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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13156	An ansvvere to a certaine libel supplicatorie, or rather diffamatory and also to certaine calumnious articles, and interrogatories, both printed and scattered in secret corners, to the slaunder of the ecclesiasticall state, and put forth vnder the name and title of a petition directed to her Maiestie: vvherein not onely the friuolous discourse of the petitioner is refuted, but also the accusation against the disciplinarians his clyents iustified, and the slaunderous cauils at the present gouernement disciphred by Mathew Sutcliffe.	Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.	1592 (1592)	STC 23450; ESTC S117875	163,829	254

new gouernement at pleasure nor doth any of them doubt but that the gouerment of the Church of England is Apostolicall and that the gouernement by elders is both new and fantasticall Quaere Putcase Quaest 36. if Iohn at Stile shoulde grant there was a gouernement by elders in the primitiue Apostolicall and best Church and shoulde call the same gouernement a popedome and tyrannie whether this did not rankly smell of detestable atheisme If Iohn at Stile should say as much as this libeller hath said in his libell Answere hee might percase change his stile and bee called Iohn at Gibet for these bee matters worthy Gibets but concerning this matter I thinke Iohn at Stile will not say that there was euer such a packe of Church-aldermen as this faction vseth in their Consistories And if hee should say so hee should say vntrueth neyther were the Elders in the primitiue Church or after other then Apostles and ministers of the worde All the ancient Fathers were ignorant of this newe gouernment yet was it not Atheisme in them to say it as this wicked and hypocriticall Atheist auoweth nor are these Atheistes that impugne the fonde Consistorie or that affirme that the newe gouernment is tyrannie nay which is worse that it is meere foolerie but those that wrest Gods worde and lye shamefully to proue it For what more sottish sencelesse gouernment can there be then to make clownes iudges of learning religion and controuersies of diuinitie or more absurde then to refuse that gouernment that euer was in the church Quaere whether the Churches in Scotlande France Put-case Quest 38. the lowe countreyes Hungary Poland Bohemia Saxony Heluetia and the County Palatine of Rhene and whether Zuinglius Oecolampadius Melancthon Bucer Caluin Zanchus Martyr infinite other the most excellent diuines in all the world commending the continuance of the Eldership be all Anabaptistes Puritans rebellious Traytors Marstates Marlawes Marprinces and Maralles and D. Bancroft M. Sutcliffe c the onely good subiectes in all the worlde As we do not willingly condemne other churches in their gouernment Answere so we thinke Beza and others might haue done more wisely discretely not so rashly to haue censured ours especially pronouncing without hearing both parties and sitting iudge in his owne cause and speaking neither good diuinitie nor good lawe nor good reason yet we say if any of these aboue named should in this state go about to place the eldership so contrary to a monarchicall regiment he should haue done therein no good office nor discharged the ductie of a wise man this I say further that this libeller doeth make most shamefull lyes where hee nameth many churches and many learned men as fauourers of the new Eldership whereas in trueth they neuer knewe what it meant It is not in Saxonye Bohemia Polande Hungary nor in many places in the low countreyes and where it is the same continueth with small profit and much displeasure The countie Palatine of Rhene hath after many styrres cōditionally receiued it Heluetia neuer had it neither Oecolampadius nor Zuinglius nor Melancthon euer knew it nor I thinke the rest What a shamelesse fellow then was this thus impudently to lye nay Saxony hath superintendents and so sometimes had Scotlande and Tossane they say is generall superintendent of all the Palsgraues dominions concerning Church causes and the Churches of Strangers in Englande in King Edwardes dayes had superintendents Melancthon and Zanchus liked our bishops and therefore none of these are like to our factious Puritans And as for Doctor Bancroft and my selfe they cannot say but that wee are good subiectes nor note vs with any disloyaltie But beside vs the least of thousandes there are infinite more good subiectes and learned men of which nomber the Puritans are none all which stande against the factious gouernment of the Elderships maintaine the ancient apostolicall orders of the Church That the best Diuines in the worlde should hold with the Eldership is a fancy for all the ancient Fathers were ignorant of it and the godly martyrs of our land in Queene Maries time refused it beside them infinite learned men all which hold with bishops which these condemne chuse you therefore whether you will follow all antiquitie or Th. Cartwright Giles Wigg Iohn Penry Tauergius Caluetus and such tagrag fellowes percase great fauourers of the church-aldermen but neyther wise nor learned Quaere Put-case Quest 39. whether the Kings of France and Scotlande the princes of Condè and Orenge the duke of Saxony the countie palatine of Rhene the States of the lowe countreyes many other Dukes Princes Marquesses Earles Barons and other christian and noble potentates who haue mainteined fauoured and preferred the Ministers that stand for reformation and whether here in England the right honorable sir Nicolas Bacon Lord keeper the Erles of Bedford Warwicke and Leycester Sir Francis Walsingham Sir Amias Paulet Sir Walter Mildemay and other right noble Lordes Counsellours Countes and Countesses woulde haue countenanced and protected the Ministers that seeke reformation if they had perceiued them to bee enemies to the Queene and state worse then papistes and miscreants and whether our Prelates bee more trustie to her Maiestie and prouident to auoyde danger then these excellent personages were This argument for the consistory is drawen from the opinion of courtiers men of warre Bellipotentes sunt magis quàm sapientipotentes Ennius apud Cicer. 2. diuinat therfore seemeth to me strange in diuinitie howsoeuer it is approued as good in the consistorie that dependeth on opinion and is turned as the cloudes with the winde If the same were any thing worth then might the heresie of Arrius yea Paganisme bee confirmed also to bee as good religion as the consistorian discipline for many Emperours Kings noble men dukes countes countesses captaines yea whole States haue embraced Paganisme and condemned Christian religion and fauoured idolatrous priests and persecuted christians Constantius and all his court for the most part most of his dominions embraced Arianisme And what wonder if diuers noble men and women embraced this fantasticall Discipline for whome would not the demure countenance sober sighes and out drawen speech of these hypocrites abuse wherefore let this libeller ground him selfe vpon these mens courtly fauour muster an army ready to fight for discipline let him haue his captaines officers his marshals lieutenants ensignes sergeantes corporals drummers and fifes and let him make his aldermen gunners for if they could looke with one eye they would proue most excellent in that facultie shooting so well at randon about interpretation of scriptures hauing so long layne battering downe our State I say all these mens opinions without authoritie of Scripture wey not one pepper graine Hee is a simple man that will die in that religion that most of these fauourers of Discipline which this man hath named did and most simple that will thinke the

his manifolde lewde demeanours and trecheries 73 Item because the Petitioner standeth so much vpon Vdals innocency refusing presumptuously as it should seeme any maner of fauour let him also answere whether the sayd Iohn Vdall was not acquainted with Hackets Copingers and Arthingtons conspiracy seeing that Copinger a litle before his outrage writ vnto him that now the Lorde had inabled him to fight to vanquish and ouercome that there was a Fast towardes in regarde of the afflicted Saintes in generall that hee assured himselfe that God would blesse the actors in that cause that there were diuers out of prison lying hid that in this great worke were hammering their heads c. that the same persons hoped in short time to bee brought forth into the sight of Vdals brethren and their owne enemies that their presence would daunt the enemies that God would vse base men in this worke lest men should boast in the arme of flesh that Vdall and his fellowes in prison should cheare vp their hearts for that the day of their redemption was at hand and that Vdall and his fellowe prisoners should pray that the hande of the Lorde might bee strengthened in them whom hee had appoynted to take parte with them quaere I say whether Iohn Vdall bee a loyall subiect that neuer reueiled this practise and bee not guiltie of farre more then euer was layd to his charge 74 Quaere whether the Petitioner hath not greatly hurt the cause of his clyent Vdall in giuing occasion to mention matters forgotten and almost forgiuen and whether taking parte with such fellowes himselfe is not an abettor of felonie 75 Quaere whether Th. Cartwr and master Eg. did not receiue letters from the conspirators concerning their designements and did not also conceale the same and whether the sayde master Eg. did not will the sayd Copinger to take heede that hee did not by his extraordinary calling hinder the great cause in hande and say that himselfe being an ordinary minister could not iudge of Copingers extraordinany calling and therefore would be lothe to quenche the spirit in him and whether these paraphrases of discipline stand with loyaltie and good diuinitie 76 Quaere whether T. C. and other disciplinarian teachers did not allowe the scornefull and wicked Libels of Martin and also certaine seditious dialogues and inuectiues against the State and whether their disciplinarian rules will beare them out in it 77 Quaere whether any is receiued or suffered to continue in the Ministerie at Geneua or other places gouerned like Geneua that make any scruple to subscribe or that speake against the orders of the church and whether certaine were not banished for speaking against wafer cakes there vsed in the Communion and against Vsurie and why factious persons should be more tolerated here then there 78 Quaere whether it bee a good course to suffer such as doe giue probable suspicions of discontentment with the present gouernment to continue gouernours of houses in Vniuersities and to teach schooles and to liue in the church which like vipers they seeke to ruinate 79 Quaere whether to procure a learned ministerie it be a good course to take away the rewardes of learning or at least to hazard them 80 Quaere howe many of the ministers of the reformed churches haue bene able to leaue so much to their wiues as to maintaine them from beggery and whether any man of worth can endure that indignitie and whether diuers for want of maintenance haue not fled the countrey of their habitation 81 Quaere of Pierce Putcase whether a pretended godly brother as you woulde say W. St. who is a piece of the putcase himselfe may by the lawes of this new kingdome like a thiefe or murtherer lye in wait by the high way side with a caliuer ready charged to kill his owne naturall brother for that he is not sufficiently reformed and whether this bee a sanctified course to win a brother to this melancholike reformation 82 Let also this question bee asked of the same man whether a disciplinarian brother whose wiues misgouernement made the poore man runne horne woode may notwithstanding bee choosen an alderman considering that Daneau a noble founder of this kingdome doth in his Isagogicall instructions holde that all the preceptes that Saint Paul giueth of bishops 1. Tim. 3. doe belong to the Church aldermen also and that it is required that such bishops bee chosen as can gouerne their house well and whether it is likely that he that hath no good head in gouerning his own house shoulde haue a good iudgement in gouerning of the Church 83 Item Quaere because he asketh me certaine questions of Th. Cartw. by what mysterie or science a man may sell a coate and 3 or 4 acres of land and purchase therewith 3 or 4 good lordships and yet maintaine a great familie and fare well and keepe a pedant to teach his daughters Hebrewe 84 Quaere also whether a learned sister that vnderstandeth some Greeke and Hebrewe may not in a parlour at a tables end paraphrase vpon a text of scripture according to the puritane stile and whether it bee not time for schollers to turne their bookes when such paraphrastes take on them to abuse scriptures 85 Quaere whether a trencher paraphrast I meane these that degorge discipline at full tables and vpon full stomacks at their benefactours tables are among those callings that saint Paul mentioneth Ephes 4. and not being how they dare presume to handle Gods word or rather to abuse holy scriptures in that sort 86 Item whether certaine sanctified brethren attained vnto 24 carrats of perfection in discipline may notwithstanding practise the Iewes trade and take 10. in the hundred or more if they can get it 87 Quaere whether a man may growe to that extremitie of burning zeale that euery spring and fall hee shall renewe like a serpent that casts her skinne as it happened to a certaine holy brother at Ipswich not many yeeres since and whether such a fellowe bee a fit man for a president of a consistorie 88 Quaere whether as in Italie and other places of poperie desperate wicked men runne into the order of Theatins or Capussins so certaine desperate bankeruptes and loose liuers as Bar. Fl. and others haue not suddenly runne into puritanisme and whether this alteration be not ab extremo in extremum by such men as will neuer come into medium 89 Quaere why it shoulde bee more lawfull for ignorant men of base trades and occupations to take vpon them the decision of matters of religion and gouernement of the Church then it is for Giles Wig. to become a malster and others of this sect to become grasiers and wiredrawers and such like 90 Quaere whether a godly brother rather then by selling his liuing he shoulde ouerthrowe his house 1 The doubt of Th. Sa. of Yorkeshire may not by the lawes of discipline breake bond and promise and suffer his sureties to lye by it and in