Person that committed the Prisoner was understood for the Causâ— captionis or Causâ— detentionis but onely the reason why that Power or Person committed the Prisoner as also in common speech if a man ask why and for what cause a man stands committed the answer is not that such a one committed him but his offence or some other cause is understood in the question and is to be shewed in the Answer But to say that such an one committed the Prisoner is an answer to the question who committed him and not why or for what cause he stands committed Then for that of the Coppy of the Report of 13. Iac. shewed forth by M r. Attorney it was answered That the Report it self which had been before seen and perused among many other things at a Committee made by the House was of sleight or no Authority for that it was taken by one that was at that time a young Student onely and was a Reporter in the Kings-bench and there was not any other Report to be found that agreed with it Secondly although the Reports of young Students when they take the words of Judges as they fall from their mouth at the Bench and in the Person and form as they are spoken may be of good credit Yet in this Case there was not one word so reported but in truth there being three Cases a time in the Kings-bench one Ruswell and one Allen and one Saltonstall every of which had something of like nature in it the Student having been present in the Court made up the form of one Report or Case out of all those three in his own words and so put it into his book so that there is not a word in the Report but is framed according to the Students fancie as it is written and nothing is expressed in it as it came from the mouth of the Judges otherwise then his fancie directed him Thirdly there are in the Report plain falshoods of Matter of Fact which are to be attributed either to the Judges or to the Reporter It is most likely by all reason that they proceeded from the Reporters fault but however those Matters of falshood shew sufficiently that the credit of the rest is of slight value for the purpose It is said in the Report that Harecourt being committed by the Councel was bayled in 40. Eliz. upon a privy Seal or a Letter where as there was no such thing in truth And it is said there that no such kinde of Letters are filed there in any case whatsoever That resolution of the Judges in 34. is miscited there and in 36. of Queen Eliz. and it is said there that by that resolution a Prisoner returned to be committed by the command of the Councel might not at all be delivered by the Court whereas no such thing is comprehended in that resolution But that which is of most moment is that howsoever the truth of the report were yet the opinion of the Judges being sudden without any debate had of the case is of fleight moment For in difficult points especially the gravest and most learned men living may on the sudden let fall and that without disparragement to them such opinions as they may well and ought to change upon further enquiry and examination and full debate had before them and mature deliberation taken by them Now plainly in that case of the 13. Iacob there is not so much as pretence of any debate at Bar or Bench. All that is reported to have been is reported as spoken upon the sudden and can any man take such a sudden opinion to be of value against solemne debates and mature deliberation since had of the point and all circumstances belonging to it which have within this half year been so fully examined and searched into that it may well be affirm'd that the learned'st man whatsoever that hath now considered of it hath within that time or might have learned more reason of satisfaction in it then ever before he met with Therefore the sudden opinions of any Judge to the contrary is of no value here Which also is to be said of that opinion obviously delivered in the Commons House 18. Iac. as M r. Attorney objected out of the Journal book of the House But besides neither was the truth of that report of that opinion in the Journal any way acknowledged For it was said in behalf of the House of Commons that their Journals were for matter of order and resolutions of the House of such Authority as that they were as their Records but for any particular Mans opinion noted in any of them it was so far from being of any Authority with them that in truth no particular opinion is at all to be entered in them and that their Clerks offend when ever they do the contrary And to conclude no such opinion whatsover can be sufficient to weaken the clear Law comprehended in these resolutions of the House of Commons grounded upon so many Acts of Parliament so much reason of Common Law and so many Presidents of Record and the resolution of all the Judges of Englaâ—d and against which no Law written not one President not one reason hath been brought that makes any thing to the contrary And thus to this purpose ended the next day of the Conference desired by the Lords and had by a Committee of both Houses The Proceedings against the Earle of SUFFOLK 14. April 1628. MR. Kerton acquainted the House how that the Earle of Suffolk had said to some Gentlemen that M r. Selden had razed a Record and deserved to be hanged for going about to set division betwixt the King and his Subjects And being demanded to whom the words were spoken he was unwilling to name any till by question it was resolved he should nominate him He then named S r. Iohn Strangwaies who was unwilling to speak what he had heard from the Earle but being commanded by the House and resolved by question he confessed That upon Saturday last he being in the Committee Chamber of the Lords the Earle of Suffolk called him unto him and said Sir Iohn will you not hang Selden To whom he said for what The Earle replied By God he hath razed a Record and deserves to be hanged This the House took as a great injury done to the whole House M r. Selden being imployed by them in the conference with the Lords in the great cause concerning the Liberty of the Persons of the Subjects The House presently sent S r. Robert Philips with a message to the Lords to this effect He expressed the great care the Commons had upon all occasions to maintain all mutual respect and correspondency betwixt both Houses Then he informed them of a great injury done by the Earle of Suffolk to the whole house and to M r. Selden a particuler Member thereof who by their Command had been imployed in the late conference with their Lordships That the House was very sensible thereof and
according to former Presidents made them truly acquainted with it and demaunded Justice against the Earle of Suffolk he read the words saying they were spoken to Sir Iohn Strangwayes a Member of their House After a short stay the Lords called for the Messenger to whom the Lord Keeper gave this Answer He signified the great desire and care of their Lordships to maintain and increase the correspondencies betwixt both Houses and as a Testimony thereof they had partly taken into consideration the charge That the Earle of Suffolk being a Man of great place and Honour had voluntarily protested upon his Honour and Soul that there passed no such words as those from him to S r. Iohn Sâ—rangwayes And the Lord Keeper wished that their Lordships speedy proceedings in this business might testifie their love and good will to the Commons House The next day being the 15. of April S r. Iohn Strangwayes made a Protestation openly in the House wherein he avowed that notwithstanding the Earls denial he did speak those words positively unto him and would maintain it any way fitting a Member of that House or a Gentleman of Honour They ordered that this Protestation should be entered into the Journal book and that a Committee should take into consideration what was fit for the House to proceed to for the justification of S r. Iohn Strangwayes and what was fitting to be done in this case and to examine Witness of the proof of the words Upon the 17. day S r. Iohn Elliot reported what the Committee had done That they had sent for and examined S r. Christopher Nevill who related that upon Saturday being in the Lords Committee Chamber the Earle of Suffolk said thus to him M r. Attorney hath cleared the business and hath made the cause plain on the Kings side and further said M r. Selden hath razed a Record and hath deserved to be hanged and the Lower House should do well to joyn with the Higher in a Petition to the King to hang him and added as a reason For M r. Selden went about and took a course to divide the King from his people or words to that effect And being asked whether he conceived that those words of dividing the King from his people had relation to the whole and general action of M r. Selden before the Lords or to the particuler of razing a Record he conceived they were referred to the general action They had examined one M r. Littleton who confessed he heard the Earle of Suffolk speak to a Gentleman whom he knew not words to this affect viz. That he would not be in M r. Seldens Coat for 10000 l. and that M r. Selden deserved to be hanged The second part of this Report concerned the Particuler of S r. Iohn Strangwayes wherein though the Committee found no Witness to prove the words spoken to S r. Iohn Srangwayes yet there were many circumstances which perswaded them of the truth thereof 1. That the same words in the same syllables were spoken to S r. Christopher Nevill and that the Earle as he called to him S r. Iohn Strangwayes so he called to him S r. Christopher Nevill 2. That the Earle of Suffolk called S r. Iohn Strangwayes to him and spake to him was proved by S r. George Fane and S r. Alexander S â— Iohn at which time the Earle seemed full of that which he delivered 3. That S r. Iohn Strangwayes instantly after his discourse with the Earle of Suffolk went to the Earle of Hartford and delivered him the passages betwixt them being the same related in the house 4. From the unwillingness of S r. Iohn Strangwayes though called upon by the House to testifie against the Earle till it was resolved by question he should do it from a probabillity that had not these words been spoken to himself it is like he would have produced S r. Christopher Nevill from whom he also heard the same 5. From the worth of the Gentleman and his ingenious protestation in the House That he was ready to justifie the truth of what he said in any course the House should thinck meet or was fit for a Gentleman of Honour Hereupon the House resolved by question 1. That the Earle of Suffolk notwithstanding his denial had laid a most unjust and scandalous imputation upon M r. Selden a Member of the House being imployed in the service of the House and therein upon the whole House of Commons 2. That this House upon due examination is fully satisfied that S r. Iohn Strangwayes notwithstanding the Earle of Suffolks denial hath affirmed nothing but what is most true and certain 3. That these particulers and additions be again presented to the Lords and the Earle of Suffolk newly charged at the Bar and the Lords desired to proceed in Justice against the Earle and to inflict such punishment upon him as an offence of so high a nature being against the House of Commons doth deserve S r. Iohn Elliot was partly sent with the Message to the Lords who after a while returned this answer That they had taken the Message into consideration and would further take it into due consultation and in convenient time would return an answer by Messengers of their own Several Speeches made at the debates concerning the KINGS Propositions for supply M r. ALFORD THat to answer punctually to every Article was but to discover the Kings wants which is neither safe nor fit as the world now goes nor is it good for him to ask more then we can give nor for us to offer disproportionably withall it might draw to a president for the Subjects to make and maintain Wars S r. ROBERT MAUNSELL IT had been much better for us to have taken care for these proviâ—â—â— 3. years since His desire is not to have the Commons over-burthened That 7. of these Propositions are not to be neglected viz. The safe guarding of the Coasts The defence of the Elve The defence of 〈◊〉 The increasing of the Navy The repairing of the Foâ—â—â— The discharge of the Arrears of Merchants ships and the defence of the King of Denmark the other to be delayed to our next meeting at Michalâ—as S r. FRANCIS SEYMOUR THat as supply is deâ—ired so are we met for that purpose but if by those late courses we be disabled then he is not to expect it from us our greatest grievances being his Majesties pressing wants two subsedies formerly given and five forcibly and unadvisedly taken are great motives not to be too forward That we have too haâ—tily drawn two great Enemies upon us and all this done by men of small or no judgement S r. PETER HAYMAN THat vast Propositions are delivered to us in shew which he desires he may give an Estimate of that first brought them in M r. PYMM. THat in no Case it is â—â—t to examine the Prâ—positions especially of the Arrâ—arages of the Merchant ships and for preparation of the forreign Wars Secretary COKE THat three things
Duke could alter it 4. That when the Ordinance were shipt at S. Martins the Duke caused the Souldiers to go one that they might be destroyed 5. That the Duke said he had an Army of 16000. Foot and 1200. Horse 6. That King Iames his bloud and Marquess Hambletons with others cries out for vengeance to Heaven 7. That he could not expect any thing but ruine of this Kingdom 8. That Prince Henry was poysoned by Sir Thomas Overbury and he himself served with the same sawce and that the Earl of Sommerset could say much to this 9. That he himself had a Cardinal to his Uncle or near Kinsman whereby he had great intelligence A Privy Seal for the transporting of Horses 30 January 3. CAROLâ— CHarles by the grace of God King of England Scotland France and Ireland defendor of the faith c. To the Treasurer and under Treasurer of our Exchequer for the time being greeting We do hereby will and command you out of our Treasury remaining in the receipt of the said Exchequer forthwith to pay or cause to be paid unto Phillip Burlamachi of London Merchant the summ of 30000 l. to be paid by him over by Bill of Exchange unto the Low-Countries and Germany unto our trustie and well be loved Sir William Balfoore Knight and Iohn Dalber Esquire or either of them for levying and providing certain numbers of Horse with Arms for Horse and Foot to be brought over into this Kingdom for our service 〈◊〉 For the levying and transporting of a 1000 Horse 15000 l. for 5000 Muskets 5000 Corslets 5000 Pikes 10500 l. and for 1000 Curasiers compleat 200 Corslets and 200 Carbines 4500 l. Amounting in the whole to the said summ of 30000 l. And this our Letter shall be your sufficient warrant and discharge in this behalf Given under our privy Seal at our Palace of Westminster 30. of Ianuary in the third year of our raign The Commission to the Lords and others of the privy Councel concerning the present raising of money CHARLES by the grace of God King of England Scotland France and Ireland defender of the faith c. To Sir Thomaâ— Coventry Lord Keeper of the great Seal of England Iames Earl of Marlburgh Lord Treasurer Henry Earl of Manchester Lord President of the Councel Edward Earl of Worcester Lord Keeper of the privy Seal George Duke of Buckingham our high Admiral of England William Earl of Pembroke Lord Steward of our Houshould Phillip Earl of Mongommery Lord Chamberlain of our Houshould Theophilus Earl of Suffolk Edward Earl of Dorcet William Earl of Salisbury Thomas Earl of Exceter Iohn Earl of Bridgwater Iames Earl of Carlile Henry Earl of Holland William Earl of D. George Earl of Totnes Sir George Hay Knight Lord Chaunceller of Scotland William Earl of Moâ—ton Thomas Earl of Kelly Thomas Earl of Melros Edward Viscount Conway one of our principall Secritaries of State Edward Viscount Wimbleton Oliver Viscount Grandison Henry Viscount Falkland Lord Deputy of Ireland To the Lord Bishop of Winchester William Lord Bishop of Bath and Wells Fulk Lord Brook Dudly Lord Carleton vice Camberlain of our Houshould Sir Thomas Edmonds Treasurer of our Houshould Sir Iohn Savill Comptroller of our Houshould Sir Robert Nawton Master of our Court of Wards Sir Iohn Cooke one of the principal Secritaries of our State Sir Richard Weston Chancellor and under Treasurer of our Exchequer Sir Iulius Caesar Master of the Roll. Sir Humfry May Knight Chancellor of our Dutchy of Lancaster GREETING WHereas the present Conjuncture of the pressing affairs of Christendom and our own particular interest in giving assistance to our oppressed Allies and for the providing for the defence and safety of our own dominions And people do call upon us to neglect nothing that may conduce to those good ends And because monies the principall sinews of War and one of the first and chiefest in all great preparations and actions necessary to be provided in the first place and we are carefull the same may be raised by such ways as may best stand with the State of our Kingdoms and Subjects and yet may answer the pressing occasions of the present times We therefore out of the experience we have had and for the trust we repose in your wisdoms fidelities and dutifull care of your services and for the experience you have of all great causes concerning us and our State both as they have relation to forraign parts abroad and as to our Common-Wealth and People at home Ye being Persons called by us to be of our privy Councel have thought fit amongst those great and important matters which somuch concern us in the first and chiefest place to recommend this to your â—peciall care and dilligence And we do hereby authorize and appoint and stricktly will and require you speedily and seriously to enter into consideration of all the best and speediest ways and means yee can for raising of money for the most important occasions aforesaid which without extreamest hazard to us our dominions and people and to our friends and Allies can admit of no long delay The same to be done by imposition or otherwise as in your wisdom and best Judgments ye shall finde to be most convenient in a case of this inevitable necessity wherein form and circumstance must be dispensed with rather then the substance be lost or hazarded And herein our will and pleasure is that you or as many of you as from time to time can be spared from attendanc upon our Person or other our necessary services do use all dilligence by your frequent meetings and serious consultations and when you have brought any thing to maturity ye make report thereof unto us and advertise us of those things ye shall either resolve upon or thinck fit to represent unto us for the advancement of this great service which with the greatest affection we can we recommend to your best care and Iudgement Whereof you must not fail as you tender our honour and the honour and safety of our Dominions and People and for the doing hereof these presents shall be to you and every of you a sufficient warrant In witness whereof we have caused these our Letters to be made Letters Patents Witnes our selfe at Westminster the last day of February in the third yeare of our Raigne Per ipsum Regem Articles to be propounded to the Captains and Masters as well English as French touching the service in hand at ROCHEL 4. May 1628. the ships rideing before the Town 1. WHether in your opnion and judgments by the means and strength we have the Floates and Pallizadoes may be forced and the entrance into the Town may be thereby made for the victuallers 2. If you shall think it fit what in your opinions will be the best and readiest way to open the same 3. Whether you hold it fit to send in the victuallers at the same instant together with the fire ships and barks considering that if it should not take
14 M r. Goodwins speech March 22. pag. 18 Sir Francis Seymour's speech ibid. Sir Thomas Wentworth's speech pag. 20 The speech and Argument of M r. Creswell of Lincolnes Inne concerning the subjects grievance by the late Imprisonment of their persons pag. 21 Sir Benjam Ruddier's speech pag. 27 Sir Robert Phillip's speech pag. 28 Sir Thomas Edmonds pag. 30 Sir Iohn Elliot ibid. Sir Hum May ibid. The Petition for the fast March 26. 1628. pag. 31 The Kings Propositions March 28. pag. 32 Three grand questions ibid. Sir Iohn Coke his speech at a Conference between the Lords and Commons about the Petition to the King against Recusants pag. 33 The Petition of both Houses to his Majesty concerning Recusants March 31. pag. 34 The Kings Answer to the Petition against Recusants pag. 37 The Answer to the same Petition by the Lord Keeper Coventry pag. 38 Sir Edward Cokes speech March 25. upon a Question of law in point of Judgement given in the Kings Bench Mich. 3. Caroli viz. that a Prisoner detain'd by Commitment per special Mandat Regis without expressing a Cause is not Bailable wherein he held negatively pag. 39 The substance of the Kings speech upon the relating of the proceedings of the Parliament to him by the Counsellers of the Commons house of Parliament April 4. pag. 41 The Duke of Buckinghams speech to his Majesty the 4 of April ibid. S r Iohn Elliot in Answer to M r Secretary Coke's message of thanks from the King and the Duke of Buckingham delivered in the Commons house of Parliament April 5 pag. 43 A message by Secretary Coke from the King to the lower house April the 7 pag. 44 S r Benjamin Ruddier's speech upon the Receit of his Majesties Answer to the petition against Recusants pag. 45 The Kings message to the House of Commons by M r Speaker April 12. pag. 46. The petition concerning billetting of souldiers April 14. pag. 47 Nine heads of the House of Commons to the Speaker pag. 49 The Speaker S r Iohn Finches speech upon the nine heads pag. 50 The Kings Answer to the petition concerning billetting of souldiers pag. 53 S r Dudley Diggs his Introduction pag. 54 The Argument made by M r Littleton at the Command of the House of Commons out of Acts of Parliament and Authorities of Law expounding the same at the first Conference with the Lords touching the person of every Freeman pag. 56 The Objections of the Kings Councell with the Answers made thereto at the two Conferences touching the same matter pag. 65 The true Copies of the Records not printed which were used on either side of that part of the debate pag. 70 The Argument which by Command of the House of Commons was made at their first Conference with the Lords touching the liberty of the person of every Freeman out of presidents of Record and resolutions of Judges in former times by M r Selden pag. 76 The whole copies of the presidents of Record mentioned in one of the Arguments made at the first conference with the Lords touching the liberty of the person of every Free-man pag. 92 S r Edward Coke pag. 107 The Arguments of Serjeant Bramston on the Habeas Corpus pag. 111 The Argument of M r Noye upon the Habeas Corpus pag. 117 The Argument of M r Selden upon the Habeas Corpus pag. 122 The Argument of M r Calthrop upon the Habeas Corpus pag. 125 The substance of the Objections made by M r Attorney generall before a Committee of both Houses to the Argument that was made by the House of Commons at the first Conference with the Lords out of presidents of Record and resolutions of Judges in former times touching the liberty of the person of every Free-man and the Answer and replies presently then made by the House of Commons to these Objections pag. 121 The proceedings against the Earl of Suffolk April 14. p. 135 Severall speeches made at the Debatesconcerning the Kings propositions pag. 138 M r Alford ibid. S r Robert Maunsell ibid. S r Francis Seymour ibid. S r Peter Hayman ibid. M r Pimme ibid. Secretary Coke ibid. S r Dudley Diggs pag. 139 M r Spencer ibid. M r Iohn Elliot ibid. S r Edward Coke ibid. S r Thomas Wentworth pag. 146 S r Henry Martin ibid. M r Kirton ibid. S r Robert Phillips ibid. Serjeant Hoskins ibid. Serjeant Ashleys Argument seconding M r Attorney in the behalf of his Majesty pag. 141 M r Noyes Argument April 16 pag. 144 M r Glanvills Argument pag. 145 The Answer of the Judges for matter of fact upon the Habeas Corpus April 21 pag. 146 Iudge Whitlock's speech pag. 147 Iudge Iones his speech pag. 148 Iudge Doderidges speech pag. 149 The Lord chief Iustice his speech ibid. The Earl of Warwick's speech April 21 pag. 150 The Arch Bishop of Canterburies speech at the Conference of both Houses April 25 pag. 153 The five propositions read by the Lord Bishop of Norwich April 25. 1628 ibid. S r Dudley Diggs his speech in behalf of the Commons pag. 154 S r Benjamin Ruddier's speech April 28 pag. 157 The Lord Keeper's speech April 28. pag. 157 The Bishop of Exceter's letter sent to the House of Commons April 28. pag. 158 M r Hackwell of Lincolnes Inne his speech in the lower House May 1 pag. 159 The objections against M r Hackwel's speech ibid. Secretary Coke's message May 1 pag. 161 Secretary Coke's speech concerning himself and the nature of his place under his Majesty pag. 162 Henry Tomson one of the Sheriffs and Robert Henisworth Alderman of the city of York their submission for their indirect choosing of S r Thomas Savil Knight pag. 163 Propositions drawn for the defence of this Kingdome and the annoyance of the enemies of the same by sea ibid. Iudge Andersons speech pag. 165 The Kings message May 2 by Secretary Coke pag. 167 M r Masons speech May 2 ibid. The Speakers speech to his Majesty in the banquetting house May 5 pag. 171 The Kings Answer to the House of Commons delivered by the Lord Keeper May 5 pag. 173 The Lord Cok's speech at the Conference in the painted Chamber presenting the petition of Right May 8 pag. 174 The petition of Right to the Kings most excellent Majesty pag. 175 S r Benjamin Ruddier's speech page 178 His Majesties letter to the Lords spirituall and temporall of the higher House of Parliament pag. 180 The Kings message by the Lord Keeper May 21 pag. 181 M r Masons speech concerning the addition propounded by the Lords to be added to the petition of Right pag. 182 The Reasons of the Commons House delivered by M r Glanvil why they cannot admit of the propositions tendred unto them by the Lords 186 S Henry Martin's speech pag. 188 The Kings speech in the Higher House at the meeting of both Houses Iune 2. pag. 194 The Lord Keeper in explanation of the same pag. 195 The Kings Answer to the petition of Right Iune 2.
in Chambers but publick in Court where every one may hear which causeth Judgement to be given with maturity Your Lordships have heard the particulers delivered by my brethren how that Councel being assigned to those 4. Gentlemen in the latter end of Michaelmass Term their Cause received hearing and upon consideration of the Statutes and Records we found some of them to be according to the good old Law of Magna Charta but we thought that they did not come so close to this Case as that bayl should be thereupon presently granted My Lords the Habeas Corpus consisteth of 3. parts the Writ the Return upon the Writ or schedule and the Entry or rule reciting the Habeas Corpus and the Return together with the opinion of the Court either a remittitur or traditur in ballium In this Case a remittitur was granted which we did that we might take better advisement upon the Case and upon the remittitur my Lords they might have had a new Writ the next day and I wish they had because it may be they had seen more and we had been eased of a great labour And my Lords when the Attorney upon the remittitur pressed an Entry we all straitly charged the Clark that he should make no other Entry then such as our Predecessors had usually made in like Cases for the difference my Lords betwixt remittitur and remittitur quousque I could never yet finde any I have now sat in this Court 15. years and I should know something surely if I had gone in a Mill so long dust would cleave to my cloaths I am old and have one foot in the grave therefore I will look to the better part as near as I can But omnia habere in memoria in nullo errare divinum potiùs est quam humanum THE LORD CHIEF IUSTICE SAith he shall not speak with confidence unless he might stand right in the opinion of the House and protested what he spake the day before was not said by him with any purpose to trench upon the Priviledges of this House but out of that respect which by his place he thought he owed to the King he said concerning the point he was to speak of that he would not trouble the Lords with things formerly repeated wherein he concurred with his brethren He said if it were true the King might not commit they had done wrong in not partly delivering for my Lords saith he these Statutes and good Laws being all in force we meant not to trench upon any of them most of them being Commentaries upon Magna Charta but I know not any Statute that goeth so far that the King may not commit Therefore justly we think we delivered the interpretation thereof to that purpose for my Lords Lex terrae is not to be found in this Statute they gave me no example neither was there any Cause shewed in the Return A President my Lords that hath run in a storm doth not much direct us in point of Law and Records are the best Testimonies These Presidents they brought being read we shewed them wherein they were mistaken if we have erred erramus cum Patribus and they can shew no President but that our Predecessors have done as we have done sometimes bayling sometimes remitting sometimes discharging Yet we do never bayl any committed by the King or his Councel till his pleasure be first known Thus did the Lord Chief Justice Coke in Raynards Case They say this would have been done if the King had not written but why then was the Letter read and published and kept and why was the Town Clark sent carefully to enquire because the Letter so directed whether these men offered for bayl were subsedy men the Letter sheweth also that Beckwith was committed for suspition of being acquaninted with the Gun-Pouder-Treason but no proof being produced the King left him to be bayled The Earle of WARVVICKS speech 21. April 1628. MY Lords I will observe something out of the Law wherein this liberty of the Subjects Person is founded and some things out of Presidents which have been alleadged For the Law of Magna Charta and the rest concerning these points they are acknowledged by all to be of force and that they were to secure the Subjects from wrongfâ—ll imprisonment as well or rather more concerning the King then the Subject why then besides the grand Charter and those 6. other Acts of Parliament in the very point we know that Magna Charta hath been at least 30. times confirmed so that upon the matter we have 6. or 7. and thereby Acts of Parliament to confirm this liberty although it was made a matter of derision the other day in this House One is that of 36. E. 3. N o. 9. and another in the same year N o. 20. not printed but yet as good as those that are and that of 42. E. 3. cap. 3. so express in the point especially the Petition of the Commons that year which was read by M r. Littleton with the Kings answer so full and free from all exception to which I refer your Lordships that I know not have any thing in the World can be more plain and therefore if in Parliament ye should make any doubt of that which is so fully confirmed in Parliament and in case so clear go about by new glosses to alter the old and good Law we shall not onely forsake the steps of our Ancestors who in Cases of small importance would answer nolumus mutare leges Angliâ— but we shall yield up and betray our right in the greatest inheritance the Subjects of England hath and that is the Laws of England and truely I wonder how any man can admit of such a gloss upon the plain Text as should overthrow the force of the Law for whereas the Law of Magna Charta is that no Free-man shall be imprisoned but by lawfull judgement of his Peers or the Law of the Land the King hath power to commit without Cause which is a sence not onely expresly contrary to other Acts of Parliament and those especially formerly cited but against Common sence For M r. Attorney confesseth this Law concerns the King why then where the Law saith the King shall not commit but by the Law of the Land the meaning must be as M r. Attorney would have it that the King must not commit but at his own pleasure and shall we think that our Ancestors were so foolish to hazard their Persons Estates and labour so much to get a Law and to have it 30. times confirmed that the King might not commit his Subjects but at his own pleasure and if he did commit any of his Subjects without a Cause shewen then he must lie during pleasure then which nothing can be imagined more ridiculous and contrary to true reason For the Presidents I observe that there hath been many shewen by which it appears to me evidently that such as have been committed by the Kings Councel
yet may be broken by the word Soveraign power and so the virtue of the Petition taken away The end of the Petition is not to enlarge the bounds of Law but their Liberties being infringed to reduce them to their ancient bounds and shall we by admitting of these words Soveraign power instead of cureing the wound launch it and cut it deeper The next point is the word trust a word of large latitude and deep sence we know that there is a trust in the Crown and King but regulated by Law we acknowledge in penal Statutes the King may grant another power to dispense with the Law but Magna Charta inflicting no penalty leaveth no trust but claimeth his own right therefore the word trust would confound this distinction Our next reason is we think it absolutely repugnant to any course of Parliament to put saving to the Petition In former times the course of petitioning the King was this The Lords and the Speaker either by words or writing preferred their Petition to the King this then was called the Bill of the Commons which being received by the King part he received and part he put out part he ratified for as it came from him it was drawn into a Law But this course in 2. H. 5. was found prejudicial to the Subject and since in no such cases they have petitioned by Petition of Right as we now do who come to declare what we demaund of the King For if we should tell him what we should not demaund we should then proceed not in a Parliamentary course Now for that which is alleadged by your Lordships de articulis sup Chartas that my Lords is not like this that is saving upon particulars But this Petition consisting on particulers would be destroyed by a general saving The saving de articulis sup Chartas are of three aids for Ransomming the Kings Person for Knighting the Kings eldest Son and once for Marrying the Kings eldest Daughter These by the form of the Petition shew that they came not in upon the Kings answer but upon the Petition First then followed the savings which under favour we think are no reasons to make us accept of this saving being not pertinent to the Petition These 23. Statutes 34. E. 1. were made to confirm Magna Charta so that there are in all 30. Acts to set Magna Charta in its purity and if some subsequent Statute have laid some blemish upon it shall we now then make the subject in worse case by laying more weight upon it God forbid In the next place your Lordships reason thus that this which you wish we would admit of is no more then what we formerly did profess when we sent the King word we had no purpose at all to trench upon his prerogatives It is true my Lords we did so but this was not annexed to any Petition for in that manner we should never have done it And here I am commanded with your favours to deliver unto you what a Learned Member of the House delivered unto our House touching this point The King saith he and the Subject hath two liberties Two Mannors joyning one upon another the King is informed the Subject hath intruded upon him but upon triall it appeareth not to be so were it fitting think you that the Subject should give security that he should not inâ—roach or intrude on that Mannor of his because the King had been informed he did so I think you will be of another minde wherefore I am commanded seeing we cannot admit of this addition to desire your Lordships to joyn with us in the Petition which being granted and the hearts of the King and people knit togeather I doubt not but his Majestie will be safe at home and feared abroad Sir HENRY MARTINS Speech MY Lords the work of this day wherein the House of Commons hath implyed the Gentleman that spake last and my self was to reply to the answer which it hath pleased the Lord Keeper to make to those reasons which we had offered to your Lordships conâ—ideration in justification of our refusall not to admit into our Petition the addition commended by your Lordships which reasons of ours since they have not given such satisfaction as we desired and well hoped as by the Lord Keepers answer appeared It was thought fit for our better order and method in replying to divide the Lord Keepers answer into two parts a Leagall and a Rationall The reply to the leagall your Lordships have heard my self comes intrusted to reply to the rational which also consisted of two branches the first deduced from the whole context of the additional clause the second inforced out of some part In the first were these reasons that the same deserved our acceptance First as satisfactory to the King Secondly to your Lordships Thirdly agreeable to what our selves had often protested and professed expresly by the mouth of our Speaker I must confess these motives were weighty and of great force and therefore to avoid misunderstanding and misconceit which otherwise might be taken against the House of Commons upon refusall of the propounded addition It is necessary to State the question rightly and to set down the true difference between your Lordships and us Now indeed there is no difference or question between your Lordships and us concerning this additional clause in the nature and quality of a proposition For so considered we say it is most true and to be received and imbraced by us In toto qualibet parte qualibet syllaba yea and were that the question we should add to this addition and instead of due regard say we have had have and ever will have a special and singular regard where to leave entire Sovereign power were to intimate as if we had first cropt it and then left it but our regard was to acknowledge and confess it sincerely and to maintain it constantly even to the hazard of our goods and lives if need be To which purpose your Lordships may be pleased to remember that strict oath every Member of our House hath taken this very session in these words I A. B. do utterly testifie and declare in my Conscience that the Kings highness is the Supreme or Sovereign Governour of this Realm in all Causes c. and to my utmost power will assist and defend all Iurisdictions Priviledges Preheminencies and Authorities granted or belonging to the Kings Highness or united or annexed to the Impâ—rial Crown of this Realm c. So that your Lordships need not to borrow from our protestations any exhortations to us to entertain a writing in assistance of the Kings Sovereign power since we stand obliged by the most Sacred bond of a solemn Oath to assist and defend the same if cause or occasion so required So that the onely question between your Lordships and us is whether this clause should be added to our Petition and received into it as part thereof which to do your Lordships reasons