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A16832	A defence of the gouernment established in the Church of Englande for ecclesiasticall matters Contayning an aunswere vnto a treatise called, The learned discourse of eccl. gouernment, otherwise intituled, A briefe and plaine declaration concerning the desires of all the faithfull ministers that haue, and do seeke for the discipline and reformation of the Church of Englande. Comprehending likewise an aunswere to the arguments in a treatise named The iudgement of a most reuerend and learned man from beyond the seas, &c. Aunsvvering also to the argumentes of Caluine, Beza, and Danæus, with other our reuerend learned brethren, besides Cænaiis and Bodinus, both for the regiment of women, and in defence of her Maiestie, and of all other Christian princes supreme gouernment in ecclesiasticall causes ... Aunsvvered by Iohn Bridges Deane of Sarum.	Bridges, John, d. 1618.	1587 (1587)	STC 3734; ESTC S106910	1,530,757	1,400

to her children And againe 105. a. the kingdome of the Burgundians is the first section from Gondengus alias Gondochius or Gondebundus vntill Clotildis placed in matrimonie to Clodoueus vnto whom succeded heyres suruiuing Gondebaldus and Gondesigillus But to Gondebaldus succeeded Sigisimundus who beeing slayne the scepter of the kingdom came to Clotildis and to her posteritie But whē as vnto Clotildis and vnto her posteritie succeeded a great many children the kingdome of Burgundie flewe among them with doubtfull fethers which must needes fall out that at the length the kingdome of Burgundie should come to the last suruiuer which should be only called the Monarch of the Gaules And all this fell out after Pharamundus about the time of Clodoueus who was the first Frenche king that was Christened by the meanes of this his wife Clotildis frō whose issue succéeded the line of the Merouingians of Meroueus grand-father to Clodoueus and by affinitie as Aimonius witnesseth that is through title of kindred by his wife the successor of Clodio Pharamundus son so that againe all the line of the Merouingians came by the woman Which line of the Merouingians continued till Charles Martell the Father of Pipine and Grandfather to Charles the great In whose stocke both Burgundie and the regiment of all Fraunce continued vntill the time of Hughe Capete who gaue the same vnto his brother it being not long before abased by Lotharius from the state of a kingdome to a dukedome for his contumelious striking of an Arch-bishop But now sayth Caenalis after that the inheritaunce of the Burgundian dukedome came to the French kinges ye shall scarse finde concerning the race of the Princes of the Burgundians where ye may safely fixe your foote euen vntill the time of S. Loyes and that chiefely by reason of women S. Loyes had Agnes or Agnet his daughter Duchesse of Burgundie whom not long time after Lewes surnamed Hutin succeding married Philip surnamed the fayre married Margaret ennobled by the ftocke of Burgundie Then followed Ioane giuen in mariage to Philip the long Whom straight-way followed Blanch Duches of Burgundie ioyned in mariage to Charles the fayrer that succeeded Philip the long After whome Philip of Valoys following married Ioane Duchesse of Burgundie This Philip gotte the crowne of France from Edwarde the 3. King of Englande By whose meanes this Salike law against the inheritance of the female was first vnder the name of Pharamunde deuised Vppon pretence as the fame went that a certaine Queene of France cast her fancie on a Butcher as Iohannes Methensis witnesseth and married him For detestation of which fact they made the Salike lawe that no woman should after that inherite the kingdome of Fraunce And although Gaguinus to defeate king Edwardes title alleage that euerie one of the thrée sonnes of Philip the faire both Lewes Hutin and Philip the long Charles the fayre had all issue besides the other daughters that he mentioneth of Philip le Beau yet sithe it is apparant that of none of all those issued any heyres male or female how could Philip of Valoys pretende from his Vncle Philip S. Lewes sonne which Philip was Father to Isabel Edwarde the thirde his mother to bereaue Isabell and her sonne Edwarde of this right but vnder pretence only of this deuised lawe Which lawe as we haue séene by Caenalis owne confession taking no place in Burgundie the Burgundians and the Frankes following one condition of inheritaunce it followeth that this lawe Salike is but a méere deuise and that in searching the practise wée finde all cleane contrarie And as the inheritance of Burgundie went thus vntill that time that this deuise was hatched so hath it gone since For although Caenalis when he commeth to Charles Carolese or rather Careles which last was flaine by the Switzers sayth who when hee wanted an heyre male by the vertue of the Salike lawe the Dukedome of Burgundie came to the kinges of Fraunce euen vntill this day I much maruell what face Caenalis durst so constantly auouch this thing sithe all Christendome knoweth that although the French King scambled for his share and gotte a parte thereof in that time of hauocke yet Maximilian the Emperour marying afterwarde the daughter and heyre obteyned by her the right and title of that inheritance By which it is most cleare that these two estates of France and Burgundie the one following in inheritance the condition of the other that as Burgundie notwithstanding any Salike lawe admitteth the inheritance of the woman so should France also Yea and by reason of this house of Burgundie hath title come by the woman also euen to the crowne of Fraunce The which Caenalis himselfe can not denie For sayth he fol. 106. a. speaking of Philip the long whom he calleth the Brother he should say the sonne of Philip the faire he succeded his elder brother Lewes surnamed Hutin that is as some interpret it troublesome or brawling vnto whom Margaret the sister of Robert Duke of Burgundie was maried Of whom Hutine begat Ioane which Ioane was maried vnto the Earle of Eureux and to the king of Nauarre Whereupon controuersie arose betweene the Duke of Burgundie and Philip he meaneth Philip of Valoys which of a regent was created king about the yeare 1316. by reason of which Ioan the Scepter was staide to be diuolued to the Duke of Burgundie brother of Ioan. But the lawe Salike directlie withstood this sentence How beit the mariage of Ioan daughter of Philip whome the Duke of Burgundie tooke to his wife brake off that strife But because this Ioane Hutines daughter had no issue Edwarde therefore came still before the Duke of Burgundie And yet had this Duke carried it away euen by affinitie for all the lawe Salike had not the matter béene otherwise composed And Caenalis reckoning vp the Genealogie of the Earles of Burgundie comming from Otto he sayth Otto begat Ioane the French Queene and Queene of Nauarre the Ladie of the countrye Palatine of Burgundie whom Philip the French king chose to his wife of which mariage issued Lewes the french King and his 2. sonne Philip Earle Palatine of Burgundie c. Ioane had daughter Elisa or Elisabeth maried to Robert Duke of Burgundie about the yeare 1306. Lewes the French king and of Nauarre begat the Earle of Poyters Palatin of Burgundie and Lorde of Salinople not long after French king This Philip of whom we haue spoken begat Margaret enriched with a triple Earledome of Flaunders of Artoys and of Burgundie c. Thus doth Caenalis in prosecuting these pedegrées of these Princes declare withall what inheritances also came to them with women that vnto the French king besides Britanie diuerse other Prouinces by mariages of the heires female Yea what title to the French crowne himself had Pipine but on the mothers side As Caenalis is faine to confesse though he would turne

contrary And shall wee dare to saye on the other side finding both the example heere alleadged by themselues Acts 14. and Saint Paules preceptes to Timothie and to Titus of ordeyning pastorall Elders to bee made without mentioning of the Churches elections that the Apostles durst not ordeyne any Pastors with the Churches elections no wee dare not say so but that the Apostles might haue done it with them or without them as they thought best hauing the warrant of Gods Spirite and as the occasion serued for their ordeyning of the Pastors And therefore I meruell how our Brethren durst so boldly affirme that the Apostles not only did it not but durst not doe it Secondly say they that they giue an office without a charge and sende him to seeke a flocke where he can finde it Our Bretheren here begin to descant vpon the names of Pastors and office Neither doe wee denye but that the name Pastor betokeneth an office whether wee vnderstande it as hee is onely a Minister of the worde and Sacramentes and so he is sayde to haue taken Orders or as he hath a peculiar flocke to minister the worde and Sacraments in as we commonly call the Rector Parson Vicar or Curate the pastor of such and such a Church or Parish The worde Pastor in both sences may bee comprehended in the name of an office And yet here if wee should goe as strictly to worke as our Bretheren doe which curiositie I mislike not in them to finde out all the quirkes in the worlde to beate out the trueth more throughly wee shall easely see great differences in the proprieties of these names and words of an office and of an order Albeit they may well bee taken and oftentimes are vsed indifferently But the question is here whether any office can bee giuen and the man truely called an officer without a charge of a place or a flock giuen withall vnto him whereof he is and may bee called the officer They denye it and I say he may and my reason is this The word office hath not alwaies relation to the charge of a place onely and that specially of a certeyne place where or of persons among whome the office is exercised but of the matter it selfe and ●uetie whereof the office consisteth in res●●t of which matter the other are as it were but accidentall which our Bretheren here make all or principall The Prophetes were Prophetes before they had any certeyne places were they prophecied The Apostles were called and in office were Apostles before they were sent into any message of their Apostleship And Saint Paule calleth all both Apostles and Pastors Ministers 1. Cor. 4.1 though all of them had no certeyne standing places designed to them to minister in and yet were they all of them in the very office of the Ministerie full Ministers of the worde and Sacraments if wee may so properly call the Ministerie of the worde and Sacraments an office as an order In deede Saint Paule sayth of an office Rom. 12. vers 7. or an office on the office That is to say he that hath an office let him bee diligent in his office But he assigneth not any certeyne places and charge of flockes to all the offices that he there reckoneth vp Although as it is an old saying so it is not vntrue Priesthood and Knighthood are orders rather than offices And Priesthoode I meane not the Popish sacrificing Priesthoode but the Pastorall Eldership may well be called an order when the making of a Priest or pastorall Elder is called the ordering or the ordeyning of him and our Bretheren themselues do well call it the giuing of orders Knighthood now being likewise more properly called an order than an office when a man hath receiued the order of Knighthood it followeth not that he must be a Knight of this or that place as were some Knightes namely the Knightes of Prussia or the Knightes late of the Rhodes and now of Malta neither followeth it that he that made him Knight must alwaies withall giue him landes and liuing and yet all the better for the Knight if hee so doe and more fitte for his order to haue sufficient maintenaunce and though hee had but xl pounde a yeere which was called a Knightes fee. Howbeit hée m●ght b●e a Knight though a poore Knight without any such fee. For the order is one thing and the maintenaunce of him in his order yea his charge to doe his duetie i● his order is another thing and not the order it selfe But say they this is as vnreasonable a thing as i● one were chosen not to be a Knight but to bee a Churchwarden and had neuer a Church to keepe or made a Constable that had neuer a Towne or place appoynted whereof he should be Constable The similitudes of these two offices and of Church-warden and of a Constable are not a like to the order or if they will so call it to the office of the ministerie for bicause that these two Offices haue a necessary relation in them selues not onely to the office but also to the place where the pa●tie is the officer so that if no place be assigned them there is no such officer made To which kinde of officers the old distinction serueth that the office the place be distincta ratione non re They cannot in the act of them be separate though they be distinguished in the reason of them And yet we see that in some such offices as in which besides the office there is ioyned with all a degree of honour and dignity though the relation of the office in respect of the place where the office laye doth cease as either the place being wasted or possessed by another and he dispossessed yet may his degree of dignitie not cease or be in him vtterly exstinguished so long as the right of the office is in him though the exercise and action of the office together with the place and other appendices of the office bee taken from him as a Kinge Duke Earle or Lord though he loose be it not by his own demerite resignation or lawefull depriuation his Kingdome Dukedome Earledome or Lordshippe but by an others intrusion or occupation yet is he still both called and is in deed● a King a Duke an Earle a Lord by reason he still holdeth the right of the office and capacitie to repossesse it though he haue neither possession action nor exercise of it at this instante Notwithstanding as it is sayd in the old verse on fortunes wheele regno regnaui regnabo sum sine regno He may be rex sine regno euen the lowest degree of them all and yet rex still Yea to descend to baser offices also not only a professor of liberal sciences but euen one professing mechanicall artes or as we commonly terme him a handicrafts man although he exercise not alwaies the action of his Function nor occupie in his occupation or

as wee may generally call it also his office too yet the office occupation or function ceaseth not in him and if nowe it may bee thus in so manie other offices which notwithstanding take all their denomination euen of the action and exercise of them and of the charge or dutie therein required why may it not and much more be thus in the order or office of the minister Doth his office cease if he be put from his place where he was first appointed to minister If his office should cease with the place then could hee minister in no other place Nay then were hee no minister at all anye longer so that turne him out of his place and turne him cleane out of his ministry if he be preferred to an other place he must be made minister again And is worse then as Chancer saith A Monke out of his cloyster is not worth an oyster for a monke is a monke still but the minister is become no minister and so all his preaching and ministring of the sacraments are a laye mans actions and not a ministers and by their owne consequence no sacraments at all if he do these things where his charge and flocke is not And in deede some of our Bretheren beginne to bée so precise that thinke it scarse lawefull to preach except it bée in their owne proper charges though they bée orderly requested thereunto but they neede not to bée squemish by this rule for there they are not Ministers at all if they do it Now if the office of the ministerie it selfe cease not with the altering of the place where they had a charge much lesse doth the institution and entrie into the office of the ministrie which is the ordeyning or geuing of orders depend vpon or require the necessitie of a place as it doth in the office of a Churchwarden or Counstable or in the offices that haue locall honours and dignities annexed to the degrees or to the offices of them as in Kinges Dukes Earles Lordes c. For these offices beginne togither with the places and charges annexed vnto them but in all the offices of ministrie it is not so And if our Bretheren will so vrge it let them looke to it their selues For I suppose that some of them if I take not my markes amisse and those too whom otherwise I reuerence and honour had not prouisions of place and charge of flocke committed vnto them at their verie first receiuing of their orders but perhaps taried some pretie while after and yet I hope they make account that they were ministers beefore Yea had they not bin ministers at all before and that tryed to bée both learned and presupposed to bée meete men they had not bin capable of those places and Charges And if I should goe further what one of our Bre. were not made simply ministers of the word and sacraments and not ministers condicionall as the ministers of this or of that place charge or flocke although it might bée some of them were alreadye prouides for in that bé●halfe but their taking of orders or office of the ministrie it selfe dependeth not theron which it muste haue done were the place a parte and that a necessarie parte of the office They say that this their learned discourse is a breefe plaine declaration concerning the desires of all those faithfull ministers that haue do seeke for the Discipline and reformation of the Churche of Englande But if this bee one of the poyntes they desire and seeke for then they desire and seeke for that which ouerthrowes both their owne ministerye and their faithfulness● too For if this rule be true then are they no faythfull ministers nor ministers at all hauing receaued the orders of ministery otherwise than their selues desire seeke for and prescribe that other should doe But they not considering this goe forwarde from their examples of Churchwarden and Constable to prooue it somewhat more Clerke-like For saye they the name of a Pastor Elder or Ouerseer is the name of an office in Act and Esse bicause it is a proper relatiue and not a potentiall ability in the cloudes Are all potentiall abilities in the Cloudes But our brethren were disposed heere to speake in cloudes and to tell the people of offices in Act and Esse of proper relations and of potentiall abilities be like bicause they woulde the worlde shoulde well vnderstande that this is for sooth a learned discourse howbeit all this discourse here is but of the names of this order or office of the ministerye But be they relatiues as proper as they will and the relation also in Act and Esse as they terme it yet doth it not follow that this actuall and essentiall relation must be so strictly related to a place where hée must bée a Pastor or Elder or Ouerseer that hée cannot bée made the Pastor Elder or Ouerseer till hée come thither his selfe and excercise the office actually for if there bée no potentiall abilitye but onely the verye Act and Esse thereof to be considered in the office of a Pastor Elder or ouerseer then is hée not a Pastor Elder or Ouerseer till hée doe feede or teache them gouerne them and ouersee them actually But if heée bée not the Pastor till he come actually his selfe to doe these actions among them then is all the action aforesayde in the Synode fustrate except they goe all home with him and ordaine him onely then and there when and where he must doe the thinges in act and esse that the name of his office hath relation vnto For say they the name of a Pastor Elder or ouerseer is the name of an office in act and Esse bicause it is a proper relatiue and not a potentiall abilitie in the Cloudes Is not this a proper valiance on the name of Pastor and to make it a proper relatiue doe they not make it withall a proper office Yea sée whereunto by this nice valiance on these names and termes this office will come and all bicause it may in no wise suffer a potentiall abilitie And whie so forsooth for feare it would vapour up by and by into the cloudes but admitte this to be true and then it presentlye followeth that when soeuer the officer ceaseth from the very act and doeing of his office as both vppon many occasions hée may sometimes doe and of naturall necessitye he must oftentimes do so often doth he cease to be a Pastor Elder or Ouerseer But because they stand upon these 3. names Pastor Elder and Ouerseer which they make all relatiues alike and to haue like relation unto an office in act and esse For the Esse it is an other matter if they meane the being of the office For assone as the office hath begun his esse or being then his esse or being continueth still in the office in all these 3. names thereof although the act in all