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A69145 The progenie of Catholicks and Protestants Whereby on the one side is proued the lineal descent of Catholicks, for the Roman faith and religion, from the holie fathers of the primitiue Church ... and on the other, the neuer-being of Protestants or their nouel sect during al the foresayd time, otherwise then in confessed and condemned hereticks. ... Anderton, Lawrence. 1633 (1633) STC 579; ESTC S100158 364,704 286

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11.26 As often as you shal eate this Bread and drink the Chalice you shal shew the death of our Lord vntil he come to wit at the day of Iudgement Answerably to these Scriptures Protestants teach concerning Preachers that (33) Fulk in his Answ to Counterf Cath. p. 100. The truth can not be continued in the world but by their Ministrie that therefore (34) Propositions disputed in Gen. p. 845. The Ministerie is an essential Mark of the true Church M. Deering (35) Vpon the Epist to the Heb. c. 3. lect 15. 16. teacheth that Saluation springeth in preaching of the Ghospel and is shut vp againe with ceasing of it And that Take away preaching you take away Faith for which he citeth manie Scriptures D. Fulk (36) Answ to a Counter Cath. p. 11. 92. affirmeth that the Churches Pastours shal alwayes resist al false opinions with open reprehension And M. Deering (37) Vpō the Hebr. in c. 2 lect 10. is of opinion that The Religion being of God no feare of man shal keep them back because that were to k●ep the honour of God for corners and solitarie places For as the (38) Rom. 10.10 Apostle prescribeth with the hart we beleeue vnto Iustice but with the mouth Confession is made to Saluation (39) Sermōs vpon the Canticles Englished p 79. 80. Beza confesseth that there must be Pastours and Doctours to the end of the world for the administration of the Word and Sacraments And (40) See the Survay of the Holy pretēded c p. 440. 441. The Ministrie of the Word and Sacraments are in absolute degree of Necessitie to Saluation D. Whitaker (41) Cont. Duraeum l 3 p. 260. assureth vs that they are Essential Notes of the Church (42) Ibid. p. 249. which being present they do constitute a Church and being absent do subuert it And D. Willet (43) Synopsis p. 71. auoucheth that These Markes can not be absent from the Church and it is no longer a true Church then it hath these Markes for 44 Ib. p. 69 as he further saith The only absence of them do make a nullitie of the Church Lobechius (45) Disput Theo p. 213. speaking of these Markes and of the Church affirmeth that They are coupled togeather with so streight and indiss●luble a knot that in the assemblies of those who are called the one can not be without the other and the one denyed the other of necessitie is to be denyed Hiperius (46) Meth. Th p. ●48 557. teacheth that These Notes are needful to distinguish the true Church from the false that men careful of their Saluation may know where the true Church is and to which Companie chiefly they ought to adioyne themselues By the premisses now it is euident aswel by the sacred Scriptures as by the manifest Confessions of Protestant Writers that the Church of Christ must euer haue in her Ecclesiastical Pastours and Preachers which must be lawfully sent and ordinarily called by the Church and which must preach the true Word and Faith and administer the holie Sacraments The only poynt therefore resting to be examined is whether the Roman or Protestant Church hath euer had in al Ages the forsayd Pastours lawfully called and succeeding one another truly preaching the holie Word and administring the Sacraments And first concerning the Protestant Church Al personal Succession of Pastours hath been so interrupted or rather altogeather want●ng that in steed of anie Successi●n of Pastours to be named it is at large confessed before (47) Before l. 3. c. 1. that their Church hath been wholy Inuisible and vnknowne for manie hundred of yeares togeather Yea Caluin [48) In Lascicius de Russor c. R●lig p. ●3 And see Caluin Inst l 4. c 3. sec 4. Danaeus Isagog part 4. p. 36. plainly confesseth that Through the Tyrannie of the P●pe the true Succession of ordination was broken off in the Protestant Church And agayne (49) Tract Th. p. 374. The Church of God for some Ages was so torne and pulled a-sunder that she was destitute of true Protestant Pastours (50) Ep. Theol. ep 5. Beza acknowledgeth that among them ordinarie vocation was no where extant And (51) Disputationes Theol. p. 719 Sadel relateth that sundrie Protestants who acknowledge the doctrine which their Church doth embrace to be true and grounded vpon the expresse word of God do yet affirme the Ministers with them to be destitute of lawful calling as not hauing a continued visible Succession from the Apostles times which they do attribute only to the Papists In like sort saith Bullinger (52) Vpon the Apocalyps ser 145 fol. 137. S●e Libauius in his Gretzerus triumph p. 102. and knewstubs in Confut. of the principal pointes of Popery p. 38 Albeit we can not at this day referre our calling to the Pope and Bishops which brag of lawful Succession yet for so much as we can proue that our Doctrine is Christs Doctrine and therefore that our Ministerie is lawful we care not a whit c. So confessedly is the Protestant Church destitute of lawful Calling And to touch breefly the Calling and Succession of our English Ministerie wheras D. Barlow in his Sermon before the King at Hampton Court publickly taught that The Apostles reserued Ordination to themselues and conueyed it to Bishops c. Neither would the Church of Christ succeeding admit anie other but Bishops to that busines as not iustifyable for the Presbiters either by reason example or Scripture c. Not one Example sayth he is to be showed through the whole Storie Ecclesiastical that anie besides a Bishop did it if some one of the inferior rank presumed to do it his act was reuersed for vnlawful It is so certaine that our Catholick Bishops after the death of Queen Marie were so far from Consecrating those other which were for such named by Q. Elizabe●h at her entrie to the Crowne and from whom sithence al the Protestant Clergie of England deriueth itself that the (53) p 177. Protestant Writer of The Assertion for true Christian Church-Policie auoucheth that It cannot be proued that anie Lord Spiritual was so much as present in Parlament or gaue anie assent to the Enacting of Statutes made Anno primo Elizabethae Yea in supply therof there was a Statute made An. 8. Eliz. c. 1 the Title therof being An Act declaring the manner of making and Consecrating Archbishops of this Realme to be good And towards the end of that Statute it is enacted that Al Acts done by anie Person about anie Consecration c. by vertue of the Queens Maiesties Letters Patents shal be good c. And that al Persons that haue been or shal be Consecrated Archbishops c. shal be Archbishops c. But the then Parlament or her late Highnes Letters Patents could not enable the first Protestant Bishops to be true Bishops because that function is not Ciuil but Spiritual and ex
with Christ And in his Epistle to Caluin he further reproueth for this Doctrine Cyril and some other Fathers Caluin (14) Lib. Ep. Resp ep 208 p. 392. speaking of the Real Presence writeth thus Although I see the ancient Fathers and especially Hilarie and Cyril to haue gone further then was fitting c. They in their ignorance catched fly to a miserable refuge c. But lest these new fusores forgers should vrge their authority it shal be sufficient for me not to subscribe c. So likewise (15) In Apolog Conf. August fol. 128. Melancthon alledgeth a Saying of S. Cyril as affirming the Real and corporal presence And the like doth Bucer (16) In his scripta Angl. p 616. 617 both of S. Hilarie and S. Cyril But to arise yet to more ancient times the Protestant (17) Common●factio cuiusdam Th ologi de S Caena c. p. 211. 2●8 Vrsinus affirmeth that In Cyprian are manie Sayings which seem to affirme Transubstantiation D. Beard sayth Wheras the Papists reply (18) Rect●a from Romish Re igion p. 245. that they teach no more then Cyprian did Thirteen hundred yeares since who sayd that Christ did beare himself in his owne hands at the last Supper I answer sayth he that Cyprian in that place and the rest of the Fathers els-where did often vse hyperbolical speaches to extol the dignitie of the Sacrament So voyd is D. Beard of better answer to so cleer words of S. Cyprian in proof of Transubstantiation And wheras S. Cyprian himself testifyeth that That bread which our Lord gaue to his Disciples not in shew but in nature changed by the omnipotencie of the Word is made flesh the (19) Cent 3. col 247. Centurists say herof Cyprian in his sermon de Caena Domini thinketh that in the supper there is the true Bodie and Bloud of Christ And the same also do they (20) Cent. 3. col 58. 260. affirme of Tertulian and Origen Yea it is reported and acknowledged by manie Protestant writers that in those verie times of Tertulian Cyprian and Origen Christians were accused that they killed Infants and eate mens flesh which calumnie vndoubtedly thence arised sayth Osiander in that Christians beleeued and conf●ssed that in the sacred Supper of our Lord the Bodie of Christ was eaten and his Bloud drunk Moreouer S. Ignatius who by the confession of M Whiteguift (22) In his Def against Carthwright p. 408. was S. Iohn's Scholler and liued in Christ's time sayd of Hereticks of his time accordingly as is acknowledged by sundrie Protestants (23) Hamelmanus de Tradit Apo. c. 746. Chem. Exā part 1. p. 94 Recitationes de Concilio Scripti libri Cōcor p. 177 They do not admit Eucharists and oblations because they do not confesse the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Sauiour Iesus Christ which flesh suffred for our sinnes (24) Marg. Theol. p. 256 Adamus Franci●ci confesseth accordingly that Transubstantiation entred early into the Church And Antonie de Adamo (25) In his Anat. of the masse p. 236 freely confesseth that He hath not yet hitherto been able to know when this opinion of the Real and Bodilie being of Christ in the Sacrament did begin Melancthon for his supposed worth in learning tearmed by Lauatherus (26) Hist Sacr. f. 47. the Phoenix of his Age writeth hereof saying (27) lib. 3. Ep Zuingl Oecolāp f. 132. There is no care that hath more troubled my mind then this of the Eucharist And not only myself haue weighed what might be said on either side (21) Osiand Cent. 3. l. 1. c. 3. p. 6. The Cent. cent 2. c. 3. col 26. 30. c. 7. col 123. And Cent. 3 c 3. col 10. Vad. Aphor. a● Euchar. l. 6. fol. 198. but I haue also sought out the iudgement of the old writers touching the same And when I haue layd al togeather I find no good Reason that may satisfy a Conscience departing from the Propriety of Christs words THIS IS MY BODY Bucer (28) Scripta Eruditorum aliquot virorū de Caena Domini p. 37. And see Hospinian part 1 p. 292. Bucanus loc com p. 714. speaking also of the Fathers in general confesseth that their words sayings are with vs Catholicks and so euidently that he therfore purposely to auoyd their termes as being sayth he Seruiceable to Antichrist and ouer much varying from the Scriptures But (29) Six godlie Treat trans into Engl. p 48. Let no man think it strange sayth a French Protestant that the Successours of the Apostles haue from time to time corrupted the true vse of this holie Sacrament of the Eucharist c. And (30) Ib. p. 66 How was it possible that the first Bishops of Rome should draw the Princes Senatours and Romans vnto the Ghospel during the first Three hundred or Foure hundred yeares after Christ seing they did not labour but to corrupt the vse of the holie Sacraments and to restore the Iudaical Cere●onies and the Idolatries of the Heathen So displeasing to Protestants was the doctrine practise of the verie immediat Successours of the Apostles concerning the Sacrament of the Eucharist Now from this beleef of the Real presence of Christs Bodie and Bloud in the Sacrament proceeded first a most special care and warines least anie particle therof should fall vpon the ground S. Cyril of Hierusalem Catech. 5. speaking hereof thus premonisheth Take heed lest anie thing of it fal from thee c. A Saying so plaine that D. Fulk (30) Ib. p. 66 in lieu of better answear tearmeth it a meer Superstitious precept And wheras S. Austin l. 50. homil hom 26. writeth thus of the reuerend respect of those times in this behalf With what solicitude doe we obserue when the Bodie is administred vnto vs that nothing therof fal vpon the earth And Tertulian l. de corona militis we take it heauily that anie of our Chalice or Bread do fal vpon the ground And Origen hom 3. in Exod you that are accustomed to be present at the diuine mysteries doe know that when you receaue the Bodie of our Lord you doe with al warines and reuerence take heed that no litle therof fal downe c. These so learned and ancient Fathers are for these Sayings reproued by M. Parker (32) Against Symb. part 1. p. 148. Vadians Aphoris de Euch f 230. and others And Oecolampadius speaking 33) Lib. Ep. Oecolampadij Zuing. p. 690. of Reseruation of the Sacrament therupon inferreth that Hence was the Religion of the ancient Fathers who took it heauily the Eucharist to fal vpon the earth Secondly from the same beleef of the Real presence proceeded a special Reuerence worship and adoration therof by the ancient Fathers Insomuch that Chemnitius (34) Exam. part 2 p. 92. And see Chytreus de Bap. Euchar p. 472. alledgeth the seueral Sayings of Austin Ambrose and Nazianzene al of them affirming in his