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A49984 The answer of the Right Honourable the Earl of Danby, to a late pamphlet entituled, An examination of the impartial state of the case of the Earl of Danby Leeds, Thomas Osborne, Duke of, 1631-1712. 1680 (1680) Wing L920; ESTC R12398 18,135 19

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fifty six thousand one hundred seventy two pound clear to the Kings use The Sum also which the Author of the State calls Eight Millions two hundred seventy six thousand seven hundred sixty seven pounds accounting from Easter 73 to Lady-day 79 ought to be ten millions eight hundred sixty seven thousand one hundred twenty six pound betwixt the 23d of June 73 and Lady-day 79. He knows likewise amongst the supplies which this Examiner tells you were given by Parliament viz.   Li. The 18 Months Tax amounting to 1238750 The Tax for building the Thirty Ships 0584978 On the fifth Part of the Excise 0200000 The Poll Act 0252900 The first Act for Disbanding the Army and other uses 0619388 In all 2896016 That the two hundred thousand pound mentioned on the 5th Part of the Excise is accounted double being part of the six hundred and nineteen thousand three hundred eighty eight pounds so grosly wilful or ignorant are the mistakes in his Calculations and one hundred fifty two thousand seven hundred fifty seven pounds part of the said six hundred and nineteen thousand three hundred eighty eight pounds is not within the foresaid sum of ten millions eight hundred sixty seven thousand one hundred twenty six pounds because so much of the said six hundred and nineteen thousand three hundred eighty eight pound was not come into the Exchequer in my time His next Head is about secret Service where he talks of a compound of mistakes but shews not one but in himself for to make proof of what he says he affirms that my Pension of eight thousand pound per Ann as Lord Treasurer was never included in secret Service whereas it was never paid otherwise until Michaelmas 1676. and by a Warrant dated the 12th of July 1676. which I procured to expresse the particular Service nor in all my Lord Southampton and Lord Clifford's time and I think the Lords Commissioners was it ever otherwise than by secret Service so that to use his own phrase in that Paragraph it will be seen to whom this instance is most unlucky Indeed he semes offended that the Exchequer does not know all the uses to which Money is applyed under the Head of Secret Service which is an Imposition that the Examiner who ever he be would be loth to have put upon himself in his own Expences how regular soever those may be For the sum of Secret Service delivered in Parliament I do not know when he means that delivery unless it were at the time of my Impeachment when by the Articles of that impeachment I was charg'd with having laid out the sum of two hundred thirty one thousand six hundred and two pound for Secret Service in two years which must then be meant from Christmas 76. to the time of my said Charge which was the 23d of December 78. But as that would have appeared to have been a very wrong Computation which was then given to the House of Commons so it will appear by Sir Robert Howard's Certificate that the Examiner is as much mistaken in his Computation of two hundred fifty two thousand four hundred sixty seven pound for Secret Service in the space of two years and three months there being no such sum in that time but I find two hundred fifty two thousand four hundred sixty seven pounds to be the just sum accounted under the Head of Secret Service in three compleat years viz. from Lady-day 76. to Lady-day 79. which amounts but to eighty four thousand one hundred fifty five pound thirteen shillings and four pence a year and is a sum I should not have thought a man expressing so much Service and Duty to his Majesty would have wondered at though it had all been laid out in the space of three years without giving him or any body else an account of it but had there been an opportunity for that account I had shewed and am at all times ready to shew and prove with his Majesties leave that fifty seven thousand seven hundred sixty three pounds at least of that sum hath been disburst for publick uses and then the remainder of this pretended grievance has been at most but one hundred ninety four thousand seven hundred and four pound in three whole years which has been but at the rate of sixty four thousand nine hundred and one pound six shillings and eight pence a year After all these Computations and Proofs pretended to by the Examiner he confesses Page the 13th That no demonstrative Argument is to be framed from the Particulars he has mentioned but will therefore betake him to Generals for the sure Proof of all which I believe is the first time of such an Undertaking and shews sufficiently how falsly this Examiner pretends to the knowledge of Exchequer Accounts When he comes to this plain Account of Generals he says he has a Copy of a Paper dated the 10th of June 73. under Sir Philip Floyd 's hand which would not pass for a Proof in this Case if it were true but that I might know the truth of it I writ to Sir Philip Floyd and had this following answer from him by which it appears both how much Sir Philip has been abused by the said printed Paper and how different a State was made up by Sir Robert Howard my then Secretary the 21st of June 73 which was but two days after my having the Staff A Copy of Sir Philip Floyds Letter to the Earl of Danby the 18th of March 1679 80. My Lord I Have received the Honour of your Lordships Letter of the 15th Instant and in answer to it I do hereby assure your Lordship that I have at no time given any State of the Revenue to any Person but to such as from time to time have been my Superiours in the Treasury and as for this thing in particular which is printed in a Phamphlet under the Title of An Examination of the Impartial State of the Case of the Earl of Danby and called a Copy of the Condition of the Revenue as it was left by the late Lord Treasurer Clifford and said to be procured under my hand I do declare to your Lordship that my name is abused in it and to convince your Lordship that such a Copy could never come from me give me leave to say that I have Examined such Papers as I have by me concerning the Revenue when your Lordship received the Staff and I find it to be false almost in every particular As for Instance I find the Customs were left charg'd with 245905 l. 19 s. 3 d. besides the weekly charge for Tangier Vpon the Excise I find 201148 l. 13 s. 8 d. Vpon the Hearth-Money 22318 l. 11 s. 0 d. The Law-Bill left quite useless and which is far different from the Examiners printed State And then for the three last quarters of the Tax they were not left clear neither as the Examiner is pleased to say For the first quarter of those three I find to have
been charg'd with 21163 l. 6 s. 8 d. before your Lordships time and of the whole of those three quarters there came only five hundred sixty five thousand odd hundred pounds into the Exchequer I could enlarge upon the errors and falshood of this Pamphlet concerning the Revenue in many other particulars but having as I humbly conceive fully answered your Lordships Commands in assuring you and shewing to your Lordship that no such Copy as the Examiner hath Printed could come from me I will give your Lordship no further trouble with any remarks of my own upon it but take leave only to remember your Lordship of a Paper which I have seen in your Lordships hands of better Authority than any thing that I can say Which is a State of the Revenue presented to your Lordship by Sir Robert Howard the 21st of June 1673. which was two days after you entered upon your Office wherein having stated the Income of the Ordinary Revenue and the Expences for that year by way of Debtor and Creditor he finds the Expence would exceed the Income by the Sum of 1163400 l. and there is no doubt but Sir Robert Howard who was furnish'd with all the means of making a true Calculation did take care to do so And that in my humble opinion my Lord will be of considerable use to your Lordship to shew the mistakes of this Examiner I beg your Lordships pardon for this long trouble and am My Lord Your Lordships most obedient and most Humble Servant Philloyd Having perused the said State of the Revenue mentioned in Sir Philip Floyd's Letter which was given me by Sir Robert Howard the 21st of June 73. and remains in my Custody I find it to agree exactly with Sir Philip's Letter both in the Calculation of the expence of the Year 1673. to exceed the Income of that year by the Sum of one million one hundred sixty three thousand four hundred pound and in the Sums which were left Charg'd upon the three great Branches of the Revenue by my Lord Clifford nor could any Copy of the said printed Paper come from his Lordship because there is not one half of it true Besides this Examiner is not only ignorant of things in the Treasury but he does not know the Officers of it at that time for he mentions a Letter from Mr. Mounteney dated the 10th of November 73 and says it was directed to Sir Robert Howard then Secretary to the Treasury whereas Mr. Bartie was then my Secretary and not Sir Robert Howard The Examiner closes his report concerning the Treasury Pages 14 and 15 wherein he pretends to shew First That the Revenue was left charged with less than three hundred thousand pound advance Money excepted at the time of my Lord Cliffords leaving his Place Secondly that there was nine hundred forty two thousand five hundred pound then left in Money And Thirdly that the said Revenue was computed to be left charged with one million four hundred eighty five thousand five hundred and seventy pound sixteen shillings and four pence at Lady-Day 1672. I suppose he means 1679. when I was removed from the Treasury Although I could no more know he means that time by the Computations he has made than I could by that year of our Lord which he has Printed The first and second of these are proved from that Copy before mentioned pretended to be from Sir Phillip Floyd to which Sir Philip's answer has been seen and consequently the truth of his sure proof But that it may be truly known how the three great Branches alone were left charg'd by my Lord Clifford's own Computation it is therein set down that   li. s. d. The Customs were then charg'd with 245905 19 03 The Excise 201148 13 08 The Hearth-Money 022318 11 00 In all 469373 03 11 besides that the smaller Branches were left useless for the said year And in the same Computation which I have in my Custody it is estimated that for the said year of 1673 there could not be expected for the service of that year from the aforesaid three great Branches any more than seven hundred forty six thousand six hundred twenty nine pounds and the Establishment of the constant yearly expence besides the great Sums owing at that time to the Fleet and Army then in being for the said year amounted to above one million three hundred thousand pound per ann And here I must have leave to observe that had it not been for that Chargeable War against the Dutch it must have been strange that any considerable Charge should have remained on the Revenue in the beginning of the year 73. which was so soon after a total Post-poning of the Kings Debts and when the Credit was so broken that through the whole year of 72 I believe there was not twenty thousand pound borrowed on the Credit of the Revenue From the same Copy of what he calls Sir Philip Floyd's Paper and his sure proof of all is made his next Calculation that there was nine hundred forty two thousand five hundred pound left in Money viz.   li. By the last 3 Quarters of the Tax 600000 From the Advance of the Excise 150000 From the French Money 112500 Upon the 3 Quarters of the Subsidy 080000 In all 942500 As to the first of these sums as I have said already the said last three Quarters brought in clear to his Majesties use but about five hundred sixty five thousand four hundred ninety eight pound which is about the sum of one hundred eighty eight thousand four hundred ninety nine pound for each Quarter one with another and the first of those Quarters was charg'd with twenty one thousand one hundred sixty three pounds and was not payable till the third of March following which was full three Quarters of a year wanting but sixteen days before I could expect the first Quarter which would then be clear but one hundred sixty seven thousand three hundred thirty six pound and yet this Examiner speaks with confidence the whole six hundred thousand pound to be left in Money The three last Sums viz. the Advance the French money and Subsidy amounting to three hundred forty two thousand five hundred pound he says will be ready in October and November for payment of the Fleet and Tards Whereas the greatest part of Advance Money goes always in Repayment of the former Advances in Case of new Farmers and is always continued by old Farmers but no new Money advanced unless there be an increase of Advance-money as at that time was made of about thirty thousand pound which Sum could only be accounted applicable to the present service For the French Money I do not know what he means unless it be a Sum of eighty five thousand pound which I find placed to the Treasurer of the Navy's Account betwixt June 73 and December 74. And for the eighty thousand pound upon the three quarters of the Subsidy it is a Sum in the Clouds