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A18390 A manual of controuersies wherin the Catholique Romane faith in all the cheefe pointes of controuersies of these daies is proued by holy Scripture. By A.C.S. Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643? 1614 (1614) STC 4958; ESTC S113898 48,459 178

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partes of Pennance to wit confession and satisfaction OF CONFESsione Catholique position OF the power of retayning that is not remittinge of synnes giuen to preistes followeth the necessitie of confession of all synnes For if on the one side the synnes retayned and not remitted by Preistes vpon earthe be retayned and not remitted in heauen as is manifest by our Sauioures owne wordes and yf on the other side the priest cannot remitt the synne vnless he knowe it as is manifest he cannot nor cā he know it vnless it be towlde him it followeth necessarilie that he that will haue his synnes remited must by his owne confessione make them knowne vnto him to whome god hath giuen power to remitt them Confession was practised in the Apostles tymes as appear the for manie of them that beleeued came confessinge and declaringe their deedes It is also probable that S. Iames speaketh of this Sacramētall confession when he sayth Confess your sinnes one to another for soe doth Origen vnderstand it saying There is a seauen the kinde of remissione of sinnes though verie hard and laboursome when the sinner washeth his bedd with teares they are made his bread both daie and night and when he is not ashamed to declare his sinne to the Priest of our lorde and to seeke remedie accordinge to him which saithe I haue saide I will pronounce my iniustice against my selfe to our lord and thou hast remitted the impietie of mine hart In whom also that is fullfilled which the Apostle saith yf anie be sick lett him bring in the preistes of the churche and yf he be in sinne they shall bere mitted to him The iudgement of the auncient churche is soe clere in this point of confession that Mr. Fulke a most piuishe enimie to all Catholique Doctrine is compelled by the multitude of most clere testimonies of the auncient fathers to cōfess that it is expedient some tymes in these wordes That it is expedient in some cases for men to confess theyr sinnes to they re pastoure we deny not OF SATISFACction Catholique position 3. THe guilt of the sinne beinge remytted the payne due therfore is not alwayes so pardoned but that often tymes ther remayneth a temporall payne to be suffered for it ether here in this life or els in purgatorie Proofe 1. Forgiue I beseche thee the sinne of this thy people accordinge to the greatness of thy mercie as thou hast beene propitiouse to them since their goeinge out from Egipt vnto this place And our lord said I haue forgiuen it accordinge to thy worde liue I and the whole earth shal be replenished with the glorie of our lord But yet all the men that haue seene my maiestie and the signes that I haue done in Egipt and in the wilderness and haue tempted me nowe tenn tymes nether haue obeied my voice they shall not see the lande for which I swore to their fathers nether shall anie of them that haue detracted me behould it The like is recorded of Moyses Deuter cap. 32. v. 49 and of Aaron Nūbers cap. 20. v. 23. yet noe man doubteth but the sinn for which they were punished was forgiuuen them before they re deathe Dauid sayd to Nathā I haue synned to our lord And Nathan sayd to Dauid our lord also hath taken away thy Syn thou shalt not dye Neuertheless because thou hast made the ennimies of our lord to blaspheme for this thing the sonn that is borne to thee dyinge shall die Catholique position This temporall payne remayning after the guilt of the sinne is remitted may be redeemed by good workes as by fastinge prayer Almes and the like which therfore are truly called satisfactorie Proofe 1. If I shall shut heauen and reane fall not shall bid cōmaunde locustes to deuoure the lande and shall send Pestilence into my People And my poeple beinge conuerted vpon whom my name is inuocated shall doe pennance from theire most wicked wayes I also will heare from heauen will be propitious to theyr sinnes and will saue their land 2. O kinge lett me counsell thee and redeeme thy sinnes with almes thy iniquities with the mercies of the poore 3. Therfore are there amonge you manie weake and feeble and manie sleepe But yf we did iudge ourselues we should not be iudged that is yf we punishe or chastice our selues we should not be chastised of god for our synnes remitted for of such the Apostle speaketh as is manifest by the vers followinge But whiles we are indged of our lord we are chastised that with this world we be not damned Catholique Positions 5. workes done for the satisfactiō of the temporall payne remayning after the sinne be pardoned do no way derogate from the satisfaction of christ his passion Proofe 1. I Paule whoe nowe reioyce in sufferinge for you and doe accomplishe those things that want of the passiones of Christ in my fleshe for his body which is the churche 2. we are heires truly of god and coheyres of Christ yet yf we suffer with him that we may be gloriffied which him Loe here our sufferinge at least a condition necessarie for our glorification 3. To him that is such an one this rebuke sufficeth that is geuen of many where S. Paule speaketh of the Pēnance enioyned vpon the incestious Corinthiane Doe Pennance sayth S. Iohn Baptist and by his life and example shewed what pennance he spake of And agayne yeeld therfore fruit worthy of Pennance But Zacheus standinge sayd to our lord Behould the half of my goodes I giue to the poore and yf I haue defrauded anie man of anie thing I restore fowre fould The doctrine and practise of the auncient churche thouching Satisfaction is confessed by the Centuristes in these wordes The life of those that confessed lesser sinnes was considered iudged whether they had done iust pennance as appreareth by Ciprian lib. 3. epistle 16. and that satisfaction was accustomed to be imposed vpon them according to the quantitie of the fault appearethe by his S. sermone de lapsis Tertuliane also mentioneth the same in his booke of Pennance OF INDVL gences Catholique position THere is in the churche of God power to giue Indulgences or graunte pardonnes that is to remitt and pardonne parte or all the temporall payne pennance or punishment which for the most parte remayneth to be performed or suffered for the satis-faction af the sinne after the guilte of the synn be taken awaye Proofe To the will I giue the keis of the kingdome of heauen and what soeuer thou shalt lose in earthe shal be also losed in the heauens And the same repeated agayne to all the Apostles in another place This power is practised by S. Paule whom you haue pardonned anie ●●ing I also Formy self also that which I pardoned yf I pardoned anithing for you in the personne of Christ Loe here S. Paule at the prayer of others pardoned and assoyled
martyr with any other thinges to the same ●urpose Protes positi God doth not honoure the re●ques of saintes by worKeinge ●y miraculous thinges by them ●her to his owne glorie the ●onoure of the saintes the be●efit of man or the edification of his churche or thoughe he ●oe yet are not the reliques of ●●intes for all that to be honou●ed or reuerenced 2. THE TENTHE CONtrouersie of holy images Catho posi 1. THe images of holy personnes may with out feare of idolatrie or anie other inconuenience be placed in churches and oratories Proofe 1. Two Cherubins thou shalt make beaten golde on both sides of the oracle Lett one cherubin be on the one si● and the other on the other lett them couer both sides of the propitiatorie spreadinge theire winges and coueringe the vaile and lett them looke one towardes the other theire faces turned vn● the propitiatorie wher with the Ark● is to be couered Loe here the commaundement of god himselfe for the placeinge of holy images in the most holy place of the temple or tabernacle not with stādinge that the jewes were most prone vnto idolatric 2. All the walles of the temple rounde aboute ●e graued with diuers engraueinge and caruinge and hee made in them Cherubins and Palme trees and diuers Pictures as it were standing● out of the wall and cominge forthe ●e here holy images made in the ●mple with out anie express cō●aundinge of god 3. Our lorde sayde to Moyses make a ●asen serpent and set it for a signe that beinge striken looketh vpon it all liue Catho pos 2. The jmages of holy persōnes ●ay and ought to be honoured reuerenced and worshiped Proofe The holy Scriptures approuue ●nd commaunde honoure and euerence to be done to diuers thinges for the sole respect and ●elatione which they haue to ho ●y personnes thoughe nether soe euident nor so naturall as the respecte which images haue to the personnes whome they represēt therfore is it euident that they approue and cōmaund the liKe to be done to them Adore you his footestoole because it is holi The Rabins by the foo● stoole vnderstand the Arke of the owld testament which therfo●● according to this commaundement they adored I will adore towarde the holi temple thy feare Loe here adoration o● the temple for respect of god whose how se it is God hath giuen him a name which aboue all names that in the name IESVS euerie knee bowe of the celestialls terestr●alles and infernales Lo● here reuerence commaunded to be done to the holy name of I●SVS Lose of thy shooe from thy foote for the place wherein thou standest is ho● grounde Loe here reuerence cōmaūded to be done to the groūde neere where the Angell stood onely in respect of his presence there woe to you blinde guides that sai● whosoeuer shall sweare by the temple ●t is nothinge but he that shall sweare by the gold in the temple is bownde ●ee blinde for whether is greater the gold or the temple that sanctificthe the gold Loe here the gold in the temple sanctified for beinge in the temple and therfore deserueth reuerence but much more the temple it selfe Now e let the iuditions reader consider whether the image of anie personne hath not a more nee●e and euident relation and respect unto the personne represented by it then these thinges which the holy Sripture auoweth cōmaundeth to be honoured forthe respecte which they haue to some persone worthye of honoure And yf he finde that they haue so in deede as doubtless they haue and further if the persōnes represented by the images deserue honoure and reuerence as is proued before that the saintes and Angelles doe then vnless he be depriued of the light of naturall reason he cannot denye but such holy images may and ought to be honoured and reuerenced in regarde of the persōnes represēted by thē whic● yet is made more playneby this reason The iniurie or contumelie done to the image of any personne is by all men esteemed to redounde to the iniurie or cōtunielie of the persōne represented by it which to omitt infinit other proofes is euident by the wrathe and indignatione which Theodosius a good wise prince conceaued against the citezens of Antioche for castinge downe his wifes statua which iniurie he had reuenged with the ruine of the whole citie yf he had not been preuented by the prudent piouse endeuoures of others The curious reade may see Eusebius of Maximin his statua defaced in dishonoure of the person and also Suetonius of the the like disgrace shewed to Domitiane The dishonoure therfore done to the images redownding to the personnes the same must necessarily be sayd of the honoure Vsed to them And this is euidently true if all naturall reson discours be not false Of the woman cured of the bloodie flix wherof mention is made in the gospell it is recorded that returninge home shee in memorie of that benefit sett vp an image of Christ at the foote whereof grewe an herbe which when it touched the hem of the image cured all diseases which image Iuliane the Apostata threwe downe and sett vpp his owne in the place which was īmediatly destroyed by fyre from heauen But the Image of Christ broken in peeces by the heathen the Christiannes after wardes gatheringe the peeces togeather placed in the churche wher it was as Sozomen writethe vntill his tyme. Seeinge therfore god doth honoure holy images by doing miracles by them for our beuefit why should not wee also honoure them with due reuerence and worshipp or rather the personnes represented by them Therfore when god forbidethe the makeinge and adoreinge of any grauen thing or any similude the meaning is only that no such thing should be made o● adored as god not otherwise For he himself hath commaunded both to make holy images and also to adore his footstoole as is already shewed In like manner therfore as he torbideth to kill not certes absolutly but by priuate auctoritie vpon reuenge malice or other vnlawfull cause so doth he forbid to make and adore anie grauen thinge not absolutlye but as a god And for confirmation of this thou mayest note prudent reader that noe one Catholique father for these 1600. yeares hath euer vnder stoode this commaundement in that sense which the protestantes would drawe it vnto which is more then a probable argument that it is not the true sense therof For the testimonie of the fathers in this pointe I will content my selfe with M. Parkins confession sayinge that the cross begann to be adored about the 400. yeare of Christ And thoughe fraudulently he say yt begann to be adored yet to the manifestation of his owne fraude doth hee bring diuers testimonies of Prudētius Hierome Paulin and others which manifestly shewe that it was then in publique vse not in begining only Note that what is say de of the