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A75749	A remonstrance, against presbitery. Exhibited by divers of the nobilitie, gentrie, ministers and inhabitants of the county palatine. of Chester with the motives of that remonstrance. Together with a short survey of the Presbyterian discipline. Shewing the inconveniences of it; and the inconsistency thereof with the constitution of this state, being in its principles destructive to the laws and liberties of the people. With a briefe review of the institution, succession, iurisdiction of the ancient and venerable order of bishops. Found to bee instituted by the Apostles, continued ever since, grounded on the lawes of God, and most agreeable to the law of the land. / By Sir Thomas Aston baronet.	Aston, Thomas, Sir, 1600-1645.	1641 (1641)	Wing A4078; Thomason E163_1; Thomason E163_2; ESTC R212696	75,691	128

sword hath for a short space kept some States a float but I must boldly say t is the Reverence of Religion the advancement of learning that hath made them stable and happy These Considerations are properly within the capacity of a Gentleman But in the latter part I must ask your pardon That I have walk'd beyond my Verge Taken as well a Divine as a politique Survey of your order I know it is an Injurie to plead a good cause ill yet I hope you will finde my Modesty such that in this I presume so little of my selfe that I have onely allowed words to knit together the opinions of such Authorities as till now have beene Authentique 'T is a time when selfe-interest swayes much and for ought I know every man that reads this may be equally concern'd as my selfe whereby this must be conceived lesse partiall from me then from any of your Coat And at least they will inferre hence that much more might be said since I have said so much I must confesse enough hath beene delivered in a little by that Reverend Primate Vsher T' is Apostolicall Which admitted the Conclusion silences all argumentation Contra negantes principia non disputandum Does well in Schooles but when noyse and novelty onely prevaile I wish you had been all more free in defence of your Calling 'T is truth that Downam Bilson Suckliffe and many others have said so much as there can scarce be any thing added but they must have new Titles or else they will not be look'd on the Fathers themselves are absolete and deserted Authority Wee are all growne so wise in this knowing Age that every man must have his proofes level'd to his owne naturall reason unlesse they be invectives those tickle the itching eares of the time and are presently taken upon trust without examination I was not fram'd to court that straine nor doe I expect to please your oppugners all my ambition is to satisfie some Gentlemen free as my selfe my Desire is not to offend you by the ill mannage of so good a Cause Though I know none by any of you yet should I not seek to qualifie the ill of any of your persons But must professe I affectionately pray for the Conservation of that order which is so apt an Embleme of the Divine ordinance of that great Creator who as hee ordained the Sunne to exceed the Moone The Moone the Starres and every Starre excelling another in glory Doubtlesse intended as divine a Method in disposing the lights of our immortall soules as those Luminaries of our corruptible bodies Hee I hope will preserve this Church while that Sunne and Moone endure Which is the prayer of The well-wisher of Sion T. A. Since the severall attempts to blemish this Remonstrance by dispersing that Libell and by seeking to draw some ignorant people to disavow their owne subscriptions it pleased divers Gentlemen of quality to testifie both their dislike of such practices and the continuance of their zeale to a vow their Remonstrance By this Certificate To our very loving friend and Kinsman Sir THOMAS ASTON Baronet SIR WEe have lately received a Printed Copie of a most seditious feigned and dangerously factious Petition which is spread in the County purporting to be preferred to the High and Honorable Court of Parliament by the Nobles Knights Gentrie Ministers c. of this County pretended in answer of a Petition subscribed by us and many thousands more and by our request preferred by you for the good and honour of this County which vile and Machivilian Petition we perceive was never preferred to neither House but dispersed maliciously and seditiously to stirre up discord and tumult And wee have also seene the Coppie of your Petition preferred on the behalfe and for the service of this County for whom you are trusted in this Which wee all so well approve of as wee doubt not but that as well those many thousands who subscribed our Remonstrance preferred by you which found so gracious acceptation both with his Sacred Majestie and the Lords to whom it was preferred as also many thousands more of this County whose hands could not by reason of shortnesse of time be gotten to that will upon just opportunity acknowledge your good service herein for your Country and your merit from the Inhabitants thereof who stand well affected either to his Majestie or the good or peaceable Government of this Kingdome And therefore wee have not onely thought fit with these few subscribers whom the shortnesse of this dispatch could divulge your merits unto to testifie your great Care and Diligence for your Country and our approbation thereof but to pray you not to be discouraged herein But stil to presse as there shall be oportunity an effectuall order and answer to our Remonstrance and some course as the great wisedome of the Lords assembled shall think meet to check the further growth of these Seditious Insolences and attempts to cast aspersions upon our Loyall intentions and disturb the peace of our Church and state Government wherein wee have also addressed our thankfulnesse and Humble desires to the most Honorable Earle of Bath which we shall beseech you the rather more speedily to deliver because here are daily more Innovations by the importunity of the Authors of these Schismes and factions so that much ill is to be feared if a timely prevention be not given to the growth thereof So beseeching God direct the hearts of that most Honorable Assembly wee take our leave of you and rest as your faithfulnesse and care of your Countrey may chalenge Your assured loving Friends Robert Lord Viscount Kilmorey Robert Lord Viscount Cholmondeley Sir Edward Fitton Baronet Sir Tho. Brereton Knight Hugh Cholmondeley Esquires John Mynshull Esquires Tho. Cholmondeley Esquires John Davenport Esquires Thomas Bromley Esquires Rand. Rode Esquires William Manwaring Esquires Arthur Starkey Esquires Tho. Maisterson Esquires Tho. Manwaring Esquires Edw. Tannat Esquires John Werden Esquires Edward Morgell Gentlemen Tho. Berrington Gentlemen Richard Allen Gentlemen Tho. Wilkinson Gentlemen John Dodde Gentlemen Tho. Stockton Gentlemen Tho. Massy Gentlemen George Cotton Esquires Hugh Calveley Esquires C. Manwaring Esquires Tho. Cotton Esquires William Moreton Esquires John Leghe Esquires George Leycester Esquires Jonathan Wodenoth Esquires Tho. Cotton Esquires Edw. Dod Esquires Edw. Wright Esquires Geor. Bostock Esquires Ralph Morgell Esquires John Stockton Esquires Rich. Tannat Esquires John Massy Esquires Divines Doctor Bisphant John Conney Rich. Wilson The Table Of the severall Sections in the survey of Presbytery Sectio prima The designe of the Presbyterians 2 The method of their proceeding 3 Their censure of the Clergie in Queen Elizabeths dayes 4 The opinions of the Reformed Churches of her time 5 A discussion whether they seeke to pull downe or advance the Clergie 6 The Ecclesiasticall Laws agreeable to Gods Word 7 The Presbyterians must not be prescribed in doctrine 8 They must be freed from civill miseries 9 Episcopacie most agreeable with Monarchie 10 Presbytery

THat every particular Congregation is an absolute Church and is to have all ordinances and officers within it selfe the members of it must be onely Saints these must enter Covenant amongst themselves and without such a Covenant no Church 10. That the power of the Keyes is committed neyther to the Pastors nor Governours but to the whole Congregation and to every particular member of the same and Christ having committed them to every one would of every one demaund an account of them and therfore charged the people as they would answer it at the dreadfull day of judgment to keep the keyes amongst themselves and not to suffer any authority to wrest them out of their hands 11. That it is an heynous sin to be present when prayers are read out of a Book either by the Minister or any other By which and other such Doctrines many of the common people are brought into that odium of the Book of common prayer that divers of them will not come into the Church during the time of Divine Service THe spreading of the foresaid Petition and the publicke and frequent preaching of these and such like seditious Doctrines having stird up a generall discontent in many common people divers of the Gentry without any sinister respect whatsoever but only out of a care of the publicke peace being thereunto induced by the presidents of London and Essex into which the Lords had formerly directed orders for suppression of such disorders did humbly desire the Earle of Darby Lord Lieutenant of the County to joyne in a Remonstrance of the distempers likely to ensue and to represent the same to the house of Peerese Praying their care for prevention thereof THe Remonstrance beeing resolved of upon a conference of many of the Gentlemen of the Country some Divines were sent unto to know if they would joyne in subscription with the Gentry and for the clear carriage and quick dispatch severall Letters were sent into the several hundreds directed to some of the princ●pal Iustices there with copies of all inclosed to procure the subscriptions of their neighbor-hood all of the same contents and subscribed by those few who underwrit this following beeing foureteene persons of quality Gentlemen VPon consideration of the copy of a Petition inclosed from the Freeholders of this County which hath been spread abroad and signed by many hands wee conceive it would much reflect upon the Countrey to let it passe in the names of the Countie without any protestation against it beeing not onely clamorous against the governement of Church and State but against our Country in particular And beeing the shortnesse of time would not permit a generall meeting yet such as wee have consulted both with Divines and others are pleased to approve of the coppy inclosed Therefore for the speedy dispatch of it we have thought fit to send severall Coppies into the severall hundreds intreating that you will be pleased to assemble or send unto all the Gentrie of your hundred and such Divines as you conceive will joyne in it and some of the chiefe Free-holders before wedn●sday next and signe the Paper annexed to the Petition with as many hands of quality as you can get and returne them to Cholmley where wee shall some of us meete and annex them all to the originall it selfe which wee have signed and will so send it up to bee preferred the dispatch is the life of the businesse Wee hope no man will be slack in that so much concernes the Country So we rest your very loving friends We desire that you would be pleased not to let any Coppies be taken and returne it on Thursday next at farthest and let no Papist subscribe whatsoever January 30. 1640 The Direction or Superscription To the Right Honourable the L. Brereton Mr. Doctor Dod and Henry Mainwayring Esquire or one of them and to others the Gentlemen of the Hundred of Northwich This publike carriage I hope will satisfie all ingenious men how injurious such clamours have beene as pretended undue practises to procure Subscriptions And if some few timorous people by pretence of trouble have beene frighted to retract their former Subscriptions J presume no judicious man will conceive it either to reflect on the Gentry or dis-value the substance of the Remonstrance To the Honorable the Lord Bishops Reverend Fathers IN the first part of this Discourse I have had a particular Interest us'd the liberty of my owne expressions out of the sense and fore-sight of my owne endangered Liberty which I apprehend absolutely to depend upon the preservation of your regulated order and Legall Government to be inevitably if not irrecoverably lost by the admission of an irregular Arbitrary Presbytery I denie not but the wisedome of this Age may finde out a new way neither pattern'd by the Apostles nor practiz'd in any Age or State and when it is established by Law I know my part obedience But till then Law being on my side God forbid I should not as freely speak in defence of fundamentall Lawes of Divine institutions as others doe to the subversion of both Such has beene the unhappinesse of my Privacie I am scarce knowne to hardly know any of your persons yet with that Reverence doe I looke upon your Sacred order as an Apostolicall therefore not questionable institution I consider your Predecessours as the Ballast which have poyz'd the Barks of Monarchy to sayle safely in the Sea of Vulgar whose piety and wisedome first prescribed the Medium twixt Tyrannie and Anarchy Till Bishops help'd to reduce the unbounded wills of Princes to the limits of Lawes Kings were Tyrants And where ever they are not there ever followes a popular which is a worse Tyranny Obedience to Kings Conformity to Lawes is a Duty both to God and nature but subjection to the absolute and unlimited wills of men is unnaturall to those that were borne under the protection of Lawes Long ha's this Nation flourished in the equall dispensation of Lawes by Divines Civilians and Common Lawyers Glorious and fortunate have beene the Proficients in all of them They much deceive themselves that think the one shall rise by the fall of the other two If two or three mixt Arbitrary Courts sitting onely in Tearme time shall be thought so prejudiciall to the Common Law what must a Quotidian-Chancery prove in every Parish Sure hee that should but seriously consider the condition of the Advocates in the Low Countries Geneva and in all places where the Presbytery hath got footing would burne his Barr Gowne and begin a new profession at the apprehension of such a change No doubt Rebus sic stantibus At this instant there are many able men ready to supply your voyded seates and an instant extinguishment of all the lights of the Church cannot be fear'd But if all preferment for humane learning shall be thus taken away in the next Age wee are liker to degenerate to the Barbarisme of the Greekes then arive at their perfection The

of them must d The Northamptonshire Classis Bancroft fol. 79. The Elders c once a moneth to look to all within the parish concerning their honest behaviour and peaceable demeanour View of the Prelaticall Church fol. 41. determine matters of Contracts and Marriages Nay they must have a speciall Quaere into the peaceable demeanour of the Inhabitants within the precincts of their severall Presbyteries upon that place of S. Paul e 1 Corinth 6.1 Do any of you having a matter against another goe to Law before the unjust and not before the Saints grounding a decree in their Classis that if any member of the Presbyterie bee at variance with his brother hee shall bee suspended till hee bring the matter before them Now let us well weigh what man lives so upright in all his wayes that is not or may not be a Delinquent at the mercy of these dreadfull Iudges whose least chastisement is banishment suspension from the food of Life the blessed Word and Sacraments whose easiest prison is Hell and whose punishment Tradatur Satanae eternall destruction Where is then the promised libertie of this so much desired change when from the legall penalties of positive and regulated Lawes which awe our persons and might perhaps pinch our purses whereof we know how to avoyd the breach or satisfie the penaltie wee shall become meere Tenants at will of our soules That the infirmities of mans nature considered f Romans 7.14 That wee are carnall and sold under sinne and that the best of Gods Saints fall into dayly errours yea and as it is said Faelix qui minimis urgetur who can plead priviledge or exemption from these rigid censures The best Charter here is but durante bene placito None dum bene se gesserit Since innocence is no Supercedeas for suspition or scandall misprision or malice may make a delinquent injuriously to bee suspected or traduc'd and actually to bee guilty are of equall punishment Publick Confession or Excommunication Nay 't is so farre from freedome that it brings upon us a two-fold bondage Both Law and Nature abhorre double punishment for one offence Yet say they g View of the Prelaticall Church fol. 37. Malefactors that have once satisfied the Law if they procure pardons must bee suspended from the Sacrament till they againe satisfie the Congregation And Master Knox tells us Mr. Knox The order of Excommunication in Scotland Ae. 2. All Crimes that by the Law of God deserve death deserve also excommunication as Murtherers Adulterers Sorcerers Witches Conjurers Charmers givers of drink to destroy children Blasphemers denyers of the truth railers against the Sacraments and all that have lived with any offence to the Congregation though they have suffered the punishment of the Law against all which he would proceed by way of Excommunication And we know that most of these Crimes they would fetch within their jurisdiction have their severall penalties provided by the Statute Lawes of this Kingdome whence necessarily followes that either the temporall jurisdiction all Law must be extinct or in stead of freedome we must submit to double punishment But say they They onely proceed against sinnes h Chorda Angliae propos 8.10 Courts to proceed onely against sinnes by the Word of God Sions plea. Bilson fol. 316. and 't is their office to bring sinners to Repentance And there are divers other petty Crimes which fall not as they say under the Civill sword as chiding fighting brawling contempt of the order of the Church Sabboth-breaking wanton and vaine words negligence in hearing the preacher neglect of receiving the Sacraments suspition of Avarice or of pride superfluity or riotousnesse in cheare or raiment They must have a rod for the women too in correcting their lascivious dissolute or too sumptuous attire private or publike dancing May-games visiting stage-playes Tavernes or Tipling-houses and all inordinate livers which must bee brought to their Tribunall Now let any man branch out those forenamed particular heads of the Table of their Discipline and he shall finde that neither our words opinions nor actions as of private men but they subject us under their jurisdiction Consider us with relation to others and see how many accidents are emergent upon Contracts marriages fornication Adulterie to which take in the generall heads of suspition and scandall and then see how farre this insinuates into our private families who can be secure of the honour or repuration of wife or daughters longer than he is sure hee hath no maligner for I finde no branch at all amongst them for the punishment of the slanderer nor no reparation for the injur'd innocent Marry the guiltie may be quit as was the position of Mr. Snape of Northampton shire i Bancrofts Treatise of the disciplinarians of Northampton shire fol. 82. who having wrought upon a meane servant that had got his Masters Daughter with child to make publick Confession to the Congregation That done Snape absolved him then justified him clear from that sinne committed even as though he had beene newly borne If this bee the way to recover infant innnocence who would not soyle himselfe a little to be so cleansed Next view that general Quaere into mens peaceable demeanors a View of Prelaticall Church fol. 41. Admonition 2. page 75. The Church is to censure such a partie as is troublesome and contentious together with their rule of Abdication of Law-suits and see if this bring not to their Chancerie all actions reall and personall And lastly consider their universall head of b Bilson fol. 316. Our Presbyteries proceed against vice T. Cart. l. 2. p. 68. Snecanus de Discipl Eccles p. 460. proceeding against sinnes Which Mr. Cartwright pretty well explaines Every fault that tendeth either to the hurt of a mans neighbour or to the hindrance of the glory of God is to be examined and dealt in by the orders of the Church Snecanus enlarges him a little further Quodvis peccatum sayes he every sinne against God or neighbour by word or deed purposely or ignorantly manifestly or secretly If so let us then consider if this be not a general prohibition to all Courts of Iudicature a meere annihilation of all Lawes For St. Peters precept is to k 1 Peter 2.13 submit to every Ordinance of man for the Lords sake And Lawes being the Ordinance of man the breach of every Law is sinne Nor can there be any suit or controversie betwixt men but the one side is the wrong-doer for we know that All unrighteousnesse is sinne l 1 Iohn 5.17 And the Disciplinarians including the punishment of all sinne against God or our neighbour within their jurisdiction we have no more use of Lawes but are all brought under a meere arbitrarie Government And then ablata Lege wee know what followes fiat Certamen But Law had no mercy and perhaps these holy men will be tender-hearted easie-handed in laying on the scourge of chastisement Let