Selected quad for the lemma: lord_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
lord_n	earl_n	john_n	time_n	10,325	5	3.5686	3	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A92774	The diatribē proved to be paradiatribē. Or, A vindication of the judgement of the reformed churches, and Protestant divines, from misrepresentations concerning ordination, and laying on of hands. Together with a brief answer to the pretences of Edmond Chillenden, for the lawfulnesse of preaching without ordination. / By Lazarus Seaman.	Seaman, Lazarus, d. 1675.; Simpson, Sidrach, 1600?-1655.	1647 (1647)	Wing S2174; Thomason E413_9; ESTC R203508	93,768	122

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token_n that_o i_o will_v be_v thankful_a and_o due_o respectful_a if_o i_o do_v know_v how_o to_o express_v either_o these_o be_v time_n wherein_o truth_n must_v learn_v to_o go_v alone_o &_o to_o stand_v by_o she_o own_o strength_n the_o method_n and_o depth_n of_o satan_n with_o the_o power_n of_o darkness_n be_v all_o improve_v against_o light_n and_o a_o arm_n of_o flesh_n will_v prove_v a_o break_a re●d_n to_o those_o who_o trust_v in_o it_o yet_o i_o shall_v ever_o repute_v your_o lordship_n among_o those_o who_o have_v not_o the_o faith_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n the_o lord_n of_o glory_n with_o respect_n of_o person_n jam_z 3._o 1._o &_o who_o be_v willing_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o contend_v earnest_o for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o the_o faith_n once_o give_v unto_o the_o saint_n judas_n 3._o and_o therefore_o though_o i_o dare_v not_o presume_v or_o in_o any_o wise_a expect_v to_o engage_v you_o on_o my_o part_n in_o the_o debate_n about_o ordination_n 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about_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o call_v that_o have_v a_o strong_a promise_n to_o support_v it_o to_o the_o ●nd_n of_o the_o world_n 〈…〉_o i_o humble_o offer_v my_o part_n in_o the_o answer_n follow_v some_o note_n belong_v to_o the_o treatise_n hereafter_o answer_v omit_v by_o the_o printer_n add_v therefore_o pag._n ●1_n lin_v 13._o to_o the_o margin_n budaeus_fw-la h._n steph._n thes_n p._n 35._o l._n 4._o thes_n ling._n grae._n novum_n usum_fw-la huic_fw-la verbo_fw-la tribuere_fw-la p._n 38._o l._n 16._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apud_fw-la eustach_n thes_n lin_v gre._n tom_n 1._o 1732._o c._n &_o 17●7_n e._n carthwr_n in_o act._n 14._o 23._o p._n 29._o l._n penult_n these_o word_n shall_v have_v be_v setdown_o at_o large_a quicunque_fw-la ad_fw-la docendum_fw-la idoneus_fw-la eligitur_fw-la &_o voco_fw-la suffragio_fw-la &_o voce_fw-la ecclefiae_fw-la be_v verus_fw-la est_fw-la verbi_fw-la minister_n siquidem_fw-la vocatio_fw-la &_o electio_fw-la legitima_fw-la facit_fw-la ministrum_fw-la ordinatio_fw-la verò_fw-la est_fw-la illius_fw-la vocationis_fw-la declaratio_fw-la coram_fw-la coete_n ecclesiae_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la coronatio_fw-la facit_fw-la regem_fw-la sed_fw-la electio_fw-la coronatio_fw-la verò_fw-la est_fw-la sole●nis_fw-la duntaxat_fw-la ren●nciatio_fw-la &_o declaratio_fw-la regis_fw-la aegid_a hun._n contra_fw-la assert_v arturi_fw-la vocatio_fw-la propriè_fw-la &_o essentialiter_fw-la consistit_fw-la in_o electione_n ames_n case_n cons_n l._n 4._o c._n 25_o sect_n 28._o ordinatio_fw-la seu_fw-la consecratio_fw-la nihil_fw-la alind_a est_fw-la quàm_fw-la legitima_fw-la electio_fw-la voet._n p._n 267._o errata_n in_o the_o marg._n of_o the_o answer_n pag._n 3._o for_o essentiaam_n read_v essentiam_fw-la p._n 5._o debeat_fw-la r._n debet_fw-la p._n 6._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d r._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 17._o l._n 29._o mancipitur_fw-la r._n mancipatur_fw-la lin_v 32._o ligere_fw-la r._n eligere_fw-la p._n 18._o l._n penult_n saltem_fw-la r._n solum_fw-la p._n 10._o l._n 13_o after_o praeire_fw-la enim_fw-la add_v debent_fw-la lin_v 14._o cum_fw-la r._n cor_fw-la l._n 25._o essensum_fw-la r._n assensum_fw-la p._n 34._o &_o dominus_fw-la r._n ut_fw-la dominus_fw-la p._n 44._o in_o stead_n of_o the_o word_n there_o find_v in_o the_o beginning_n read_v thus_o omnes_fw-la illi_fw-la actus_fw-la qui_fw-la pertinent_a ad_fw-la vocationem_fw-la vel_fw-la tendunt_fw-la ad_fw-la electionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o answer_n itself_o pag._n 9_o lin_v 1._o after_o et_fw-la add_v pro._n l._n 9_o after_o that_o be_v add_v in_o p._n 9_o l._n 29_o for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d r._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 11._o l._n 3._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d r._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n ●_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d r._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 25._o l._n ult_n comitur_fw-la r._n committitur_fw-la p._n 34._o l._n 13._o after_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 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