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A43233 Controversy ended, or, The sentence given by George Fox himself against himself and party in the persons of his adversaries ratified and aggravated by W. Penn (their ablest advocate) even in his huffing book of the vindication of G.F. &c. : being a defence of that little book intituled, The spirit of the Quakers tryed ... Hedworth, Henry. 1673 (1673) Wing H1351; ESTC R19542 43,134 72

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spoken of And for so doing pretend the guidance of God's infallible Spirit And W. P. tells us p. 38. 'T is their Principle That the Eternal Spirit their Guide and Rule who in several Generations hath revealed a great part it seems not al of the things contained in the Scriptures to be superior to those Writings and below that The Scripture is much like the shadow of the true Rule I say of what use can this shadow of a Rule be to these Persons 2. Whether I did not take the most proper way of dealing with these men in my Epistle shewing to their senses that G. F. in his Ministry had asserted for Written and Spoken that which is not Written nor Spoken 3. Whether any ingenuous man could express a charge more modestly than I did when I said You seem at least to deny his Person seeing I have now and could then have prov'd that they not only seem to deny Christ's Person but do effectually deny it both in the sense of their Adversaries and in their own sense of that word 4. Whether Mr. Pen be not either a very weak man or was not in a great rage or both that he should write such a Book as this I have in hand when he might know before what I could produce against them For he might castly imagine that I could have recourse to that Christian Letter wherein these things had been represented to him which he received above twelve months agoe and takes no notice of 5. Whether he will impute it to Mr. P's want of all honestly and good Conscience or to a transport of Passion and Revenge that he makes such hideous out-cries of Sacriledges and Ingratitude toward Christ Jesus against those he calls Mongrel-Socinians because they will not own that God was called Christ before Jesus was born and in the mean time himself to deny whatsoever of Essence Substance Person Power Life or Happiness is attributable to Jesus as he is the Mediator between God and Men Lastly Whether the Reader will not freely give me himself and all other Christians a Supersedeas or Dispensation from ever writing or speaking any more about matters of Religion to such men that deny the Conclusion when their senses evidence all the Premises that condemn that falsity in other men which they excuse in themselves that palpably belie other men to get glory to themselves that deny Christ totally under his name and pretence of Zeal for his Divinity finally that are such notorious Equivocators as I have manifestly prov'd these men to be Nevertheless because Mr. P. has made it his great study to render me consequently what I have said thought 't is inconsequent enough odious detestable under the name of Socinian Bidlean and the like although I wrote nothing but what was approved by men of learning and piety and strangers to me and for ought I know to all my Friends I will therefore present to the Reader a short account of these mens opinion concerning Christ who for distinction sake call themselves Vnitarians being so called in those places where by the Laws of the Countrey they have equal liberty of Religion with other men or because they own but one Person and one Substance or Essence of the most High and Independent God and to distinguish them from other Christians that hold Three Persons and one Essence of God and are therefore denominated Trinitarians I say therefore that they are very zealous Assertors of the Unity of God and that is the reason as they solemnly profess why they cannot allow of three Persons in the God-head because they think it destroys his Unity or Oneness and I have shew'd that the Quakers W. P. especially do also disallow them Notwithstanding the Quakers according to their equivocating manner can call God the Father by the Name of Christ and the other cannot I know not that they differ in one tittle more concerning the one God But concerning the one Mediator between God and Men the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim. 2.5 The Vnitarians willingly and heartily acknowledge that he was fore-ordain'd before the foundation of the World 1 Pet. 1.20 that he was born of the Virgin Mary by the coming of the Holy Ghost upon her and the power of the most High overshadowing her Luk. 1.35 and therefore he is called IS the Son of God likewise that he and no Man but he ascended into Heaven and descended thence John 3.13 being sanctified and sent into the World into which he came not to do his own Will but the Will of him that sent him John 6.30 that by reason of this mission and sanctification he did whilst he was here upon Earth deservedly challenge the Name of God or the Son of God John 10.34 35 36. in a far more excellent sense than either the Magistrates among the Jews that were called gods and Sons of the most High Psal 82.1 6. Or Moses who was God to Pharaoh Exod 7 8 and also to his Brother Aaron Exod. 4.16 Heb. or than any Angel who in the Dispensation of the Law did represent God and was therefore called by his Name Acts 7.35 Exod. 23.20 Gal. 3.19 see Jud. 13.22 And that as there was but one God then so there is but one God now notwithstanding that Jesus is God over all Unto which glorious and supream Dominion next to the most high God himself Jesus did attain by doing the Will of God fully and perfectly on Earth the perfection of which obedience was that being as is said in the form of God he thought it not robbery or a prey to be equal with God but made himself of no reputation c. and became obedient unto Death even the death of the Cross Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given him a Name which is above every Name that at the Name of Jesus every knee should how and that every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father Phil. 2.6 7 8 9 10 11. That God hath made that same Jesus whom ye the Jews have crucified both Lord and Christ Acts 2.36 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5.31 God raised him seem the dead and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places far above all principality and power c. For by God's exalting Jesus and setting him at his right hand they understand that the same Man Jesus that was crucified and raised from the dead was also taken up in the sight of the Apostles into Heaven a Cloud receiving him out of their sight Acts 1.9 And that he is there having not now a Body of Flesh and Blood for flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God 1 Cor. 15.50 but an heavenly spiritual incorruptible and glorious body of a Man the like whereof all Saints shall have in the Resurrection when this Man Jesus shall descend from Heaven to judge the World that in the
Wife and is now G. Fox's concerning whom he gave forth a Paper that his marriage with her was a sigure of the Marriage between Chirst and the Church Likewise that his Marriage was above the state of Adam in his Innocency in the state of the second Adam who never fell Thus I find it reported by a certain Quaker in a Letter a notable piece to his Friend The same person faith That upon two occasions persons kneel before G. Fox though 't is done in a very private manner and but by a few the one is when he sends them forth to Administer the other is upon some misdemeanour committed by a Minister who acknowledging his fault upon his bended knees George absolves him My next Argument was thus Christ saith Be ye not called Kathegetai but he doth not forbid them to be called Kyrioi and we find in Scripture Philip called by Strangers Kyrie and Paul and Silas Kyrioi and Chirst himself mistaken for a Gardener by a notable Disciple called Kyrie and all without rebuke therefore the compellation of Kyrie is not forbid in Kathegetes If it be our Lord Jesus himself as well as the Apostles will be brought under suspicion of conniving at sin in a place where he had opportunity to correct it And besides the inspired Writers giving us no notice of any failure in any of these cases the Scripture and practice of Christ and the Apostles and Primitive Believers will be so far from being of Example and Teaching to us that they will be a temptation to us unto evil and as Mr. P. sayes like the shadow of the true Rule that is an evening shadow which is five times as long as the substance it self Let the Reader see now if he can pick any thing out of W. P's answer but evasion and shuffle He saith indeed in excuse of our Lord's silence in the case that he never particularly check't Peter for denying him which how parallel to this case let the sober Reader judge and how boldly our Lords innocence is called into question and how lamely defended And whether G. F. would have incurred that suspicion of guilt in the like Circumstances or the only Scripture of his Life and Doctrine wrote by the Quakers left him under it 31. As for his defence of Women speaking in the Church it 's like the rest meer shuffle Judge what a pliant Conscience this man has who can accuse some that he had nothing to do with of making John speak equivocatingly because they do not expound Scripture to his sense and me a little before of strange irreverence to Holy Writ for restranining the Text which himself also restrains and here behold what a sense he puts upon 1 Cor. 14.34 35. as if he were expounding one of the old Poetical Fables But at length he comes to this I permit not an unlearned or ignorant Woman to speak in the Church And Did the Apostle permit or Do the Quakers permit unlearned or ignorant men to speak in the Church I said The Apostle forbids Women by Sex in those cases wherein he allows men by Sex to speak in the Church Where 's his Answer Find it that can He tells us of Women's labouring in the Lord Helpers in Christ Jesus Servants of the Church as if they might not do all that without speaking in the Church where there were men enough qualified for that work He tells us of Women prophesying for among them the Quakers any profound vehement prattle may serve for that but I never yet heard of a Quaker that spake an unknown Tongue And yet one would think they needed it enough when they are sent to the Indians or to the Great Turk 32 33 34 35 36. These five Instances Jam. 3.2 Ephes 5.25 Heb. 10.27 Joh 2.10 2 Pet. 1.4 the change of the Phrase in the two first and last and the defect in the third and fourth do all favour their doctrine of Perfection which is indeed a Doctrine of Sin and Imperfection for he is a persect Man according to them who sins not against his immediate Light or Conscience and so their Persection is consistent with all manner of sins of Ignorance of Error proceeding from any passion as is most manifest in these two G. F. and W. P. who must be accounted perfect men notwithstanding all their blasphemics against God and Christ and conrumelies against men which I have evidently demonstrated And then it 's consistent with sins of Omission in great plenty for whil'st they deny the Worship and whole Religson of all but themselves they must of necessity want that love toward them which is due to Christian Brethren Behold here a sort of Christians without either Faith in the true Christ or love to his faithful Servants 37. And it 's not a little mischief that has been wrought by that Notion of God's working all in us and for us which G. F. will have the Apostle to say and W. P. beings three Texts from whence he infers it as if I had charged G. F. with a false Infexence and not false Scripture 38. Our Translation hath Isa 8.20 If they speak not according to this Word it is because there is no Light in them But G. F. You that speak not according to that Rule it is because you hate the Light in you And W. P. instead of vindicating him rails at me Who knows not what that change meant 39. That G. F. may disparage the places wherein other Christians worship God saith Is God worshipped in Temples made with hands And would have his Reader take that for Scripture W. P. saith nothing to it 40. I shew'd in my Epistle p. 27. what Error of the Quakers is countenanced by G. F.'s putting is for was 2 Cor. 5.19 as if there were no work done by Christ for reconciling men which he was not and is not alwayes a doing I shew'd also that G. F. said God was in Christ reconciling himself to the World But W. P. takes no notice of it He seems to have wrote his Book only for the Quakers or those that either never read my Epistle or else have forgot it Upon the whole Matter for I have exceeded my intended brevity let the impartial Reader judge of W. P's and my performance in tals Argument And whether I have not prov'd by evidence of sense what I undertook viz. That G. F. is a false Prophet a Lyar or Impostor Yea whether W. P. himself hath not confirm'd unawares this Sentence concerning him Whether it is not horrid impiety for these men to pretend the guidance of God's infallible Spirit in what they write and to run in to such Absurdities Falsities and pernicious Errors as I have prov'd them guilty of Whether it will not be great folly in me or any man henceforward to write or indeed to speak to these men concerning Matters of Religion except perhaps further to discover their deceit whilst they practise such unheard-of Equivocation in their words as