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A55624 A modest and true account of the proceedings against Mr. Abraham Anselm, late secretary to the late admirals of the Fleet as they happ'ned and were brought on before the Right Honourable Their Majesties Principal Secretary of State, Their Majesties Most Honourable Privy Council, Their Majesties Council at Law, and as they were examined by the Grand Jury for the county of Middle-Sex at the sessions held at Hick's-Hall, September the sixth, 1693 : in a letter to a friend : together with an answer thereunto. Praed, John. 1694 (1694) Wing P3164; ESTC R8895 11,954 32

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the Admirals of the Fleet with it and withal told him I was the more apt to give credit to what he said for that about a Twelve Month since meeting Mr. Anselm and Sir Richard White in the Pall-Mall Mr. Anselm told me Jack I know that thou art an Honest Fellow and one that has great interest in the Tinners in the County of Cornwal and asked me what Men I could raise in case there should be a Design to bring in King James telling me that in Monmouth's Rebellion I was much for King James and hop'd I would be so still for that he had beard that I would have accepted of King James's Commission I answer'd I was for the Present Government and so we parted And about five Weeks since there came one Captain Peter Wall and acquainted me that the day before there called upon him one Captain Peter Rowe the same afore-mention'd Captain Rowe and discoursing with him about the Affairs of the Fleet and wondering how one Anselm came to be in so great a Post as to be Secretary to the Navy in regard he was a reputed Jacobite He told him that he was so much his Friend that he had unknowingly recommended him to a great Person of Honour as a fit Person to serve King James and that there came a strange Gentlement unto him and acquanted him that his Character was made known to a great Person of Honour from whom he came and that if he were willing to bring in King James again he might have a Ship of Eighty or Ninety Guns and would also tell him the Lord's Name but he refusing the offer as he told me the Gentleman went away and said no more But Captain Rowe finding that Captain Wall gave but little credit to what he said told him he had related the same thing to me and thereupon Captain Wall came to me relating the same Matter and ask'd me if I had heard any thing of it and I told him I had then Captain Wall asking of me what was the best Methods to be used being a National Concern I told them the best way was to write to the Earl of Nottingham and so likewise to the Admirals of the Fleet. And Captain Wall wrote to the Admirals Mr. Killegrew and Sir Ralph Delaval but had no retrurn from themselves but had two Evasie Letters from Mr. Anselm nothing of Answer to what Captain Wall writ or the Matters he accused him with which Letters Captain Wall has in his custody and Copies thereof I have now by me Captain Wall likewise wrote a Letter to Mr. Warre Secretary to the Earl of Nottingham which was Answered the 23d of May last a Copy whereof I have now by me and Captain Wall has the Original which was Answered by Captain Wall about two or three days after that but Captain Wall had no Answer since as he has inform'd me John Praed Sworn before me this 7th Day of June 1693. Nottingham SOME time after Mr. Anselm was sent for and soon after that again I received the following Order which was left at my Lodgings Mr. Praed is desired to attend at the Earl of Nottingham 's Office at Whitehall at Four of the Clock this Afternoon being July the 7th 1693. Francis Clarke Messenger Captain Wall Captain Rowe and my Self came accordingly and having been Examined seperately before the Privy Council Mr. Anselm and my Self were at last call'd in Face to Face And after the Two first Paragraphs of what I had Deposed before my Lord Nottingham were Read by Sir John Trenchard it was asked by my Lord Marquess of Winchester of Mr. Anselm what Acquaintaince he had with Sir Richard White and Mr. Anselm answered he had but little or that he had no great acquaintance with him Then it was asked if he were not Bail for Sir Richard White when he was Clap't up into Newgate upon the suspicion of the French Invasion he answered that he was Bail and when it was asked him what he was Bail for his Answer was for that Sir Richard was his Friend After that it was asked him if he had any more to say for himself and he Answered their Lordships that he had adventured his Life for his King and Country and that being more then I had done he hoped he should have the more and I the less Credit To which I answered by their Lordships leave that Mr. Anselm knew that I had adventured my Life for King Charles the II. and not for his Pay and that since my Case in Chancery was so lately brought to the Bar of the House of Lords their Lordships might please to Remember how much I have suffered for my Country and to consider the present Risque that I was running for attesting the Truth I so accidentally said without any design against Mr. Anselm UPON which we were dismist and sometime after the Two Captains and my Self were Ordered to attend the Kings Council which we did And on the 7th of September in the Morning I was served with the following Subpoena Ticket Mr. John Praed BY Virtue of their Majesties Writ of Subpoena to you and others Directed you are to be and personally appear before Their Majesties Commissioners of Oyer and Terminer at Hick's-Hall in St. Johns-street to Morrow being the 7th of this Instant September at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon to give Evidence on Their Majesties behalf against Abraham Anselm for high Misdemeanour against their Majesties And this you are not to Omit under the Penalty of 100 l. dated the 6th of September 1693. P. Cey To Mr. John Praed I Waited the same Day from Two till Eight and next Morning from Eight till Twelve of the Clock and then I was Sworn with the Two Captains and after them was called in before the Grand Jury I told them what I had to say and they asked me what Men I could pretend to raise in Cornwal I thought that was an Improper Question because I did not pretend to raise any and I answered it accordingly Then one of them asked me if Mr. Anselm was not in Drink or in Jest when he said the words I told them he could not be much in Drink because we had drunk but little but whether he was in Jest or not when he said these words I told them I could not so well tell because a Man may speak a thing seemingly in Jest and yet design it in Earnest But I told them as I told the Lords of the Privy Council that he spoke them after such a manner that I did not take so much notice of them until he became Bail as aforesaid for Sir Richard White And then another asked me if he did not speak the words seemingly in Jest I told them all that I was upon my Oath and my Conscience as well as they and that to my seeming he spake these words after this way of speaking some others And they asking me no more Questions brought it in Ignoramus But one of
in Justification of my self I am to inquire in this Matter and wherein you can be serviceable to me in it I shall think my self very much obliged to you for such Villains ought to be made Examples of Pray upon sight hereof let me hear from you Direct for me at Mr. Grandons Agent for the Victualers at Portsmouth SIR Your Humble Servant Ab. Anselm Portsmouth the 25th of May. Which Letter of Mr. Anselms Captain Wall thus Answered Mr. Abraham Anselm SIR YOurs of the 25th May I have Received by which I see you had seen what I writ to the Admirals Killegrew and Sir Ralph Delaval and if you have not let them see the Letters you have not done well for what I did Inform them was what was told me by one Captain Peter Rowe of your recommending him to be a Captain for King James and for the other is a very honest good Gentleman to whom you inquired where he could raise Forces for King James in the West There was no body but my self when he told me so cannot name his name but is a Man very well known to you and did wish you well and was not willing that your Person should come to any harm but on the contrary was willing that should be known that you being in such a place of such Trust as this might be of bad Consequence to the Nation As to what I write of the Captain there was my Wife in Company when he told it and also told of the same Matter how you had been Tampering with the other Gentleman so on the next day I went and Discoursed the said Gentleman my self and he Confirmed the same of which I thought Convenient to give advice for I think in Duty so to do I have no more to add but that I am Your Obedient Servant at Command Peter Wall Which Letter of Captain Walls Mr. Anselm thus Answered without date SIR I Received yours of the 26th Instant and thank you for letting me know my Accusers your Letters were both delivered to Mr. Killegrew and Sir Ralph into their own hands before I knew any thing of the matter who sent for me to them and gave them me to Read which I could not believe there was so much Villany in Man for as I hope for Mercy from Heaven I am so far from talking with them about any such matter or indeed of business of any kind whatsoever that I have been hardly three times in his Company since I saw him in Venetia and that never at my own Invitation but as he has been Introduc'd by others So that what Malice will invent no Man is secure from but how possible it is for me to prefer him for the service he pretends without the consent of the Admirals your own sense and reason may judge since you cannot but know that no Stranger as he is to them is to be Recommended by a bare Character without produceing Substantial Certificates both of his Ability and honesty from the Parties that have Imployed him Which they must surely remember if I had Recommended any such Person which I am so far from doing that I never did but for one Man in my Life who is known to them and now on Board As for the other Gentleman you mention I presume he is one that Mr. Rowe can Instuence to say what he pleases However I do not take it unkindly of you at all for giving this Information for 't is what an honest Man ought to do I shall take care to inquire into the matter and do my self that Justice I ought to do The Answer to me now shall certainly be shewed to the Admirals from whom nothing of this Matter shall be concealed Sir I am Your Friend and Servant Ab. Anselm This is to assure you I delivered the Two Letters to the Admirals J. Fletcher About the same time also that Captain Wall wrote to the Admirals he wrote a Letter to Mr. Warre one of the Secretaries to the Earl of Nottingham I never saw the Original nor Copy thereof but Mr. Warre thus Answered it White-Hall May the 23d 1693. SIR I Had not your Letter till this Morning and immediately shew'd it to my Lord who Comands me to tell you that he would have you let me know whither you have given the Admirals an Account of the Matter whereof you writ to me And likewise that you will send me the Name of the Person who gave you this Account and such other Circumstances as may be necessary for a full Information I am Your Humble Servant R. Warre WHICH Letter was Answered by Captain Wall who kept no Copy thereof but he writ in the Original to the best of his Remembrance that I was so much Mr. Anselm's Friend that he thought I would be loth to confess what I knew of him SOME time after that Captain Wall came to Town from Southampton and the afore-mentioned Discourse of the Turkey-Fleet being in every Man's Mouth he went unknown to me to the Earl of Nottingham and desired his Lordship that I might be sent for and Examined Whereupon my Lord sent for me by the said Captain and I was Examined by his Lordship as to what I had said concerning Mr. Anselm and my Lord asked me if I could Swear it I assured his Lordship I had said nothing but what was True and could with a safe Conscience take my Oath of it but not with as safe Interest because of the 1500 l. His Lordship ordered me to write down what I had said but because it was long I desir'd an Hour or two's time to do it in which being granted I brought the following Account to his Lordship in the Afternoon ABout two Months since as near as I can remember one Captain Peter Rowe came to me at the Ship-Tavern without Temple-Bar and told me he had a Business to Impart to me that perhaps I would hardly give credit to I asking what it was he told me That there came an unknown Gentleman to his Lodgings and Inquiring for him by his Name he being in the way made Answer unto him hiself The Gentleman told him he was a Stranger to his Person but however had heard of his Character and told him that Mr. Abraham Anselm had recommended him to great Lord from whom he came as a fit Person to take the Command of a Ship of War and that if he were willing to bring in King James again he should have a Ship of Eighty or Ninety Guns and he would introduce him to the Lord that sent him otherwise the Lord was not to be known He made Answer as he inform'd me that he thanked the Lord and Mr. Anselm for their Esteem of him but although he was a Man of Misfortunes yet he was a true Subject to the Government Established and so refused to accept thereof After this asking my Advice what proper Courses he should take in this Matter I told him his best way was to acquaint the Earl of Nottingham or