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A43841 Fasciculus literarium, or, Letters on several occasions I. Betwixt Mr. Baxter, and the author of the Perswasive to conformity, wherein many things are discussed, which are repeated in Mr. Baxters late plea for the nonconformists, II. A letter to an Oxford friend, concerning the indulgence Anno 1671/2, III. A letter from a minister in a country to a minister in London, IV. An epistle written in Latin to the Triers before the Kings most happy restauration / by John Hinckley ... Hinckley, John, 1617?-1695.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing H2046; ESTC R20043 157,608 354

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that you printed about the Savoy Business that which you understood not and cannot justifie why do you not rather retract it than wish things had been managed worse Do you not know how much yea very much more we yielded to than ever Hildersham whom you praise or the other old Non-conformist would have done See but the Kings Declaration about Ecclesiastical Affairs and read Dr. John Reignolds Papers to Sir Francis Knowles against Episcopacy and judge whether he himself would have gone any further Indeed I know not that I differ in any Point of Worship Ceremonies or Discipline from that learned Doctor whom you praise § 23. You make me wonder to read what you urge us with about Popery when we so long together spake aloud when we were allowed and told them Our union is our strength and all the faithful Ministers of England are too few to cast and keep out Ignorance Popery and Sensuality and if we were all never so conformable our selves we do know the Land so well that we are sure if such and such things be made necessary to Ministration and Communion many hundred worthy Ministers will be silenced and many thousand religious People will become Separatists and more be offended and our Divisions will involve us in discontents and murmurings on one side and severities on the other and Popery and Prophaness will prosper under our Divisions And you will be necessitated to fill up our Places with many such Ministers as will increase all this misery and all this may now be prevented by that which will do you no harm at all And when after all our endeavours the Flood-gates are pluck'd up which we would have kept down it is now pretended that if we cannot nimbly and deeply swear and subscribe and do all that is imposed on us Popery forsooth will come in and it 's long of us that would fain have prevented it and stop'd the gap § 24. When I had beyond all sober contradiction proved to you that it was Episcopal Men in England that raised the War against the King that I might move you to impartiality and to call them to Repentance you do the poorliest put off that which you cannot confute and yet will not acknowledge as if nothing were criminal in them that are of the Church of England Who knoweth not that many Episcopal Parliaments before had begun the same Quarrels against the King which the Long Parliament prosecuted and cryed out still of Monopolies loss of Liberties and Propriety Arminianism and Innovations in Religion toleration and increase of Popery Read but Rushworths Collections and Heylins Life of Arch-bishop Laud and deny it if you can You cannot deny but that the Long Parliament began in the same temper as the former ended having the irritation of that which they accounted Lauds Innovations to go higher You cannot I think name two in all the House of Commons that were Presbyterians when the War began I provoke you to read over the List of the Lord-Lieutenants of the Parliaments first Militia throughout all England and prove but one of them to be then a Presbyterian or any of them that survive yet to this day I provoke you to name me one General Officer yea or three Collonels in all the Earl of Essex his first Army that were Presbyterians I might have gone further and wish'd you to peruse the Names of all the Parliaments old Major-Generals or Chief Commanders in the several Counties the Earl of Stamford Sir William Waller M. G. Massey the Earl of Denbeigh Sir John Gell Ferdinando Lord Fairfaix Dointz Mitton Sir Tho. Middleton Morgan the Earl of Manchester c. and tell me how many you can find that were Presbyterians I can witness that many greatlyest famed of late for Presbyterians have earnestly pleaded with me for the present Episcopacy I asked you whether it was not only the taking down that which they took to be the Innovations and Exorbitances and civil Power of the Bishops which the Parliament asked when the War began You can give me no answer to any of this that savoureth of sense and modesty but what must grant that it is notoriously certain that it was not a Presbyterian but an Episcopal and Erastian Parliament in England which began the Wars And yet you will rather hide their fact and fault while you aggravate the same in others than you will call the Episcopal Party to repentance What credit shall we ever give to History when a thing so publick and notorious as a Parliament an Army the Lord-Lieuteants the Major-Generals yea and the Synod shall all be represented to be Men of another Party and that had another Cause than indeed they were and had If in the same Age the same Land even where and when a great part of them are yet living and the rest lately were our Neighbours and Familiars there shall yet be found such Men yea Preachers as have the face to tell the World that these at the raising of the War were Presbyterians we may next expect that History may make Posterity believe that they were not English-men I my self knew many of the Parliament many Lord-Lieutenants many of Essex his Army many of the Major-Generals and I scarce remember one Presbyterian among them all at the beginning of the War except two or three Scottish Soldiers that were in Essex's Army and I do not know that they were such but only that they were Scots And for the Westminster Assembly except only the six or seven Independents that were there I provoke you still to name me three English Divines that were Presbyterians or that were not Conformists Now what do you say to all this Do you deny Do you confute any of it Do you name a Man as an instance of my mistake or can you do it § 25. First you tell me I am at much pains to clear the Non-conformists of the guilt of the late War Answ No such matter I only tell you that it was not a Presbyterian Parliament or Army that began the English War 1. The beginning of the War is one thing and the progress is another the Presbyterians or saith Dr. Heylin the Scots Lords for their Church-Lands and Tyths sake began it in Scotland the Papists began it in Ireland one part of the Episcopal against another began it in England 2. All Non-conformists were not Presbyterians 3. Cannot I say that the Episcopal began it without clearing those that did second them or the Sectaries that carried it on to the end You feign me to say that A very few Non-conformists of a multitude were engaged in it whereas my words were It is not one of a multitude of the Nonconformable Ministers that ever took up Arms against the King I speak there of Ministers only and those that are now Non-conformists of whom the far greatest number were then Children and many unborn and many of the elder yea most never medled with Arms But as for the beginning of the