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A31234 A reply to the ansvver of the Catholiqve apology, or, A cleere vindication of the Catholiques of England from all matter of fact charg'd against them by their enemyes Castlemaine, Roger Palmer, Earl of, 1634-1705.; Pugh, Robert, 1609-1679. 1668 (1668) Wing C1246; ESTC R38734 114,407 289

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been struck at but that the Bishops and Church of Englād felt also the blow and how much Episcopacy is advātageous to Monarchy none can be now ignorant Who therefore My Lords and Gentlemen will be so little pitied as you if you should be twice deceived after the same method and māner But to conclude no Kingdom I dare say looses-so much as ours by their cry against Catholicks for 't is very certainly true were not this a Bar and he who doubts it will soon be convinc'd let him step but beyond Sea that the Spanish Provinces in the Netherlāds and for a small matter with their Kings consent as his case lately stood would joyfully put themselves under the gentle yoak of our easie Government nor are they in Normandy shie to say that had not Papists been so harrassed with us they would not have slipt so many late oportunities of returning to their Lawful Duke and Soveraign FINIS REader I hope this Impressiō will be better thē the last which was very falsely printed For the Printer not only Italicated where he should not and omitted it where he should but also left out some words and changed others as if there had been a private correspondency betweene my Adversary and him for soe I le assure yow I am informed The only alteration I make is putting the Citations out of the Margent into the body of the treatise for I found that it distracted or at least much interupted the Reader in often running from one place to another especially if what I quoted were long I have also added to the list more Catholiques of quality that lost their lives for the King The names I receiv'd from some Ladyes of their Relations who are now become Religious at Paris I have plac't them by themselves after all to put the Readers in mind that they forgett not to insert also those whom hereafter they shall have notice of and had I time to send to friends I doubt not but the increase would be considerable A CATOLOGUE OF THOSE CATHOLICKS THAT DIED AND SVFFERED FOR THEIRE LOYALTY THe Earl of Carnarvan slain at Newbury first Battle Lord Viscount Dunbar at Scarborough and two of his sons much wounded Knights Sir John Smith Banneret who rescued the Kings Standard from the Rebels at Edg●il slain at Alresford in Hampshire Sir John Cansfield wounded at Neubury of which he died a lingring death Sir Hen. Gage Governour of Oxford slain at Collumbridge 11. Jan. 1644. Sir J. Digby wounded at Taunton and died at Bridgewater Sir P. Brown wounded at Naseby died at Nortbampton Sir Nich. Fortescue Knight of Malta slain in Lancashire Sir Troylus Turbervil Captain-Lieut of the Kings Life-Guard slain upon his Majesties marching from Newark to Oxford Sir J. Preston wounded at Furnace of which he died a lingring death Sir Arthur Aston Gouvernour of Red●ling slain at Tredaugh in cold blood Sir Thomas Tildesly slain at Wiggan Sir Hēry Slingsby beheaded on Towerhill Colonels Col. Th. Howard son of the Lord William Howard slain at Peirsbridge Col. Tho. Howard son of Sir Francis at Atherton-Moor The gaining which Battle was principally ascrib'd to his Valour Col. Tho. Morgan of Weston in Warwicksh slain at Newb. first battle he raised a Regiment of Horse for the King at his own charge and his Estate was given to Mr. Pyms son Col. Cuthbert Conniers at Malpass Col. Tho. Dalton of Thurnham mortally wounded at Newbury second battle and died at Marlborough Col. Francis Hungate slain at Chester Col. Poor Governour of Berkley-Castle neer Lidney Col. Will. Ewre son to the late Lord Ewre at Marston-Moor Col. Ra. Pudsey at Marston-Moor Col. Cuthert Clifton slain at Manchester Col. Cassey Bental at Stow in the Wolds Col. Trollop slain at Wiggan Col. William Bains at Malpass Col. William Walton at Tredagh Col. Rich. Manning at Alresford Lieut. Colonels Lieut. Col. Thomas Markham of Allerton slain neer Gainsborough L. Col. Lancelot Holtby at Branceford L. Col. Haggerston at Preston L. Col. Pavier at Linc. L. Col. Jordan Metham at Pontefract L. Col John Godfrey at Tewksbury L. Col. George Preston at Bradford L. Col. Will. Houghton at Newbury Lieut. Col. Phil. Howard slain at Chester L. Col. Middleton at Hopton-Heath L. Col. Michael Constable there also L. Col. Sayr at Nasby L. Col. Scot at Alresford L. Col. Thomas Salvin at Alresford L. Col. Richard Brown at Alresford L. Col. Goodridge wounded at Alresford and died at Oxford L. Col. Congrave slain at Dean in Gloucest Serjeant-Majors Major Cusand slain at the taking of Basing in cold blood Major Rich. Harborn wounded at Malpass dy'd at Kendal Major T. Vavasor slain at Marston-Moor Maior Panton wounded at Cover dy'd at Highmeadow Major Hudleston slain at York Maj. Thomas Ewre at Newbury 1. Major Lawrence Clifton at Shelfordhouse Maior Thomas Heskith at Malpass Maj. William Leak at Newbury 1. Maj. Rively wounded at Naseby dy'd prisoner at London Maj. Richard Sherburn at London Maj. Holmby at Henly Major Rich. Norwood slain before Taunton Captains Captain Marmaduke Constable Standardb●●rer to L. Gen. Lindsey slain at Edgehill Capt. Wil. Laborn and Cap. Mat. Anderton at Sheriff-hutton in Yorkshire Capt. Joseph Constable at Newbury Captain Wiburn slain at Basing in oold blood Capt. Burgh slain at Cover Capt. Thurston Anderton wounded at Newbury died at Oxford Cap. Haggarston eldest son of Sir Thomas in Lancashire Cap. Anthony Rigby at Bazing-house Capt. Richard Bradford at Bazing-house Capt. Kenelm Digby eldest son of Sir Kenelm Digby raised a Troop of Horse at his own charge and was slain at St. Neotes Capt. Ratcliff Houghton at Preston Capt. Rob. Molineux of the Wood in Lancashire slain at Newbury 1. Capt. Charl. Thimelby at Worcester Capt. Robert Townsend at Edge-hill Captain Matthew Ratcliff neer Henly Capt. Richard Wolsole at Newbury Capt. Anthony Awd Capt. Thomas Cole at Newark Capt. Partison at Wiggan Capt. Maximil Nelson at Marston-moor Capt. Fran. Godfrey slain at Sherburn Capt. Tho. Meynel at Pontefract Capt. John Clifton at Shelford-house Capt Abraham Lance. Capt. Robert Lance at Rowton in Chesh. Capt. Anth. Hamerton neer Manchester Capt. Will. Symcots Capt. Lieut. to the Lord Piercy slain at Newberry 1. Capt. Tho Singleton at Newberry 1. Captain Francis Errington of Denton in Northumberland at Rotheran Captain George Singleton at Rotheran Capt. Mich. Fitzakerly at Liverpool Capt. Daniel Thorold at Nasby Capt. Franc. Clifton at Newberry 1. Capt. John Lance at Islip Capt. George Cassey at Hereford Capt. Langdale at Greekhovel in Wales Capt. Carver in Monmouthshire Capt. John Lingen Ledbury Capt. Samways at Newberry 2. Captain John Plumton slain at York Capt. Pet. Forcer at York Capt. Thomas Whittinghā at Newberry Capt. Winkley at Leverpool Capt. Thomas Anderton at Leverpool Capt. Rich. Walmsly at Ormschurch Capt. John Swinglehurst and Capt. John Butler at Marston-moor Capt. George Holden at Usk. Capt. Richard Latham at Litchfield Capt. Tho. Charnock at Litchfield Capt. Rob. Dent at Newcastle Capt. Thomas Heskith and Capt. John Knipe at
the thing Objected Do not you know an Enemy may easily mistake a Mass-Bell for that which calls to Dinner or a Sequestrator glad to be affronted being Constable when 't was the hatred to his person and not present Office which perchance egg'd a rash man to folly We dare with submission say let a publick Invitation be put up against any Party whatsoever nay against the Reverend Bishops themselves and some malicious Informer or other will alledge that which may be far better to conceal Yet all mankind by a Manifesto on the House-door are encouraged to accuse us Nor are they upon Oath though your Enemies and ours take all for granted and true It cannot be imagined where there are so many men of heat and youth overjoy'd with the happy Restauration of their Prince and remembring the Insolencies of the former Grandees that they should all at all times prudently carry themselves for this would be more then men And truly we esteem it as a particular blessing that God has not suffer'd many through vanitie or frailty to fall into greater faults ther are yet as we understand laid to our charge Can we chuse but be dismay'd when all things fail that extravagant Crimes are fathered on us It is we that must be the Authors some say of firing the Citie even we that have lost so vastly by it Yet truly in this our ingenuity is great since we think it no Plot though our Enemie an Hugonot Protestant acknowledged the fact and was iustly executed for his vain Confession Again if a Merchant of the Church of England buy Knives for the business of his Trade this also presently is a Popish contriuance to destroy the well-affected We must a little complain finding it by experience that by reason you discontenance us the people rage and again because they rage we are the more forsaken by you Assured we are that our Conversation is affable and our Houses so many hospitable receipts to our Neighbours Our acquaintance therefore we fear at no time but it is the stranger we dread that taking all on hear say zealously wounds and then examines the business when 't is too late or is perchance confirmed by another that knows no more of us then he himself 'T is to you we must make our applications beseeching you as Subjects tender of our King to intercede for us in the execution and weigh the Dilemma which doubtless he is in either to deny so good a Parliament their request or else run counter to his Royal inclinations when he punishes the weak and harmless Why may not we Noble Country-men hope for favour from you as well as the French Protestants find from theirs A greater duty then ours none could express we are sure Or why should the United Provinces and other Magistrates that are harsh both in mind and manners refrain from violence against our Religion and your tender breasts seem not to harbour the least compassion or pity These neighboring people sequestrer none for their Faith but for transgression against the State Nor is the whole party involved in the crime of a few but every man suffers for his own and proper fault Do you then the like and he that offends let him die without mercy And think always we beseech you of Cromwels injustice who for the actions of some against his pretended Laws drew thousands into Decimation even ignorant of the thing after they had vastlie paid for their securitie and quiet We have no studie but the Glory of our Soveraign and just libertie of the Subjects nor was it a mean argument of our dutie when every Catholique Lord gave his voice for the Restoration of Bishops by which we could pretend no other advantage but that 26. Votes subsisting wholly by the Crown were added to the defence of Kingship and consequently a check to all Anarchy and confusion 'T is morally impossible but that we who approve of Monarhy in the Church must ever be fond of it in the State also Yet this is a misfortune we now plainly feel that the longer the late transgressors live the more forgotten are their crimes whilst distance in time calls the faults of our Fathers to remembrance and buries our own Allegeance in eternal Oblivion and forgetfulness My Lords and Gentlemen Consider we beseech you the sad condition of the Irish Souldiers now in England the worst of which Nation could be but intentionallie so wicked as the acted villanie of many English whom your admired Clemencie pardoned Remember how they left the Spanish service when they heard their King was in France and how they forsook the emploiment of that unnatural Prince after he had committed that never to be forgotten act of banishing his distressed Kinsman out of his Dominions These poor men left all again to bring their Monarch to his home and shall they then he forgotten by You Or shall my Lord Douglas and his brave Scots be left to their shifts who scorn'd to receive Wages of those that have declared War against England How commonly is it said That the Oath of renouncing their Religion is intended for these which will needs bring this loss to the King and you that either you will force all of our Faith to lay down their Arms though by experience of great integrity and worth or else if some few you retain they are such whom Necessity has made to swear against Conscience and who therefore will certainly betray you when a greater advantage shall be offered By this test then you can have none but whom with caution you ought to shun and thus must you drive away those that truly would serve you for had they the least thought of being false they would gladly take the advantage of gain and pay to deceive you We know your wisdom and generosity and therefore cannot imagine such a thing Nor do we doubt when you shew favour to these but you will use mercy to us who are both fellow-Subjects and your owen flesh and blood also If you forsake us we must say the world decays and its final transmutation must needs quickly follow Little do you think the insolencies we shall suffer by Committee-men c. whom chance and lot has put in to petty power Nor will it chuse but grieve you to see them abused whom formerly you loved even by the Common Enemy of us both When they punish how will they triumph and say Take this poor Romanists for your love to King ship and again this for your long doating on the Royal Party all which you shall receive from us Commissioned by your dearest friends and under this cloak we will gladly vent our private spleen and malice We know My Lords and Gentlemen that from your hearts you do deplore our condition yet permit us to tell you your bravery must extend thus far as not to sit still with pity only but each is to labour for the distressed as far as in reality his ablity will reach some
says the King of France will believe what he pleases For his Majesty well knows the Pope gave away France formerly fomented War against Hen. 4. and would do the same against him were it not for his Power and Religion REPLY IX I shewed you before in the sixth Reply that though the Reformed have actually taken away from their lawful Governours so many Dominions yet the Pope never gave away but England and France which nevertheless are still under their proper Soveraigns Consider then whether since the light of the Gospel appeared the Protestant or Popish manner of dealing has been most destructive to Princes and judge if this be an Answer to my demand which was Whether France acknowledging the Pope be not as absolute as Sweden or Denmark that are Protestants If so it follows then that Popery does not enslave a King We are beholden to the Minister for confessing the King of France is of the same Religion with the Pope for I have heard some in England say he was a Protestant Thanks be to God there is no danger of a breach between Rome and France in matters of Faith for as the very Gazets told us An. 1664 when the French Army was in Italy The King having owned the condemnation of Jansenius even then sent to the Pope to prosecute the Jansenists in France Henry the Eighth will be a warning to his Neighbours for revolting hereafter from the Church for instead of a little Ecclesiastical dependence on the Sea of Rome he has embroiled England in perpetual confusion about Religion millions of Sects daily dividing and subdividing each of which pretend they are in the right and each quote Scripture for their Opinions And by the way Reader be pleased to remember that had not this King of ours destroyed Religious Houses all the truly devout Sectaries at present would have voluntarily been cloister'd there who now distract both the Kingdom themselves for having no quiet place to vent that zeal which boyls within they become a prey to a few wicked men that blow up their well-meaning Piety into disorders and sedition Nay many of the discontented Factious themselves who now lie open to the sway and hurry of their own passions would have been glad of such a retreat honorable to all even from the Monarch to the Pesant Therefore I see now why Speed a Protestant when he made an end of his Catalogue of the destroyed Abbies spoke in this manner We have laid to your view a great part of King Henry's ill the waste of so much of Gods revenue however abused But Cambden is yet more tart for he says That many Religious places Monuments of our Forefathers Piety and Devotion to the honour of God and Propagation of Christian faith c. were in a moment prophaned and the Riches disperst which had been consecrated to God since the English Nation first profest Christianity SECT X. APOLOGY Nor will ever the House of Austria abjure the Pope to secure themselves of the fidelity of their Subjects ANSWER X. To this he says the Austrian Family being so linckt to the Pope by possessing Naples Sicily and Navar by his Gift and theire Subjects also being Papists it were a mad way to secure themselves by changing Religion But what is that says he to England where since the extrusion of that trash we call the Catholick Faith the King and people are no more Papists and having been often troubled by us have reason by experience to fear our designs REPLY V 10. To this I reply That the Spaniard being now in actual possession can as well defend these places were he a Protestant as Millan Flanders c. which are not the Popes gift or as well as other Reformed Princes have done their Countries And for the Subjects being Papists that is nothing For all subjects before Luthers time were Papists also The Minister therefore grants me here all that from the first I desired For if our former Kings were considerable abroad and as safe at home as since the change of Religion If the King of France be as absolute as Denmarck or Sweden and if the House of Austria cannot better secure the fidelity of their Subjects by becoming Protestants then by continuing Papists I say it must necessarily follow That Kings and Kingdoms by being Papists are not less absolute then if Reformed and by the same Consequence their Subjects not one whit faithfuller to their Lords by being Protestants then if they were Papists Tell me then where is the Temporal advantage of Reformation and whether our Answerer has not bauld long in vain since he now by this grants me that Kings may be absolute and Subjects faithful under Popery and yet lately he affirmed That Popery is inconsistent with Government by reason of Princes dependence on the Pope in Ecclesiastical matters and that all Papists are prone to Rebellion by the Determination of our Councels Bulls and Divines But the Minister says What is all this to England where Prince and people are Protestants I answer 't is thus much to England That now it is plain 't is an errour that Popery is inconsistent with Government and it also shews that Princes get no power in the long-run by reforming but on the contrary perpetual disorders follow How dangerous we have been to our Protestant Princes shall be discust in the Reflexion on the Popish misdemeanours in the Reigns of Queen Elizabeth and King James But how faithful and serviceable we were to King Charles the First and Second all Europe has sufficiently declared in our behalves SECT XI APOLOGY We shall always acknowledge to the whole World that there have been as many brave English in this last Century as in any other place whatsoever Yet since the exclusion of the Catholick Faith there has been that committed by those who would be fain called Protestants that the wickedest Papist at no time dreamt of ANSWER XI Here he asks what may that be for four or five of our Kings of our own Religion have been murthered by Papists that lately Hen. 4. of France was killed by Ravillac and. Hen. 3. by Frier Clement And besides this we have killed by whole Townships in England Ireland France and Piedmont REPLY 11. What a Volume might there be here writ if every matter mentioned were to be fully discust But these are the artifices of the Brethren that when they know not what to say run to another thing in hopes to puzzle an ordinary Reader who cannot imagine hearing so great a buzze but that there must be something at least of real My assertion in the Apology was That our former English Papists never did such villanies as have been committed since the Reformation To this he answers nothing but impertinently runs to the private Murthers of some of our Kings Is this proportionable Good Reader Who knows not that the Murtherers of Ed. 2. Ric. 2. and Hen. 6. were so conscious of their wickedness that
who was althogether governed by the House of Guise by reason of the great power they had in the late Kings Reign and more especially now because the Queen-Consort was the glorious Mary of Scotland daughter to the Sister of this ambitious Duke The House of Burbon being the first Princes of the Blood were greatly troubled they had no interest in affairs and tried all manner of ways to get into play The Prince of Conde a hot-headed man seeing he could not ruine the Guises by ordinary means calls all his partizās together `among whom Coligni was the Chief to la Ferte an Apennage of his and there he told them they must take Arms to free themselves from the slavery they were in by the ruling Party The fiery youth were all of the Princes opinion to begin the War without delay But Brave Coligni as the Minister calls him replied That this were to ruine them all seeing that though their pretences were fair yet few of the Nation would follow them and on the other side all forreign Princes were in amity with France by the late agreement of the Kings Father If they had a mind he said to do their business home the sole way were to pretend Religion which in it self had an honourable appearance and besides the Calvinists in France were many hating the Guises and wanting only a Head nor would the Princes of Germany or Q. Elizabeth fail to assist them on this score which otherwise could not be done on any account Thus the Brave man not only consented to Rebellion but put them in a holy method effectually to perform it All the Assembly applauded the Counsel of this Achitophel and there-upon Andelot his Brother a most turbulent man and the Vicedame of Chartres rich and debauch were apponted to execute their determinations The manner of the Plot was this To get a great company of unarmed Hugonots to go to Court and there clamour for Liberty of Conscience and free Temples these poor men they imagined should presently be ill treated by the Duke of Guise whereupon the Protestant Souldiers which for that purpose they were to provide would immediately come to their assistance and under pretence that the Hugonots were abused they might fall on the Court and wholly destroy their Enemies Besides this 't was reported that in the disorder the King and his three Brethren were to be made away and God knows whether this last part were not as true as the first seeing after the death of these Children the House of Bourbon Heads of the design should succeed in the Throne But now see how far the Conspiracy succeeded The Provinces were divided to several of the most considerable in each division who were to make ready their Levies against the 15. of March 1560. at Blois a Town unfortified where then the Court resided Godfry de la Barre a Gentleman of Perigort who had left his Country by reason of forgery in a Law-suit and turned Calvinist was made Commander in Chief and according to their success the Prince Admiral and the rest would order affairs The Kings Councel having at last notice of this carries the King without noise to Amboise the better to secure him on a sudden with the present little force they had in readiness On the day appointed the Conspirators come and finding the King gone follow him to Amboise and assault the Castle which being too strong to be presently their's they were by the Mareschal of St. Andrew and others wholly defeated and taken Upon this trayterous attempt the King summons an Assembly of the Nobles at Fountain-Bleau where the brave Coligni grave the King a Paper and said That the Protestants hearing by his Majesties Edict that every Subject might make known his Grievance in this Assembly did present that Petition to him though it were not signed yet when his Majesty pleased it should be by 150000. hands The Assembly for all this arrogance advised against a Toleration but the Hugonots encouraged by these proceedings rose in Arms in several places and filled the Court with complaints of their many insolencies and on the other side the Prince with his Complices set upon Lyons After this the three Estates met at Orleans where the Prince was condemned to be executed and in this disorder the King died Charles the 9 was about eleven years old when he began his Reign so that in his minority the faction of the Protestants being so great the Prince was acquitted and liberty granted for publike preaching Then the Hugonots became so insolent that they massacred many people in Paris burnt the Church of St. Medard rifled Monasteries and committed many such exorbitances The Prince would have seised on the Kings Person at Fountain-Bleau but the Duke of Guise got the King of Navar first Prince of the Blood and prime Commander of State to bring him and the Queen-Regent to Paris which when the Prince of Conde understood and saw himself defeated of his design he told brave Coligni that he had plunged himself so deep that now he must drink or drown and thereupon attackt Orleans and took it using all the inhumane barbarities that can be thought of After this as Rebels are accustomed a Manifesto is set out That he took up Arms to free the Kings Person from the slavery in which the Catholick Lords held him This was directed to the Parliament who again answered That they wondered how it could be said the King was prisoner being in his own Capital City of which Charles of Bourbon the Princes own Brother was Governour where was present the King of Navar Chief Administrator of the Kingdom where the Parliament sat and in fine where all the great Officers of the Crown resided But why do I go to the particulars of this notorious Rebellion To be short Coligni's own words a little before his death will sufficiently declare how great a Traytor he was for just before the Marriage like another Nebuchadnezzar in his pride he said to some of his confidents That neither Alexander nor Caesar could be compared to him because Fortune was their friend but that he dad lost four Battles yet by his wit he stil became more formidable to his Enemies If then this brave man that began the Rebellion as you have heard that lost four Battels against his Prince that seised on so many Towns that disswaded Peace so often when desired and that did so many infamous actions all along shall pass and not be thought a Rebel then I will aver there was never Rebel since the Creation of the World The things Reader which I have here laid down you many find disperst in the first five Books of Davila's History who is an Author thought by Protestants so Authentick and so impartial sparing no body of what Rank or Faction soever that among Historians none hath a clearer fame Having given you a short occount how these Potent Hugonots plagued these two Kings be pleased now to tell me whether it was
when he speaks of the commotions of a Party yet here I am accused to think Rebellion no crime and to excuse their faults because I tell you what Papists in those days said for themselves The Minister can call himself a Loyal Subject and yet defend the Hugonots who were the most notorious and insolent Rebels that any History can shew nor had they any other pretence for the Massacres and continual ravages committed by them but Mr. Calvin and Mr. Beza's telling them God said thus and thus and therefore unless their respective Kings would suffer them to destroy a Religion in quiet possession since the Reign of Clouis they would bring Armies into the field and fortifie Towns against their Liege-Lords as every body knows they did till subdued in the time of Lewis the XIII I think good Mr. Parson I am as well known in England as your self and am sure can find more Protestants of Quality that shall engage for my Loyalty thē you can people of any sort 'T is not this Minister Reader only but others have called my narration of the matter of fact a questioning of Queen Elizabeths Title judge you by my words in the Apology whether it be so or no nor could I omit in honour the Plea of the foregoing age their misdemeanours being every day thrown in my dish But suppose I had questioned her Title there is no Treasonable intention in it I am sure because the Title of our King has no dependance upon that Princesse nor was she the first of our Monarchs against whose right Posterity has argued No body is blamed for saying King Stephen was an usurper or that Edward the Fourths Title was better then that of the three preceding Henry's What is 't then I beseech you were the fact proved against me I have committed that Protestant Authors have not done and worse Sr. Walter Rawley in his Preface of the History of the world has not only something to say against almost all the Kings of Englād but Buck in his Ric. 3 has bastardized Hen. 7 and all his offspring and thereby invalidates theire title to the Crowne either as Yorkists or Lancastrians Nor does Speed refraine from questioning the right of most of our Princes from the Conquest till Henry the fowrth's Reigne Yet none of these have been branded with the Character of ill Subjects 'T is he that is to be accounted wicked who sedititiously descants on Titles to breed Commotions and Disorders The Minister says I defend the calumny of those Catholicks in saying 'T was a very hard question whether the right to the Crown lay in Queen Elizabeth or in the Queen of Scots Reader that which I said was That this was a harder Question then the Dispute of York and Lancaster which cost so much Blood and Treasure and because I would know your opinion I will state these two Questions to you York had the interest of a third brother by Marriage Lancaster that of a fourth Brother and these two dispute about the Crown of England which women are capable of The second Question is this Henry the eighth married his brothers wife who was said to be a Virgin for Prince Arthur was but fifteene and a little more wen he died By this Princess K. Hen. had our Q. Mary and after he had lived with her 20 years he fell in love with a handsome young Lady whereupon he had in short time a scruple of Conscience that it was unlawful to live longer with his old wife because she had been-married to his brother His Conscience being still tender he caused the Scriptures to be searched and found not only there the Marriage to be void but that the Pope himself had no power in England and besides that rich Abbies were also contrary to the word of God Being thus truly informed he threw away Wife Pope and Monks and married the other by whom he had Queen Elizabeth while his first Wife lived 'T was thought by many curious wits that there could be but one of the daughters legitimate because both Mothers were contemporaries and that to Christians the Scripture permits but one wife at a time After the death of this King and his Son 't was put to the Kingdom to decide which of these children were lawfully begotten both Lords and Commons acknowledged Mary for their Queen which was as much to say she was born in true Wedlock Nor did Luther himself fail to disapprove of Queen Elizabeths birth I doubt not but the people were informed of the cause of the Kings scrupule as also that this brother Arthur had never known his wife Nay before K. Henry married Queen Katherine she protested she was a Virgin and offered to be tryed by Matrons The Bishop of Ely also deposed That the Queen whom all even the King himself esteemed for a Saint had often in confession told him she never carnally knew the Prince Nor in the whole examination was there any colourable pretence produc'd but the common vanity of all boys to be thought men before their time For 't was affirmed Arthur should say the next morning after Marriage that he had been in Spain that night Besides this there were those I believe that told the People that though St. John forbad Herod to take his brother Philips wife because his said Brother was then alive for Josephus sayes Herodias parted from her husband Philip in his life time and in contempt of the lawes married Herod yet he never prohibited by those words a Christian to marry his sister in-law if her Husband were dead The Case being thus fancied by the Papists in the time of Queen Elizabeth they argued that if Mary was the true Child then the other was the Natural but Mary was owned Legitimate And my Lord Bacon say's the ligitimation of Queen Mary and Elizabeth were incompatible Ergo the Kingdom not being Elective Mary Stuart the next Legal Heir must necessarily succeed her Yet suppose these Papists were wrong in their conclusion I am sure nevertheless I am still in the right viz. That it is a harder Question to resolve whether the Marriage be Null if a woman marries two Brothers then whether a third or fourth brother has the better Title to the Crown for that was the contest betwixt York and Lancaster But the Minister urges if the Papists thought Queen Elizabeth an Usurper why did not they stir sooner for there was no Rebellion he says in ten years and when after ten it broke out in the North there was not the least mention made of the Q. of Scots or her Title I wish the Catholicks had not only sat still ten years but forty five years also yet to shew you that this Minister will be wrōg in every thing I shall give you a most succinct account of this business Queen Mary of England in the latter part of her Reign was in open war with France and the Qu. of Scots was
because the English have a reluctancy at first to the thoughts of a stranger Nay some Members of Parliament after his admission said openly in the House Th●t no people endued with Natural desire of Preservation would admit a Prince of a beggerly Nation to Reign over them how just soever his claim were for fear of loosing their propriety as dear as life it self and as vigorously to be defended By this therefore Reader may be seen the rancour of the Reformed against the Kings coming in since they durst say such things even after his reception and had not the last Earl of Pembrook wisely pocketted up Ramsey's switching at Newmarket when the people cried Let us break-fast with the Scots here and dine with the rest at London 't was feared that day would have been as fatal to the King as the fifth of November might have proved Papists therefore it seems were not his only Enemies Concerning Huntly's Rebellion I am sure the man is doubly mad in mentioning it for first according to Cambden whom he cites The rising was to help the Spaniards against Queen Elizabeth who had put to death their Queen nor was there ever a formed insurrectiō so gently punisht by a King which argues they had no malice against him Nay his Majesty is pleased to say in his Basilicon Doron That the Puritans had put out many Libellous Invectives against all Christian Princes and that no body answered them but the Papists by which he said the scandal was doubled for they were the Reformed who calumniated and the Catholiques were the only Vindicators Secondly If the Rebellion suppose it as bad as may be of these Lords of another Country of another age must touch us the present Catholicks of England what a blow would this be to the Reformed Religion should I repeat the Scots unparallel'd actions against their Queen The protecting of Bothwel who would have destroy'd King James by the English And lastly omitting the continual slavery he was in the downright Conspiracie of the Gowries against his life Having thus gone through the Paragraph I must come to the nicest Question of all and nice I may call it because it is conjectural only The proposal by the Minister is this Whether if the Queen of Scots had been a Protestant we should have stickled for her and if Queen Elizabeth had not been thought illegitimate whether nevertheless we had not rebelled against her To the first I say viz. We had sided with the Q. of Scots had she been Protestant To the second No That the Papists would not have opposed Queen Elizabeth had they thought her legitimate and of the Ministers own assertions I will make this plainly appear For if according to him the Papists would have set up two Protestants the Lords Darby and Essex who in reality had no right then I say 't is certain they would willingly have embraced the Title of the Stuarts that carried so fair a shew To the second I answer That they would never have opposed Queen Elizabeth had she been thought Legitimate For if as the Minister urged in the beginning they obeyed her whom they thought an Usurper for ten years though she had utterly destroyed their Religion 't is then more then probable had her Title been good in their opinion they had submitted let her Faith have been what it would These doubts being thus resolved by the very Gentleman that proposed them who cares not if he can wound us for the present into what contradictions at last he runs himself I may I hope since he hath shewed me the example propose a Query also and I shall thank him if out of my Reply he gives the Solution I will not urge my Question so far as to suppose the Queen of Scots had been a Protestant but my demand shall be singly this Whether the Reformed in those days would have quietly obeyed Queen Elizabeth had she stood up for the Catholick Religion Reader because the Parson is not ready to give his determination I will tell you my opinion which is that I think they would not and doubtless this cōjecture is not rash when we consider what has been done here and recorded by our Protestant Historians themselves Have we not seen that for the safety of Religion Edward the Sixth gave away by the advice of his Councel the Kingdom to Jane Gray and what Bees could be so busie as Cranmer and Ridley with many thousands more to set up against their lawful Queen Mary that poor Lady who had not right enough by blood and much less if she depended wholly upon the Will for that was void from the beginning according to the known Laws of the Land How many treasonable Books were written against this Queen after she came to the Crown by Mr. Goodman and others asserting That she ought to be put to death as a Tyrant Monster and cruel Beast Will Thomas also conspired to murther her and when he was to be hanged for his Treason he said he died for his Countrey By all which may be gathered the Duke of Suffolke also with many more protestants being ready and Wiat actually in an open and dangerous rebellion how dangerous it was then in England for a Prince to be a Papist though to that day there had never sat but one through Protestant upon the Throne and he a Child about sixteen when he died But now I must descend to a far more tragical example even to the death of the so often mentioned Qu. of Scots who lost her life barely upon the account of her Religion 'T is true Queen Elizabeth considered her own safety but the fury of the Nobility and people without whose incitement she durst not have been beheaded was purely for fear she might have survived Queen Elizabeth and being then the undoubted Successour might have changed Religion as the former Queen Mary had done before If I should urge this barely upon my own word I might be mistrusted therefore what I say shall be out of Cambden who was not only a Protestant but the acknowledged true Annalist of those times He will tell you that after Babingtons Conspiracy in the consultation what should be done with the Royal Prisoner some were for holding her in safe custody but others out of care of Religion would have her tried and exexecuted In pursuance then of this advice she was condemned and the next Parliament the House petitioned for the execution of her Sentence The first reason in their supplicate was for the preservation of the true Religion of Christ and after they had told Queen Elizabeth also of her own danger they harpt again upō the former string desiring her to remēber Gods fearful judgments upon Saul and Ahab for their sparing Benhadad and Agag two wicked and profane Idolaters In fine when the fatal day came though they were so very severe as to deny her being a Guest and a free Princess what all Embassadours
have viz. a Preist to assist her at her death she was again recomforted when she knew by the Earl of Kent that she died for her Faith for he told her that her life would be the destruction of their Religion Reader I must now here end and cannot but ask this Question If the Reformed have for defence of their Religion effected the death of their Queen or at least undoubted Heir and if they have set up Jane Gray that had no title because their lawful Prince was Catholick who have been I would fain know in England more faulty in this case they or we Pray what advantage has this Minister got by loading us with crimes of which we are innocent And if as he urges in the beginning we obey'd Q. Elizabeth ten years without stir it then shows that Papists can be obedient to a Prince of another Religion though they doubt their right whenas the former Protestants would do any thing rather then permit a Catholick to govern let the Title be never so just Judge now Reader whether it be not superlative injustice to incense the World against us as if our Religion taught nothing but blood and theirs all gentleness imaginable I must invoke both Angels and Men to consider our wrong who are termed trayterous in our Principles even to this day We in our own persons have shewed all the duty that men can fancy and for our Ancestors you have seen what their Plea is if it be bad they have justly suffred if other wise let them then feel your anger who would deceive you thus with lies and remember that 't is not possible a Religion which governed England with glory so many years can teach a Doctrine destructive to Princes or infuse Maxims that will breed commotions among the people SECT XXIII APOLOGY 'T was for the Royal House of Scotland that they suffered in those days and 't is for the same illustrious Family we are ready to hazard all on any occasion ANSWER XXII Sir We have found you notoriously false in that which you affirm Pray God you prove true in that which you promise SECT XXIV APOLOGY Nor can the consequence of the former procedure be but ill if a Henry the Eighth whom Sir Walter Rawleigh and my Lord Cherbury two famous Protestants have so homely characterized should after twenty years co-habitation turn away his wife and this out of scruple of Conscience as he said when as History declares that he never spared woman in his lust nor man in his fury ANSWER XXIV This Character he says agrees better with some Heads of the Church then with King Henry the Eighth of whom better Historians naming Thuanus say better things but if he were such a Monster 't was for want of a better Religion for he was of ours except in the point of Supremacy and therefore I have no reason to flurt at him except having undertaken to colour Treasons I think 't is something towards it to bespatter Kings I use he says the same Art in the next Paragraph to excuse the Powder-Treason calling it a misdemeanour the fifth of November a Conjuration all soft words but deal hardly with the great Minister of State whom I make the Author of it as if the State had conspired against the Traytors not the Traytors against the State Then he tells the old Story of the Gunpowder-Plot and how discovered by my Lord Mounte●gles Letter and also how the Jesuites Baldwin Hammond Tesmond and Gerrard were named by the Conspirators as privy with them The Narration is in any Book that treats of King James and well known by every body therefore for brevities sake I have omitted it here REP. to ANSW XXIV Reader If the Character do agree better with many heads of our Church then I say in Gods name let it be given them But I much admire how Thuanus comes to be esteemed a better historian in English affairs then Sir Walter Raleigh or my Lord Cherbury whom we poor English-men think very excellent But why do I trouble you wi●● the extravagancies of this strange man w●● when he finds as he fancies a present expedient cares not though he be forc'd to deny it again in the next page What I have said of Henry the Eighth these two famous men have said it and a thousand times worse though they were Protestants and the first of them the great admirer of his Mrs. the daughter of this very Prince Nay omitting the unexpressable foul Language of the Reformed at home and abroad especially of Luther himself the Bishop of Hereford a Member of the Church of England calls him unsatiable glutted with one and out of variety seeking to enjoy another I shall speak no more to this nor any thing separately to the next four Paragraphs for they all concern the Powder-Treason You shall see what he says to each of them and then my Answer shall follow in one intire discourse SECT XXV APOLOGY Now for the fifth of November with hands lifted up to Heaven we abominate and detest ANSWER XXV Here he asks Whether it be the Festival 〈◊〉 the Treason we abominate and detest If the 〈◊〉 he says he will believe us without lifting 〈◊〉 our hands If the Treason he asks why we do not call it so which while we cannot afford to do lifting up our hands will never perswad 〈◊〉 we abominate and detest it SECT XXVI APOLOGY And from the bottom of our hearts say that may they fall into irrecoverable perdition who propagate that faith by the blood of Kings which is to be planted in truth and meekness only ANSWER XXVI He says I should be cautious of throwing such Curses for fear of hitting our Father the Pope as the Philosopher told the son of a common-woman that threw stones among a multitude SECT XXVII APOLOGY But let it not displease you Men Brethren and Fathers if we ask whether Ulisses be no better known or who has forgot the Plots of Cromwel framed in his Closet not only to destroy many faithful Cavaliers but also to ●ut a lustre upon his Intelligence as if nothing could be done without his knowledge Even so did the then great Minister who drew some few ambitious men into this conjuration and then discovered it by a Miracle ANSWER XXVII Here he calls me Apostle and Poet full of Gravity and Fiction Then he says I would make the World believe they were drawn into this Plot by Cecil yet am so wise as not to offer to prove it but would steal it in by the example of Cromwel Again he says admitting this for true they were Traytors nevertheless in doing what they did had there been no Cecil in the World and therefore the excuse only implies they had not wit to invent it though they wanted not malice to execute it for according to my illustration as the Cavaliers whom Cromwel drew in had their Loyalty abused and were nevertheless faithful still so the Powder-Traytors whom Cecil
drew in had their disloyalty out witted and were nevertheless Traytors still For 't is clear by being drawn in both parties were sufficiently disposed for it What I lay upon Cecil he says is a groundless and an impudent Fiction which I am properly the author of for no body ever spoke it before but in railery He asks by what Tradition or Revelation I received it sixty years after the fact when as neither K. James nor Bellarmine nor the Apologists of that age knew any thing of it He desires to know who were Cecils setters that would be hanged that his art might not be suspected for none were saued and Garnet said he would give all the World to clear his name and Conscience of the Treason These are strong presumptions for the Negative of Cecils having no hand in the Plot but he says there is only my bare word for the affirmative which if it be enough ●ere is a never-failing Topick to write Apologies for any Villany viz. that the then great Ministers of State drew them in In Queen Elizabeths days we had a higher game to fly at to wit her Title to the Crown but durst not make so bold with King James otherwise we had not stoopt to a Minister of State He says farther that I strive to diminish the Plot by calling the Plotters Desperadoes who could not be called so by reason of Poverty because their Estates were great nor by reason of discontents for there was not a man as King James said that could pretend a cause of grief If the cause was because they had not all they desired it is so far from excusing them that it gives occasion to suspect me I ought he says to call the Discovery a Miracle because King Iames named it so and especially since Bellarmine acknowledged it so but 't is no wonder that I who will not call the Plot Treason will not allow the Discovery to be a Miracle SECT XXVIII APOLOGY This will easily appear viz. how little the Catholique Party understood the design seeing there were not a score of guitlty found though all imaginable industry was used by the Commons Lords and Privy-Councel too ANSWER XXVIII He says few understood the very design for 't was not safe to tell it many but Papists generally knew there was a design and pray'd for the success of it Though but a score were in the Plot yet fourscore appeared in Rebellion nor is it probable so small a number could think to do much by surprizing Princess Elizabeth unless they expected other assistance But Treason he says is hated by all when unsuccessful REPLY to ANSW XXVIII 'T was never in my heart and so will all that know me testifie to think that the Conspirators in this Treason were not Traytors in the highest degree or that any punishment could equal the blackness of their offence In the Apology I am sure there are no words that can be rackt to this for my intent there was only to shew in short that the Catholick body was innocent knowing nothing of the entreprize That the Plot for which these were executed was made or at least fomented by the Policy of a great Statesman And lastly though the design had been suggested by Papists alone and unanimously approved by all yet we that live now are guilty of no sin and therefore 't were severe to be punisht for it That the Catholick Body had no hand in the Treason most plainly appears by the quality of the Actors and by the number of them I know there were four or five Gentlemen of Ancient blood engaged but I look upon that as no wonder for out of the first twenty Catholicks accidentally met I 'll lay a considerable wager to find as great Families as any were there unless that of the Percies yet this Percy was a man of no fortune nor am I certain though I well know my Lord Northumberlands Relations whether really he was a kinsman or only for names sake called his Cozen. A Plot is lookt upon as general when a good number of the Chief of a Party are intrigued in the design The Catholick Noblemen were then not only as considerable as any but also the considerablest of the Nation for at that time there being no Duke but the late King the first Marquess the first Earl the first Viscount and the first Baron were of our Profession and I believe 't will be granted that the Lords Winchester Arundel Mentacute and Abergavenny and so proportionably the rest of the Papal Nobility had Estates able to be Partizans if they thought fit in any conjuration Now none of these Noblemen nay not one of all the Peers nor any more of the Gentry then the Traytors whom I will by and by mention had a hand in the design therefore to call this as the Minister and others do an universal Popish Plot is in it self a contradiction or at least a riddle beyond my capacity to unfold For the number of these Gunpowder Traytors they were but thirteen Laymen in all whereof four viz. Catesby Percy and the two Wrights were killed in the apprehending Tresham died in the Tower And eight suffered as Faun Keys Ba●e● Graunt Rookwood the two Winters and Digby and 't is evident there were no more of the Cōspiracy seeing that in all their examinations no Gentleman was discovered which could not happ● out of design to save their friends because several secret particulars they revealed and Baldwin Hammond Tesmond and Gerard being Jesuites were as the Minister says found Actors in the Plot. If then the Malefactors did accuse their Confessors as our Adversarys calls them certainly they would never have spared others had there been any more guilty Besides this of their accusing no-body the Commons Lords and Privy Councel were so vigilant that they left no stone unturn'd to find the depth of the Plot and to shew how nice they were in all manner of suspitions the Lords Sturton and Mordant two Catholicks were fined only because absent from the House that day by which 't is plain they were so far from finding positive proof that there was not the least glimpse of any thing otherwise they would never have descended to so slight a possibility for there is not a day wherein the Parliament sits but there may be found more Catholicks out of the House then were then Nay the circumspection was so great that my Lord Northumberland a protestant was imprisoned for many years as thought perchance to know somewhat because being Captain he had admitted Percy into the Band of Pensioners Thus Reader you see how impossible it is that the Catholick Party were involved here in and for the fourscore that appeared with them in Rebellion they were only Servants and Horse-boys who as Sanderson says were watcht hourly for fear of quitting their Masters and this also Speed confirms affirming that these were ever ready to steal from the Conspirators and that more care was
draw them as we see by a hundred years experience into perpetual confusion and discord SECT XXXXI APOLOGY Yet this is a mis fortune we now plainly feel that the longer the late transgressors live the more forgotten are their crimes whilst distance in time calls the faults of our Fathers to remembrance and buries our own allegeance in eternal Oblivion and forgetfulness ANSWER XXXXI We can now allow you to complain and commend your selves without measure having proved already that you do it without cause SECT XXXXII. APOLOGY My Lords and Gentlemen Consider we beseech you the sad condition of the Irish Souldiers now in England the worst of which Nation could be but intentionallie so wicked as the acted villanie of many English whom your admired Clemencie pardoned Remember how they left the Spanish service when they heard their King was in France and kow they forsook the emploiment of that unnatural Prince after he had committed that never to be forgotten act of banishing his distressed Kinsman out of his Dominions These poor men left all again to bring their Monarch to his home and shall they then be forgotten by You Or shall my Lord Douglas and his brave Scots be left to their shifts who scorn'd to receive Wages of those that have declared War against England ANSWER XXXXII. He says That to swell our Bill of Merits I take in the Irish and Scotish Souldiers as if they were a part of English Catholicks and as if I were the first that thought of them God forbid he says they should not be considered and he is neither good Christian no nor good Subject that would not contribute his proportion to it But he says I have a drift in mentioning the Irish for I mingle them with the worst of that Nation namely with those infamous Butchers that cut the throats of at least an hundred thousand Protestants It was so black an action that I knew not how to mention it in its proper place viz. after the French massacre because I had not wherewith to colour it but being still conscious it was a blot on our cause I thought fit to place it here that these brave men might mend the hue of the action He says further I deal as ill with the English Royallists by affirming they pardoned many English whose acted villanies were so wicked that the worst of the Irish could be but intentionally so wicked REPLY to ANSW XXXXII. Pray Reader consider the wicked folly of this man for here he denies us a part in the good actions of the Irish and yet all along he has laid their ill actions at our door nay in this very Paragraph he twits us with it when he says I was conscious it was a blot on our cause but I will pass by this as usual and go on Truly Reader the case of the Irish in Arms toucht me as neer as my own concerns and pray see the strange Hypocrisie also of this Minister that says God forbid these poor Souldiers should not be considered and that he is neither good Christian nor Subject that would not contribute to it and yet in the same exhortation endeavours all he can to have the Laws executed which must needs force these forlorn men either to beg or steal By this we may find what his contribution is and therefore God deliver all honest men from such a merciless creature and was ever man so abominable knowing many of the Kings Judges were pardoned to reproach my assertion that the worst of this Nation be but intentionally so wicked as the acted villany of many English whom the clemencie of the Parliament pardoned Is not this in plain terms to say that the business of Ireland was greater then the Rebellion of England and horrid Murther of our Gratious King which has drawn an eternal disgrace upon the whole Nation in general If this man who uses the word US at every turn ranking himself thereby among the Royallists be a Royallist then I 'll hereafter say that Bradshaw was one also SECT XXXXIII APOLOGY How commonly is it said That the Oath of renouncing their Religion is intended for these which will needs bring this loss to the King and you that either you will force all of our Faith to lay down their Arms though by experience of great integrity and worth or else if some few you retain they are such whom Necessity has made to swear against Conscience and therefore will certainly betray you when a greater advantage shall be offered By this test then you can have none but whom with caution you ought to shun and thus must you drive away those that truly would serve you for had they the least thought of being false they would gladly take the advantage of gain and pay to deceive you ANSWER XLIII He asks me who are said to intend this Oath if it be those that have no Authority 't is frivolous if such as have Authority 't is false and he farther says that he verily believes 't was never said thought nor wisht by any one that loved either the King or Peace of the Nation REP. to ANS XLIII The Minister is here just as he uses to be for many were upon this account disbanded before he put out his Answer and since all the rest of the Catholiques have been cashiered as 't was expected by every body when he writ SECT XLIV APOLOGY We know your wisdom and generosity and therefore cannot imagine such a thing Nor do we doubt when you shew favour to these but you will use mercy to us who are both fellow-Subjects and your own flesh and blood also If you forsake us we must say the world decays and its final transmutation must needs quickly follow ANSWER XLIV Here you imagine for the Souldiers and imagine for your self and as if you really thought your self in danger you begg for mercy of the Royallists in such words as your Predecessor the first Moderator used to the Rebels Only for the last strain we do not know that any one hit upon it before nor do believe that any one will ever use it again SECT XLV APOLOGY Little do you think the insolencies we shall suffer by Committee-men c. whom chance and lot has put into petty power Nor will it chuse but grieve you to see them abused whom formerly you loved even by the Common Enemy of us both ANSWER XLV It seems Committee-men are intrusted with his Majesties Authority or none must use it against Papists for fear of being accounted Committee-men It is time to have done when we are come to the dregs of your Rhetorick SECT XLVI APOLOGY When they punish how will they triumph and say Take this poor Romanists for your love to Kingship and again this For your long doating on the Royal Party all which you shall receive from us Commissioned by your dearest friends and under this Cloak we will glady vent our private spleen and malice ANSWER XXXXVI Sir though you set your self to
speak Tragically this does rather seem a piece of Drollery But you have your design either way for no man can read it but he must either laugh or shake his Head SECT XXXXVII APOLOGY We know My Lords and Gentlemen that from your hearts you do deplore our condition yet permit us to tell you your bravery must extend thus far as not to sit still with pity only but each is to labour for the distressed as far as in reality his ability will reach some must beseech our Gracious Soveraign for us others must again undeceive the Good though deluded Multitude Therefore all are to remember who are the prime raisers of the Storm and how through our sides they would wound both the KING and You for though their hatred to our selves is great yet the enmity out of all measure encreases because we have been yours and so shall continue even in the fiery day of trial Protect us we entreat you then upon all your former Promises or if that be not sufficient for the sakes of those that lost their Estates with you many of which are now fallen asleep But if this be still to weak we must conjure you by the sight of this Bloody Catalogue which contains the Names of your murthered Friends and Relations who in the heat of Battail perchance saved many of your Lives even with the joyful loss of their own ANSWER XLVII In answer to this last he has nothing to say but that the Rebels harrassed the Papists to make the King odious and enrich themselves That we were necessitated to what we did either for Subsistance or Protection but the Protestants had no such necessity Concerning the Estates we lost the sum of his answer is That after the Rebels had devoured ours they fell upon the Protestants with more colour and nevertheless appetite REPLY to ANSW XLVII For our necessity other then our Duty to engage for his Maiestie I have answered it at large in the Preface For the loss of our Estates I say here is an excelent encouragement for Subjects according to this mans Doctrine But I see by the whole manner of his writing that he is some inconsiderable man whose name would be as little known if prefixt as it is now being concealed and therefore there is no wonder if what he writ be inconsiderable also Concerning the Catalogue of those brave Catholicks that laid their lives down for their King the Minister saith thus ANSWER XLVIII That he can reckon a far greater number of Protestants then I can pretend to do Papists Secondly that I have omitted many in my List which he could name but this he thinks was out of design that I might more excusably reckon some names which I ought to have omitted viz. My Lord of Carnarvan who he says in his extremities refused a Priest and ordered the Chaplain of his Regiment to pray with him REPLY to ANSW XLVIII For my Lord Carnarvan Reader you must know he was a Ward taken by my Lord Pembroke from his Catholique Mother and then married to his Daughter In the Army my Lord never marched without a Priest whē he was wounded to death he sent for his Brother in law the Lord Herbert late M. of Worster and desired him to go tell the King That he could do no more then die in his Quarrel and if he would grant him but this request he would think his Majesty sufficiently recompenced him for his life His petition was That his Mother might have the breeding up of his Son and the end of this he said was That the Child might be educated in the Catholick Religion After this he received all the rites of the Roman Church and died in the arms of a Priest now alive that belonged to many of my Lords Relations Concerning my Catalogue in general you must know Reader I have been often chid at London for omitting so many considerable Catholicks but this I could not help for the Catalogue was collected by Mr. Blunt as I take it who is to be much commended for his pains When I printed the Apology I was in such hast that I had not time to examine it nicely among my friends I am now Reader also a great way from London and therefore am forc'd to print it again without amendmēts all that I can do at present is to desire a leaf or two of white paper be added in which we may write down as we shall from time to time be informed the names of those Heroick men that died in defence of their King and Country I wonder very much that this Minister is not ashamed to urge such a foolish thing viz. That more Protestants dyed in this War then of our Religion This no body doubts of and may well be seeing we are not the hundredth part of the Nation and yet by my imperfect List it appears that there were killed 190. Catholiques of Quality when as by the List called the Royal-Martyr and printed by Thomas Newcomb 1660. there died in the War but 212. Protestants the rest there named being Papists as you may see if you compare their names with my Catologue Let the Word then judge whether we ought not to have some compassion shewed us and not to be thus calumniated by every impertinent Scribler Reader those that follow are the Ministers exhortations which are so like the Pedantry of his pulpit that they alone without the rest would have assured me of the Authors calling That you may see what they are I have divided them into eight several Advices or Desires for so he is pleased to call them First Sect. He desires us to be content with our condition and not under value the Liberty we now enjoy if it exceed what was granted our Fathers To this I say Reader that we are contented with any favour yet 't would be no arrogance if we require more them our Fathers had because it seems the Minister counts them all Traytors when as we as all the World knows have shewn the utmost duty that Subjects can do Second Sect. Not to proclaim about the World for the paring of our nayls that we are persecuted To this I will give a larger Answer in the Postscript and will only say here that I defie any man to shew me in Christendome a Party that bears their misfortunes with more submission then we Third Sect. To abhor them that wish disturbances or Invasions to settle Popery To this I say I think that nothing can make it more manifest that we do abhor such men then to see that all catholicks detested the French evē then when we were forsakē by our friends and they as most thought upō the point of landing Fourth Sect. To keep our Religiō to our selves and not expect such harvests as we had in the late confusions I say Truly we are like to keep it to our selves for 't is too severe to be embraced by Worldlings and if care be not taken the same times will come again
Bindle Capt. Thomas Eccleston at Bindle Capt. John Hothersal Capt. Nic. Anderton at Gre●noo-Cattle Capt. Anthony Girlington Lancaster Capt. Francis Rou● in Dean-Forrest Capt. Randolph Wallinger at Cover Capt. Christoph Wray slain at Bradford Capt. Wil. Rookwood at Alresford Capt. Rob. Rookwood at Oxford Capt. Hoskins slain at Lidney in cold blood Capt. Phil. Darey at Lidney Capt. Wil. Jones at Ragland Capt. Henry Wells wounded at Newberry 2. died in prison at London Capt. Richardson slain before Taunton Captain Tho. Madden slain in Woodstreet by the Fanaticks Jan. 1660. Inferiour Officers Lieut. Will. Butler slain at Newberry Lieut. Rich. Osbalston at Leeds Lieut. George Hothersal at Leverpool Lieutenant William Girlington at Leverpool Lieutenant John Kulcheth at Worral Lieut. William Singleton at Marston Lieut. Peter Boardman at Bradford Lieutenant Short slain neer Glocester Lieut. Rich. Bradford at Blechington Lieutenant James Bradford at Blechington Lieut. Tho. Kinsman at Lincoln Lieutenant John Birch at ●irmicham Lieutenant Staley at Rushall-Hall Cornet William Culchereth at Newberry Cor. Deinton at Cardiff Cor. Robert Lance in Cheshire Cor. Edward Walker at Burton Cor. Miles Lochard at Gooderidge Gentlemen-Volontairs Mr. Edward Talbot brother to the now Earl of Shrewsbury slain at Marston-moor Mr. Char. Townly and Mr. Charles Sherburn there also Mr. Nicolas Timelby at Bristow Mr. Pool of Worral at Bristow Mr. John Tipper at Ne●●am Mr. Christopher Blount at Edg●alston Mr. Theodore Mouse at Langpo●● Mr. Gerard Salvin at Langpo●● Mr. Francis Darcy at Langpo●● Mr. Wiburn at Basing Mr. Robert Bowles at Basing Mr. Wil. Stoner at Basing Mr. Price of Washingly in Northamptonsh slain at Lincoln in cold blood Mr. Cuthbert Ratcliff slain at Newcastle Mr. Thomas Latham at Newarck Mr. Andrew Giffard at Hampton Mr. ●ew is Blount at Manchaster Mr. Cary ād M Gēnings at Shelfordhouse Mr. James Anderton in Wales Mr. Thomas Roper at Gootheridge Mr. Stephen Pudsey in Hold●rness Mr. Francis Pavier at Marston Mr. James Banton at Cover Tho. Pendrel at Stow. Mr. Boniface Kemp and Mr. ●●lde●ons Hesket slain neer York in cold blood Mr. Mich. Wharton at Scarborough Mr. Errington at Chester Tho. West by Doctor of Physick at Prestō Mr. Peter Davis at D●nbigh Mr. Edward Davis at Chester Mr. Bret at Chester Mr. Roger Wood at Chester Mr. Henry Lawson at Melton Mr. Tho. Craithorn the elder at Uphaven Mr. Henry Johnson at Uphaven Three so●● of Mr. Kitby of Rancliff John Witham at Preston Wil. S●lby at Preston John 15. 13. Greater love then this no. man hath then that one lay down his life for his friend Major General Will. Web. so wounded at Newberry by Case-shot that he lives a dying life The Names of such Catholicks whose Estates both Real and Personal were sold in persuance of an Act made by the Rump Iuly 16. 1651. for their pretended Delinquency that is for adhering to their King IOh. Lord Marquess of Winchester who so valiantly defended Basing-house Henry Lord Marquess of Worcester who has been at least 300000. l. looser by the War Francis Lord Cottington Lord John Sommerset Marmaduke L. Langdale and his son Sir John Winter who so stoutly defended Lidney-house Sir Thomas Tildesly himself slain and his Estate sold Sir Hen. Slingsby beheaded at Tower-hill and his Estate sold Sir Piercy Herbert now Lord Powys Sir Francis Howard Sir Henry Bedingfield Sir Arthur Aston Governour of Reading Sir Tho. Haggerston Rog. Bodenham Esq Charles Townly Esq Row land Eyre Esq Peter Pudsey Esq John Giffard Esq Other Catholicks whose Estates were sold by an Additional Rump-Act made Aug. 4. 1652. HEnry Lord Viscount Dunbar and his sō Sir Wil. Vavasor Sir Edw. Ratcliff Thomas Clifton Esq Peter Gifford of ●hillington Esq Walter Fowler of St. Thomas Esq Thomas Brook of Madely Esq Francis Biddulph of Biddulph Esq William Middleton of Stocton Esq Nicholas Errington Esq Lance Errington Esq Henry Errington Esq John Jones of Dingestow Esq John Weston Esq Phil. Hungate Esq Rob. Dolman Gent. Rich. Masley Gent. Geo. Smith Gent. Ralph Pudsey Gent. More Catholicks whose Estates were sold by another Rump-Act made Novemb. 18. 1652. HEnry Lord Arundel of Wardor who raised a Regiment of Horse for the King and whose Castle of Wardor was so gallātly defēded against Edward Hungerford Henry Lord Marley and Monteagle William Lord Ewre William Lord Powis who kept long his castle of Powis against the enemy and afterwards taken in it and thereupon was kept a great while prisoner at Stafford and died in durance at London Lord Charles Somerset Sir Walter Blount long a prisoner in the Tower Sir Edw. Widdrington who raised a Regiment of Horse Sir Richard Tichburn Sir Charles Blount slain also by one of his own Captains Sir J. Clavering dy'd a prisoner at Lond. Sir Iohn Cansfield Sir Iohn Timelby of Ernam Sir Philip Constable Sir Edward Plumpton Sir Nicholas Thornton who raised a Troop of Horse at his own charge Hugh Anderton of Exton Esq Thomas Langtree of Langtree Esq Will. Hoghton Esq William Hesketh Esq William Latham Esq Tho. Singleton Esq Iohn Westby Esq Sir Edward Charlton William Sheldon of Beely Esq William Gage of Bently Esq Tho. Clavering Esq Iohn Plumpton Esq Marm. Holby Esq Hen. Englefield Esq Robert Wigmore Esq Rob. Cramblington Esq Will. Sherburn Esq Iohn Constable Esq Richard Latham Esq William Bawd Esq Iames Anderton of Birchley Esq Thomas Singleton Esq Iohn Talbot Esq Nich. Fitzakerly Esq Iohn Piercy Esq Thomas Acton of Burton Esq Tho. Gillibrand Esq Tho. Grimshaw Esq Ralph Rishton and Wil. Floyer Gentl. Richard Chorley of Chorley Iames Anderton of Cleyton Esq Will Anderton of Anderton Esq With many others Mr. Edmund Church of Essex was one of the first whose personal Estate was plundred and his real sequestred which so continued without any allowāce to his wife and children from 1642. till 1649. when he died prisoner Mr. Iohn Barlow of Pembrookshire his whole Estate being at least 1500. l. per an was given to Col Horton and Cap. Nicolas without any allowance of any fifths or other sustenance for his wife and many children Here follow the new added names of those that were slaine in his Maiestie's service Sr. Timothy Tetherston killed at Chester Cap. Thomas Paston slaine at Yorke Cap. Henry Butler slaine at Brinle Mr. Richard Seborne slaine at Ragland Mr. William Alsley slaine at Wiggan FINIS Printed with permission an 1668. a Iosh. 6. 22. a Pyr. Tr. p. 4. a Cam. Brit. P. 163. B. b Vid. Rep. 6. c 645. Monasteries 110. Hospitals 90. colledges 2374. Chaunteries and free Chappels L. Herb. H. 8. p. 443. a Vid Rep. 48. sect 5. b St H. ● pag. 964. Reg. 26. a c. 20. p. 40. a Vid His last Speech etc. and Printed by Authority 1644. a Cib. B●it p. 143. b ●ep ●● a Fox Feb. 12. b Stovv Hen. 6. p. 627. 628. c Fox Ian. 7. d Stovv H. 5. p. 561. ● Hey● Geog. ● 20. a Du Moulins v●ords in ansv to Phil. p. 58. a Bates Elenc mo●