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A66530 The lying spirit and false aspertions turned home again, or, An answer to two reviling letters about the peoples right to tythes sent to the people call'd Quakers in the Vail of Bellvier by Clement Nedham, a Presbyterian, who writes himself, a farmer in the county of Leicester : wherein I have shew'd according to scriptures, what spirit it was that brought up tythes among the Christians, so call'd : and that those that brought them up since Christ put an end to them were not in their right senses, but were made drunk by drinking of that spirit of error that made them do they knew not what, and consequently their examples not to be followed : with an addition, shewing, that the impropriator hath less right to tythes then the poor or priest, if less can be : with a few words in love to all those that send their sons to those places called universities, with an intent to make them ministers : also a copy of a letter sent to G.N. in manuscript, wherein his unhansom and unchristian-like dealings may be seen : with a short postcript to the reader / by J.W. ... Willsford, John. 1673 (1673) Wing W2872; ESTC R40124 16,433 28

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chargeable to any 1 Thes 2.9 Acts 20.33 34. Then I also believe That if they be so called forth in the Service of the Lord from their outward Callings as that they cannot labour with their Hands to maintain themselves or Families that then they may reap Carnal Things where they have sown Spirituals or where they have planted a Vineyard they may eat Fruit or where they have fed a Flock they may eat Milk But the Jews were not to take Tythes of Strangers the Priests were not to receive Wages of them they did no Work for for that is counted unreasonable among men to ask Wages of them they do nothing for But the Power of God compels them that are in it if Need be to administer Carnal Things to those that sow unto them Spirituals and there needs not an Outward Law to compel to it for their Ministry takes Effect and begets a Love and a Life in the Hearts of their Hearers but a Dead Ministry begets neither Love nor Life in the Hearts of people and so such Ministers are forced to cry out for an Outward Law to compel people to maintain them in Pride and Idleness and Welfare contrary to Paul's Exhortation to Timothy 1 Tim. 6.7 8. who said We brought nothing into this World and it is certain we can carry nothing out having Food and Rayment let us therewith be content But these are not so content but have great Revenues as is well known And are not these Revenues the Cause why so many men send their Sons to those Places called Vniversities which makes our Nation swarm with so many Locusts that destroy our Corn and would devour every Green Thing in God's Garden and preach Peace to people in their Sins while they put into their Mouthes and so cause them to Err Mic. 3. and keep from the Light that gives the Knowledge of God and of his VVayes and call it Delusion and so keep people in the Erring and Straying from the VVay of God like lost Sheep This is one Cause why we can pay our Rents to Vitious Landlords or Papists and yet can't pay Tythes to the Priests for they are Upholders of them in their Wickedness if they will but satisfie their Ends and many of them are Evil Examples themselves Another Cause why we can pay our Rents to Vitious Landlords or Papists but cannot pay Tythes to the Priest is because we usually come into Covenant with our Land-Owners to pay them Rent but so we do not to the Priests to pay them Tythes Yea and we can pay our Chief Rents and Taxes to the King Christ said Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar 's and to God the things that are God's but never commanded his Disciples to pay or take Tythes And were not Tythes God's Malachi 3. And when he ceased requiring of them did they not become the people's Right C. N. pag. 13. tells us a Story of some Conference he had with some of our Perswasion in London some years since whether True or False I cannot tell however he seems to take Occasion against the Light in our Consciences and saith Though I grant That the True Spirit of God cannot Deceive yet a Lying Spirit was in all the Mouthes of Ahab 's Prophets and I pray you saith he think it not Impossible that such a Spirit may be in you while yet you think you have the True Answ And now seeing he sayes so I think it not amiss to consider the Fruits and the Effects of the False Prophets in whom the Lying Spirit was and is that so we may know it where it appeareth now or where it hath appeared in late years The False Prophets Encouraged Ahab saying Go up to Ramoth-Gilead and Prosper for the Lord shall deliver it into the Hand of the King Michaiah the True Prophet said to the King A Lying Spirit is in the Mouthes of these thy Prophets and the Lord hath spoken Evil against thee Then Zedekiah the Son of Chenaanah the False Prophet came near and smote Micaiah upon the Cheek and said Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee And Micaiah said Behold thou shalt see in that Day when thou shalt go into an Inner Chamber to hide thy self Then the King said Take Micaiah and carry him back unto Ammon the Governour of the City and say Thus saith the King Put this Fellow in the Prison and feed him with the Bread of Affliction and with Water of Affliction until I come in Peace And Micaiah said If thou return at all in Peace the Lord hath not spoken by me Ahab Disguized himself yet a certain man drew a Bow at a Venture and smote him between the Joynt of the Harness that he Dyed 2 Chron. 18. 1 King 22. And was not this many of your Cases who are called Presbyterians when ye were exalted in your Power Did you not carry away as your own the Bishops Lands Gleab-Lands and some Men's Free Estates which was theirs by a Law the Crime C. N. layes to the Quakers and exalt your selves in Pride by them and forget the Lord Of which things you cannot accuse the Quakers since they were a People For as they were Convinced of God's Truth they left you and bare their Testimony against you and many of them you put in Prison and fed them with Bread and Water of Affliction and some Dyed in Prison by Reason of Hard Usage And did not those Prophets in whom the Lying Spirit was preach Peace to you in all these things and encouraged you to go on as Ahab's Prophets did Then did the Lord raise up many True Prophets and sent them among you who told you If you went on in Self-endedness Pride and High-mindedness ye should be broken witness George Fox the younger who told you AS YOU HAD BEATEN HEWED AND BROKEN OTHERS EVEN SO SHOULD YOU BE BEATEN HEWED AND BROKEN YOUR SELVES And did not this come to pass Yea and this with much more stands in Print over your Heads at this day And did not the Teachers of the Nation Encourage you to go on and petition against the Quakers calling the Truth Heresie And how did they flock to Richard Cromwell and called him Joshua who should carry them into the Promised Land which was but Tythes and Augmentations But alas how did the Lying Spirit deceive them and all that believed them and their Prophecying insomuch as that all their Harness would not save them from God's Arrow And how did those hid themselves that had smitten the True Prophets and fawn and flatter and walk disguisedly like Ahab and some put on a White Surplice on the top of a Black Coat to save themselves So I hope People will see where this Lying Spirit was and is C. N. granteth the True Spirit cannot Deceive so the Prebyterians and their Priests may take the Lying Spirit home to themselves and be ashamed that ever they Beat Imprisoned Whipped and Stocked the True Prophets and