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A92611 Some papers given in by the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland to the honourable Houses of the Parliament of England. In answer to their votes of the 24. of September, 1646. Concerning the disposing of His Majesties person. Scotland. Parliament.; Loudoun, John Campbell, Earl of, 1598-1663. Severall speeches spoken ... in the Painted Chamber. 1646 (1646) Wing S1343; ESTC R205327 33,483 44

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