise towards the People not once but often not in private but in places most Publick not by a private person but by a Counsellor of State a Lord-Lieutenant a Lord-President a Lord-Deputy of Ireland 1. To His Majesty that the Parliament had denyed to supply Him a Slander upon all the Commons of England in their Affections to the King and Kingdom in refusing to yield timely supply for the necessities of the King and Kingdom 2. From thence that the King was loose and absolved from Rules of Government and was to do every thing that Power would admit My Lords more cannot be said they cannot be aggravated whatever I should say would be in Diminution 3. Thence you have an Army in Ireland you may employ to reduce this Kingdom To Counsel a King not to Love His People is very Unnatural it goes higher to hate them to Malice them in his heart the highest expressions of Malice to destroy them by War These Coals they were cast upon his Majesty they were blown they could not kindle in that Breast Thence my Lords having done the utmost to the King he goes to the people At York the Country being met together for Justice at the Open Assises upon the Bench he tells them speaking of the Justices of the Peace that they were all for Law nothing but Law but they should find that the Kings Little Finger should be heavier then the Loyns of the Law as they shall find My Lords Who speaks this to the People a Privy-Counsellor this must be either to traduce His Majesty to the People as spoken from him or from himself who was Lord-Lieutenant of the County and President intrusted with the Forces and Justice of those parts that he would Employ both this way Add my Lords to his Words there the Exercising of an Arbitrary and Vast Jurisdiction before he had so much as Instructions or Colour of Warrant Thence we carry him into Ireland there he Represented by his place the Sacred Person of his Majesty First There at Dublin the Principal City of that Kingdom whither the Subjects of that Country came for Justice in an Assembly of Peers and others of greatest Rank upon occasion of a Speech of the Recorder of that City touching their Franchises and Regal Rights he tells them That Ireland was a Conquered Nation and that the King might do with them what he pleased Secondly Not long after in the Parliament 10 Car. in the Chair of State in full Parliament again That they were a Conquer'd Nation and that they were to expect Laws as from a Conqueror before the King might do with them what he would now they were to expect it that he would put this Power of a Conqueror in Execution The Circumstances are very Considerable in full Parliament from himself in Cathedra to the Representative Body of the whole Kingdom The Occasion adds much when they desir'd the Benefit of the Laws and that their Causes and Suits
might be determined according to Law and not by himself at his Will and Pleasure upon Paper-Petitions Thirdly Upon like occasion of Pressing the Laws and Statutes that he would make an Act of Council-Board in that Kingdom as Binding as an Act of Parliament Fourthly He made his Words good by his Actions Assumed and Exercised a Boundless and Lawless Jurisdiction over the Lives Persons and Estates of His Majesties Subjects procured Judgment of Death against a Peer of that Realm Commanded another to be Hanged this was accordingly Executed both in times of High Peace without any Process or Colour of Law Fifthly By Force of a long time he Seized the Yarn and Flax of the Subjects to the Starving and undoing of many thousands besides the Tobacco business and many Monopolies and Unlawful Taxes forced a New Oath not to dispute His Majesties Royal Commands determined Mens Estates at his own Will and Pleasure upon Paper-Petitions to himself forced Obedience to these not only by Fines and Imprisonment but likewise by the Army sessed Soldiers upon the Refusers in an Hostile manner Sixthly Was an Incendiary of the War between the two Kingdoms of England and Scotland My Lords We shall leave it to your Lordships Judgments whether these words Counsels and Actions would not have been a sufficient Evidence to have Proved an Indictment drawn up against him as those before mentioned and many others are That they were spoken and done to the Intent to draw the King's heart from the People and the Affections of the People from the King that they might leave the King and afterwards rise up against him to the destruction of the King if so here is a Compassing of the King's Death within the Words of the Statute of 25th year of Edward the Third and that Warranted by many former Judgments My Lords I have now done with the Three Treasons within the Statute of the Twenty fifth of Edward the 3d. I proceed unto the 4th upon the Statute of the Eighteenth year of Henry the 6th Chapter the third in Ireland and I shall make bold to read the words to your Lordships That no Lord nor any other of what condition soever he be shall bring or lead Hoblers Kernes or Hooded Men nor any other People nor Horses to lye 〈◊〉 Horseback or on Foot upon the King's Subjects without their good wills and consent but upon their own Costs and without hurt doing to the Commons and if any so do he shall be adjudged as a Traytor 1. The Argument that hath been made concerning the Person that it extends not to the King and therefore not to him weighs nothing with your Lordships Rex non habet in Regno parem from the greatness of his Office to argue himself into the same inpossibility with His Sacred Majesty of being incapable of High-Treason it 's an Offence no Treason The words in the Statute No Lord nor any other of what condition soever he be include every Subject In Trinity Term in the Three and thirtieth year of Henry the Eighth in the King's-Bench Leonard Lord Gray having immediately before been Lord-Deputy of Ireland is Attainted of High-Treason and Judgment given against him for letting diverse Rebels out of the Castle of Dublin and discharging Irish Hostages and Pledges that had been given for securing the Peace for not punishing one that said That the King was an Heretick I have read the whole Record there 's not one thing laid to his Charge but was done by him as Lord Lieutenant He had the same Plea with my Lord of Strafford That these things were no adhering to the King's Enemies but were done for Reasons of State that he was not within those words of the Statute of the 25 of Edw. 3. himself being Lord-Lieutenant there Object It hath been said That the Soldiers sessed upon the Subjects by him were not such persons as are intended by that Statute Hoblers Kernes and Hooded Men those Rascally people Answ My Lords they were the names given to the Soldiery of those times Hoblers Horsemen the other the Foot But the words of the Statute go further Nor any other People neither Horse nor Foot His Lordship sessed upon them both Horse and Foot Object The Statute extends only to those that lead or bring Savil led them my Lord only gave the Warrant Answ To this I shall only say thus Plus peccat author quam Actor by the rule of the Law Agentes consentientes pari plectuntur poena if consent much more a Command to do it makes the Commander a Traytor If there be any Treason within this Statute my Lord of Strafford is Guilty It hath been therefore said That this Statute like Goliah's Sword hath been wrapt up in a Cloath and laid behind the door that it hath never been put in Execution My Lords if the Clerk of the Crown in Ireland hath certified your Lordships upon search of the Judgments of Attainders in Ireland he could not find that any man had been attainted upon this Statute your Lordships had had some ground to believe it Yet it 's only my Lord of Strafford's Affirmation besides your Lordships know that an Act of Parliament binds until it be repealed It hath been therefore said That this Statute is repealed by the Statute of the 8 Ed. 4. Cap. 1. and of the 10th of Hen. 7. Cap. 22. because by these two Statutes the English Statutes are brought into Ireland The Argument if I mistook it not stood thus That the Statute of the First of Henry the 4th the 10th Chap. saith That in no time to come Treason shall be adjudged otherwise then it was ordained by the Statute of the 25 E. 3. that the reason mentioned in the Eighteenth year of Henry the Sixth in the Irish Statute is not contained in the 25 Edw. 3. and therefore contrary to the Statute of the 1 Hen. 4. it must needs be void If this were Law then all the Statutes that made any new Treason after the First of Henry the 4th were void in the very Fabrick and at the time when they were made hence likewise it would follow that the Parliament now upon what occasion soever have no Power to make any thing Treason not declared to be so in the Statute 25 Edw. 3. This your Lordships easily see would make much for the Lord of Strafford's advantage but why the Law should be so your Lordships have only as yet heard an Affirmation of it no reason But some touch was given that the Statute of the Tenth year of Henry the Seventh in words makes all the Irish Statutes void which are contrary to the English The Answer to this is a denial that there are any such words in the Statute The Statute declares that the English Statutes shall be effectual and confirmed in Ireland and that all the Statutes made before-time to the contrary shall be revoked This repeals only the Irish Statutes of the Tenth year of Henry the Fourth and the Nine and twentieth
Irish Statute or Custom Object But it will be said that Writs of Error are only upon failure of justice in Ireland and that suits cannot originally be commenced here for things done in Ireland because the Kings Writ runs not in Ireland Answ This might be a good Plea in the Kings-Bench and inferior Courts at Westminster-Hall the question is Whether it be so in Parliament The Kings Writ runs not within the County-Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the Five Ports neither did it in Wales before the Union of Henry the 8th's time after the Laws of England were brought into Wales in King Edw. the 1. time Suits were not originally commenced at Westminster-Hall for things done in them yet this never excluded the Parliament-suits for Life Lands and Goods within these jurisdictions are determinable in Parliament as well as in any other parts of the Realm Ireland as appears by the Statute of the Thirtieth year of Henry 3. before-mentioned is united to the Crown of England By the Statute of the Eight and twentieth year of Hen. 6th in Ireland it is declared in these words That Ireland is the proper Dominion of England and united to the Crown of England which Crown of England is of it self and by it self wholly and intirely endowed with all Power and Authority sufficient to yield to the Subjects of the same full and plenary remedy in all Debates and Suits whatsoever By the Statute of the Three and twentieth year of Henry the 8th the first Chapter when the Kings of England first assumed the Title of King of Ireland it is there Enacted that Ireland still is to be held as a Crown annexed and united to the Crown of England So that by the same reason from this that the Kings Writs run not in Ireland it might as well be held that the Parliament cannot originally hold Plea of things done within the County-Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the Five Ports and Wales Ireland is a part of the Realm of England as appears by those Statutes as well as any of them This is made good by constant practice in all the Parliament Rolls from the first to the last there are Receivers and Tryers of Petitions appointed for Ireland for the Irish to come so far with their Petitions for Justice and the Parliament not to have cognizance when from time to time they had in the beginning of the Parliament appointed Receivers and Tryers of them is a thing not to be presumed An Appeal in Ireland brought by William Lord Vesey against John Fitz-Thomas for Treasonable words there spoken before any Judgment given in Case there was removed into the Parliament in England and there the Defendant acquitted as appears in the Parliament Pleas of the Two and twentieth year of Edw. 1. The Suits for Lands Offices and Goods originally begun here are many and if question grew upon matter in Fact a Jury usually ordered to try it and the Verdict returned into the Parliament as in the Case of one Ballyben in the Parliament of the Five and thirtieth year of Edw. the 1. If a doubt arose upon a matter tryable by Record a Writ went to the Officers in whose custody the Record remained to certifie the Record as was in the Case of Robert Bagott the same Parliament of the Five and thirtieth year of Edw. the 1. where the Writ went to the Treasurer and Barons of the Exchequer Sometimes they gave Judgment here in Parliament and commanded the Judges there in Ireland to do execution as in the great Case of Partition between the Copartners of the Earl-Marshal in the Parliament of the Three and thirtieth of Edward the 1. Where the Writ was awarded to the Treasurer of Ireland My Lords The Laws of Ireland were introduced by the Parliament of England as appears by Three Acts of the Parliament before cited It is of higher Jurisdiction Dare Leges then to judge by them The Parliaments of England do bind in Ireland if Ireland be particularly mentioned as is resolved in the Book-Case of the First year of Henry the Seventh Cook 's Seventh Report Calvin's Case and by the Judges in Trinity-Term in the Three and thirtieth year of Queen Elizabeth The Statute of the Eighth year of Edward the 4th the first Chapter in Ireland recites That it was doubted amongst the Judges whether all the English Statutes though not naming Ireland were in force there if named no doubt From King Henry the 3d his time downwards to the Eighth year of Queen Elizabeth by which Statute it is made Felony to carry Sheep from Ireland beyond Seas in almost all these Kings Reigns there be Statutes made concerning Ireland The exercising of the Legislative Power there over their Lives and Estates is higher than of the Judicial in question until the 29th year of Edward the 3d erroneous Judgments given in Ireland were determinable no where but in England no not in the Parliament of Ireland as it appears in the close Rolls in the Tower in the 29th year of Edward the 3d. Memb. 12. Power to examine and reverse erroneous Judgments in the Parliaments of Ireland is granted from hence Writs of Error lye in the Parliament here upon erroneous Judgments after that time given in the Parliaments of Ireland as appears in the Parliament Rolls of the Eighth year of Henry the 6th N o 70. in the Case of the Prior of Lenthan It is true the Case is not determined there for it 's the last thing that came into the Parliament and could not be determined for want of time but no exception at all is taken to the Jurisdiction The Acts of Parliament made in Ireland have been confirmed in the Parliaments of England as appears by the close Rolls in the Tower in the Two and fortieth year of Edward the 3d. Memb. 20. Dorso where the Parliament in Ireland for the preservation of the Countrey from Irish who had almost destroyed it made an Act That all the Land-Owners that were English should reside upon their Lands or else they were to be forfeited this was here confirmed In the Parliament of the Fourth year of Henry the 5th Chap. 6. Acts of Parliament in Ireland are confirmed and some priviledges of the Peers in the Parliaments there are regulated Power to repeal Irish Statutes Power to confirm them cannot be by the Parliament here if it hath not cognizance of their Parliaments unless it be said that the Parliament may do it knows not what Garnsey and Jersey are under the Kings subjection but are not parcels of the Crown of England but of the Duchy of Normandy they are not governed by the Laws of England as Ireland is and yet Parliaments in England have usually held Plea of and determined all Causes concerning Lands or Goods In the Parliament in the 33 Edward 1. there be Placita de Insula Jersey And so in the Parliament 14 Edw. 2. and so for Normandy and Gascoigne and always as long as any part of
Disloyalties I will omit and passing by as well particular Bishops and Prelates as Stephen Arch-Deacon of Norwich and others as also of them in general I will only relate one villanous passage of Trayterous Disloyalty whereof as good Authors deliver the Archbishops and Prelates were principal Abettors and Conspirers The King being at Oxford the Bishops and Barons came thither with armed Multitudes without number and forced him to yield that the Government should be swayed by 25 Selected Peers Paris Thus one of the greatest Soveraigns was but the Six and twentieth petty King in his own Dominions c. To him Succeeded his Son K. H. 3. who being at Clerkenwel in the House of the Prior of Saint John's was told by him no less sawcily than disloyally if I may not say traiterously That he should be no longer King than he did Right to the Prelates Whereto he answered What do you mean to deprive me of my Kingdom and afterward Murther me as you did my Father And indeed they performed little less as shall hereafter appear But now to take the particular passages in order In this King's Reign Stephen then Archbishop of Canterbury as we read was the Ring-Leader of Disorders both in Church and State and no better was Peter Bishop of Winchester But not to speak of them in particular but of them all in general and that in Parliament at Oxford saith Matth. Paris and Matth. Westm came the Seditious Earls and Barons with whom the Bishops Pontifices ne dicam Pharisei those were his words had taken Counsel against the King the Lord 's Anointed who sternly propounded to the King sundry traiteterous Articles to which they required his Assent but not to reckon all the Points you shall hear what the same Authors deliver of their Intent I will repeat the words as I find them These turbulent Nobles saith M. West had yet a further Plot than all this which was first hatched by the Disloyal Bishops which was That four and twenty Persons should there be Chosen to have the whole Administration of the King and State and yearly appointment of all great Officers reserving only to the King the highest Place at Meetings Primus Accubitus in Coenis and Salutations of Honour in Publick Places To which they forced him and his Son Prince Edward to Swear for fear as mine Author saith of Perpetual Imprisonment if not worse for the Traiterous Lords had by an Edict threatned Death to all that resisted And the Perfidious and wicked Archbishop and Bishops Cursing all that should rebel against it Which impudent and Traiterous Disloyalty saith Matth. Paris and Matth. Westm the Monks did detest asking With what fore-heads the Priests durst thus impair the Kingly Majesty expresly against their sworn Fidelity to him Here we see the Monks more Loyal and Honest than the Lord Bishops we have Cashiered the poor Monks and are we afraid of the Bishops Lordliness that they must continue and sit in Parliament to the Prejudice of the King and People And so we may observe That this * This which he accounts Treason in the Bishops was no more than this Man and his fellow-Members would have imposed upon the King in the 19 Propositions Traiterous Bishop did make this King as the former had done his Father meerly Titular From him I pass to his Son Edward the First In his Reign Boniface was Archbishop of Canterbury and Brother to the Queen what he and the rest of the Prelates did in prejudice to the Regal Authority and Weal Publick I will pass over the rather for that they declare themselves in his Son's Reign so wicked and disloyal that no Age can Parallel of which thus in brief Doth not Thomas de la More call the Bishop of Hereford Arch-Plotter of Treason Omnis mali Architectum and not to speak of his contriving the Death of the late Chancellor and other particular Villanies he is Branded together with Winchester then Chancellor and Norwich Lord Treasurer to occasion the dethroning of this Prince Nay after long Imprisonment his very Life taken away by Bishop Thorlton's Aenigmatical Verse though he after denied it Edwardum Occidere nolite timere bonum est But this Adam de Orleton alias Torleton and his fellow Bishops in this King's Reign I may not slightly pass over Therefore I desire we may take a further view of them First of this Adam Bishop of Hereford we find that he was stript of all his Temporalties for supporting the Mortimers in the Barons Quarrel He being saith Thomas de la More a Man of most subtil Wit and in all wordly Policies profound daring to do great Things and Factious withal who made against King Edward the Second a great secret Party To which Henry Burwash Bishop of Lincoln for like Causes deprived of his Temporalties joyned himself as also Ely and others Walter Stapleton Bishop of Exeter a Turn-Coat left the Queen and came to England to inform the King of his Queens too great familiarity with Mortimer which afterward cost him his Head Perhaps some now as Thomas de la More will say he was therein a good Man yet I will take leave to think not do I fear to speak it This was no part of Episcopal Function But I will pass him by not concluding him either good or bad every Man may think as he pleaseth I will declare the Traiterous and Disloyal Actions of the other Bishop formerly mentioned This Bishop of Hereford whom I find called the Queens bosom Councellor Preaching at Oxford took for the Text My Head my Head aketh 2 Kings 4.19 concluding more like a Butcher than a Divine that an Aking and Sick Head of a Kingdom was of necessity to be taken off and not to be tampered with by any other Physick whereby it is probable that he was the Author of that Aenigmatical Verse formerly recited Edwardum occidere c. And well may we believe it for we find that he caused Roger Baldock Bishop of Norwich the late Lord Chancellor to die miserably in Newgate Not much better were Ely Lincoln Winchester and other Bishops that adhered to the Queen Mortimer and others of her part Nor can I commend those Bishops that were for the King and the Spencers The Archbishop of Canterbury and his Suffragans decreeing the Revocation of those Pestilent Peers the Judgment given against them judged as Erronious Thus these Lord Bishops as all in a manner both before and after instead of Feeding the Flock of Christ only Plotted dismal Wars Death and Destruction of Christians I might tell you how in this King's Reign as in others * Certainly this was made a President for such were the Pretences and Practises of this Man and his Associates they perswaded the Lords and Peers of the Realm that they had Power and Right not only to reform the King's House and Council and to place and displace all great Officers at their Pleasure but even a joynt Interest in
Governour under Sir Thomas Jermyn of the Isle of Jersey having given an Account of the state of the Isle was Ordered to repair to his Charge there and if Mr. Percy Mr. Jermyn c. were there to apprehend them and cause them to be safely conducted to the House of Lords A Conference was this day appointed to be had with the Lords Fri day May 7. Heads of a Conference about the present dangers of Portsmouth and the French to acquaint them that divers persons who were suspected to have a hand in the Conspiracy and that in order to the discovery of it should have been Examined were gone that new Informations were brought to the Commons of several French Forces lay in Piccardy to be Transported into England probably into Portsmouth and to desire their Lordships to joyn with this House for the Discovery of these Practices and that some Forces may be drawn out of Wiltshire and Barkshire for securing of Portsmouth Sir Walter Erle was also ordered to go down into Dorsetshire to take care of the preservation and safety of that County Sir Hugh Cholmley to go to the Lords to desire them to move his Majesty that the Earl of Essex in this time of danger may be made Lord Lieutenant of Yorkshire A Proclamation was drawn to bring in Mr. Percy c. WHereas Henry Percy Esq Henry Jermyn Esq Proclamation to bring in Mr. Percy Sir John Suckling Knight William Davenant and Captain Billingsly being by order of the Lords in Parliament to be Examined concerning designs of great danger to the State and mischievous ways to prevent the happy Success and Conclusion of this Parliament have so absented and withdrawn themselves as they cannot be Examined His Majesty by the advice of the said Lords in Parliament doth strictly charge the said Henry Percy Esq Henry Jermyn Esq Sir John Suckling William Davenant and Captain Billingsly to appear before the said Parliament at Westminster within Ten days after the Date hereof upon pain to undergo such forfeitures and punishments as the said Lords shall order and inflict upon them The Earl of Bristol Reported to the Lords House Earl of Bristols Report about disbanding the Irish Army May 7. That his Majesty had taken a resolution for the disbanding of the new Irish Army to that purpose an estimate hath been given in to the King of the Charges that 10000 l. will now do it Whereupon there is order taken for the speedy Raising and Returning of Moneys to that intent And Sir Adam Loftus Vice-Treasurer of Ireland hath engaged himself to repay in September next those Monies shall be disbursed by the Earl of Cork and others in the interim for that purpose That likewise there is care taken how to dispose and imploy the said Soldiers that they may not be troublesome to that Country to that purpose there are Eight Colonels and Captains Nominated who will take off these Men and Transport them to Forreign Parts which his Majesty will give way unto if it be to a Prince that he is in Amity with provided that these Commanders do give the King and Parliament an Account both of their Persons and their Imployers before they have the Command of the Soldiers Mr. White Chair-man of the Committee for Scandalous Ministers Saturday May 8. Reports the matter of Complaint exhibited against Edward Finch Vicar of Christ-Church London Upon which these Votes passed Resolved c. Votes about Mr. Finch Vicar of Christ-Church London That the said Edward Finch is guilty of practising Innovations in the Church Non-Residency foul Extortion neglect of the Duty of his Function and prophaning the Sacrament a Man of prophane Life scandalous in his Doctrine and Conversation and a hinderer of preaching Resolved c. That the said Edward Finch is a man unfit to hold any Benefice or Promotion in the Church Mr. White is Ordered to transmit this Case to the Lords that the Parish may be eased of him Thus early did they begin to strike at Root and Branch of Episcopacy for all those who were obedient to their Governours in the Church or thought God Almighty ought to have bodily Worship and Adoration in those places where he has put his Name and made them Houses of Prayer all those who thought kneeling at the Receiving the Holy Sacrament necessary or any other decent Postures Gestures or Vestments that might outwardly signifie inward Veneration and Homage Lawful and Expedient were upon the slightest Accusations voted Guilty of Innovation Prophaneness and unworthy of any Promotion in the Church And as Mr. Symmons Vindicat of King Charles p. 73. Symmons in his Vindication of King Charles who was an Eye-witness of this terrible Persecution informs us All Accusations against any though the best Ministers by the most malicious and lewdest persons were invited by Ordinance incouraged and admitted of without any proof at all And it can be no wonder that the Orthodox Clergy suffered so deeply both in their Reputation and Estates when not only their Accusers which mostly were the several Sectaries in their Parishes or such others as went about to defraud them of their just Dues were their most inveterate Enemies but their Judges too were frequently both Parties in promoting and managing those Accusations and by their open favouring their Accusers shewed the partiality of Enemies The Faction saw the absolute necessity of getting the power of the Sword into their hands both to justifie what they had already done and to support them in what they intended by their pretended Reformation which was totally to abolish Episcopacy in the Church and to clip the Wings of Prerogative if not wholly to take away the Government of Monarchy it self Now to the accomplishment of this design upon the Militia Navy Forts Magazines and Strength of the Nation all Arts imaginable were used to gain the People the great pretences were Liberty Property and Religion for as Mr. Hambden one of the principal Grandees of the Faction told a private friend without that they could not draw the People to assist them The great Rubb in their way to the gaining of the People they knew would be the Loyal and Orthodox Bishops and Clergy these therefore were to be removed that so Creatures of their own might be introduced into Corporations and especially into the City of London who might from the Pulpit preach the Oracles of Sedition and Rebellion delude the People animate and incourage them to assist the Parliament in this Glorious Reformation by putting the power of the Sword into their hands That they might effect this they did not only obtrude Lecturers by order of the House upon most Churches of Note in London and elsewhere but by their means and the restless malice of the Sectaries were perpetually Petitioning and Articling against the Episcopal Clergy And to encourage this Trade of Parson-hunting as the factious Sectaries called it and which did extreamly tie them to the Parliament a pretended Order of the
aforesaid did on the deliver his Opinion in the Exchequer Chamber against John Hampden Esquire in the Case of Ship-Money that he the said John Hampden upon the matter and substance of the Case was chargeable with the Money then in Question A Copy of which proceeding and judgment the Commons of this present Parliament have delivered to your Lordships 7. That he the said Sir Robert Berkley then being one of the Justices of the Court of Kings-Bench and one of the Justices of Assize for the County of York did at the Assizes held at York in Lent 1636. deliver his charge to the Grand-Jury that it was a lawful and inseparable Flower of the Crown for the King to command not only the Maritime Counties but also those that were In-land to find Ships for the defence of the Kingdom And then likewise falsely and maliciously affirmed that it was not his single judgment but the judgment of all his Brethren witnessed by their subscriptions And then also said that there was a rumour that some of his Brethren that had subscribed were of a contrary Judgment but it was a base and unworthy thing for any to give his Hand contrary to his Heart and then wished for his own part that his Hand might rot from his Arm that was guilty of any such Crime when as he knew that Master Justice Hutton and Master Justice Crook who had subscribed were of a contrary Opinion and was present when they were perswaded to subscribe and did subscribe for Conformity only because the major Number of the Judges had subscribed And he the said Sir Robert Berkley then also said that in some Cases the Judges were above an Act of Parliament which said false malicious Words were uttered as aforesaid with intent and purpose to countenance and maintain the said unjust Opinions and to terrifie His Majesties Subjects that should refuse to pay Ship-Money or seek any remedy by Law against the said unjust and illegal Taxation 8. That whereas Richard Chambers Merchant having commenced a Suite for Trespass and false imprisonment against Sir Edward Bromfield Knight for imprisoning him the said Chambers for refusing to pay Ship-Money in the time that the said Sir Edward Bromfield was Lord Mayor of the City of London in which Suite the said Sir Edward Bromfield did make a special Justification The said Sir Robert Berkley then being one of the Justices of the Court of Kings-Bench in Trinity Term last then sitting on the Bench in the said Court upon debate of the said Case between the said Chambers and Sir Edward Bromfield said openly in the Court that there was a Rule of Law and a Rule of Government And that many things which might not be done by the Rule of Law might be done by the Rule of Government And would not suffer the Point of Legality of Ship-Money to be argued by Chambers his Councel all which Opinions Declarations Words and Speeches contained in the Third Fourth Fifth Sixth Seventh and Eighth Articles are destructive to the Fundamental Laws of this Realm the Subjects right of Property and contrary to former Resolutions in Parliament and to the Petition of Right which Resolution in Parliament and Petition of Right were well known to him and Resolved and Enacted when he was the King's Serjeant at law and attendant in the Lords House of Parliament 9. That he the said Sir Robert Berkley then being one of the Judges of the Court of King's-Bench and being in Commission of the Peace and duly sworn to execute the Office of a Justice of Peace in the County of Hertford on or about the seventh of January 1638. at which time the General Sessions of the Peace for the said County were there holden The said Sir Robert Berkley then and there sitting on the Bench did revile and threaten the Grand-Jury returned to serve at the said Sessions for presenting the removal of the Communion Table in All-Saints Church in Hertford aforesaid out of the Place where it anciently and usually stood and setting it Alter-ways against the Laws of this Realm in that Case made and provided as an Innovation in Matters concerning the Church the said Grand-Jury having delivered to them in Charge at the said Sessions by Master Serjeant Atkins a Justice of the Peace of the said County of Hertford that by the Oath they had taken they were bound to present all Innovations concerning Church Matters And he the said Sir Robert Berkley compelled the Fore-Man of the Jury to tell him who gave him any such Information and thereby knowing it to be one Henry Brown one of the said Grand-Jury he asked the said Brown how he durst meddle with Church Matters who affirming that in the said Charge from Master Serjeant Atkins the said Jury was charged to do he the said Sir Robert Berkley told the said Brown he should therefore find Sureties for his good Behaviour and that he the said Sir Robert Berkley would set a great Fine on his Head to make him an Example to others and thereupon the said Brown offered sufficient Bail but he the said Sir Robert Berkley being incensed against him refused the said Bail and committed the said Brown to Prison where he lay in Irons till the next Morning and used to the said Brown and the rest of the Jurors many other reviling and terrifying Speeches And said he knew no Law for the said Presentment and told the said Brown that he had sinned in the said Presentment And he compelled the said Grand-Jurors to say they were sorry for that they had done in that Presentment and did bid them to trample the said Presentment under their Feet and caused Brown to tear the said Presentment in his sight And he the said Sir Robert Berkley when as John Houland and Ralph Pemberton late Mayor of Saint Albons came to desire his Opinion on several Indictments against John Brown Parson of Saint Albons and Anthony Smith Vicar of Saint Peters in Saint Albons at the Quarter Sessions held at the said Town of Saint Albons on the four and twentieth of June 1639. for the removal of the Communion Table out of the usual Place and not Administring the Sacrament according to Law in that Case provided He the said Sir Robert Berkley then told them that such an Indictment was before him at Hertford and that he quashed the same and imprisoned the Promoters by which threatning and reviling Speeches unjust Actions and Declarations he so terrified the Jurors in those Parts that they durst not present any Innovations in the Church Matters to their great Grief and Trouble of their Consciences And whereas several Indictments were preferred against Matthew Brook Parson of Yarmouth by John Ingram and John Carter for refusing several times to Administer the Sacrament of the Lords-Supper to them without any lawful Cause at the Assizes held at Norwich in 1633. He the said Sir Robert Berkley then being one of the Judges of the Assize proceeded then to the Tryal on the said
from the King in haec verba His Majesty hath commanded Me to tell you Munday July 19 Message from the King about a Priest of the Venetian Ambassadors that upon a Complaint of the Venetian Ambassador for the imprisoning of a Priest being His Majesties Subject he thinks fit that these two Things be done First That all Ambassadors should have it declared to them in His Majesties Name that they retain no Priests Natives of any of His Majesties Dominions Secondly That the Priest belonging to the Venetian Ambassador be presently sent out of the Kingdom and not to return again but at his Peril This Favour His Majesty thinks fit to shew the Venetian Ambassador seeing the particular Person as His Majesty is informed hath been his Servant these three Years and was brought over with him when he came the Ambassador being ignorant of the Laws of the Kingdom Whereupon it was Ordered That the Committee of Ten inform themselves of the truth of the Ambassadors Complaint and the State of the Case Bill about the Marches of Wales A Message was brought from the Commons by Sir Robert Harlow who also brought up a Bill which had passed that House for freeing five Counties from the Jurisdiction of the Marches of Wales Mr. Bellasis also brought up another Bill Bill for Billet Money c. which had passed the House of Commons Entituled an Act for securing of such Monies as are or shall be due to the Inhabitants of the County of York and the other Counties adjoyning wherein His Majesties Army is or hath been Billetted for the Billet of the Soldiers of the said Army as also to certain Officers of the said Army who do forbear part of their Pay according to an Order in that behalf in the Commons House of Parliament this present Session for such Use of their parts as they shall forbear Five new Heads added to the Ten former Propositions July 20. 1641. The Earl of Bristol Reports from the Committee of both Houses for the Ten Heads That the House of Commons have presented to their Lordships five Propositions which they desire may be added to the other Ten Heads and that their Lordships after Consideration of them would joyn with them to move His Majesty therein the Heads were these viz. I. The House of Commons doth declare That no Forreign Ambassador what soever ought to shelter or harbor any Popish Priests or Jesuits that are Natives of the Kings Dominions under pretence of being their Servants or otherwise and that the select Committee of their House for the Ten Propositions shall present this Declaration to the Committee of this House to the end that their Lordships may joyn with them to Petition His Majesty that this may accordingly be observed II. That Care may be taken concerning several Commissions granted for the Levying of Men in Ireland to the number of Fourteen Thousand Men as is informed and all of them Papists to the end to be transported as is conceived to Princes not well affected to this Kingdom and that Popish Commanders may not have such Power by Commissions as is of late granted to them III. Also that no Papist hereafter may have the keeping of any Castle Fort Chace Forrest Park or Walk within England and Wales and that such as are in Possession may be outed according to Law IV. That the King be moved to let the House of Commons have such Gun-powder out of His Majesties Stores as may be spared and they will pay after the rate of ten Pence per Pound for it as soon as they can get Monies V. And lastly To move His Majesty that the Arms which have been taken from the several Counties may be restored to them and if His Majesty can spare any Arms out of His Store they will buy them Hereupon the Lords taking these five Propositions into Consideration Ordered To joyn with the House of Commons humbly to move His Majesty that he would please to Assent to them To this purpose Earl of Essex Earl of Warwick Earl of Cambridge Earl of Bristol Viscount Say and Seal were appointed to attend His Majesty for His Answer After which William Smyter William Shepheard Toby Gratwick Rioters at St. Olaves released George Ewer Hugh Barcok Thomas Low George Pitcher and Edward Symonds upon their Humble Petition and Acknowledgment of their Misdemeanors in the Tumult at St. Olaves and St. Saviors were released from their Imprisonment A Conference having been had-with the Lords about the French Ambassadors Tuesday July 20. French Ambassador desires to have the Disbanded English Army for his Masters Service desire to have some of the disbanded Troops Sir John Culpeper Reports That the French Ambassador had waited upon His Majesty to desire that upon disbanding of the English Army he might have liberty to carry such Men over for his Masters Service as he could agree with and that His Majesty had told him that he would give no Answer till he had acquainted the Parliament with it Whereupon it was Ordered That the House should consider of it on Thursday Morning The engrossed Articles against the Bishop of Ely were this Day carried up to the Lords by Sir Thomas Widdrington who at the reading of them made this following Oration to blacken the Lawn Sleeves which was then the greatest Perfection of Eloquence and of Religion to be highly uncharitable My Lords I am commanded by the Knights Citizens and Burgesses now Assembled for the Commons in Parliament to deliver to your Lordships these Articles against the Bishops of Ely May it please your Lordships first to hear them read MY Lords These Articles are dipped in those Colours Sir Thomas Widdrington's Speech at the reading of the Articles against the Bishop of Ely 20 1641. in which this Bishop rendred himself to the Diocess of Norwich they need no Gloss nor Varnish In them you may behold the spirit and disposition of this Bishop hear the groans and cryes of the People see a Shepherd scattering I had almost said devouring his own Flock He that was desired to paint Hercules thought he had done enough when he had made a resemblance of the Lyons Skin which he was wont to carry about him as a Trophy of his Honor. I will say that in these you will not find a resemblance of the Lyons Skin I am sure you will find the resemblance of the Skins that is to say the tattered and ruin'd Fortunes of Poor Innocent Lambs who have extreamly suffered by the violence of this Bishop In the year 1635 this man was created Bishop of Norwich he is no sooner there but he marcheth furiously In the Creation of the World Light was one of the first productions the first visible action of this Bishop after his Creation into the See was to put out many burning and shining Lights to Suspend divers Able Learned and Conscientious Ministers he that should have been the golden Snuffer of these Lights became the Extinguisher and
first acquainted this House therewith And they further desired this House to consider whether this House would stand to the Charge they have already transmitted The Earl of Bristol Reports certain Propositions or Memorials which were delivered to the Lords Commissioners from the Commissioners of Scotland Memorials from the Scottish Commissioners and Answers to them as are fit to be perfected upon the Treaty as also the Lords Commissioners Answers to them Prop. 1. I. THe Exemplification of the Treaty and of the Act for Securing the Remainder of the Brotherly Assistance to be writ in Secretary Answer To this it was Answered That it is already Ordered as is desired Prop. 2. II. That a Commission may be granted from the Parliament for Examination of Witnesses in the Process of Incendiaries conform to the Paper given to the Earl of Bristol Answer The Second is referred to the Lord Mandevil's Care Prop. 3. III. A Licence to the Army to March through Berwick because the Waters are out that they cannot march over the River of Tweed and so cannot appoint a certain day for the passing over Answer This is to be propounded to the Houses of Parliament Prop. 4. IV. To get an Order for delivery of 42000 l. part of the 80000 l. and that the remainder of the 80000 l. detained for payment of what is due to the Northern Counties may be secured by Order of the Parliament so as it may Release the Scots at the Counties hands if so much shall be found justly owing unto them by those who are entrusted on both sides with the Accounts and if there be not found so much justly owing to the Counties that the overplus be paid to the Scots and that they may have Acquittances from the Counties Ans wer This is or shall be presently performed by the Earl of Warwick Prop. 5. V. That the time for the removing the Scottish Army is to begin after the Receipt of the Arrears and Payment of the 80000 l. in manner aforesaid and that it is conceived the same will be paid unto them before the 15 day of August and that they have 5. dayes thereafter to draw the Army together in one Body at a Rendevouz and making themselves ready with all their Necessaries to march and there is thereafter five dayes allowed them to march to Scotland which will be the 26th of August Instant during which space the Maintenance of the Army of 850 l. per diem for Relief of the Northern Counties is to be allowed and paid before the Army March Answer The dayes in particular are to be set down by the Parliament Prop. 6. VI. To condescend that the Commission for Conservation of the Peace and the Commission for the Treaty concerning Trade and Intercourse betwixt the Two Kingdoms do go on all the remanent Articles to be referred to that Treaty Answer Order shall be given accordingly and that the Lord Mandeville will take care Prop. 7. VII To think upon the Warrant and manner of recalling the Declarations and Proclamations made against His Majesties Subjects of Scotland and the manner and time of the public Thanksgiving for the happy Peace and Union of the Kingdoms Answer It shall be moved to the Parliament that Order may be taken accordingly but the Scots to be over the Tweed first Prop. 8. VIII That Order be given to the Northern-Counties for carrying their Artillery Ammunition and Baggage to the River of Tweed Answer It may be recommended to the Gentlemen of those Counties to Write their Letters for the performance of what is desired After which the House of Lords agreed to all these Propositions and Answers Then a Letter from the Speaker of the House of Lords to the Lord General was read as follows May it please your Excellency YOur Excellency hath lately received Order from the House of Lords Assembled in Parliament for the speedy Disbanding of the Horse of His Majesties Army which they hope is in good forwardness The Letter from the Lords to the Lord General Aug. 11. 1641. His Majesty hath now given His Royal Assent to the Acts for the conclusion of the Treaty and the securing the remaining part of the Brotherly Assistance and all the Arrears due to the Scottish Army are upon the way to New-Castle I am therefore commanded by the House of Lords to convey to your Excellency their earnest desires that you will with all possible speed Disband all the Regiments of Foot and the Train of Artillery of His Majesties Army His Majesty hath been pleased Graciously to declare his Royal Assent therein and your Excellency will herewith receive Order for the doing thereof I shall only add that the Scots Commissioners are engaged to the Parliament that immediately upon the Receipt of those Arrears their Army shall march away to Scotland for which their General hath received a Command from the Parliament of Scotland This House being very confident of your Lordships care in the present business do promise to themselves a speedy and a happy conclusion thereof for which your Excellency may justly expect their Hearty thanks and that it will be an acceptible Service to His Majesty as may appear by His Majesties Message to this House a Coppy whereof you will receive herewith which as by the Command of this House is sent by 11 Aug. 1641. Your Excellency's humble Servant c. Serjeant Whitfield and Sir Edward Leech being sent this day by the Lords to desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses touching the Final Conclusion with the Scots Thursday August 12. the Earl of Bristol reported the Heads of the Conference which he was Ordered to deliver to the House of Commons 1. To let the House of Commons know Heads of a Conference for a Final Conclusion with the Scots That the 7th of September next is thought to be a fit day for Publick Thanksgiving for both Kingdoms for the Conclusion of the Pacification 2. To know from the House of Commons What dayes are to be allowed for the Marching away of the Scots that the day of their passing over Tweed may be certain they being to be paid until the 25th of August 3. To let the House of Commons know That the Exemplifications of the Acts concerning the Treaty and Publique Faith are both passed under the Great Seal and delivered 4. To desire them to joyn with this House That the Scots may be moved for the delivering of the Arms and Cannons at Newcastle to his Majesties Officers 5. To let them know That the Scots desire that there may be a Warrant granted for the Transporting of 30000 l. in Money by Sea 6. To know of them what Course is to be taken for the perfecting the Treaty in Scotland 7. To let them know That the Scots desire to pass with their Army by Berwick Bridge and in such sort as shall be for the Safety of that Town as shall be agreed upon by their General and the Governor of Berwick 8.
to give your Lordship many thanks not only for your great care daily exprest of the Army but for your no less vigilancy over the present distracted Estate of this Kingdom particularly for the account given by your Excellency to my Lord Chamberlain of the doubts conceived by your Lordship concerning it and we hope that if the causes of those doubts shall increase that your Excellency will likewise increase both your Vigilancy to discover and your Industry to inform us of all such proceedings as may concern us to be made acquainted with for the Publick Good I am likewise to acquaint your Excellency That to prevent all inconveniencies and dangers that may happen of which we find your Lordship to have already so quick and just a Sence both Houses have joyned to secure Hull as a place of great Importance especially by reason of the Magazine and upon which ill affected Persons may most readily have some design and in pursuance of that Resolution your Lordship will receive Orders from the House of Commons and I am to deliver your Lordship those of the House of Peers That your Lordship command the Major of Hull in the name of both Houses to use all possible care to secure the Town committed to his charge and not to suffer the Arms and Amunition in that Magazine to be disposed of without the Orders of both Houses I shall trouble your Lordship no further but only to desire your Excellency to continue your speed of Disbanding of the Army in the method already Ordered which till it be effected as we are confident it will be so soon as your Lordship can bring it to pass I am commanded to make a part of every Letter which I shall direct to your Excellency Your Excellencies Humble Servant Edward Littleton The time for the 13 Bishops to put in their Answer The Lords fell upon the Debate at what time the Bishops should put in their Answer and iâ— was Ordered That the Lords the Bishops that are Impeached by the House of Commons are to make their Answers thereunto on Thursday come Month being the 16th day of September nexi It was this day Ordered by the Commons 3000 l. Ordered for the Garrison of Portsmouth That Three Thousand Pound shall be paid by the Sheriff of Hampshire out of the Poll-Money to Colonel Goring for the Garrison of Portsmouth The Committee then reported the Case about the Pattent for Soap Monoply of Soap voted Illegal upon which it was Resolved c. That the Patent Indenture Decree and Process in the Star-Chamber about Soap-Boilers is Illegal The Commons having desired a Conference with the Lords Wednesday August 18. Report about putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence about putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence Mr. Hollis Reports that Conference The Lord Chamberlain told us his Majesty before his going had declared That he would appoint a General for the South Side of Trent and that his Majesty was pleased to nominate him and that since his Majesties going a Commission had been delivered unto him under the Great Seal He apprehended this too great a Burden and knew not what Exception had been taken to the Proceedings of the Lord Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants That by this Commission in case of Tumults and Commotions he is to raise Forces and Men for the securing the Person of the Queen the Prince and the rest of the Royal Family He offered these Difficulties That when these Forces were raised he knew not how to levy Money for the Payment of them and besides he is to take a Care if there were an Invasion from Abroad for which he was ill prepared having no Intelligence or Correspondency from Ambassadors Abroad or from the Fleet and so concluded with a desire of Advice from this House Orders concerning the Bishops to prepare for their Answer In order to their Preparation for giving in their Answer It was this day Ordered by the House of Lords That the Bishop of Rochester with one other of the Bishops may have free Access twice unto the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury to speak with him concerning their Answer to the Impeachment brought up against them from the House of Commons for making a Book of Canons c. and they are to speak with the said Archbishop of Canterbury about no other Business It was also Ordered That the Lords the Bishops may Access unto and have Copies of all such Acts and Records as are in any of his Majesties Courts of Justice and Publick Offices which may make for their Defence or Answers to the Impeachments brought against them from the House of Commons Upon what Ground Information or Suspicion it does not appear but it was this day Ordered That Mr. Justice Heyward shall have Power by virtue of this Order Order to search under the Parliament Houses to search before the next Meeting of Parliament at Roseby's House the Tavern and such other Houses and Vaults or Cellars as are under the Vpper House of Parliament that there be no Powder Arms or any other Ammunition as may endanger the Safety of the Houses of Parliament and hereof Account is to be given to this House The Lord Viscount Say and Seal reported the Conferences Yesterday with the House of Commons touching disarming Popish Recusants THat because divers former directions have been frustrated The Result of the Conserence about Disarming Recusants Aug. 18 1641. the House of Commons holds it necessary to add some extraordinary courses at this time for the disarming of Papists there being more then extraordinary cause of danger for effecting whereof It is propounded and desired That Commissioners or Committees may be forthwith sent into the Counties of most danger as Yorkshire Lancashire Cheshire Staffordshire Hampshire and Sussex Authorized by Ordinances of Parliament to see the Papists disarmed in those places That these Committees may examin where the defect hath been that former Orders have not been observed especially in Case of such Papists as are in Power and that they may have direction to give the Oath of Allegiance to such as are justly suspected of Popery That the Commons have informed that divers Recusants have been kept from Conviction by Priviledg of Parliament allowed in the Upper House whereupon it was delivered as the clear Opinion of the House of Commons That no Priviledg of Parliament is to be allowed in this Case of Conviction or Disarming of Recusants for which these Reasons are given 1 That no Priviledg is allowable in Case of the Peace betwixt Private Men much more in Case of the Peace of the Kingdom 2 That Priviledg cannot be Pleaded against an Indictment for any thing done out of Parliament because all Indictments are contra pacem Domini Regis 3 Priviledg of Parliament is granted in regard of the Service of the Common-wealth and is not to be used to the danger of the Common-wealth 4 That all Priviledg of Parliament is in the power
of Parliament and is a restraint to the proceedings of other inferior Courts but is no restraint to the proceedings of Parliament and therefore seeing it may without in justice be denied this being the Case of the Common-wealth they conceive it ought not to be granted Whereupon it is desired that their Lordships will declare that all Priviledges shall be void in case of the Conviction or Disarming of Recusants and that all their Certioraris out of the King's Bench to hinder the Conviction of Recusants may be Superseeded That this direction may extend to Lords as well as to other Common Persons there being more cause of fear from them in regard of their Power and Greatness then from others That if any Popish Recusant of Quality shall be found not to be Convicted that such Pesons be commanded forthwith to attend the Parliament The Opinion of the House of Commons is That Popish Recusants as this Case is may be Disarmed by the Common-Law being Persons justly to be suspected for some dangerous design and that where there is cause of fear this may be extended to such Persons as have Wives Recusants or Children or any but considerable number of Servants as may give good Cause of Suspitions That in ordinary Cases if there be a Combination to do any mischief to commit a Riot Rob a House or hurt any private Person the Justices of the Peace may take security to prevent such damages much more in the Case where the danger of the Common-wealth is to be prevented Divers Presidents were remembred for the Disarming of Lords of Parliament the Marquess of Winchester Lord Peter Lord Vaux Lord Arundel of Wardour and divers others Then after some Consideration of this Conference It is Ordered That this House doth joyn with the House of Commons to send Commissioners to Disarm Recusants according to Law for the other part of it their Lordships will take it into consideration Sir William Armyn brings this Answer to the Message to the Lords The Lords Answer about the Commissioners for Scotland concerning the Commissioners designed for Scotland That the Lords are of Opinion that the Commission and Instructions be presently prepared together with a Petition to his Majesty and that this be sent away with all Speed and in the mean time the Commissioners may be going their Journey and those Instructions and Commission may meet them on the Way if this House thinks fit Mr. Pym reports the Petition and Instructions to the Commissioners for Scotland To the King 's Most Excellent Majesty The Humble Petition of your Majesties Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons now Assembled in Parliament Most Gracious Sovereign YOur Majesties Absence at this time the Parliament sitting The Petition to the King concerning the Commissioners for Scotland doth not only afflict us with much Grief but hinders us in making such Provision for the Public Necessities and Dangers of the Kingdom as we desired to do for the Safety whereof We shall be often forced to resort to your Majesties Wisdom and Goodness Whereupon both Houses of Parliament have agreed to send William Earl of Bedford Edward Lord Howard Nathaniel Fiennes Esquire Sir William Armyn Baronet Sir Philip Stapleton Knight and John Hambden Esquire to attend your Majesty to convey to us your Majesties Commands and Directions and to present to your Majesty our Humble Petitions and Desires and likewise to see the Expediting of such Acts in the Parliament of Scotland and other Affairs as by the late Treaty or otherwise concern the Kingdom Wherefore our most Humble Suit to your Majesty is That you will be graciously pleased to admit the said William Earl of Bedford Edward Lord Howard Nathaniel Fiennes Sir William Armyn Sir Philip Stapleton and John Hambden Esquire to be your Majesties Commissioners for the dispatch of the Affairs aforementioned according to such Instructions as they have now received or shall from time to time receive from both Houses of Parliament with your Majesties Consent and Approbation The Instructions for the said Commissioners follow I. YOV shall take care that all those Acts that concern both Kingdoms of England and Scotland The Instructions for the Commissioners and are already agreed upon in the Treaty between the Commissioners of both Nations and which are Confirmed by an Act of Parliament passed in this present Session shall likewise be confirmed and ratified in the Parliament in Scotland and You shall take an authentique Exemplification thereof to bring home with you II. You are to take Care that the Commissions agreed upon in the same Treaty concerning the Trade of both Kingdoms and concerning the Publique Peace and Correspondency betwixt the Two Nations may be settled and dispatched accordingly III. You are to demand Satisfaction of such Debts as shall remain due to the Northern Counties of England for any Money or Provision taken up by the Scottish Army IV. You shall be Careful to clear the Proceedings of the Parliament of England towards the Scots if you find any false Reports or Imputations cast on those Proceedings by persons ill-affected to the Peace of both Kingdoms V. You shall upon all fit Occasions assure the Parliament of Scotland of the good Affections of his Majesties Subjects of the Parliament of England and all things which shall concern the Service of his Majesty and the Peace and Prosperity of both Nations VI. You shall be Careful to certify the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament from time to time of all Proceedings therein and of all Occurrences which shall concern the good of this Kingdom VII You shall put in Execution such further Instructions as you shall receive from the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament with his Majesties Approbation and Consent signified under his Royal Hand It was Ordered Mr. Nichols to go with the Petition c. 1000 l. advanced for the Charges of the Commissioners That Mr. Anthony Nichols a Member of this House shall go to his Majesty from this House with the Petition and Instructions It was likewise Ordered That a Thousand pounds shall be advanced by Sir Robert Pye Mr. Wheeler and the Treasurers of Money for Westminster for the Commissioners Charges and their Acquittance or any two of them to be a Discharge Sir Philip Stapleton and Mr. Hollis were also Ordered to attend Her Majesty Sir Ph. Stapleton and Mr. Hollis to attend the Q. before they go for Scotland to know what Commands her Majesty will lay upon the Members of this House that are to go to His Majesty in Scotland The Lord General as indeed any person moderately skilled in Martial Affairs would have done made some difficulty it seems of letting so powerful an Army though of our Dear Brethren of Scotland March through so Important a Pass as the Town of Barwick and upon this wrote to the Parliament concerning it Whereupon the Lord Keeper Littleton returned this Answer My Lord I Have received your Letter dated the 16th of this
present Month Letter to the Lord General for the Scots to March over Barwick Bridge concerning the Passage of the Scots over Barwick Bridge and have acquainted the Lords with the same they have Commanded me to signifie unto your Lordship That since it is a Resolution taken by both Houses and consented to by them they see no Cause to alter it or to give an Occasion to the Scots to hinder their March as is agreed and concluded on by the Treaty here and therefore they adhere to their first Order to your Lordship for their Passage over Barwick Bridge and do require your Lordship to obey the Order of the Houses only for the Manner and Onder they recommend it to your Lordships Care and Directions that it may be speedy and with Safety God have your Lordship in his Keeping Your c. His Majesty was now Safely Arrived in Scotland Monday Aug. 19. purposing with all Application imaginable to Settle and Quiet the Minds of his Subjects of that Kingdom in hopes that it might conduce very much to the Composure of the Affairs of England and for this purpose at his first appearance in the Parliament of Scotland being Thursday August 19th he made this following Speech My Lords and Gentlemen THere hath nothing been so displeasing to Me as those Vnlucky Differences which have happened between Me and My People His Majesties Speech to the Parliament of Scotland Aug. 19. 1641. and nothing that I have more desired than to see this Day wherein I hope not only to settle these Vnhappy Mistakings but rightly to know and to be known of My Native Countrey I need not tell you for I think it is well known to most what Difficulties I have passed through and overcome to be here at this present Yet this I will say If Love to My Native Countrey had not been a chief Motive to this Journey other respects might easily have found a shift to do that by a Commission which I am come to perform My Self And this considered I cannot doubt of such real Testimonies of your Affections for the maintenance of that Royal Power which I enjoy after an Hundred and eight Descents and which you have professed to maintain and to which your own National Oath doth oblige you that I shall not think any Pains ill bestowed Now the End of My Coming is shortly this to perfect whatsoever I have promised and withal to quiet the Distractions which have and may fall out amongst you And this I mind not superficially but fully and chearfully to perform For I assure you That I can do nothing with more chearfulness then to give My People a general Satisfaction Wherefore not offering to Endear My Self unto you in Words which indeed is not My way I desire in the first place to Settle that which concerns the Religion and Just Liberties of this My Native Countrey before I proceed to any other Act. Information of Arms in the Marquess of Winton's House at Basing-Stoke In the House of Commons one Mr. Sewer did this day give Information that he did see on Monday was seven-Night a great many Arms in the Marquiss of Winchester's House at Basingstoke a Recusant and that the Keepers of them told him there were Arms for a thousand five hundred Men. One Welsh an Irish Priest was ordered to be sent for and if he refused to come to be taken into Custody by the Serjeant It was also Ordered Order about disbanding That Mr. Arthur Goodwin Mr. Hotham and Sir Henry Anderson shall go into the North about disbanding the Army to whom Mr. Scowen was afterwards added by a Vote of the House The Copy of the Commission to be sent for his Majesty to Sign for the Commissioners to impower them to go into and Act in Scotland was also read which was as follows Commission for the Commissioners that are to go to Scotland CHARLES by the Grace of God of England Scotland France and Ireland King Defender of the Faith c. To Our Trusty and right well Beloved William Earl of Bedford and to Our trusty and right well Beloved Edward Lord Howard and also to Our trusty and well Beloved Nathaniel Fiennes Esquire Sir William Armyn Baronet Sir Ph ilip Stapleton Knight and John Hambden Esquire Greeting Know Ye that We reposing special Trust and Confidence in your approved Fidelity Wisdom and Discretions have Nominated and Appointed you to be Our Commissioners and by these said Presents give unto you or any three or more of you full Power and Authority to go into Our Kingdom of Scotland and there to Treat Confer and Concluds with such of Our Commissioners as shall be Named and Authorized in Our Parliament of Scotland according to the Instructions hereunto Annered And you or any three or more of you are likewise to Observe and Pursue all such further Instructions as you or any three or more of you as aforesaid shall from time to time receive from the Lords and Commons Assembled in Our Parliament of England with Our Consent and Approbation Signified under Our Royal Hand In Witness c. The House took into Consideration the Case of Mr. Votes about Mr. Cooper suspended by Dr. Rone and Sir John Lamb. Cooper Rector of Alton in Com. Huntington and it was Resolved c. That the Suspension of Mr. Cooper Rector of Alton in Com. Huntington for not reading the Book of Recreations is illegal Resolved c. That Doctor Rone and Sir John Lamb ought to give him Reparation for his Damages sustained and that his Suspension be taken off Post Meridiem Mr. Pym Reports the Order agreed upon by both Houses for the Disbanding in haec verba WHereas it was Ordered by the Lords and Commons in Parliament August 7. 1641. Order of both Houses for disbanding the Army That the Horse Troops of the King's Army be forthwith Disbanded whereunto his Majesty gave his Corsent and signified his gracious Pleasure to have it effected accordingly all which was certified to the Earl of Holland General of his Majesties Army by two several Letters from the Speakers of both Houses respectively and withal a Copy of the same sent unto him We understand by a Letter from the Lord General that none of the Horse are yet disbanded nor intended to be disbanded until the 24th of this Month and that it is propounded that some of the Foot shall then be disbanded before the rest of the Horse now both the Houses of Parliament expecting that this Order should have been performed accordingly do hereby expresly Order that the Lord General all further Delays and Excuses set apart shall forthwith disband all the Horse Troops of the Army before any of the Foot and commanded them and all the Officers of the said Horse Troops to depart from the Army which they do hereby declare to be a Matter of great Importance to the good of the Common-Wealth and therefore they do expect a quick and ready Obedience thereunto
as well by the Lord General as by all other Commanders Officers and Soldiers of the Army whereof they expect a strict and speedy Account After which Mr. Pym and Sir John Culpeper were Ordered to draw a Letter to be sent to the Lord General and Mr. Rushworth Clerk Assistant of the House of Commons to ride Post with it and the House will take it into Consideration to requite him for his Pains and Charges This Day Sir William Bringhurst Mr. Wilson Mr. Broadgate Mr. Friday August 20. Diverse Persons Bailed The first Ordinance of the Lords and and Commons about Commissioners to go to Scotland Slany Mr. Gardner and Mr. Inego Jones were Ordered to be Bailed and 10000 l. for the Principals and 5000 l. for each of the Sureties The Ordinance of the Lords and Commons for the Commissioners for Scotland was read in the Commons House in these Words THe Lords and Commons in this present Parliament Assembled do hereby Order and Appoint William Earl of Bedford Edward Lord Howard two of the Peers of the Lords House Nathanel Fiennes Esquire Sir William Armyn Baronet Sir Philip Stapleton Knight and John Hambden Esquire Members of the House of Commons to be Committees for both Houses of Parliament to attend the Kings Majesty during his Absence in the Kingdom of Scotland and do hereby Authorize them or any three or more of them from time to time to present to his Most Excellent Majesty the humble desires Counsel and Advice of his Majesties most Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons in Parliament according to such Instructions and Directions as are hereunto annexed or shall at any time hereafter be sent unto them by the Order and Consent of both Houses The Commissioners Instructions I. Instructions for the Commissioners for Scotland YOV shall humbly desire his Majesty That the Treaty agreed upon between the Commissioners of England and Scotland confirmed and ratified in this present Parliament may likewise be confirmed and ratified in the Parliament in Scotland II. You shall present to his Majesty the just Demands of any of his Loyal Subjests of England concerning a due Satisfaction to be made of all Debts due to them for Mony Arms or Provisions taken up by the Scottish Army III. If you shall understand that the Army of Scotland is not returned back or the Army of England not disbanded according to the Articles of the Treaty and Order of Parliament you shall be very instant and earnest in Petitioning his Majesty that all Obstacles and Impediments taken away the Kingdom may be freed from that great Charge this might have been done with half the Charges if the E. Strafford's Advice had been taken and those Mischiefs under which it groans by reason of those Armies IV. You shall by all fit ways of Petition and Intercession to his Majesty further and preserve the Peace and good Correspondency betwixt the two Kingdoms of England and Scotland V. You shall from time to time Certifie both Houses of Parliament of such Accidents and Occurrences as may concern the good of the Kingdom Which Ordinance and Instructions were agreed to by the Lords at a Conference this Day The great Obstacle to the disbanding the Army Mony Ordered disbanding the Army though it filled the Heads of the Party with Fears and Jealousies which from them was diffused through the whole Nation was perfectly the want of Money and not such Designs of dangerous Consequence as were pretended to amuse the People this they well knew and therefore Ordered thirty thousand Pound to be sent down to Pay and Disband the Army A Message was brought from her Majesty to the House The Qs. Answer to the Commons about the Commissioners carrying any Message to the King Order about the L. Major and Commonalty of London about the choice of one Sheriff That her Majesty returns her Thanks for the Respects of this House but She hath lately sent to His Majesty and hath nothing at this time to write This Morning the Lord Privy Seal Reported That the Lords Committees meet Yesterday to see if they could Mediate and Compose the Differences between the Lord Mayor of London and the Commonalty touching the Election of one Sheriff but they could have no success in it and so left it to the Consideration of this House Hereupon the Lord Viscount Say and Seal and the Lord Bishop of Lincoln were appointed to withdraw and consider of an Order for setling the Election of the Sheriff pro hac vicê with a Salvo on both Parts which Order is to be entred in the Books of the Chamber of London the Order was in these Words IN the Cause depending between the Commons and Citizens and the Lord Major of the City of London about the Nominating and Electing of one of the Sheriffs of the said City for this Year ensueing their Lordships taking it into their Consideration that the Election should have been dispatched upon Mid-Summer day last past and finding that upon Omission of performing the Election as upon that Day Devolutions have ensued pro tali vicé to the Commonalty of London do Order that for this time the said Commonalty shall forthwith proceed to the Nomination and Election of both their Sheriffs for the Year following hoping that for the first of the two Sheriffs they will make choice of that Party that was Nominated by the Lord Major and their Lordships do further declare That this Order shall be no way prejudicial to any Right and Prerogative claimed by the Lords the Majors of the City of London for the time being nor yet to any Right or Claim made by the Commons or Citizens in this matter now in Question amongst them It was also Ordered That those Lords that are to go into Scotland with some of the Members of the House of Commons shall go to the Lord General in their Passage The Commissioners for Scotland to quicken the Disbanding Order to stop proceedings upon the Conviction of the Lady Wotton a Recusant to desire that the Order of both Houses may be put into speedy Execution for the disbanding of the Horse and they are to give an Account of the Lord Generals Answer Upon signification this day made unto the Lords House that an Indictment and Conviction in London against the Lady Margaret Wotton for Recusancy is returned into the Treasurers and Remembrancers Office of the Court of Exchequer and the Pipe contrary to former Orders of this House in that behalf and against the Priviledges of the same It is Ordered That no further Proceedings shall from henceforth be had in the said Treasurers Remembrancers or Pipe Offices against the said Lady upon the said Conviction nor any Process shall be thence made or issue thereupon until this House shall give further Order in this Matter Upon a former Information to the Commons by one Sewer Saturday August 21. Disarming of Recusants that he had seen a great quantity of Arms in the Marquiss
c. Next the Bishop of Linclon reported that at the same Conference Mr. Nichols that was sent into Scotland to his Majesty from both Houses reported That he had delivered the Petition and the Draught of the Commission to his Majesty but his Majesty thought not fit to sign it for these Reasons which he commanded him to signify to the Parliament 1 That his Majesty conceives the Treaty of Pacification The King's Reasons for not signing the Commission sent into Scotland by Mr. Nichols from both Houses between the two Kingdoms is already ratified by the Parliament of Scotland 2 If this Commission should be granted it would beget new Matter 3 It would be a means to keep his Majesty longer there then he intended to stay 4 That the Scots Army is over the Tweed and that the Lord General hath almost Disbanded all Our Army and hath begun with the House A Letter from the Lord General was read declaring Contents of a Letter from the Lord General That he will pursue the Orders of Parliament in disbanding the Army but he understands that the Scots will keep 5000 Men undisbanded until our Army be all disbanded and our Fortifications at Barwick and Carlisle slighted and that to this purpose he had received Directions from his Majesty to demolish the Fortifications and remove the Ordnance and Munition from thence The Bishop of Lincoln Reported the Conference with the Commons concerning Disarming Recusants to this Effect THat the House of Commons had taken into consideration the Store of Arms in this Kingdom and they find The Conference about disarming Recusants Aug. 30. 1641. that there are many Arms in the hands of Popish Recusants for disarming of whom the House of Commons have frequently recommended to this House the disarming of them according to the Stat. of 3 Jac. but they have found that the good came not by this Statute as was intended for upon Indictments for Recusancy there were Certioraris's granted Therefore the House of Commons have taken these things into consideration again and the rather because of the Kings absence at this time in Scotland and that the time of the Recess draws nigh and considering the late Troubles of this Kingdom whch are not yet settled the House of Commons have considered of an Ordnance of Parliament and some Instructions to be given unto such Commissioners as they have named to see to the disarming of Popish Recusants according to the Statute of 3 Jacobi which Ordinance and Instruction they present to their Lordships desiring them to joyn with them herein Then the aforesaid Ordinance and Instructions were read in haec verba An Ordinance made and agreed by the Lords and Commons in Parliament for the speedy disarming of Popish Recusants and other dangerous Persons The Ordinance of Parliament for Disarming Recusants WHereas for the preventing and avoiding of dangers that might grow by Popish Recusants Provision hath been heretofore made by Act of Parliament for the disarming of all Popish Recusants convicted within this Realm which said Law hath not taken so good effect as was intended by Reason such Recusants and Persons Popishly affected have by subtle practices and indirect means kept themselves from being convicted or being outwardly conformable have caused or suffered their Children Grand-children and Servants to be bred up and maintained up in the Popish Religion and have otherways hindred the due Execution of the said Law to the great danger and grievance of the Common-wealth And for that it is too manifest that the said Popish Recusants have always had and still have and do practise most dangerous and pernicious designs against the Church and State and by the Laws of this Realm in times of imminent danger or of any forcible Attempts Designs or Practises against the Peace and Safety thereof all Armor Weapons and other Provisions that may tend or be imployed to the effecting of such mischievous Designs ought timely to be removed and taken away and all fit means used for the securing of the Peace and safety of the Realm And for the preventing of such further mischiefs as may happen by any Outrage or Violence to be offered It is therefore Ordained and Provided by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament Assembled That all such Arms Gun-powder and Munition of what kind soever as any Popish Recusant convicted or any Person or other which is or shall be Indicted for such Recusancy and such Indictments either are or shall be removed by Certiorari or being not removed shall not by Appearance and Traverse or otherwise be Legally discharged before this Ordinance be put in execution or which shall not have repaired to Church more then once in every Month or shall not have received the Holy Communion according to the Rites of the Church of England within one whole year next before the making hereof and which shall refuse to take the Oaths of Supremacy or Allegiance upon Lawful Tender thereof made or whose Children or Grand-children or any of them being at his or her dispose or living in the House with them is or shall be bred up in the Popish Religion or have not repaired to Church within one year next before the making of this Ordinance according to the Laws and Statutes of this Realm or whose Houshold Servants or any two or more of them is or shall be of the Popish Religion hath or shall have in his and their House or Houses or elsewhere or in the hands and possession of any other to his or their use or at his or their disposition other then such necessary Weapons as shall be thought fit by the Persons Authorized to take and Seize the said Munition to remain and be allowed Arms for the defence of the Person or House of such Recusant or Person aforesaid shall forthwith be taken from every such Popish Recusant or Person as aforesaid and from all others which shall have the same to the use of any such Popish Recusant or Person by such Person and Persons as are and shall be by this Ordinance appointed and authorized in that behalf for every Shire County and Riding within this Realm and Dominion of Wales that is to say For the County of Bedford Sir Oliver Luke Sir Beuchamp St. John Sir Roger Burgoigne Knight For the County of Lancaster John Moor Alexander Rigby Esquire Members of the House of Commons and the two Knights that Serve for that County For Cheshire Sir William Brereton Baronet Peter Vennables Esquire For the City of Chester Francis Gamull Esquire the Major for the time being For the County of Stafford Sir Edward Littleton and Sir Richard Levison For the County of Derby Sir John Curson William Allestre Esquire For the County of Nottingham Sir Thomas Hutchinson Robert Sutton Esquire For the Town and County of Nottingham Sir Thomas Hutchinson Robert Sutton Esquire and the Major for the time being For the County of Lincoln Thomas Hatcher Thomas Grantham and John Broxholm Esquires
certainly by the informing Sectaries who were very diligent in springing Game for the Committee and Sub-Committees for Religion the Ministers Remonstrance and for Scandalous Ministers Mr. White 's Mr. Corbet's Sir Robert Harlow's and Sir Edward Deering's Committees And then these Godly Informers must be gratified for their Petitions Informations and such like good Service to the Common-Wealth by the Imprisonment Scorn and Contempt Charges and many times utter Ruine of the truly Loyal and Orthodox Clergy of the Church of England And whoever will take the pains to Rake in that Libel of Mr. White 's called The first Century of Scandalous Malignant Priests will find that the greatest Crimes which many of the Clergy were Accused for and turned they and their Families naked to the wide World were the disobeying this Order For Bowing at the Name of Jesus Examples 33 and 43. For setting up the Name of Jesus in the Church Ex. 72.83 Preaching against Sacriledge Ex. 22. Bowing the Body in God's House Ex. 7. But to return to the House of Commons after the Voting of this Declaration they fell upon the business of the Recess and preparing Instructions for the Committee which was to Sit during the time of the Adjournment And Mr. The standing Committee during the Recess of the Parliament Pym Sir Gilbert Gerrard Sir John Franklin Sir John Culpeper Mr. Wheeler Sir Henry Mildmay Mr. Bridgman Sir Thomas Bowyer Sir Thomas Barrington Sir Edward Hales Sir William Litton Sir Richard Cave Mr. Robert Goodwin Sir Samuel Luke Mr. Wingate Sir Robert Pye Alderman Soams Alderman Pennington Captain Venn Mr. Vassal Lord Falkland Capt. Rainsborough Mr. Bence Sir Peter Wroth Sir John Holland Mr. Winwood Mr. John Goodwin Sir Thomas Dacres Mr. Morley Mr. Henry Martin Mr. Arthur Goodwin Sir John Clotworthy Mr. White Mr. Sollicitor Mr. Spurstow Mr. Laurence Whitacre Serjeant Wild Mr. Strode Sir Henry Vane Mr. Glyn Sir Symon D'Ewes Sir William Drake Mr. Beddingfield Sir Gilbert Pickering Mr. Blakston Mr. Waller were appointed to be a Committee during the Recess This Committee to meet on Saturday next in the Exchequer-Chamber at Nine of the Clock in the Fore-noon Directions for the Committee during the Recess and they are to meet every Tuesday and Saturday in every Week and at such other times as they think fit during the Recess and they or any Six of them have power to meet with the Commissioners of the Lords appointed during their Recess at such times as they shall appoint They have Power to receive open and answer such Letters as come from the Committee in Scotland according to former Instructions and Orders of this House To take Care that the Orders of this House be punctually observed concerning Disbanding the Army Train of Artillery and Garrisons and for the Issuing and sending down of Money to those purposes To Recall the Committee in Scotland if they see Cause To go on in preparation of Proceedings against the Principal of such Delinquents as are already Voted or Complained against and to report Vpon any Informations of Riots or Tumults to have Power to send to all Sheriffs Justices of Peace and other Officers to stir them unto their Duties in repressing them and to report To Examine the Entries of the Clerks Books and that the Committee may not mistake any past Actions of the House a Clerk to be left there with the Books To take Care of the Preparations for his Majesties Revenue and to take into Consideration any Accounts to his Majesty To go on in prosecution of the Consideration of a West-Indian Company To take into Consideration the Fishing upon the Coasts of England Scotland and Ireland To take into Consideration the Resolutions of the Abuses in Exchange and Transporting of Money and the Regulating of the Par between this and other Nations To prepare the Irish Laws depending to be either at the Access transmitted to the Lords or recommended to the Irish Parliament To consider about Sal Petre and Gunpowder To send for any Persons Writings and Records To prepare a Discharge for the Earl of Warwick according to those Acquittances he hath given concerning the Northern Counties After which the Speaker desired he might have leave to go into the Country during the Recess which being granted the House was Adjourned till October 20. at Eight of the Clock in the Morning Happy had it been for England had they never met again to be the Authors of the most Dismal Tragedy that ever was Acted upon the Theatre of England but Providence whose Wisdom is unsearchable had Ordained them to be a Scourge to a People Wanton with Long Peace Ease Plenty and Even Religion it self The day to which the Parliament was Adjourned being now come Wednesday Octob. 20. both Houses met And the Lords being sate in their House and divers of them observing the Palace Yard full of Armed Men it was moved That it might be known upon what Grounds and Reasons the Trained Bands of Westminster were in the Old and New Palaces assembled The Lord Chamberlain being Captain General of the South Parts of this Kingdom during the King's absence in Scotland by Command of the House signified That his Lordship received a Desire from the Committee of the House of Commons which sate during the time of the late Recess that there might be a Guard of Souldiers about the Parliament to prevent the Insolence and Affronts of Souldiers at this time about the Town and to secure the Houses against other Designs which they have reason to suspect untill the Parliament meets and gives further Order therein Hereupon it was Ordered The Parliament takes a Guard of the Trained Bands of Westminster That the Lord Chamberlain shall by virtue of this Order continue a Guard of Souldiers to guard the Parliament Houses until the further Pleasure of the Parliament be known and that the Number of the said Soldiers shall be wholly left unto the discretion and management of the said Lord Chamberlain Captain General After this the Lord Keeper informed the House That he had received a Letter from the Lord Howard in Scotland dated the 14th of October which was read The Conspiracy in Scotland declaring That upon Monday Night then last there fell out a great Interruption in the Business there by reason of an Information given to the Marquiss of Hamilton the Earl of Argyle and the Earl of Lannerick That there was a Design to seize upon their Persons that Night whereupon they removed their Lodgings and stayed in the City all Night and relation being made hereof the next day to the Parliament the Earl of Crawford Colonel Steward and Colonel Cockram were restrained and after a further Examination his Lordship will give this House a further Information The first thing that was done in the House of Commons Mr. Pym's Report of what was done during the Recess Mr. Pym Reports what was done during the Recess THE first thing we had in Charge was
notice that His Majesty had Authorized Commissioners to hear what they should say or propound these very words follow Viz. Which Your Majesties Gracious and Princely favour we find accompanied with these words viz. Albeit we do extremely detest the Odious Rebellion which the Recusants of Ireland have without Ground or Colour raised against Us Our Crown and Dignity Words adds he which deserve to be written with A Beam of the Sun as an Eternal Monument of His Majesties Justice and their Guilt Nor were they spoken in a Corner but spoken under the Great Seal of England and even in that Commission which those false Accusers were to see and hear Read and by those Expressions they were sufficiently provoked to have pleaded that Authority which they so falsly pretended had they had the least shadow for so black a Calumny So far the said Earl But in regard I find his Lordship Accused in this very Passage P. W's Answer to the L. Orrery p. 58 59. Sec. 81. by P. W. in his Answer to that Book as guilty of omitting the Clause immediately following Viz. Which Words we do in all humility conceive to have proceeded from the misrepresentation of our Adversaries and therefore do protest we have been most maliciously traduced to Your Majesty Although the said P. W. doth very honestly acquit his Majesty of that horrid Scandal ingenuously acknowledging it was Sir Phelim Oneal's invention p. 57. Sec. 79. Yet to supersede all further doubting upon this occasion I will present the Reader with a Paper which his Grace the Duke of Ormond is pleased to oblige him with which will abundantly manifest not only the Innocency of the late illustrious Martyr but shew the true temper of those his inhumane Murderers who would have given Sir Phelim O Neal by the allowed confession of all Men one of the most Bloody of all the Irish Rebels not only Life and Liberty but a plentiful Reward if he would have confirmed this notorious Calumny but the Papist had it seems for that time a far better Conscience of Honesty and Honour then those impenitent Rebels and Regicides who called themselves the True Protestants for all these Temptations could not prevail with him Dr. Ker the Dean of Ardagh his Deposition concerning the Calumny thrown upon K. Charles the Martyr for giving a Commission to the Rebels in Ireland to buy his Life at the Rate of a Sin which even to him appeared greater then all his other bloody Inhumanities and Cruelties The Paper follows I John Ker Dean of Ardagh having occasionally discoursed with the Right Honourable George Lord Viscount Lanesborrough concerning the late Rebellion of Ireland and his Lordship at that time having desired to certifie the said Discourse under my Hand and Seal do declare as followeth That I was present in Court when the Rebel Sir Phelim Oneal was brought to his Tryal in Dublin and that he was Tryed in that Court which is now the High Court of Chancery and that his Judges were Judge Donelan afterwards Sir James Donelan Sir Edward Bolton Knight sometimes Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer _____ Dungan then called Judge Dungan and another Judge whose name I do not now remember And that amongst other Witnesses then brought in against him there was one Joseph Travers Clerk and one Mr. Michael Harrison if I mistake not his Christian name and that I heard several Robberies and Murthers proved against him the said Sir Phelim he having nothing material to plead in his own defence And that the said Judge whose name I remember not as abovesaid Examined the said Sir Phelim about a Commission that the said Sir Phelim should have had from Charles Stuart as the said Judge then called the late King for levying the said War That the said Sir Phelim made Answer That he never had any such Commission and that it was proved then in Court by the Testimony of the said Joseph Travers and others that the said Sir Phelim had such a Commission and did then in the beginning of the said Irish Rebellion shew the same unto the said Joseph and several others then in Court. Vpon which the said Sir Phelim confessed that when he surprised the Castle of Charle-mount and the Lord Caulfield that he Ordered the said Mr. Harrison and another Gentleman whose name I now do not remember to cut off the King 's broad Seal from a Patent of the said Lord's they then found in Charlemount and to affix it to a Commission which he the said Sir Phelim had ordered to be drawn up And that the said Mr. Harrison did in the face of the whole Court confess that by the said Sir Phelim 's order he did stitch the Silk Cord or Label of that Seal with Silk of the Colours of the said Label and so fixed the Label and Seal to the said Commission and that the said Sir Edward Bolton and Judge Donelan urging the said Sir Pheilm to declare why he did so deceive the People He did Answer That no Man could blame him to use all means whatsoever to promote that Cause he had so far ingaged in And that upon the second day of his Tryal some of the said Judges told him that if he could produce any material proof that he had such a Commission from the said Charles Stuart to declare and prove it before Sentence should pass against him and that he the said Sir Phelim should be restored to his Estate and Liberty But he answered That he could prove no such thing nevertheless they gave him time to consider of it till the next day which was the third and last day of his Tryal Vpon which day the said Sir Phelim being brought into the Court and urged again he declared again that he never could prove any such thing as a Commission from the King And added that there were several Outrages committed by Officers and others his aiders and abettors in the management of that War contrary to his Intention and which now pressed his Conscience very much and that he could not in Conscience add to them the unjust Calumniating the King though he had been frequently solicited thereunto by fair Promises and great Rewards while he was in Prison And proceeding further in this discourse that immediately he was stopt before he had ended what he had further to say the Sentence of Death was pronounced against him And I do further declare That I was present and very near to the said Sir Phelim when he was upon the Ladder at his Execution and that one Marshal _____ Peake and another Marshal before the said Sir Phelim was cast came riding towards the place in great haste and called aloud stop a little and having passed through the throng of the Spectators and Guards one of them whispered a prety while with the said Sir Phelim and that the said Sir Phelim answered in the hearing of several hundreds of People of whom my self was one I thank the Lieutenant General for his intended
Allegiance of this Kingdom what is this but to extol other then Regal Authority and to Crucify the Majesty of our Most Gracious Soveraign betwixt the two Thieves of Government Tyranny and Treason My Lords having such a full and lasting Gale to drive me into the Depth of these Accusations I cannot hereby Steer and Confine my Course within the Compass of Patience since I read in the first Volums of their Brows the least of these to be the certain Ruine of the Subject and if prov'd a most favourable Prologue to usher in the Tragedy of the Actors Counsellors and Abetters herein What was then the first and main Question it was the Subversion of the Fundamental Laws of this Kingdom Let then Magna Charta that lies Prostrated Besmeared and Grovelling in her own Gore discount her Wounds as so many Pregnant and Undeniable Proofs mark the Epethite Magna 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 confirmed by thirty Parliaments in the Succession of eight Kings the Violation of which hath several times ingaged the Kingdom of England in a Voluntary Sacrifice a Charter which imposeth that Pleasant and Wel-becoming Oath upon all Soveraignty to vindicate and preserve the Immunity thereof before the Crown incircle their Royal Temples in this Oath of so high consequence and general Interest his Majesty doth in a manner levie a fine to his Subjects use for avoiding all frandulent conveyances in the Administration of Justice And this Oath is transplanted unto the Judges as the Feoffees in trust appointed between his Majesty and the Subject and sealed by his Majesties provident care with that emphatical penalty that their Estates and Lives shall be in the Kings mercy upon the Violation of the same either in whole or in part neither hath the deserved punishment for the breach of this Oath enacted as fulgura ex vitrio or as bugbears to inforce the obedience of Children no my Lords the just execution of it upon their Predecessors though in breaches not so capital might have warned them to have strangled their ill born resolutions in the Cradle before they now proclaim their infancie and petition for their punishment Witness Sir Thomas Weyland his banishment confiscation of his Goods and Lands only for his mercenary Justice contrary to his Oath who was Chief Justice of the Common Pleas in the time of Edward the first Witness Sir William Thorp Chief Justice of the Kings Bench in the time of Edward the Third who was adjudged to be hanged because he had broken the Kings Oath made unto the People wherewith he was intrusted in the Roll. Now my Lords though Magna Charta be sacred for antiquity though its confirmation be strengthned by Oath though it be the proper Dictionary that expounds meum tuum and assignes a Subject his Birth-right yet it only survives in the Rolls but now miserable rent and torn in the practice These words Salvo contenemento live in the Rolls but they are dead in the Castle Chamber These words Nullus liber homo ejicitur è libero suo tenemento in praejudicium parium live in the Rolls but they are dead where property and free-hold are determined by paper-Petitions These words Nulli vendemus nulli differemus Justitiam live in the Rolls but they are dead when the Suites Judgments and Execution of the Subjects are wittingly and illegally suspended retarded and avoided Shall we desire to search the mortal wounds inflicted upon the Statute Laws who sees them not lying upon their death Bed stab'd with Proclamations their primitive and genuine tenures escheated by Acts of State and strangled by Monopolies Will you survey the Liberties of the Subjects every Prison spues out illegal Attachments and Commitments every Pillory is dyed with the forced Blood of the Subjects and hath ears though not to hear yet to Witness this complaint Do you doubt of the defacement of the amiable Offices of his Majesties most transplendent and renowned Justice and Grace let then that Microcosme of Letters Patents confirmed under his Majesties and his Predecessors broad Seal of the Kingdom being the publick faith thereof and yet unchristened by frivolous and private opinions rise up in Judgment let the abortive Judgment of the tenure in Capite where no tenure was exprest nay let the Heretical and Traiterous opinions where the Tenure was exprest yet to draw in all by Markets and Faires granted in the same Patents rise up in Judgments What glass hath this unhappy divided Kingdom from his Majesties presence and audience to contemplate the fair and ravishing form of his Royal intentions in but in the clear and diaphanous administration of his Justice and what do these Trayterous and Illegal practises aim at but in affront to his Majesty which we most tenderly resent and discontent to his Subjects to multiply as by a Magick Glass the Royal dispensation of his Favors into the ugly and deformed Visage of their Suppression of the Liberties Devastation of the Estates and the Deprivation of the Lives of his Loyal Subjects so that it may be said Regali Capiti cervicem consul equinam Jungere sic vellet variasque inducere plumas My Lords these ought to be considered with as serious an Ear as they were practised by mischievous Experiments Inquire of the Netherlands why their Fields are grown Fertile by the Inundation of Blood why the pensive Matrons solemnize too too frequent Funerals of their Husbands and Issue and they will Answer you it was for the Preservation of their Hereditary Laws which Tyranny would have innovated This Kingdom personated in the sable Habit of a Widdow with dishelved Hairs seems to Petition your Lordships That since she is a Mother to most of us yet certainly a Nurse unto us all that you would make some other for Redress of her Tyrannical Oppression These Persons Impeached resemble the opacous Body of the Earth interposed to Ecclipse that Light and Vigor which the solar Aspect of Majesty would communicate unto his Subjects They Imitate the Fish Sepia that vomits a Dark Liquor out of her Mouth to cloud the Waters for her securer Escape They are those whom to the Keys have been committed yet they have barred the Do or to them that Knoc't They are those Unnatural Parents that give their Children Stones instead of Bread and Scorpions for Fish Was it for this purpose that the Royal Authority situated them in these Eminent Places that like Beacons upon high Hills they should Discover and Proclaim each Innovation and Stratagem against the Publick Weal whilest they in the mean time imploy therein Fire to Publick Incendiary or like Ignes fatui seduce the easie and believing Traveller into Pits and unexpected Myres Were they sworn to Seal their Damnation and not their Confirmation of our Liberty Estates and Lives Shall a man be censured for Perjury in that Breach of his private Faith and those be justifiable in Treason aggravated by Perjury against the Dignity of the Crowns and Publick Faith of the Kingdoms No
Government and Ordering of the Troops as well upon Service as at other times 4. For the better Encouragement of Worthy Men to undertake the Service in hope of Advancement and that at this very Instant Men of Merit that have had better Commands would be unwilling to serve in a more Inferior Condition than they have already 5. Though it be said That in Ireland Regiments will seldom come to fight in a Body yet it may fall out otherwise and then the inconvenience might prove of greater Consequence then the Charge 6. In Holland whilest their Troops were all single yet for the time they were to render Service in the Field they formed Regiments of them which had their Colonels and Majors appointed for that time which though they had no certain Pay by those Places Yet they had other Advantages by Governments Commanderies Companies of Foot Quarters and such like things to better their Condition and at last the Prince of Orange found it more convenient to settle the said Commands to Colonels and Majors although it were to the greater Charge of the State 7. Finally The General Practice of all Nations as the Germans Swedes French c. which have tryed all manner of wayes have for greater conveniency certainly formed their Cavalry into Regiments and most of them also allow a Lieutenant Colonel to every Regiment The Earl of Warwick and the Lord Digby Reported to the House the King's Answer touching the Petition of both Houses for continuing the Guards Viz. I Did Command the Guards to be dismissed The King's Answer concerning the Guards because I knew no Cause the Parliament had of Fears but I perceived the Molestation that the keeping of them would bring upon those Subjects of mine which were to perform that Service besides the General Apprehensions and Jealousies which thereby might disquiet all My People and I do Expect that when the Parliament shall desire of Me any thing like this Extraordinary and that which appears of ill consequence that they will give me such particular Reasons as may satisfie My Judgment if they expect I should grant their Desire Yet I am so tender of the Parliaments Safety to secure them not only from real but even imaginary Dangers That I will Command my Lord of Dorset to appoint some of the Train-Bands only for a few dayes to wait on both Houses in which time if I shall be satisfied that there is Just Reason I will continue them and likewise take such a Curse for the Safety of My Own Person as shall be fit of which I doubt not but that they have as Tender a Care as of their own It was then Ordered That this Answer shall be communicated to the House of Commons at a Conference An Order was this day made to put off all private business till the first day of Hillary Term Private Business set aside by Order of the House of Lords and to be Printed and Published to prevent the Charge and Trouble which otherwise Petitioners who have Causes depending might be put to in attending the House of Lords This day William Shelden Esquire Monday Novemb. 29. The two Sheldens acquitted of Beal's Plot. and Edward Shelden his Brother who had been taken up by virtue of an Order of the 27th of Novemb. upon suspition about Beal's Information of the 108 men who were to Kill the Parliament-Men appearing before the Lords and nothing of Complaint being against them It was thought fit and so Ordered That they should be forthwith discharged of any further attendance and be freed from any further Restraint Then a Letter was read written to the Lord Chamberlain from the Earl of St. Albans dated the 14th of November 1641. from Ireland the Principal Contents whereof were these THat the Town of Gallaway in Ireland is well Fortified Letter from the E. of St. Albans in Ireland and in Command of Mr. Willoughby That the Province wherein his Lordship lives doth utterly mislike the proceedings of the Rebels That the County of Mayo is quiet That 2000 Rebels are out in Levain but 4 Towns stand out That it is a thing of Consequence that Brian O Rourk here in England should be secured as conceiving him to be a dangerous person in this time of Rebellion in Ireland if he should Escape That the whole Province of Munster is yet quiet And lastly his Lordship ended with a Protestation of his Faith and Loyalty to the Crown of England while he lives and will dye in the same and will imploy all his Strength and Endeavours to assist the King for the Suppression of the Rebels Whereupon the Lord Chamberlain was Ordered to return him the Thanks of the House and the Letter to be communicated to the House of Commons The Bill for securing Recusants with amendments as also the Order for securing to the City the two fifty thousand pounds were carried up to the Lords In the House of Commons they were very busie upon a new Bill for Tonnage and Poundage for the Reader is to take notice that the Bills before mentioned were but from two Months to two Months It was also Voted That the Lords should be desired to move the King that the Earl of Salisbury may be Lord Treasurer and the Earl of Pembroke Lord High Steward of His Majesties Houshold The Amendments and Alterations in the Bill concerning the securing of Popish Recusants Tuesday Novemb. 30. were this day read and it was in the Debate taken into consideration whether the first Clause should stand which was That the Persons of Recusants should be restrained as the Lords in Parliament should think fit or whether it should be altered according as the House of Commons desired which was That the Lords should have power to dispose of the Persons of Lords and the Commons of Commoners And in conclusion it was agreed upon That for the alterations of the Names of the Persons in the Bill and the places of Dwellings and the Alterations of time this House agrees and consents to but for the rest the House adheres to the former Clause in the Bill The Bill for Tonnage and Poundage brought up from the Commons by Mr. Solliciter was read three times Successively Bill for Tonnage and Poundage passed the Lords and upon the Question it was Resolved to pass as a Law Nemine Contradicente The Order for securing the Mony borrowed of the City was likewise read and assented to which was as follows THe Lords and Commons in this present Parliament Assembled The Order for securing the Money borrowed of the City for the Northern expedition and Ireland having a due regard to the good Affections of the City of London expressed upon sundry Occasions by the advancing and lending of great Sums of Money for the service of this Common-wealth and particularly the Sum of 50000 l. for supplying the present Affairs in Ireland all which the said Lords and Commons do take in very good part and being resolved to make
not to tender a thing called a Plea and Demurrer As also that the Commons conceive they ought to have been called in this Case for that they have desired it in both their Charges to be present at their Answer and that it was their Right to have been called Further They observe the long delay to the Commons for that they having charged these 13 Bishops long since for meer matter of Fact to be brought so late to Answer may introduce great inconveniencies in this particular and in the Consequences and is not Exampled by former Precedents That therefore upon these Grounds the Commons desire the Lords they may be admitted to make good their proof against these 13 Bishops and that they may be brought to Judgment It was this day Ordered by the Lords Tuesday Decemb. 7. Some Causes in Parliament determinable in no other Court That Forasmuch as the Cause between Smith and Busby in a Writ of Error decidable in no other Court but in Parliament in regard the Suit was Commenced by Original Writ and depending long before the Lords here it having been sundry days attended for Argument with Counsel And being it is a matter in Law the presence of the Judges is thought needful and so cannot be heard in the Term without prejudice to the several Courts of Westminster-Hall It is therefore Ordered by this House That the said Case shall be argued at this Bar on Thursday Sevennight next being the 16th of this Instant December and the Judges are desired to be present at the said Argument And further That the Parties of either side or their Council are to attend and come prepared for arguing and debating the Points in the said Case at their perils The following Commission to give Power to the English Commissioners of both Houses to Treat with the Scots Commissioners touching the Affairs of Ireland was read viz. CHARLES by the Grace of God The King's Commission to several Lords and Commons to treat with the Scots Commissioners concerning assistance for Ireland c. To Our right Trusty and right Well-beloved Cousin William Earl of Bedford and to Our right Trusty and right Well-beloved Cousin and Councellor Robert Earl of Leicester Lieutenant General and Governor General of Our Realm of Ireland as also to Our Trusty and right Well-beloved Edward Lord Howard of Escrick and likewise to Our Trusty and right Well-beloved Nathanael Fines Esq Sir William Armyn Baronet Sir Philip Stapleton Knight John Hampden Esq Greeting Know ye That We reposing assured Trust and Confidence in your approved Wisdoms Fidelities and great Abilities have Nominated Constituted and Appointed you to be our Commissioners and by these presents do give full Power and Authority unto you or any Three or more of you whereof the said Earl of Bedford Earl of Leicester or Lord Howard to be one to Treat and Consult with Our Right Trusty and Right Well beloved Cosins William Earl of Lothian and John Earl of Lindsay Our Commissioners of Our Scottish Nation of and concerning Our Irish Affairs for the quieting and suppressing of all Tumults Insurrections and Rebellions moved and raised in Our Realm of Ireland and settling Peace and Tranquillity therein according to such Instructions and Directions as you shall hereafter from time to time receive from Vs in that behalf Wherefore We Will Require and Command you or any three or more of you whereof the said Earl of Bedford Earl of Leicester and Lord Howard to be one forthwith with all diligence to attend the Execution of this Our Commission accordingly And whatsoever you shall do in this behalf according to the Tenor hereof this Our Commission shall be your sufficient Warrant and Discharge for the same Witness Our Self at Westminster the 7th day of December in the 17th Year of Our Reign c. The late Bishop of Lincoln now Archbishop of York Late Bishop of Lincoln now Archbishop of York Reports the Conference concerning the Bishops Impeached Reported the Conference with the Commons Yesterday concerning the Impeached Bishops which because it differs from the Heads Reported for that purpose by Mr. Glyn in the Commons Journal I thought it not amiss to insert His Grace Reported That Mr. Glyn said That the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons having lately received a Message from their Lordships that their Lordships had appointed this day to hear the Plea and Demurrer of the Bishops and that such of the House of Commons might be there as they thought fitting commanded him to deliver unto their Lordships these Particulars That the Canons and Constitutions in Question were voted by both Houses to contain Matters contrary to the King's Prerogative the Laws of the Land the Right of Parliament the Propriety and Liberty of the Subject and many matters tending to Sedition and of dangerous Consequence That thereupon the House of Commons to the intent to bring this Matter to Judgment brought up their Impeachment of the 13 Bishops 4th Augusti last which was read verbatim This was all that was acted 4o. Augusti But least this Impeachment might prove too general they brought up a second Charge or Impeachment 13 Augusti which was read in haec verba Whereas the Knights Citizens c. which to avoid Tautologies the Reader may see before in the Transactions of the 13 August By the bringing of this second Impeachment the House of Commons conceive they had satisfied two main Objections 1. That the Book of Canons and Constitutions was not particularly instanced upon in the first which now they punctually deliver with the Impeachment 2. That they had not before charged any thing in particular but now they did That all and every the said Canons and Constitutions and Grants of Benevolence c. were and are contrary c. as in the Vote And hereupon they desired the 13 Bishops might be put to their Answers and yet for all this Desire of the Commons 13. Augusti they had several times which spent almost a Quarter of a Year given them to answer in Their last and peremptory day was the 10th of November last and then they put in no Answer at all but a certain Writing which they are pleased to call a Plea and Demurrer Vpon notice hereof the House of Commons returned an Answer That whereas they had impeached 13 Bishops whereof one of them had pleaded Not Guilty and the rest had neither confessed nor denyed the Impeachment they desired a prefixed day to descend to Proofs and make good the Charge Soon after they received a Message from their Lordships That their Lordships had appointed this day to hear the Demurrer argued Hence it appears That notwithstanding divers daies are given to the Bishops to answer nothing is brought in but a Plea and Demurrer which was not to be admitted for two several Reasons 1. No Defence ought to be made to an Impeachment brought in by the Commons but in the presence of the Commons and it ought to be
against the Peace and the Crown and Dignity of their Sovereign Lord the King have Assembled by thousands under Pretence of Petitioning against Bishops Evil Counsellors c. as now they did Saturday Decemb. 11. The Lord Keeper this Day signified to the House of Lords That His Majesty had Commanded him to deliver this Message to both Houses That whereas formerly he had acquainted both Houses with the Desire of the French Ambassador That eight Romish Priâ—sts convicted at the Sessions might be Reprieved and Banished at this time because it may concern the Business of Ireland and that his Majesty had desired the Advice of both Houses therein of which his Majesty hath not yet received any Answer His Majesty therefore puts the House in mind thereof and desires an Answer in regard that on Munday next is the Day for Executing of those that are convicted which are seven Priests one of the eight being acquitted upon the Tryal Upon which the Lords sent a Message by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Bennet to desire a Conference concerning this Matter to which the Commons returned Answer That they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own in convenient time The Bill Intituled The Bill for relief of Captives at Algiers passed the Lords House The Bishops by their Councel adhere to their Plea and Demurrer An Act for the Relief of the Captives taken by Turkish Moorish and other Pirates and to prevent the taking of others in time to come being read a third time and put to the Question It was Resolved To pass as a Law This Day being appointed for the 13 Bishops that are Impeached by the House of Commons for making the Canons and Constitutions and for Granting a Benevolence contrary to Law to make their Answers to the Impeachment their Councel were called in and the Impeachment was read Then the Lord Keeper demanded of them Whether the Bishops will abide by their Plea and Demurrer or make their Answers The Councel Answered That the 12 Bishops do resolve to adhere to their former Plea and Demurrer only they have waved one Branch of their Demurrer which was to the generality of the Charge which appears to be particular Hereupon the Councel withdrew and the House Ordered That the Lords the Bishops that are Impeached shall be heard by their Councel on Monday next touching the Maintaining of their Plea and Demurrer and that the House of Commons have Notice herein that they or some of their Members whom they shall appoint may be present if they please And to this purpose a Conference was sent to be desired by Serjeant Whitfield and Serjeant Glanvile Then the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland produced a Paper which was given by the Scots Commissioners to the English which being read was in these words OVt of the Sense of our Duty we owe unto his Majesty and the true Affection which the Kingdom of Scotland bears to the Kingdom of England We are willing to contribute our best Assistance for the speedy Relief of those distressed Parts of Ireland that lye nearest us Therefore in the Name of the Kingdom of Scotland we make Offer of 10000 Men for that Service which is conceived to be the least Number can be for secureing themselves and reducing the Rebels in the North of Ireland to the due Obedience of his Majesty and the Crown of England This Offer is upon such particular Conditions as in the Progress of this Treaty we shall agree upon which may be for the Honor of our Nation and the Safety and Good of the Army imployed in the Service This being done the Lord Lieutenant declared That his Majesty being made acquainted with this Proposition was willing they should Treat for 10000 Men the House assented to give Power to the Commissioners to Treat accordingly The Commons fell this Day upon the Matter of the Guards and the Justices of the Peace for Middlesex being called in and demanded by what Warrant or Authority they caused those Guards to be set they made Answer That what they had done in this Matter was in Obedience to his Majesties Warrant to them directed Then the Under-Sheriff was called in and Examined also concerning the setting of the Guards who affirmed That the Writ was granted forth by direction of the House of Lords and with the Advice of the Judges They being withdrawn upon the Debate of the Matter the storm for the present fell only upon Mr. Long who had signed the Warrant for the Guards Mr. Long a Justice of the Peace sent to the Tower about the setting of a Guard without the Consent of the Parliament and the Question being put Whether Mr. Long should be put out of the Commission of the Peace The House was divided upon it with the No were 94 with the Yea 90 so it passed in the Negative and he was by the Vote of the House sent to the Tower For that He the said Mr. Long in his Warrant had exceeded the Authority given him by the Writ and had directed Constables and Sitting the Parliament had sent down Armed Men to the Parliament never acquainting the Parliament with it A Committee was also appointed to Examine the business concerning the raising and sending armed men to the Pallace at Westminster The Message from the Lords about the King's desire to know the Answer of the Parliament concerning Banishing the Condemned Priests at the Request of the French Embassador was read and it was singly Voted upon these following Resolved That Hamon Jo. Rivers alias Abbot Walth Coleman Priests voted to be Executed and Turnor Priests shall be put to Execution according to the Laws Sir Phillip Stapleton Reported That the Scots Commissioners had shewed their Authority to Treat to Assist us with 10000 Men upon such Conditions as should be agreed We told them Vpon this Proposition we could not Treat with them for that our Commission was only to Treat for 5000 Men They wished us to acquaint the King with it so according to our Duty we waited on his Majesty who Expressed a great deal of Desire and Affection in the furthering of this business and said he had referred it to the Parliament and would grant a Commission to treat with them for 10000 Men. Whereupon the House assented to it A Petition of some Aldermen and Common Council-men and Subsidy Men of the Factious part of the City of London and Suburbs was this day presented to the House of Commons which being read the Petitioners were called in and Mr. Speaker in the Name and by the Order of the House acquainted them That the House took their Petition in good part and returned them Thanks for their Respects to this House and readiness to supply the Publique and that in convenient time the House will take their Petition into Consideration Some of them then desired they might have leave to speak something to the House whereupon they were ordered to withdraw and the House upon the Debate having resolved
or Provisional Clause to be added to the said Bill by way of Limitation or Restriction and did also at the same time express his displeasure against some Person or Persons which had moved some Doubt or Question concerning the bound of Prerogative which the House of Commons declare to be a breach of the Fundamental Priviledges of Parliament The House of Commons do therefore desire their Lordships would joyn with them in an humble Petition to his Majesty to take notice that the Priviledge of Parliament is broken herein and to desire him that it may not be done so any more hereafter After this matter had been debated by the Lords it was Ordered That their House will joyn with the House of Commons in a Petition to His Majesty herein And the Lord Arch-Bishop of York Earl of Pembroke Earl of Bristol Earl of Holland Viscount Say and Seal Episcopus Durham Episcopus Winton Episcopus Roffen were appointed a Select Committee to meet with a proportionable number of the House of Commons to consider of the Breach of Priviledge of Parliament and and to prepare some things incident hereunto and present the same to the House This Committee to meet with the Commons on Wednesday the 15th of this Instant December at Nine of the Clock in the Morning in the Painted-Chamber The Committee appointed by the Commons to meet with the Lords were Mr. Pym Serjeant Wild Mr. Glyn Mr. Martin Mr. Strode Sir Hugh Cholmley Mr. Hollis Mr. Hampden Mr. Sam. Brown Sir Thomas Barrington Sir Edward Rodney Sir Thomas Bowyer Sir William Armyn Sir Francis Barnham Sir Walter Earl Sir Edward Aiscough Sir Philip Stapleton Sir Anthony Irby Sir William Lewes Mr. Strangeways Sir Robert Cooke Sir Edward Montforte Sir William Litton and Sir Henry Ludlow The Lord Keeper also Reported the Effect of two other Conferences had this day with the Commons The first Conference consisted of two particulars First Whereas a Proposition was made by the French Ambassador to the King for saving Seven Romish Priests which were Convicted and the House of Commons presented their Opinions to this House that five of those seven Priests may be Executed according to the Laws Now the House of Commons desire their Lordships to joyn with them in an humble Petition to His Majesty that the Execution of the Laws may be done upon all the seven Priests and that both Houses would become Suitors to the King to take off the Reprieve Next a Letter was read sent from one Parthington in Ireland written to Sir John Clotworthy Knight shewing the great and barbarous Cruelties acted upon the Protestants in Ireland by the Rebels as hanging of them and pulling their Flesh from their Bones cutting off their Heads Hands and Feet ripping up of Women great with Child and killing of Children with divers other inhumane Acts. The second Conference was touching the Declaratory part of the Bill for Pressing of Soldiers That the House of Commons consents now to the Words or Compelled that they should be inserted into the Preamble of the said Bill upon condition that these Words may be added except it be in Case of Necessity of the sudden coming of an Enemy into the Kingdom And lastly That the House of Commons doth not intend to give any Reasons for the fortifying of the Declaratory Cause in the Preamble of the Bill for pressing of Soldiers it being a thing unusual for them so to do It seems the House of Lords was in great disorder about the King's Speech Lord Pierpoint to the Black Rod for some Words offensive to the Lords for the Lord Pierpoint in his Speech having said That it was not Honourable for this House to be in such Noise and Tumult the House conceived these words to be a great Offence to so Great and High a Court as this is and being charged with the Words he was Commanded by the House to withdraw but before he withdrew he desired to explain himself which he was permitted to do and he professed he did not speak the Words to give any Offence to the House His Lordship being withdrawn the House took the Offence done into Consideration and Ordered That the Lord Pierpoint shall be committed to the Custody of the Gentleman-Vsher attending the House for the present After which the House took into consideration the Proposition of the Commons concerning the seven Priests and it was upon the Question after much Debate Resolved by the major part to joyn with the Commons in an humble Petition to his Majesty That Execution of the Laws may be done upon all the 7 Priests that are Condemned and that he will be pleased to take off his Reprieve Memorandum The Lords the Bishops withdrew themselves before the voting of this Question it being in Agitatione causae sanguinis The Lord Steward and the Lord Chamberlain were Ordered to attend the King from both Houses concerning the 7 Priests to be Executed as aforesaid and that his Majesty will take off his Reprieve Most part of this day was spent by the Commons about the Debates of the King's Speech the Result of which the Reader hath already in the Conferences with the Lords but still the Faction could spare little time to remember their Petitioning Friends of Black-Heath who had run their Heads into the Noose of the Law and a Commission was gone out against them for an Inquisition upon which Occasion as before they had warned the Under-Sheriff of Surrey so this day produced an Order of the Commons to the Justices of the Peace of Surrey not to proceed in any Inquisition concerning any Persons that met to subscribe a Petition to be preferred to this House till they should recive further Orders therein from the House This day the Lord Arch-Bishop of York Wednesday Decemb. 15. reported from the select Committee of both Houses concerning the Privileges of Parliament three Particulars which the Committees think fit to be voted in both Houses as a Breach of the Privileges of Parliament And also that a Declaratory Protestation be entred into by both Houses for the claim of those Liberties and this to be drawn up by the Committees Likewise the Committees think fit that a Petitionary Remonstrance be presented to His Majesty from both Houses declaring the Right of Parliament to those Privileges and the Particulars wherein they have been broken with an humble Desire that the like may not be done hereafter and that his Majesty will be pleased to discover the Parties by whose Misinformation and evil Council his Majesty was induced to this Breach of Privilege that so they may receive condign Punishment for the same and that his Majesty be further desired to take no notice of of any Mans particular Speeches or Carriage concerning any Matter Debated and Treated in Parliament a Form whereof is to be drawn and presented to the Committee to Morrow Morning at Nine of the Clock And that the Committees have appointed the Lord Arch-Bishop of York the Lord Roberts Sir
they do with all dutiful Reverence to Your most Excellent Majesty declare That it is their Ancient and Vndoubted Right that Your Majesty ought not to take notice of any matter in Agitation and Debate in either Houses of Parliament but by their information and agreement And that Your Majesty ought not to propound any Condition Provision or Limitation to any Bill or Act in Debate or preparation in either Houses of Parliament or to manifest or declare your consent or dissent approbation or dislike of the same before it be presented to Your Majesty in due course of Parliament And that every particular Member of either House hath free liberty of Speech to propound or debate any matter according to the order and course of Parliament And that Your Majesty ought not to conceive displeasure against any Man for such Opinions and Propositions as shall be delivered in such debate it belonging to the several Houses of Parliament respectively to judge and determine such Errors and Offences in Words or Actions as shall be committed by any their Members in the handling or debating any matters depending They do further declare That all the Priviledges above-mentioned have been lately broken to the great sorrow and grievance of your most humble and faithful Subjects in that Speech which Your Majesty made in Parliament to both Houses upon Tuesday last the 14th of this present Month of December in that Your Majesty did therein take notice of a Bill for impressing of Soldiers being in Agitation in the said Houses and not agreed upon And that Your Majesty did therein offer a Salvo Jure or provisional Clause to be added to that Bill before it was presented to Your Majesty by the Consent of both Houses and did at the same time declare Your displeasure against such Persons as had moved some Doubt or Question concerning the same Bill All which they do affirm and declare to be against the Ancient Lawful and Vndoubted Priviledges and Liberties of Parliament And therefore they most humbly beseech Your Majesty by Your Royal Power and Authority to maintain and protect them in these and all other the Priviledges of Your High Court of Parliament that You will not for the time to come break or interrupt the same And that none of Your Loyal Subjects may suffer or sustain any prejudice in Your Majesties favour or good opinion for any thing done or spoken in Parliament And for the reparation of Your Loyal Subjects in this their just Grievance and Complaint for the Breaches of their Priviledges above-mentioned and prevention of the like for the time to come That Your Majesty will be pleased to declare and make known the Name or Names of the Person or Persons by whose mis-information and evil Counsel Your Majesty was induced to the same that so he or they may receive such condigne punishment as shall appertain to Justice in that behalf And this they most humbly desire and as Your greatest and most faithful Councel shall advise Your Majesty to perform as that which will be not only a comfort to themselves but likewise a great advantage to Your Majesty by procuring and confirming such a Confidence and Vnity betwixt Your Majesty and Your People as may be a foundation of Honour Safety and Happiness to Your Person and Throne as they stand bound always to pray for and endeavour Which being done it was Resolved upon the Question That this Petition and Remonstrance now read shall be presented to the King and these Lords following were appointed to go along with such Members as the House of Commons should appoint to attend the King accordingly Viz. Arch-Bishop of York Lord Steward Earl Marshal Lord Admiral Earl of Bath Earl of Dorset Earl of Cambridge Earl of Bristol Earl of Holland Lord Wharton The Commons appointed the same Committee for this Service which are before named to whom were added Sir Henry Vane Senior Mr. Lisle Sir Ralph Hopton Lord Crompton Lord Buckhurst Mr. Jones Sir Edward Patherich Mr. Palmer Sir Rich. Buller Sir Sam. Oldfield Sir Simon D'Ewes Mr. Cary Sir Jo. Culpeper Sir Rob. Harley Sir John Clotworthy The Lord Steward and the Earl of Holland were appointed presently to attend the King To know what time he will please to appoint the Select Committees of both Houses may wait upon him for this purpose To which the Lord Steward brought Answer That the King appoints to morrow at two of the Clock at White-Hall In the Commons House Orders to the Mayor of Berwick Hull and New-Castle to take care of those Places after the Reading and Voting of the Protestation Petition and Declaration It was Ordered That Mr. Speaker do write his Letters to the Mayor of Berwick enjoyning him to require such Papists and suspected Persons as reside in Berwick or make their Constant repair thither forthwith to depart the Town and such as shall refuse to tender the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance unto them and to proceed against them according to Law And to require him that a Guard be kept at the several Gates of that Town and that the Arms of that place be in readiness And Mr. Speaker is likewise to write to the Mayor of Newcastle and to the Mayor of Hull requiring them to have a special Care in the disarming of Recusants and injoining them to depart those places and such as shall refuse to tender unto them the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance and to proceed against them according to Law and to have the Arms of those Towns in a Readiness and good Condition for the defence of these Places especially the Mayor of Hull to provide well for the safety of the Magazine there And that Sir Robert Harley and Mr. Littleton do repair to the Lord Keeper and to desire him to issue out Commissions to the Mayors of Berwick Hull and Newcastle enabling them to tender the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance to Papists and suspected Persons After which it was Resolved upon the Question Sir James Douglas to be sent for as a Delinquent That Sir James Douglass shall be sent for as a Delinquent by the Serjeant at Arms attending the House A Petition of the Knights and Gentlemen of the County of Hertford on the behalf of themselves and divers others was this day read and it was Ordered That the same shall be taken into Consideration on Saturday next and also at the same time to Debate such other Matters as shall be necessary for the defence of the Kingdom and of putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order I have not been able to recover this Petition but it is easie by the Order that treads upon the Heels of it to know that the Matter was putting the Bishops out and the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence which Two Topicks were by the indefatigable Emissaries of the Faction laboured for night and day To say the truth they were the most industrious
City and that the Resolution of the said Committee can take no effect until they be communicated to the Common Council the House of Commons desires their Lordships to joyn with them in an Order That the Lord Mayor shall call a Common-Council together as often and at such times as shall be desired by the said Committee and that whatsoever Order the said Lord Mayor hath or shall receive from either of the Houses of Parliament shall be imparted to the said Committee To the first part of this Message the Lords agreed To the second That the Lord Digby have notice to attend this House if he be at Kingston or at Court but if he be gone to Sherborn to fetch up his Lady he is to go on his Journey To the third It was Resolved c. That this House will joyn with the House of Commons concerning the Governor of Portsmouth These Lords following Lords Dissenting from the Vote about Portsmouth before the Question was put Desired their Right of entring their Dissent to this Vote if it were carried against them Which the House gave way unto viz. Earl of Southampton Lord Mowbray Lord Wentworth Lord Pierpoint To the latter part of the Message concerning the Common-Council the House agrees therein with the House of Commons and the next day they were drawn into formal Orders of both Houses The Earl of Southampton speaking some Words in the Debate of this Message which the House conceived to reflect upon the Honor of the House Earl of Southampton questioned for Words which were That the Parliament had neglected their Duty to the King for the safety of his Person Upon which his Lordship was put to explain himself which being done these Resolutions passed Resolved c. Nemine contradicente That this Parliament have performed their Duties to the King for the Safety of his Person Resolved c. That the Earl of Southampton hath satisfied this House with the Explanation he now made of himself A Message was then brought from the House of Commons by Sir Philip Stapleton being two Votes concerning Sir John Byron Lieutenant of the Tower to which they desired the Concurrence of the Lords 1. Votes of the Commons concerning the Lieutenant of the Tower That Sir John Byron the now Lieutenant of the Tower hath committed a high Contempt against the Authority and Priviledges of Parliament in refusing to appear upon the Summons of both Houses of Parliament To which the Lords agreed 2. That Sir John Byron the now Lieutenant of the Tower shall be sent for as a Delinquent The Lords deferred giving any Resolution of this last Vote at this time Search to be made about the Commons House In the Commons House it was this day Ordered That another Lock be set upon the Door under the Stairs at the Door of the Commons House and that Mr. Bell keep the Key and search it every Morning also that it be referred to the Committee appointed to search about the Houses and Places near the Parliament House to take daily care that all Places thereabout be safeguarded and kept Secure Mr. Calcot the Informer of Lunsford's being at Kingston with 500 Horse Theophilus Calcot gave the House Information of many Horse under the Command of Collonel Lunsford were Lodged at Kingston upon Thames to the number of 500 or thereabouts That there came Yesterday two Loads of Ammunition that there was last night Captain Thomas Howard a Member of the Commons House and as they say had a Command of some Men there Which occasioned the Message before mentioned It seems the Information did not agree for afterwards Mr. Hollis reported from the Committee appointed to consider of this Information That there were about 200 Men there that they have Pistols and discharge them and carry themselves in a disorderly Manner to the Terror of the People And in reality all this great Army at Kingston was only the Lord Digby and his ordinary Retinue But every thing was Multiplied and Magnified to the highest degrees and whether true orfalse it did the business Effectually and kept up the Fears and Jealousies of the People and confirmed them in the belief of strange Plots against the City and Parliament Then Mr. Sollicitor St. Johns Mr. Whitlock Sir H. Anderson The Committee to draw the Declaration to be sent into all Parts of the Kingdom to put themselves into a Posture of Defence Sir Gilbert Gerrard Mr. Green Sir John Holland Mr. Whistler Sir H. Mildmay Mr. Rigby Mr. Boduile Mr. Grimston Sir Martin Lumley Sir Edward Hungerford Mr. Cave Sir Edward Patherich Serjeant Wild Sir Thomas Barrington Mr. Ashton Mr. Moore Mr. Strode Sir J. Evelyn Mr. Noble Sir William Massam Mr. Lisle were appointed a Committee to take into consideration the drawing of a Letter or other Declaration to be presented to the Lords and by both Houses to be publish't in Print and sent into all the parts of the Kingdom advising them with all Expedition to be in a readiness and a good posture of Defence upon all occasions to defend their several Counties from Invasion by Papists or other ill affected Persons and to declare the several Designs that this quarter of a year last past hath been against the Parliament and safety of the Kingdom It was also Ordered That 2000 l. of the Pole Money shall be paid by the Lord Mayor of York to Sir John Hotham for the service of Hull It was also Ordered upon the Information of Mr. Thomas Blunt Search for Arms at Mr. Ropers at Eltham in Kent That the said Mr. Blunt and Mr. Gibbon or either of them do forthwith make diligent search in the House of Mr. Anthony Roper in Kent at Eltham or any other suspected place for Arms and Ammunition and if they find any there to Seize the same and to apprehend the Person of him or any other Suspected Persons and to take Examinations touching this matter and to use their best indeavours for the Apprehending of Mr. Cecil Cave Who as Blunt said he had been informed had given out that ere long Bloud would be Sold as cheap as Milk The Serjeant was ordered to repair to the Queens Millener Letters to Mr. Crofts opened and require him forthwith to attend the House with the Paquet of Letters which he this day received by the French Post directed to Mr. Crofts Joseph Lee a Waterman informed the House of some great Saddles going to Kingston by water whereupon Order to Seize Saddles and Horses the Serjeant was commanded to Seize them And an Order was sent to the Justices next Hampton Town to make stay of some Horses that the House is informed are now in the Stable of one Mr. Robinson until this House shall take further order An other Order to Sir John Franklyn and Mr. Search for Arms at Sir James Hamiltons Lodgings Whittacre to search the Lodgings of Sir James Hamilton for Arms and Ammunition and to Seize the same and
House of Commons an Order was issued to the High Sheriff of Suffolk calling to his Assistance Sir William Spring Mr. Order to search the Lady River's House for Arms. Maurice Barrow or either of them to his assistance to search the House of the Lady Rivers and to seize what Arms they shall find there and put them in safe Custody Another Order was issued to the Vice-Chancellor of Oxon Order to search for Arms at Oxon. the Major and Sir Nathaniel Brent Alderman of that City or any two of them to search the Houses of Mr. Green Mr. Napier at the Starr and Mr. Williams and any other suspected Place for Arms and take good Order to remove them and put them in safe Custody and shall likewise seize the Persons of such Recusants as shall resort to either of these Places or any other House or Place within the University or City of Oxon. It was also Ordered That a Messenger be sent Post on purpose to Portsmouth with the Ordinance of both Houses and this House undertakes to see the Messenger paid Then Mr. Bagshaw of Windsor was called in and did inform the House Bagshaw of Windsor an Informer That the last Night as he went to Windsor he saw divers Troops of Horse That there came a Waggon loaden with Ammunition last Night to Windsor That there was another Waggon that went away from Windsor to Farnham That there was a Messenger gone to Portsmouth That he was informed there were about 400 Horse in the Town and about some forty Officers Whereupon Mr. Arthur Goodwin was sent to desire the Lords to sit a while in regard this House doth believe they shall have Occasion to come up to them with some Matters of great Importance And presently after Sir Edward Hungerford went up to the Lords to desire a Conference touching the Peace and Safety of the Kingdom And upon this Information Skippon ordered to send out Scouts by Land and Water which was of the same Stamp with the other about Kingston it was Ordered That Serjeant Major General Skippon do take Care That ten Horsemen be forthwith appointed to go as Scouts from time to time to bring Intelligence if any Forces do approach near the City and this House will undertake that they shall be satisfied and also to take care for the appointing of such Boats or small Vessels as shall be necessary by Water for the Service aforesaid and the House will take care Satisfaction also be given to those so imployed It is impossible to enter into the Head of any Man of Sense that the Faction was under any real Fears from this Information but there is another sort of Fear a Politick Fear which was by these preparations of Scouts by Land and Water to perswade the City that the Parliament had discovered some huge Plot against them which they were so solicitous to prevent for had the Information been true as in probability it was very false since Bagshaw does not affirm it of his own Knowledg but by a second-hand Information which he had met with what occasion of Fear could 400 Men give to the City of London or to the Parliament the House of Commons being able to have given Battle to such a Number if they should have had any Design against them as they indeavoured to make the City and the whole Nation be lieve But the Faction had a very particular Service for these strange Rumors which they so industriously fomented and magnified and that was by the help of these imaginary Dangers to wrest the Sword of the Militia out of His Majesties hands for unless they had the management of it they nor the Kingdom as they made the People believe could not be in any condition of Safety And in order to this Mr. Pierpoint Committee for putting the Kingdom into a posture of defence Sir Richard Cave Mr. Hollis and Mr. Solliciter Sir Philip Stapleton Mr. Glyn Sir H. Vane Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer were appointed to be a Committee to consider of some Heads and present them to the House to morrow morning for putting the Kingdom into a Posture of Defence Then his Majesties Answer to the desires of the Commons concerning Arms for Ireland was read as followeth HIS Majesty having considered of the Message delivered to him from the House of Commons of the 12th of this present Month His Majesties Answer to the Commons concerning Arms out of the Stores for Ireland whereby it is desired that he should give a general Warrant for delivery of Arms and Ammunition for the Service of Ireland returneth this Answer That as His Majesty hath been very careful to contribute all that possibly he could for furnishing Provisions for the Relief of Ireland so he shall be ready to give Warrants immediately from time to time for any particulars that shall be thought fit by his Parliament to be sent out of his Stores for that Service and for the present hath given Warrant for the delivering 1500 Muskets with all things to them belonging and 500 Pikes and Corslets and 2000 Swords out of his Tower of London and Arms for 500 Horse out of the Magazine of Hull The Earl of Newport this day signified to the House Saturday January 15. That he had received Warrants from the King to Transport the Arms and Ammunition desired for Ulster only he wants Money and Ships to convey them A Conference was had between the Lords and Commons concerning the Lieutenant of the Tower Lord Keeper Reports the Conference concerning the Lieutenant of the Tower which the Lord Keeper thus Reported That the House of Commons conceive the Tower of London to be a Place of that great Importance that they do renew a former Motion that their Lordships would joyn with them humbly to Petition the King that the Lieutenant now in may be removed and such a Person put in as the King Parliament and City may confide in The Parliament confides not in Sir John Byron because he hath been disobedient and hath refused to come upon the Summons of both Houses of Parliament not that they speak this as desiring it may be a cause of Punishment upon him but as a ground of distrust The City says Though the Lieutenant may be a worthy Gentleman otherwise yet he is a Man unknown to them which already causes ill Effects for Merchants begin to take away their Bullion out of the Mint and write Letters to their Factors to send no more And at the present there is a Ship come laden very richly with Bullion but the Owners do forbear to bring it into the Mint because they cannot confide in the Lieutenant of the Tower This concerns the City and Trade exceedingly for it is a Charge to the City to maintain a Guard about the Tower therefore the House of Commons desires their Lordships to join with them in an humble Petition to his Majesty That Sir John Byron now Lieutenant of the Tower may be
through this little Artifice and therefore the Merchants c. being withdrawn after much consideration the Question was put Whether this House will joyn in an humble Petition with the House of Commons to his Majesty to remove Sir John Byron Knight The Lords refuse to joyn with the Commons in a Petition to displace the Lieutenant of the Tower Several Lords enter a Protestation against the Vote for not joyning with the Commons about the Lieutenant of the Tower from being Lieutenant of the Tower of London and to place Sir John Conyers in that Place And it was Resolved Negatively These Lords following before the Question was put demanded their Right of Protestation and that they might have liberty to Enter their Dissents to this Vote which the House gave leave unto Lord Admiral Earl of Bedford Earl of Pembroke Earl of Leicester Earl of Sarum Earl of Warwick Earl of Holland Earl of Bolinbrook Earl of Stamford Viscount Say and Seal Lord Wharton Lord Pagett Lord North Lord Hunsdon Lord Willoughby de Parrham Lord St. Johns Lord Spencer Lord Kymbolton Lord Brooke Lord Roberts Lord Grey de Warke Lord Newnham Lord Howard de Escrick After which the Committee of the House of Commons were called in and the Councel of the Bishops standing at the Bar the 12 Bishops were severally brought in one after another First The Bishops answer to the Impeachment of the Commons The Arch-Bishop of York was brought to the Bar and after he had kneeled as a Delinquent he was commanded to stand up And then the Speaker by direction of the House told him That this Day was appointed for the 12 Bishops to put in their several Answers to the Impeachment of the House of Commons of High Treason against them and that their Lordships do require him to put in his Answer thereunto His Grace Answered That he had received an Order Dated the 30th of December last with an Impeachment against himself and 11 other Bishops of High Treason from the House of Commons And likewise divers Orders of several days that were appointed for them to put in their Answers and the last Order for this day which accordingly he is come to obey their Lordships Commands And for his own Answer to the aforesaid Impeachment of High Treason he gives his Answer in this manner I John Arch-Bishop of York saving to my self all advantages of Exceptions to the insufficiency of the said Impeachment for my self say That I am not Guilty of the Treason Charged by the said Impeachment in manner and form as the same is therein charged Then he desired a present and speedy Tryal and so withdrew In the same manner Thomas Bishop of Durham Robert Bishop of Coventry and Litchfield Joseph Bishop of Norwich John Bishop of St. Asaph William Bishop of Bath and Wells George Bishop of Hereford Matthew Bishop of Ely Robert Bishop of Oxon Godfrey Bishop of Glocester John Bishop of Peterborough and Morgan Bishop of Llandaff were severally brought to the Bar and gave the same Answer The Bishops having given in their Answers the Committee of the House of Commons went to their own House Then a Petition of the Bishops was read as followeth To the Right Honourable the Lords Assembled in the House of Peers The Humble Petition of John Arch-Bishop of York and other the Bishops Impeached by the House of Commons of High Treason the 30th of December last Humbly Sheweth THat your Petitioners by your Honourable Order of the date of the Impeachment The Bishops Petition to be speedily Tryed or Bailed were to put in their Answers thereunto the 7th of this Instant and have had sit hence several days for that purpose assigned them and are now this 17th of this Instant brought hither by your Lordships Order They always having been as now they are ready to obey your Lordships Commands and many of them already much Impaired both in their Health and Estates Do most Humbly Pray That a Speedy proceeding may be had therein and that in the mean time they may be admitted to Baile And your Petitioners shall ever Pray for increase of Honour and Divine Blessing upon your Lordships Jo. Eborac Godfr Glouc. Jos Norvic Tho. Duresme Jo. Asaph Guil. Bath Well Geo. Hereford Mat. Eliens Ro. Oxon. Jo. Petriburg Mor. Landaff Ro. Cov. Litch Hereupon It was Ordered by the Lords The Bishops remanded to Prison That the day of Tryal for the twelve Bishops which are Impeached of High Treason by the House of Commons shall be on Tuesday the 25th of this Instant January at the Bar of the Lords House In the mean time the Bishop of Durham and the Bishop of Coventry and Litchfield shall be remanded to the Custody of the Gentleman Vsher attending this House and the other ten to be presently remanded to the Tower there to remain until the further Pleasure of the House be known And a Message was sent to the House of Commons by Mr. Serjeant Finch and Mr. Serjeant Glanvile to acquaint them with this Order The Lord Keeper being indisposed had by the leave of the House retired himself but before his going had delivered a Letter from the King to the Speaker of the Lords House for the time which was read as follows To Our Trusty and Right well-beloved Councellor Edward Lord Littleton Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England A Letter and Message to both Houses from the King concerning the Prince CHARLES R. O Or Will and Command is That you deliver to the Parliament in Our Name the Message inclosed concerning the Marquess of Hertford's Attendance upon Our Son and for so doing this shall be your Warrant Given at Our Court at Windsor the 17th Jan. 1641. His Majesty hath seen the Order of the Lords upon the Motion of the House of Commons given to the Marquess of Hertford concerning his Care in attendance upon the Prince not without Wonder that the Parliament should make such an Order which can hardly be otherwise understood but as if there had been a Design of sending the Prince out of the Kingdom which must necessarily have reflections upon his Majesty the Prince being now in the same Place with him And his Majesty hath shewed himself both so good a Father and a King that he thinks it strange that any should have such a thought as that he would permit the Prince should be carried out of the Kingdom or that any durst give him that Counsel Whereupon it was Ordered That this Message be communicated to the House of Commons at Grocers-Hall And then the House was adjourned till the 20th of Jan. In the Commons House Mr. Quelch balled It was Ordered That Mr. Quelch now in the Serjeant's Custody by order of the House shall be forthwith bailed It was rare that ever they absolutely discharged any Person who once came under their Hands though but for the slightest Information and they rather chose to let them go under Bail by which Artifice they
this House Mr. Cromwell Cromwell an Informer afterwards the infamous Usurper and Mr. Walton two Members of the House informed against a Gentleman of Huntingtonshire for Words of a high and dangerous Consequence whereupon it was Ordered That Mr. Speaker shall grant forth his Warrant to bring the Gentleman in safe Custody that spake the Words and likewise an Order to Summon the Informer their Names being first made known unto him by Mr. Cromwell and Mr. Walton After which by Vote upon the Question the House did adjourn it self till Thursday morning next at 8 of the Clock But leaving the Faction in England for a while driving on towards a Rupture with the King Let us see how the Affairs of their Brethren in Rebellion in Ireland proceeded And first I will present the Reader with a List of the principal Rebels which I found among the Papers in the Clerk of the Commons House of Parliaments Office which was as follows The Names of the Chieftains and Septs of the meer Irish who have taken Arms in Ireland and rebelled against his Majesty and the Crown of England in the Province of Vlster SIr Phelomy O Neil A List of the principal Persons in the Rebellion in Ireland called by the Irish Phelony Roe O Neil Captain General of all the Rebels and Chieftain of the O Neils O Hagaus O Quyus O Mellaus O Hanlous O Corrs Mac Cans Mac Cawells Mac Enallyes O Gormeleyes and the rest of the Irish Sept in the Counties of Tyrone and Ardmagh Tirlagh O Neil Brother of the said Sir Phelomy is his chiefest Councellor and is a very sad Man well seen in the Laws of England which he Studied in Lincoln's-Inn and was of good repute there Both these are extracted from Con More O Neil the Father of Con Bacagh O Neil the first Earl of Tirone whereby Sir Phelomy is reputed by the Irish to be the rightful O Neil with Title and Appellation with the Dignities and Jurisdiction conceived to belong thereunto of Old he hath now assumed Captain Rory Maguire Brother of Conner Lord Maguire Lord Baron of Empkilm and Donoghbane Maguire their Vncle are Chieftains of the Maguires and all other the Irish Septs in the County of Permanagh he is of a Cruel and Bloody Disposition and hath shed much English Blood as is reported Brian Mac Collo Mac Mahon Brian Mantagh Mac Mahon and Neil Mac Kenna of the Trough are Chieftains of the Mac Mahon's Mac Kenna's Mac Ardells O Connellies the O Duffies and all other the Irish Septs in the County of Monoghan the former of those three is a soft elderly Man the two latter are Young and Rude though each of them hath been brought up to Civility and Learning being Wards to the King 〈…〉 Inquire of the Lord Blaney more particularly who are the most Eminent Men of those Rebels of Monoghan Sir Con Magenys Knight and his Brother Daniel Sons of â—ld Sâ—r Arthur Magenys late Lord Viscount Iveagh and Vncles of the now Viscount are Chieftains of the Magenysses Mac Cartans and all the other Irish Septs in the County of Down Philip Mac Hugh Mac Shane O Rely is Chieftain of the O Relyes O Gownes Mac Cabes Mac Echies the Bradies and all the other Irish Septs in the County of Cavan This Philip Mac Hugh Mac Shane O Rely for his Estate and Parts is made Chieftain but Edmond O Rely is the chiefest of the O Relyes and Edmonds Brother Philip Mac Mullmore O Rely is a more active and experienced Man and hath done some Courtesies to the Distressed English for which they say he is made Prisoner by the other Philip but it is more probable there is Emulation between them Mullmore O Rely Son of the said Edmond being Sheriff of the County of Cavan when the Rebellion began and commanded all the Country in the King's Name by vertue of his Office to rise and take Arms and continueth still a Captain of the Rebels Shane Mac Philip Mac Mullmore O Rely Son of the said Philip Mac Mullmore O Rely is a Captain of the Rebels Tirlagh O Neil Grandson of Sir Tirlagh Mac Henry O Neil and the Son of Hugh Boy O Neil whose Name Sir Faithful Fortescue knoweth are Captains of the O Neils of the Fues a Baroni in the County of Ardmagh within six Miles of Dundalk in the County of Louth which Town was never taken by the Rebels in any former Rebellion but now is surprised by the O Neils of the Fues The Lords Justices and Council finding the Storm grow every day Louder and more Threatning dispatched fresh Letters of Advice to England to give an account of their Affairs particularly this following to the Lords of his Majesties Privy Council May it please your most Honourable Lordships SInce our last dispatch to the Lord Lieutenant A Letter from the Lords Justices Council in Ireland to the Lords of the Privy Council in England Nov. 5. 1641. Dated the 25th of October concerning the present Rebellion begun there the Rebells have with great Multitudes proceeded in their out-rages even to great cruelty against the English and Protestants in all places where they came They have Seized the Houses and Estates of almost all the English in the Counties of Monoghan Cavan Fermanagh Armagh Tirone Donegall Letrim Longford and a great part of the County of Downe some of which are Houses of good Strength and dispossessed the English of their Arms and some of the English Gentlemen whose Houses they Seized even without any resistance in regard of the suddenness of their surprise the Rebels most Barbarously not only Murdered but as we are informed hewed some of them to pieces They Surprised the greatest Part of a Horse Troop of his Majesties Army commanded by the Lord Grandison in the County of Armagh and possessed themselves of their Arms. They apprehended the Lord Caulfield and Sir Edward Trevor a Member of this Beard and Sir Charles Pomtes and Mr. Branthwait Agent to the Earl of Essex and a great number of other Gentlemen of good Quality of the English in several Parts whom they still keep Prisoners as also the Lord Blayney's Lady and Children and divers other Ladies and Gentlewomen They have wasted destroyed and spoyled wheresoever they came and now their fury begins to threaten the English Plantations in the Queens County and Kings County and by their Example the Sheriff of the County of Longford a Native and Papist is likewise Risen in Arms and followed by the Irish there where they Rob Spoyl and Destroy the English with great Cruelty In these their Assaults of the English they have Slain many Robbed and Spoyled thousands reduced men of good Estates in Lands who lived Plentifully and well to such a condition as they left them not so much as a Shirt to cover their Nakedness They turned out of their Estates many of considerable Fortunes in Goods and left them in great want and misery and even the Irish Servants and Tenants of
of the House of Lords 849. At the Bar of the House of Commons 856. A Petition of some Merchants c. against him 881. A Motion of the House of Commons for displacing him dissented to by the House of Lords 882. Cruelty of the Irish Rebels 633. Customers offer 100000 l. for an Act of Oblivion 256. are Ordered to pay 150000 l. ibid. Votes about the Petty-Farmers 258. who Petition the House 265. Custos Regni insisted on by the House of Commons 425. the Judges Opinion about it 430. D. SIr Thomas Danby a Witness for the Earl of Strafford 95. Mr. William Davenant accused for a Conspiracy to seduce the Army 232. a Proclamation to stop him 233. sent for by a Serjeant 245. Committed 246. Bayled 377. Lord Chief Baron Davenport Impeach'd by the House of Commons 343. Articles against him 347. Sir Thomas Dawes a Writ Ne exeat regnum against him 425. Deans and Chapters defended by Doctor Hacket in the House of Commons 240. Speeches in Parliament concerning them 282. 289. Debts of the Kingdom considered by the House of Commons 257. 724. Declaration of the House of Commons concerning several Church-matters without the consent of the House of Lords 481. of the House of Commons of Ireland upon the Queeres proposed to the Judges there 584. of the English Parliament touching the Irish Rebellion 601. of the House of Commons against Inigo Jones 728. of the King in answer to the Remonstrance 746. of the House of Commons concerning the Tower and Collonel Lunsford 778. Declaration of the State of the Kingdom projected 615. debated 664. appointed to be delivered and by whom 689. set down at large 692. c. how received by the King 709. House divided about Printing it 743. Declaration for a Posture of Defence 850. rejected by the House of Lords 857. Declaration concerning Breach of Priviledges 853. Sir Edward Deering Chairman of a Sub-Committee for Scandalous Ministers 245. delivers the Bill for abolition of Episcopacy with a Speech 248. how unfortunate 249. his Speech about Episcopal Government 295. concerning the Order for removing the Communion Table 493. concerning Bowing at the Name of Jesus 610. about the Declaration of the State of the Kingdom 664. against passing it 668. the behaviour of the factious to him 672. Defence of the E. S. to the first Article against him 54. to the second 55. third 56. fourth 58. fifth 60. sixth 61. eighth 63. ninth 64. tenth 65. twelfth 67. thirteenth 68. fifteenth 71. sixteenth 74. nineteenth 78. twentieth to twenty fourth 84. to 87. twenty fifth 89. twenty sixth 91. twenty seventh 94. twenty eighth 99. Delinquents who are so Voted their Estates to be seized 511 Delinquents about the Sope Patent 513. Serjeant Dendy Inform'd against for words 888. Bishop of Derry Impeach'd 566. Articles against him 570. Sir Simon D'ewes his Speech about the Poll-Bill 322. concerning the Palatinate 368. Differences between the Lords and Commons about the Votes for the Protestation 416. Lord Digby one of the Committee to prepare the Charge against the Earl of Strafford 7. appointed one of the Managers of the Evidence against him 28. his Speech at passing the Bill of Attainder 157. which is Ordered to be Burnt by the Common Hangman 160 389. exceptions taken at some Words of his 271. expelled the House of Commons 275. made a Baron and added to all the standing Committees ibid. a Message from the House of Commons about him 791. Information against him 845. Summoned to attend the House of Lords 882. his Apology at large 863. Lord Dillon a Witness for the Earl of Strafford 56 58 60 61 71. made one of the Lords Justices of Ireland 564. displaced to please the Faction ibid. Committed by the House of Commons 786. Directions of the House of Commons for taking the Protestation 229. of the same to their Committee during the Recess 481. Disbanding the Army Votes Orders c. about it 233 286 454 456 457 458 461. Disbanded Soldiers to be permitted to go beyond Sea 495. Dondalk taken by the Irish Rebels 636. Sir James Douglas sent for as a Delinquent 753. Mr. Edward Dowdall's Depositions concerning the Treaty between the Lords c. of the Pale and the Irish Rebels 907. Bishop of Down a Warrant to him concerning Contemners of Eeclesiastical Jurisdiction 63. William Dowson a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 94. Thomas Drinkwater ordered to the Pillory for a Contempt 238. excused 245. Drogheda see Tredagh Dublin Fortified 636. Citizens pretend themselves not able to raise 40 l. ibid. cunningly victualled by the Master of the Rolls 637. Strangers ordered by Proclamation to depart the City and Suburbs 637. Dr. Duncomb Witness for the Earl of Strafford 55. Dunkirkers laden with Ammunition for Ireland stopt 844 857. Durham House assured to the Earl of Pembroke by an Act 426. Dutch Ambassador desired to assist in stoping the Dunkirkers 857. E. EDwards a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 90. Egor a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 36. Election of Members Cases about it 599. 870. Sir John Elliot 's Case 376. Bishop of Ely his Case with Lady Hatton 270. see Wren Dean of Ely see Fuller Embassadors Voted not to entertain Priests Natives of England 373. French or Spanish Embassadors see French or Spanish Episcopacy a Bill Proposed for the Abolishing of it 248. Sir Edward Deering 's Speech upon it 248. Sir Benjamin Rudyard 's 249. the Lord Newark 's 251. Votes of the House of Lords upon it 255. Report of a Conference about it 259. Debated in the House of Commons 275. two Papers concerning it presented to the House of Commons 301. Votes about it 380. Order to discourage Petitioners for it 655. Epitaphs upon the Earl of Strafford 204. 205. Sir Walter Erle one of the Commissioners to prepare the Charge against the Earl of Strafford 7. appointed one of the Managers of Evidence against him 28. gravell'd in his Management he is assisted by the Lord Digby 100. sent down to secure Dorsetshire 233. Earl of Essex made Lord Lieutenant of Yorkshire 247. and Lord Chamberlain 407. Motion of the House of Commons that he have power over all the Train'd Bands South of Trent 608. lays down that Commission 684. Evidence against the Earl of Strafford Summ'd up by him 104. Examination of Owen Connelly about the Irish Rebellion 520. of Mac Mahan concerning the same 521. of Richard Grave 522. of Mr. Attorney General about the five Members 873. Exceptions taken at some words of the Lord Digby 27. at a Letter from the Speaker of the House of Lords of Ireland 417. at a Message from the House of Lords by one Person only 474. at the Bishop of Lincoln 477. at the Kings Speech 739. Exclusion of the Bishops from Voting in the case of the thirteen Impeached Bishops a Conference about it 500. Execution of the Earl of Strafford 201. Explanation of the Protestation 241. of the Act of Pacification 625. Extract of Letters from the Lords Justices of
the Commission sent into Scotland 469. of the House of Commons for securing Popish Recusants 654. of the same for removing the Earl of Portland from the Government of the Isle of Wight 655. for forming the Cavalres into Regiments 685. for continuing the Guards 687. against the Bishops Demurrer 715. Rebels in Ireland the Names of the principal 888. defeat the English Relief for Tredagh 904. are repell'd by Sir Arthur Syringham 905. and dislodged at Finglass by the Earl of Ormond 918. Recess of the Parliament debated 463. agreed 464. Committee of Lords for that time 484. of the Commons 486. Report of what was done during the time 488. Record relating to the Poll-Bill 324. Recorder of London his Speech to the King at his return from Scotland 675. Knighted 676. Recusant Lords some take the Protestation 237. Recusants voted to be disarmed 45â— â—â—7 469 an Ordinance for it 470. and Instructions to Commissioners for it 473. Lords and Commons agree to put the Laws in execution against them 615. an Order for it 653. a List of the prime Recusants desired by the House of Commons to be secured 662. debated by the House of Lords 667. Regiment of Horse and Foot the Charge of each 642. Remonstrance from Ireland 36 56. of the Irish Rebels 535. of the State of the Kingdom by the House of Commons see Declaration Requests see Court Reward voted to Connelly for discovering the Irish Rebellion 524. 609. Sir Edward Rhodes a Witness for the Earl of Strafford 95. Cardinal Richelieu charg'd with fomenting the Irish Rebellion 897. Duke of Richmond introduced into the House of Lords 436. Lord Roche a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 74. one Roche his Letter intercepted 896. Root and Branch Bill 248 257. Rosetti the Popes Nuntio departs the Realm 328. Sir Benjamin Rudyard his Speech about Episcopacy 249 298. about the Palatinate 328 379. against suffering either the French or Spanish to have the Disbanded Souldiers 465. Rutland Petition for Episcopacy 656. S. Lord Saint John of Bletso introduced into the House of Lords 244. Saint John one of the Commissioners to prepare the Charge against the Earl of Strafford 7. appointed a Manager of Evidence against him 29. his Argument for passing the Bill of Attainder against the Earl of Strafford 162. one of the Committee to Expedite the Charge against the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury 265. his Speech at the Conference for Excluding the Bishops Votes in the Case of the thirteen Impeach'd 501. Earl of Salisbury made Lord Lieutenant of Dorsetshire 236. has leave to follow some business in the House of Commons 761. Robert Salmon a Schoolmaster a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 78. Salvo entred by the Bishops 231. by the Lords 325. for the Judges of the Court of â—ork 388. Saâ—â—â—and a Clergy-man releas'd 244. Mr. Savil a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 69. Lord Say made Mr. of the Court of Wards 246. his Speech against Bishops Votes 266. Scotch Invasion how Chargeable to England 426. that they were Invited hither 427. Scotch Rebels by Order of both Houses declared faithful Subjects 467. their Commissioners complain of delays in the Treaty for Ireland 761. Seamen a Bill for Pressing them read 236 237. 777 797. past 861. Search for Arms at Lambeth 236. about the Parliament House 846. for Arms at several Places 847 848 859. Secresie required of Persons concern'd in Examinations against the Earl of Strafford 11. and in the Examinations about the Conspiracy in the Army 232. strange Secresie of the Irish Conspirators 632. Mr. Seldon appointed to assist at the Examination of Witnesses against the Earl of Strafford 11. opposes the Bill of Attainder against him 152. one of the Committee to Expedite the Charge against the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury 265. Sermons ordered to be in the Afternoon in Cathedrals 288. and in all Parochial Churches 383. William Shales accuser of Mr. Henry Bedingfield 662. Sheldons Seized upon account of Beal 's Plot 648. acquitted 686. Shepherd a Rioter releas'd 328. Ship-money in Sheriffs hands ordered to be return'd 264. a Bill against it 294. 412. Opinion of the Judges in the Case 338. Sheriff of London a Controversie about the Election of one 318 319. 407. 409. referred 413. 445. determin'd pro hac vice 456. Petition of the Lord Mayor upon it 459. Sisters reliev'd by order of the House of Lords against a Brother 367. Shippon ordered to command the Guard of the House of Commons 833. has the thanks of the House 838. ordered to send Scouts by Land and Water 859. Slingsby a Witness for the Earl of Strafford 54. 56. 86. Small a Minister a Vote in favour of him 446. Smart that Articled against Bishop Cosins rewarded 406. Sir Robert Smith a Witness against the Earl of Strafford 74. Mr. Smith a Minister Committed to the Gate-House for words against the Parliament 244. one Smith 's Case 716. Smith a Suspended Minister a Vote in his Favour 319. Soap business Votes about it 512. Delinquents concerning it sent for by a Serjeant at Arms 513. Souldiers Mutinous for want of Pay 269. Transportation of Souldiers a Conference about it 477 479. an Ordinance against it 481. a Vote that Disbanded Souldiers may go beyond Sea 495. a Bill for Pressing 740. Somersetshire Petition for Episcopacy 726. Earl of Southampton question'd for Words 846. Spanish Ambassador's House beset by the Rout 187. Speaker of the House of Commons his Letter to Sir Jacob Ashley 228. his Letter to the Army 235. Speaker of the House of Lords their Vote about the choice of him 438. Speech of the King to both Houses concerning the Earl of Strafford 186. in answer to the Speaker upon passing the Bill for Tonnage and Poundage 380. at passing the Bill against Star-Chamber and High-Commission Courts 327. to the Scotch Parliament 453. in answer to the Recorder of London at his return from Scotland 676. to both Houses upon the same 780. to the same concerning Ireland 738. to the House of Commons at his demanding the five Members 820. Speech of Mr. Pym after reading the Articles against the Earl of Strafford 9. of the same at his Tryal 30. of the Earl of Strafford in defence of his Preamble 40 to 47. of Pym in Answer to it 47. of Maynard upon the first Article against the Earl of Strafford 〈◊〉 of the Earl of Strafford upon Summing 〈◊〉 the Evidence against him 104 to 123. of Glyn upon the same 124 to 145. of Pym upon the same 145 to 152. of the Lord Digby upon passing the Bill of Attainder 157. of the Earl of Strafford upon the Scaffold 199. of William Thomas against the Bishops 211 to 226. of Sir Edward Deering upon the Bill for Abolition of Episcopacy 248. about Episcopal Government 295. concerning the Communion-Table 493. concerning bowing at the Name Jesus 610. about the Declaration of the State of the Kingdom 664 668. of Sir Benjamin Rudyard upon the Bill for Abolition of Episcopacy 249. about Bishops Deans and