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A65475 A discovery of Sathan Who hath in man covered himself, by perswading men, that original sin is the corruption of the nature of every man, that is ingendred of the offspring of Adam: also, a demonstration of the Messiah in man, to whom the gathering of the people shall be, of whom Moses in the law and the prophets did write, Gen. 49.18. Isai.11.12. Written for the use of such that denyeth not themselves the use of reson and sense, and that are not wedded to their own perswasion. West, Robert, b. ca. 1613. 1668 (1668) Wing W1388; ESTC R217304 9,234 15

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A DISCOVERY OF SATHAN Who hath in Man Covered Himself by perswading Men that Original Sin is the Corruption of the Nature of every Man that is ingendred of the off-spring of Adam Also a Demonstration of the Messiah in Man to whom the gathering of the People shall be of whom Moses in the Law ●nd the Prophets did write Gen. 49.18 Isai 11.12 Written for the use of such that denyeth not themselves the use of Reason and Sense and that are not wedded to their own Perswasion An Epistle to the Reader I Charge thee Reader not to spend thy censures on thy loving friend whose great desires for nothing more than that Light should unmask the Whore and tear away her painted dress that all may see her nakedness then introduced there shall be new Heavens and Earth that all may see admiring much the glorious Frame and strange composition of the same then truth and justice shall appear throughout the World without all fear Darkness shall cease and Light break forth from East to West from South to North this is the time I long to see till then we never shall be free from envy malice and oppression and what so ever is called transgression The Author fain would teach all Men the ground of things by word or Pen that they may knows live and not die Christ in their Flesh Gods mistery Quest WHat have been talked of in times past to be Original sin Answ The Pelagians talk Original sin standeth in following of Adam as it is noted in the Ninth Article of the Church of England but the Church of England in that Article saith that it is the fault and conruption of the nature of every man that is ingendred of the off-spring of Adam This have been talked of to be Original sin Mark according unto holy Scriptures that which moves in man to move man to sin is not the corruption of our nature for that is passive but the power or motion of Sathan in our flesh which is active This is the Original of Sin for as 't is written sin is of the Devil 1 Joh. 3.8 Quest Is the motion of Sathan which is in our members sin Answ Yea for it wars against the Law of God which is in our minds to wit the Light to war against the Law of God is sin and to move to man or to tempt man to do contrary unto the beeing of God in man is sin whose being in us is as a Law to us by which cometh to us the knowledge of sin Quest Shall not the motion of Sathan which is sin be imputed to man if man obey not Answ Nay to him that tempteth it's a sin to be imputed but to man that is tempted it 's no sin to be imputed if he fall not into it because man is not the author of the motion of sin that is of the Devil the motion of Sathan which is sin we have when we do not commit sin mark it 's one thing to have sin it 's another thing to commit sin he that committeth sin is of the Devil 1 Joh. 3.8 Joh. 8.44 Quest Is the motion of Sathan in the Flesh of innocent mankind if so then may it not be in the flesh of little children Answ Yea it may be in the flesh of little Children that it was in the flesh of innocent man kinde Paul the Apostle saith When I would do good evil is present with me Again he saith I finde a Law in my members warring against the Law in my mind Again In me that is in my flesh saith he dwelleth no good thing Rom. 7. James saith Know ye not that the spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy James 4.5 that it is I am a witness for I finde by the Law as it is written that when I would do good evil is present with me Rom 7.21 Quest If the motion of sin be in the flesh of innocent mankinde is not that Adam 's transgression Answ Nay Mans sin is no substance but an act or accident a transgressing against the Law of God mark that which moves in us to move us to sin is a substance not Adam's sin but the Serpent that moved them to sin Quest Are not little children conceived and born in sin as it have been conceived declared and believed Answ It 's written the Lord is the Former of all things Jer. 10.16 and that in wisdom which is contrary to sin hath he made them all Psal 104.24 and his work is perfect Deut. 32.4 Christ Jesus saith touching little Children of such is the Kingdom of Heaven Luke 18.16 Math. 19.14 Again he saith Verily verily I say unto you except ye be converted and become as little Children ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven Mat. 18.9 Again it 's noted in the common prayer Book in publick Baptisme that little Children are innocent and in the Collect for Innocents Day see then according to Moses the Prophets and Christ's sayings little Children are innocent and not born in sin Quest What is Innocency and what is degeneration Answ Innocency is uprightness Adam was in it the Lord made man upright Eccl. 7.29 Degeneration is transgression the Lord made it not nor man in it Wisd 1.13 Quest Have not Christ by his death destroyed the power of sin and satisfied the wrath of God for all transgressions there are many that do believe that Christ by his death hath satisfied the wrath of God for all sins present past and to come and hath by his death destroyed the power of sin Answ To believe that Christ by his Death hath satisfied God's wrath for all sins and hath by his death destroyed the power of sin Is to believe against Holy Scripture and knowledge because we finde in our flesh the power of sin undestroyed Again when we were the servants of sin then as it 's written Rom. 2.8 9. Upon our souls was tribulation anguish and wrath Again if all sins present past and to come was satisfied for by the death of Christ then there remains no place for preaching his name for repentance and remission of sins nor for Christ's Intercession Mark according to Holy Scripture the ministry of the Gospel of God is to be preached among all Nations for obedience of faith that they may come to repentance and receive remission of sins Luke 24.27 Except sinners repent they shall all perish Luke 13.4 Christ tasted Death for every man for the redemption of the transgressions that was under the first Testament Heb. 2.9 9.15 But for the sin of not believing the second Testament or Covenant of God of that men must repent or else for that they shall perish and dye in their sins as the Lord hath said John 8.24 Luke 13.3 Quest What is the first Testament Answ Precepts of God gave forth contained in Scripture without us Quest What is the second Covenant of the Lord and where is it to be witnessed Answ The new and second Covenant of the Lord
is the Law which is spiritual the true Light gave and put by God in the mindes of his People according to his promise Jer. 31.33 Heb. 8.10 That lighteth every man that cometh into the World John 1 9. It 's perfect converting the Soul making wise the simple Psal 19.7 The same to day as it was yesterday and for ever under differing names or sounds declared to us he that doth believe have the witness in himself 1 John 5.10 Quest Is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God the matter or substance of preaching to beget faith in all men or man-kinde to wit the World Answ If it was not in all the World to wit man-kinde then it could not be preached in all the World for a witness mark Christ saith this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached for a witness in all the World Math. 24.14 Again he saith behold the Kingdom of God is within you Luke 17.21 It 's written the Word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart this is the word of faith we preach Deut. 30.14 Rom. 10.8 Quest Is that holy thing in man by which cometh the knowledge of sin the Word of God that liveth and abideth for ever the substance or matter of preaching to beget the lively faith Martin Pereas and many others saith the matter or substance of preaching to beget faith must be the written Word or Scriptures of the old and new Testament which by faith 〈◊〉 indeed the lively seed and firm foundation of faith Wilson 's Dictionary pag. 378. Answ The Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament are God's witness that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God Rom. 10.17 and that God was the Word John 1.1 As it 's written nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart the word of faith the holy men preached was in man not Scriptures without man for a foundation of faith no other foundation do the holy Scriptures witness unto but to that which is already laid in thy heart to wit the Lord who is as a Law to man by whom cometh the knowledge of sin to him gives all the Prophets witness that whosoever believeth in him should receive remission of sins Acts 10.43 and not perish but have everlasting life John 3.15 Quest What might be the cause that devout and great learned Men pitched upon the Holy Scriptures for the matter or substance of preaching to beget faith Answ The light in them made manifest to them things that are reprovable and brought as it do to us the Holy Scriptures to witness to it they minded the things that are reprovable and the Scriptures that was brought that testified to it but not the wisdom that brought them which is greater than all the Scriptures this was the cause that they pitched upon the Holy Scriptures for a foundation of ministry Is written there was a little City and few men within it and there came a great King against it and besieged it and built great bul-works against it now there was found in it a poor wise man and he by his wisdome delivered the City mark yet no man remembred that poor man the poor man's wisdom is despised and his words are not heard Eccles 9.14.16 Thus forme was set above the Life which was the cause of so much strife Quest May the wisdome of God which maketh manifest things to man be despised and yet the things that are reprovable retained in knowledge and the Scriptures that do witness to them If so then may not a forme of godliness be held by such that denyeth the power and preached and yet they perish in their sins Answ Yea they that received the Law it 's written perished because they kept not the thing that was sown in them 2 Esdr 9.33 A man may in his knowledge retain the work of the spirit of God and the Scriptures that do witness to it and preach upon it the conceiving of his own brain mark and yet not retain God in his knowledge but despise his wisdome as before is written mark that ye Teachers for ye that do so the wrath of God is to be revealed against you from Heaven Rom. 1.18 You are them that are not sent of God neither shall your ministry profit the people at all your ministry is considered perfectly as the Lord hath said it should be in the latter days Jeremy 23.20 The anger of the Lord is gone forth against you and it shall not return untill he have executed and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart mark by that we know false ministry we know the latter days is come Quest If all things when they are rebuked are made manifest by the Light and that Light is the Lord. Why then was the Holy Scriptures written and whereunto do they serve Answ The Holy Scriptures was written for our learning Rom. 15.4 and are God's witnesses to men that they may believe that he which tryeth the Reines and searcheth the heart is the Lord that so men might come to him and be saved hereunto serveth the Holy Scriptures 1 Chro. 28.9 Psal 7.10 Jer. 11.20 Rev. 2.23 Quest It the spirit of God and the grace of God and the righteousness of God and the word of God and the Son of God one Answ Yea the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost are one and the Righteousness and the Grace of God is of the same Essence and they are one in property quality and vertue 1 John 5.7 Joh. 10.30 Hos 13.4 Quest Why doth the Apostle Peter say Acts 4. that there is no other name given among men whereby they might be saved but by the name of Jesus Christ if Grace and Christ are one Answ The same Apostle saith Acts 15. we believe through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved Paul the Apostle saith ye are saved by grace through faith not of your selves it is the gift of God Eph. 5.8 Names or Sounds gives not a beeing unto Substances but demonstrates them according to their nature offices operations and vertues there are differences of administration and diversities of operations but it is the self same Lord 1 Cor. 12.5 besides him there is no Saviour Hosea 13.4 Esa 44.6 Rom. 1.17 The sound Jesus and Saviour is one Quest Is this the Testimony of God and his Prophets and of wise men to wit that the Lord is in men and searcheth all hearts Answ Yea This is the Testimony of God and his Prophets and wise men to wit that the Lord is in their hearts in the midst of them searching all hearts Hos 11.9 1 Chro. 28.9 Quest What then is the saying of the Fool and of them that are in the Tire of an Harlot Answ The Fool saith in his heart there is no God Psalme 14.1 and them that are in the Tire of an Harlot saith the good man is not at home he is gone a long Journey Prev 7.19 Quest Are there three spirits in man
to wit the spirit of God Man's spirit and the spirit of the wicked one if so what is their natures properties or qualities and their workings in man Answ Yea there are three spirits in man first the nature of God's spirit in man is the Light powerfull in its operations immutable in his Essence admitting no sin to joyn to it the property and quality of it briefly it is meek wise searching all hearts and making manifest unto men their thoughts and the motion of Sathan in their flesh 2ly The nature of the spirit of man singly considered is mutable the quality or property of ill in its working is its simple fierce furious they that follow their own spirits as it s written have seen nothing Ezek. 13.3 3ly The nature of the spirit of the wicked one is irreconcilable to any good the property or quality of it in its working is It s subtile envious and mischievous always in his working in man he moves to man to do things contrary unto the beeing of God in man whose being to wit God's in us is as a Law by which Law we know that when we would do good evil is present in and with us according as it s noted in Scriptures of truth without us Rom. 7.21 mark the spirit of man is not begotten by man or gendered of man as some in Print have affirmed then it would be mortal neither is it that breath which God breathed in man by which man became a living soul as others in Print have affirmed but mans spirit is given him of God and is of the same substance that the created Angels are of and it s that feeling sensible spiritual part in man by which we receiveth the things of the spirit or breath of God That man's spirit is not the breath of God it may appear thus by the breath of the Lord was the Heavens made and all the Host of them Psal 33.6 and by the breath of his mouth he will slay the wicked Esa 11.4 2 Thes 2.8 Quest If there be three spirits in man Is not there also three estates of man Answ Yea the Son of God Christ Jesus is the righteousness of God when man is in him then man is in his first estate in which he was formed out of which the Devil is and into it he cannot come but when man is between righteousness and unrighteousness then man is as when he was born which is man's second state To man in that state the Serpent can come as he did to the Woman when Man transgresseth then man is in that which God created not nor man in it which is man's third estate In it the Devil is and moveth and it 's under the wrath of God He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and awake to righteousness and as it 's written sin no more Joh. 5.14 Quest Seeing that there is a three-fold state of man in which may a man abide and walk and not commit Sin Answ In the righteousness of God Christ Jesus the way of holiness may a way-faring man though a fool walk and not erre therein Isa 35.8 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not 1 John 3.6 Righteousness exalts a Nation sin is a shame to any People Pro. 14.34 Quest What is the ministry of them that walk and abide in Christ and wherein do their worship consist and in what do they worship and what is the effects that follows of their ministry to them Answ Our ministry is that true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World our worship doth consist in answering the Lord's requirings we worship the Father who is God over all in him in whom we walk and abide the effects of the ministry unto us is It makes the comers thereunto perfect our upright and satisfies our souls and gives us the knowledge of God which is life eternal John 17.3 which no changable ministry can do and by it in our hearts as it s written Math. 5.8 we have seen God to whom be glory for ever Quest Why have and do not God's People worship and walk with sinners in their worships Answ Because sinners ministry is changable and after the Law of a carnal Commandement and their worships consists in teaching and worshipping after the precepts of men which is not bread Isa 55.2 Now Christ have forewarned his people to beware of men that teach for Doctrine the Precepts of men Mat. 16.12 But in vain saith he do they worship me teaching for Doctrine the Commandements of men Mat. 15.9 Mark 7.7 Again by his Apostles we are forewarned to turn from them that have a forme of godliness and do deny the power 2 Tim. 3.5 Again we are forewarned by the Wise man Prov. 19.27 to cease to hear the instruction that causeth to erre from the words of Knowledge so likewise by the Lord of Hosts in Jeremy 23.16 Now blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly nor standeth in the way of sinners Psal 1.1 To all Rulers whom it may concern A few words to consider of seeing there is a time that one Man may bare rule over another unto his own hurt Eccl. 8.9 IN the Apostles Days they exhorted the Saints to be subject unto every Ordinance of Man for the Lord's sake to the King to the Rulers to all that was set in Authority under him for said they the Powers that are are of God the Rulers that then was did not judge men for questions and names and words that related unto Religion as it s noted in the Scriptures of truth Acts 18. When the High Priests brought Jesus Christ before Pilate and accused him of Blasphemy producing their Law for it John 19.7 Pilate denyed them to give Judgment in that case John 18.31 Again when Paul the Apostle of Jesus Christ with others was brought before Galio the Governour of Acaya about words and names relating to Religion Galio said if it were a matter of wrong or evil deeds reason would that I should bare with you but if it be a question of words and names or of your Law look ye to it your selves for I will be no Judge of such matters Acts 18.16 Mark that Again the 20th Article of the Church of England saith it s not lawfull for the Church to ordain any thing contrary to Gods word written neither may it so expound one place of Scripture that it be repugnant to another Again the 2d Collect for Peace in the Common-prayer Book saith The service of God is perfect freedom this saying is true Is not compelling to worship contrary to perfect freedome judge in your selves the things that are meet for we who fear the Lord are to prove all things and do by the spirit of truth which is within us finde and according to the Scriptures of truth that the sayings of many and their doings do not agree Consider of it I pray you that so you may do things worth to be called by us who