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A92774 The diatribē proved to be paradiatribē. Or, A vindication of the judgement of the reformed churches, and Protestant divines, from misrepresentations concerning ordination, and laying on of hands. Together with a brief answer to the pretences of Edmond Chillenden, for the lawfulnesse of preaching without ordination. / By Lazarus Seaman. Seaman, Lazarus, d. 1675.; Simpson, Sidrach, 1600?-1655. 1647 (1647) Wing S2174; Thomason E413_9; ESTC R203508 93,768 122

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THE ΔΙΑΤΡΙΒΗ Proved to be ΠΑΡΑΔΙΑΤΡΙΒΗ OR A VINDICATION of the Judgement of the Reformed Churches and Protestant Divines From misrepresentations Concerning Ordination and Laying on of hands Together with a brief ANSWER to the Pretences of Edmond Chillenden for the lawfulnesse of Preaching without ORDINATION By Lazarus Seaman LONDON Printed by T. R. E. M. for John Rothwell at the Sun and Fountain in Pauls church-yard 1647. TO THE RIGHT HONORABLE Edward Earle of Manchester Viscount Mandeville Baron of Kimbolton My Lord MAY it please Your HONOUR to take this Dedication as an humble and gratefull acknowledgement of those many favours and incouragements which out of YOUR exuberant Goodnesse alone and not for my desert which is not have been vouchsafed to me And as a token that I would be thankfull and duly respectfull if I did know how to expresse either These are Times wherein Truth must learn to go alone to stand by her own strength The methods and depths of Satan with the power of darknesse are all improved against Light and an arm of flesh will prove a broken re●d to those who trust in it Yet I shall ever repute YOUR LORDSHIP among those who have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ the Lord of glory with respect of persons JAM 3. 1. who are willing 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to contend earnestly for the maintenance of the faith once given unto the Saints JUDE 3. And therefore though I dare not presume or in any wise expect to ingage You on my part in the debate about Ordination and Laying on of hands which is presented in the ensuing Papers yet upon experience of YOUR naturall love to Godly Ministers upon all occasions I make bold to creep under the wing of YOUR Patronage upon occasion of this Publication That Honours and Dignities are slippery places These stormy and blustrous times And that Christ ownes none as being of his side but those who are Called Chosen and Faithfull REV. 17. 14. YOUR LORDSHIP knows assuredly And YOU need not be put in mind by me that they who do wickedly against the Covenant whether God's or Mans are such as are corrupled by slatteries Neither is this without the bounds of YOUR consideration That Without understanding Covenant-breakers ROM 1. 31. are joyned together in the sad Catalogue of those who are given up 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to vile affections ROM 1. 26. and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to a reprobate minde vers 28. As the words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sound alike so are the things thereby signified of like nature and serve not only against Covenant-breakers but against Non-covenanters if the sense of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be well observed There 's onely one thing which remains for me to be YOUR Remembrancer in CHRIST'S promise to the Angel of the Church of Smyrna REV. 2. 10. Be thou faithfull unto death and I will give thee a crown of life Which Grace to be faithfull unto death that it may abide with You and abound and Glory to receive a Crown of life That YOUR LORDSHIP may attain in Heaven after fulnesse of dayes on Earth is and shall be the prayer of YOVR HONOVRS humbly devoted in the service of CHRIST our Lord L. S. To the READER I Know not well how to appeare in Print either with or without an Apologie To speak of mine own insufficiencie especially in matters of Controversie which will too much evidence it self or to plead incumbrance by imployments otherwise is but to put that Question into the mouths of others against me Who required this at your hands And seeing One hath already possessed the mindes or hands of many as he pretends to prove with The Judgement of Reformed Churches and Protestant Divines concerning Ordination c For me to adde more may seem superfluous And to contradict him if his Evidence be true and full whereof he seems to be confident is at the least a rash adventure I know not better how to extricate my self and stand cleare with those who are to judge of all that is hereafter presented but by this ingenuous account It moved me not a little to finde in print some sheets pretending one way and intending another To shew the Judgement of the Reformed Churches this way the Ivie-bush held out and hereupon an Historicall collection out of their Consessions or Agenda's and Books of Discipline might be expected and yet nothing is to be found out of either And that which is produced is only Negative concerning one or two particulars to the sense of the Socinians and Anabaptists rather then agreeable to the generall opinion of those who are Orthodox Whereas Testimony was the fairest way to have proceeded in that 's waved for the most part and a flourish of Arguments serv'd in instead of it I considered on the one hand the presumption of many intruding into the work of the Ministery and taking the profit or ambitious of the credit of it and how Some preach others out of the Calling to preach themselves into it and that of late many Old Errors are revived under the name of New-Light as by some others so by many inordinate or unordained Preachers and People in stead of blessing God as they ought to do for that Ministery which is famous through all the Reformed Churches and to which as a meanes under God Saints in England now living or dead in this last Century owe themselves all that they are do notwithstanding withdraw themselves and separate from it And on the other hand that Both the Houses of Parliament had witnessed against those who Preach unordained and one of them about the time of publishing of those Papers which I direct an Answer unto was in a way of questioning those who Preached contrary to their Order And that it is Ministers duty to strengthen the hands of Magistrates in well-doing when they shew themselves to be as they ought to be Nursing fathers to the good and a terror to the evill And fearing also that the Diatribe was intended in opposition to those proceedings of the Parliament or at least that it might prove prejudiciall thereunto I was inclined to consider of it hoping that as the sheets were not many so the Animadversions which I should need to make upon them would not be long And because I had reason to think he looked not only forward as if Ordination was not necessary for the future but backward as if it were nothing for the time past I thought my self with all other the Ministers of the Church of England the more concerned in his Positions And however some may be offended that Papacie and Episcopacie should be both exploded and yet that that Calling in a way of Ordination which is successively from both or one at least either in deed or in shew should be reteined still and not renounced though in my own particular I am moved at it no more then to find Rahab and Thamar among those through