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A16571 All the examinacions of the constante martir of God M. Iohn Bradforde before the Lorde Chauncellour, B. of Winchester the B. of London, [and] other co[m]missioners: whervnto ar annexed, his priuate talk [and] conflictes in prison after his condemnacion, with the Archbishop of york, the B. of Chichester, Alfonsus, and King Philips confessour, two Spanishe freers, and sundry others. With his modest learned and godly answeres. Anno. Domini 1561 Bradford, John, 1510?-1555. 1561 (1561) STC 3477; ESTC S116578 60,488 240

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cānot tel how you wil stretche this woorde maintenāce I will repete again y t which I spake I said I was more confirmed in the religion set foorth in king Edwardes dayes then euer I was if god so would I trust I should declare it by geuing my life for the confirmacion and testificacion therof So I saide then so I say again now ꝙ Bradford As for otherwise to mainteine it then pertayneth to a priuate person by cōfessiō I thought not nor thinke Well ꝙ the lord Chancelor yesterday thou diddest mayntain false heresy cōcernyng y e blessed sacramēt therfore we gaue y e respite til this day to deliberate My lord ꝙ Bradford as I sayde at y e first I spake nothinge of the Sacramēt but y t which you allowed therfore reꝓued it not nor gaue me no time to deliberate Why ꝙ he diddest thou not denye Christs presence in the sacramēt No ꝙ Bradford I neuer denyed nor taught but that to the fayth whole Christs body bloud was as presente as breade wyne to the dewe receyuer yea but doest thou not beleue that Christes bodye naturallye and reallye is vnder the forme of bread and wyne My Lord ꝙ Bradforde I beleue Christ is presēt there to faith of y e dewe receyuer as for transubstanciacion I plainely and flatlye tell you I beleue it not Here was Bradford called a deuil or sclanderer for we axe no questiō ꝙ y e lord Chancelor of transubstanciacion but of Christs bodily presēce Why quoth Bradford I denye not hys presēce to the faith of the receuer but denye that he is included in y e bred or that the bred is transubstanciated If he be not īcluded ꝙ the B. of Worcester how is he then presēt Forsothe quoth Bradford my faith knoweth howe though my tōg cannot expresse it nor you otherwise thē by faith heare it or vnderstand it Heare was much a doe now one Docter starting vp speking this another that the lord Chancelor talking muche of Luther zwīglius Oecolāpadiꝰ But stil Bradford kept thē at this point that Christ is presēt to faith and y t there is no transubstanciacion nor including of Christ in the bread but al this would not serue thē Therfore an other bishop asked this questiō whether y e wycked man receiued Christes verye bodie or no Bradford answered plainly no. Where the lord Chancelor made a long oracion howe y t it could not be y t Christe was present excepte that the euill man receiue hī But Bradford put his oracion away in few woordes that grace was at y e present offred vnto his lordship although he receiued it not So y t ꝙ he y t receyuing maketh not the presens as youre lordship would affirme but gods grace trueth power is y e cause of the presence the which the wicked y t lacketh faith cannot receue And here Bradforde prayed hym not to deuorce that whiche God hathe coupled together he hathe coupled al this together take eate this is my bodye he saieth not see pepe this is my bodye but take eate Here the lorde Chancelour the reste of the Bishoppes made a great a do that Bradforde hadde founde out a toy that no man els euer did of the condicions the lord Chancelor made many words to the people here aboute But Bradford said this My lord ꝙ he are not these woordes take eate a cōmaundement and are not these woordes this is my bodye a promyse If you wil challenge the ꝓmise do not y e cōmandemēt may you not deceue your self Here the lord Chancelor denied Christe to haue cōmāded any thīg in y e sacramēt or y e vse of it Why ꝙ Bradford my lord I pray you tel the people what mode accipite manducate is it is plain to childrē that Christ in so saying cōmandeth At these wordes the lorde Chauncellor made a great toying trifling at the imperatiue mode fel to proposing or examining as though he shuld teach a child so cōcluded that it was no cōmandement but such a phrase as this I praye you geue me drink which is no commandemēt I trow But Bradford prayd him to leaue toying trifling and said thus my lord ꝙ he if it be not a commandemēt of Christ to take to eate the sacramēt why do any take vpō thē to cōmaund make of necessity that which god leueth free as you do in making it a necessary commandemēt that once a yere for al that be of lawful discrecion to receiue the sacramēt Here the lord Chancelour calleth him againe Diabolus or slaunderer so began out of these woordes let a man proue himself so eate of the bread the bred ꝙ Bradford and drink of the cup that was no cōmandemēt for then ꝙ he if it wer a cōmandemēt it should bynde al men in al places at al tymes O my lord quoth Bradford discerne betwene cōmandementes some be generall that thei binde alwaies in all places and all persones some be not so generall as this is of the supper The sacramente of Baptism of the appearing before the lord at Ierusalē Abrahās offring Isaac Here the lord Chancelor said what say you that Baptisme is cōmanded thē quoth he we shal haue .xi. cōmandementes In dede quoth Bradford I think you thinke as you speake for els you would not take the cup from the people seyng y t Christe sayeth drink of it al. But howe saye you my lord quoth Bradford Christe sayth to you bishops specially ite predicate euangelium goe preache the gospel fede Christes flocke is this a cōmandement or not Here was the lord Chancelor in a great chafe said as pleased him Another I wene the B. of Durham asked him when Christ began to bee present in the sacrament whether before the receyuer receiued it or no Bradforde answered that the questiō was curious not necessary further said as the said cup was the new testamēt so the bred was Christs body to him that receiueth it duely But yet so y e bred is bred for in al y e scripture ye shal not find this proposiciō non est panis ther is no bred so he brought forth s Chrisostō Si in corpore essemus Summa much a do was here about thei calling Bradford heretike he desired them to procede a gods name he loked for y t whiche god appointed thē to do Loe ꝙ the lord Chancelor this felowe is now in a nother heresy of fatal desteny as though all thynges wer so tyed together y t of mere necessitie al thinges must come to passe But Bradford praide him to take things as they were spoken not wreste them into a contrary sence your lordshippe quoth hee doth discerne betwixt god and manne things are not by fortune to god at any time thoughe to man they seme so some times I ꝙ Bradforde spake but as the Apostles spake lord ꝙ he see howe Herode
Pōcius Pilate w t the Prelates ar gathered together against thee Christ to do y e which thy hande counsell hath before ordained thē to do Here began the lord Chācelor to read y e excōmunicaciō in y e excōmunicaciō when he came to y e name of Bradford laicus lay mā Why ꝙ he ar you no priest No ꝙ Bradford nor neuer was eyther priest eyther beneficed either maried either any precher afore publike auctoritie had established religion but preached after publike auctoritie had established religiō yet ꝙ he I am thus handled at your handes but god I doubt not will geue his blessing where you curse so he fel doun on his knees hartely thāked god y t he coūted him worthy to suffer for his sake so praide god to geue thē repentance a good mind After the excommunicacion was red he was deliuered to the sheriffes of London and so had to the clinke from thence to the coūter in the pultry where he remaineth close without al company bokes paper penne or ynke loking for the dissolucion of his bodye in y e which god grant to hym hys sweete mercye throughe Christe oure Lorde Amen The some of the priuate talke had with maister Io. Bradford sithen the .29 daie of Ianuarie by suche as the Prelats haue sent vnto him AFter my firste arraygnement in the churche of Saincte Marie Oueris the .29 daye of Ianuarie aboute ▪ foure of the clocke in the euenynge there came into the reuestrye whither I was had after my arraigmente and taried there al daye a gentleman called Maister Thomas Hussey of Linclonshiere whiche was ones an officer in the Duke of Norfolkes house to inquire for one Stonīg and when it was aunswered hym by the vnder Marshalles officers of the kinges benche which were there with Doctour Taylour and me that there was none suche he came forthwith into the house toke acquaintaunce of me sainge further that he woulde come and speake with me in y e morninge for old acquaintance sake for I was at muttrel iorney a pay master in whiche he was and had often receiued money at my hādes Now in the morninge about vii of the cloke he came into the chamber wher in I laye and beinge alone with me and set downe he began a longe talke howe that of loue olde acquayntance he came vnto me to speake vnto me that which he would further vtter the effecte wherof was that I did so wonderfully quod he behaue my selfe before the lorde Chauncelour the other Bishoppes the other daye that euen the verieste enemies I had did see howe that they had no matter againste me therefore aduised me as thoughe it came of his own good wil without making anye other man priuie or aanye other procuringe hym as he said that I would this daye for quoth he anone you shall be called before them again desire therfore tyme men to conferre with al. By reason wherof he thought that al men would thinke a wonderfull wysedome grauitie and goodnes in me by this meane I shuld escape the daūger whiche is nearer thē you be ware of ꝙ he But I aunswered breiflie said that I coulde not nor woulde not make any such requeste for then quod I occasiō should I giue to the people and to all other that I stode in doubting of the doctrine the which thing I told hym I did not but thereof was moste assured and therefore I would giue no such offence As we were thus talkinge the Chamber dore was vnloked and who should come in at the dore but one doctour Seyton when he saw maister Hussey what syr quoth he are you come before me yea thought I goeth the matter thus and he tolde me no man knew of hys cōming Wel Lord quoth I to my selfe giue me grace to remember thy lesson Cauere ab hominibus istis beware of those mē c. cast not your pearles before doges for I see these men become to hunte the matter y t the one maye beare witnesse with the other This doctor Seyton after some bye talke of my age of my Countrie and such like he began a long sermō of my lord of Cāterburye maister Latymer maister Redley and howe at Oxford they where not able to aunswere any thinge at al and therfore my lord of Caunterburye desired to conferre wyth the Byshoppe of Duresme and others All whiche talke tended to this ende that I should make y e like sute beinge in nothinge to be compared in learninge to my Lorde of Caūterburye whiche thinge is moste true But I breiflye aunsuered as before I did to maister Hussey wherwith they were neither of thē both cōtented and therefore they vsed many persuasions and Maister doctor said how that he had herd muche good talke of me tellinge how that yesternight maister Rūcorne had made reporte of me at my lorde Chauncelours table at supper howe that I was able to persuade as much as any that he knewe And I my selfe quoth he though I neuer herd you preache nor to my knowledge neuer sawe you before yesterdaie yet my thought your modestie was such your behauour and talke so without malice and impacientye that I wolde be sorye you should doo woursse then my selfe and I tell you quoth he further I doo perceaue that my Lorde Chauncelor hath a fauour toward you wherfore be not obstinate but desire respite and sew to some lerned men to confer with all but still I kepe me to my Cokoo I coulde not nor wold not so offend gods people I stode in no wauering but was moste certeyne of the doctrine I had taught Here master Doctor waxed hote and called me arrogaunte prowde vayne glorious and spake like a Prelate hauing no other aunswere of me but that he should beware of iudging lest he cōdempned him selfe Howbeit this would not serue but still he vrged me showing howe merciful my Lorde Chauncellor was and how charitablye they intertained me Vnto which wordes I briefly showed him that I neuer foūd anye iustice muche lesse charitie I speake it for my parte quoth he in my Lord Chauncellor And so showed howe I hade ben in Prison howe I had ben handled and howe they had no matter now aageinst me but such as they shold haue by myn own confession But nothing of this talke moued maister doctor who went from matter to matter from this poynt to that poynte and I gaue hym stil the hearnige and aunswered not bycause he came to haue had somthing whereby my Lord Chauncellor mighte haue had semed to haue kepte me in prison not causeles When al their talke toke no such effecte as they wold loked for maister Hussey began to aske me whether I would not admyte conference if my lord Chauncelor shoulde offre it me publicklye to whom I aunswered this in effect that conferēce if it had ben offred before the lawe had bene made or cōference if it were offred so
bycause it may abid y e light I dare be bolde to haue it loke on cōferre it with you or any man in respecte wherof I am glad of your cōming thācke you for your cōming althoughe as I said I desired not your cōminge nwas willing of your cōming or cold be cōtēt of it otherwise Why quod he what is y ● matter wherefore you were condempned for we know not sir quod I ī prisō haue I ben all most two yeres I neuer trāsgressed any of y e lawes wherfore I might iustlye be punished But because I frāckly confessed whereof I repēt not my faith concerninge the sacrament being demaūded in these two points One that there is no trāsubstantiaciō the other that the wicked doo not receaue Christes bodie ▪ Lett vs quoth he loke a litle on the firste do you not beleue christs presence raallye and corporallye in the forme of bread No quoth I. I doo beleue that there Christ is present to the faith of the worthye receauer as there is present bread and wyne to the sences and outwarde man as for any suche presence of including and placing Christe I beleue not nor dare not do Why quoth he I am sure you beleue Christes natural body is circumscriptible And here he made muche a do of two natures of Christ howe that the one is euery where the other is in his proper place demaunding questiōs here about whiche I aunswered with etiam that is affirmatiuelye bycause they were suche as no wise man would haue spente any such tyme about as he did for I neuer herd of any that woulde haue denyed them Nowe then commeth he to this conclusion whiche I prayed hym he woulde make for els he had forgotten howe that because christes body was circumscriptible concerninge the humanitye in in heauen therfore it was so in the bread This hanges not togither quod I because you are here Ergo you are at Romme it is out of Fraunce bycause christes body is in heauen Io. it is in the Sacramēt vnder the forme of bread No wise man wil graunt it quoth I. why quoth he you wil beleue nothing but that which is expresely spoke in the scriptures yes syr quoth I I will beleue what so euer you shall by demonstracions out of the scriptures declare vnto me he is obstinate saieth he to his fellow But quoth he to me is not god able to do it yes syr quoth I But heare the questiō is of gods will and not of his powre Why quoth he Doth he not say plainlye this is my bodye yes quod I and I denye it not but that it is to the faith of the worthie receuer To faith quoth he howe is that Forsothe syr quoth I as I haue no tong to expresse it so I know you haue no eares to heare and vnderstād it for faith seyth more then man can vtter yea but quod he I can tel all that I beleue you beleue not muche then quoth I. For if you beleue the ioies of heauen if you beleue no more then you can tell you wyll not muche desire to come thyther for as the mynde is more capable and receauable then the mouth so it conceaueth more then the tonge can expresse Christe sayth it is hys bodie quoth he And so saye I after a certein maner quoth I After a certein maner quoth hee that is after another maner then it is in heauen saint Augustin quoth I telleth it more plainlye that it is Christes bodye after the same maner circuncysion was the Couenaunte of God and the sacrament of faith is faith or to make it more plaine as Baptisme and the water of baptisme is regeneration Verye wel said quoth he Baptisme and the water therof is a sacrament of gods grace sprit in the water closing the baptisme No syr quoth I away with your inclosing on the same sorte christs bodye is in the bread on whiche sorte the grace and spirite of God is in the water In y e water quod he is gods grace by significacion so is the bodye in the breade quoth I in the Sacrament you are muche deceaued quoth he y t make no difference beetwene the sacramētes that be stāderes and the Sacramētes that are traunseuntes and passers by As for example the sacramente of Order whiche you denye thoughe saint Augustine affirme it is standerd although the ceremonie be paste But in baptisme so sone as the bodie is washen the water cesseth to be a sacrament True good syr quoth I. And so it is in the lordes supper no longer then it is in vse is Christes sacrament Here was maister Alphonsus wounderfullye chafed and speake as often he had done before so that y e hole house dyd ringe againe with an Echo He hath a great name of lerning But surely he hath litle pacience If I had ben any thynge whete one house could not haue kepte vs bothe At the lenght he cometh to that point that I could not find in y e scripture baptisme and the Lords supper to haue any like similitude togither And here lord god what aray he mad how that we would receaue nothinge but scripture yet we are able to proue nothing by the scripture Father ꝙ I for so I called him God forgiue me if I dyd amysse be paciente and you shall see y t by the scripture I will finde baptisme and the Lords supper coupled togither No quoth he that canst thou neuer doo let me see one texte of it and a great ado he made At the lenght syr quoth I Paule sayeth that as we are baptized into one bodie so we are Potati in Vno spiritu we haue dronken of one spirite meaninge it of the Cuppe in the Lordes supper Paule hath no such wordes quod he ▪ yes that he hath quoth I. I trowe he hath not quoth the kinges confessor Giue me a Testament quoth I and I wil showe it to you so a priest that sate by thē gaue me his testamente I showed them the plaine texte Here was nowe lokinge one vpon an other finallye this simple shifte was founde that Paule spake not of the sacramēt Wel sir quod quoth I thoughe the texte be plaine yet I wene the fathers do expoūd it so especially except my memorie faile me Chrisostome doth it Here I seing thē blancke I began to tel them howe I had byn handled in prison with oute boke paper pen yucke and howe vniustly I had ben handled and prayed them that as they tolde me their comminge was to do me good so they woulde doo it and not to do me hurte whiche thyng they much marked not because of the foyle they had which I would haue suppressed Alphonsus therfore whiche had the Testamente in his hande and turned ouer leafe by leafe at the lenght he commeth to the .5 to the Corinthiens and there red howe that he was giltye whiche made no difference of the lordes bodie yea syr quoth I but therwith he