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A80400 The old proverbe, as good be a knave, as amongst knaves (though Committee men) is debated, and concluded to be false, by Francis Cooke, and Thomas Gualter, as they were riding between London and Cambridge, and conferring upon this proverb, and many other things usefull for all to know, but more especially for some in authority. In which conference the innocent, and such as have stood for the truth, are made known and commended, and the nocent and such as use deceit and falshood are discovered, and left to bear their deserved shame and punishment. As also the cruel and unreasonable doings of some Committee men, and others, against good men, and such as have been most forward for the Parliament: some of their abuses stript, which deserve to be whipt. Cooke, Francis, of Cambridge?,; Gualter, Thomas. 1646 (1646) Wing C6009; Thomason E316_3; ESTC R200520 22,111 16

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Wilson of whom your brother complained of before that Ia. Whinnell and W. Nichols combined with to deceive the State and that he and the rest joyned against that painfull preacher put in by the Parliament C. The same man I 'le warrant you he is no changeling but I 'le proceed As for my brothers standing out 4. years against that illegall taxe of ship-money and suffered 17.l to be taken from him by violence in that time this hath been since counted for a good work in others that did the like and I hope it will not now be taken by the wise for contention in him for his arresting I. Whinnell in Iune last at London needs no other answer but this that he knew not otherwaies how to get his money and for speaking of his debts and complaining of his fellow sequestrators I gave you a hint of that before after many of his debts came to my brothers knowledge he was forced to reveale them to save himself in giving a reason to Capt. Cole L. Voyce and others why he was so earnest to have W. Nichols sent for to bring in his accounts and money for that he knew them to be both poor and in debt and not responsible for 3. or 400.l they had collected or more for ought he knew they having paid in none and the ordinance of sequestration expressing that the Committee shall be answerable for the acts and doings of their Colectors and knowing if that money miscarried the blame must light upon him he l●●●●g in the same Town where I. Whinnell and W. Nichols lived and they 20. miles of if he did not make it known and disallow of their doings besides my brother had taken an oath to do all things to the best advantage of the Common-wealth so that as I told you in the beginning he was bound in a double band to reveal them and could he have had just proceedings at home amongst his partners when he made severall journies to Ely for it he had not been forced to have complained further off for his own safety and for my brothers pains and cost in getting out the former Vicar of Wisbeech put in by the Bishop and was judged to be so unfit for the place that there was not one that voted for him but when he offered to shew some hundreds of hands in his behalfe it was said they needed no other evidence of the ignorance and blindnes of those people that would set their hands in the behalf of so unfit a man to be their teacher and that they had need of an able minister to teach them better and commended Mr. Barthol Edwards and my brother for their good paines where so few joyned with them and I hope those that set their hands for him will one day when they are better instructed say it was a good work and help my brother to some of the money again he is out of his purse about it And as for framing a false petition and agreeing before hand with a Minister that if he could procure him the parsonage it being worth 200. l. yearly he should farme it for 100.l per An. this is utterly false in every particular and that my brother was in debt 60.l to Mr. Nichols or 60.d either is utterly false he owed my brother above 60. l. which if he would have set but a part of it off when he received his rent according as he had promised in his letters there had been no more ado for it is well known my brother at that time which was about the beginning of this Parliament had store of money lying by him and did lend to poore men at their needs but owed no money to Mr. Nichols nor any other man except that debt for trespasse to Tho. Wilson the Costs of the suit amounting to 5. l. 10. s. which his Atturney had ready for him and he might have had it had not malice so farre prevailed with him as to sue my Brother upon the same judgement to put him to more charges And Mr. Nichols had reason to let my Brother his parsonoge for that hee paid him his rent at his times And the letter he sent to Mr. Nichols hath no such thing in it as is falsly said to be and it is to be seene and the cause of it rightly considered deserveth praise And I hope my brother hath not sought revenge against James Whinnell and the rest his complaining at the Committee of Examinations and accompts being in Iune which was before they sequestred his goods and so could not be in revenge of that But the revenge will fall upon them for after my brother had reproved and complained of them then they to be revenged of him sequester him Again to seeke to the Magistrate for Iustice is not revenge and so did my brother But they to fall upon him themselves who was a Sequestrator with them and spoile him as they did this is revenge in them Neither was my Brother the first moover of those Articles against them but being at a Gentlemans house in London he heard two letters read which came from about Wisbeech complaining of the outrages and uncivill carriages of Iames Whinnell and others that sided with him aleadging that if the Parliament knew what a man they imployed they would not owne him hereupon my brother spake of some things that hee and others could prove against them A Gentlemen being by said men could not keepe their oath and Covenant if they knew such things and would not complaine of them Hereupon my Brother did put them in writing and with others did goe to the Committee of Examinations and as for those that either thinke or speake hardly of him and those that did testifie against James Whinnell for which he is sentenced and imprisoned I thinke they have little reason for who could hear such a well deserving honourable person which hath done so much good not only since the Parliament began but like●ise before For which he deserveth to be had in everlasting honour that both hee and his honourable familie should be scandalized in such a high nature and not endeavour to bring the Authour thereof to dondigne punishment but to stop the mouthes of all such they may take notice that there be others that heard him speake the same scandalous words and that a Gentleman hath given it under his hand in writing that if he bee called hee will testifie he heard James Whinnell speake the same wicked words and there be others can testifie that the hearers of those words did speake of them the same day but there wanted a fit opportunity before that time to make them knowne in its proper place And I beleeve my Brother is so farre from revenge that notwithstanding the wrong hee hath received he could be content to joyne in a Petition to that Noble Lord that although hee hath wronged his Lordship in such a high nature yet upon his humble submission hee might be enlarged And whereas
they say my brother is such a strong Presbyterian c. I le tell you hee is so farre from sideing so as to make the breach wider that hee honours all those that bee godly men whether Presbyterian or Independant not pretending to have so much knowledge as to conclude certainely which is the best where so many Godly men do differ yet according to that small measure of knowledge he hath his judgement is rather inclin●ble for the Presbyterian But desires to wait untill it shall please God to reveal those things to his humble servants that seeke unto him But I le tell you what kind of people my Brother doth not approve of such as the Apostle Peter and Jude speakes of which speake evil of those things they know not nor understand someing out their owne shame and walking after their owne lusts one of them affirmed openly in the Market place at Wisbeech that a Godly learned Preacher that preached there could a ly in the Pulpit because he said whom God loves once he loveth to the end and cited Iohn 13 1. to prove it And threatned hee would pull him out by the eares if he came thither againe And the same man Iames Whinnell another time comming to carpe at an able Ministers doctrine now placed by the honourable Committee for plundered Ministers in Wisbeech tels him the scriptu●es are plaine enough of themselves they neede no interpretation This Preacher demands of him what hee thought of those places where it saith the eyes of the Lord and the Arme of the Lord and the like whether he did thinke that God hath eyes and Armes as men have yea saith he I thinke so for is it not said God made man after his owne Image And this man hath many that side with him and seeke to uphold him such as call our best Preachers Baals Priests Rascalls and the like although they be such as the Apostle Paul commendeth workemen which neede not be ashamed but are able to divide the word of God aright Yet themselves whilst they thus vilifie Godly Preachers are profane in their lives not regarding the Lords daies but speaking their owne words and doing their owne workes on those daies nor observing the fast daies but minding feasting rather then fasting when God and men call for it Gualter I am very glad to heare your answer concerning these complaints for certainly most of these things deserve praise we have had too few such men as your Brother C I am glad to heare you judge so rightly of them he spake truly that said truth may loose at the start yet it will get ground afterwards and winne I le tell you of two or three things more my Brother hath done that his adversaries will now hardly speake of But if the Kings partie should prevaile they will be laid open to the full At the first setting forth of the Parliaments propositions for Horse Men Money and Plate my Brother lent and expended above the tenth part of his poore estate in Iuly 9. and Iuly 12. 164● He listed two ●●●at horses in Moor-fields with their riders ready furnished valued at 42.l besides he kept them in London one moneth at 5 shil. per diem which cost him about 7 pounds more they went forth in Major Gunters Troope the first was raised but the Lord Brookes If every one of his ability had then hearkened to the Parliament and set forth but one such horse with his rider or the value thereof in money at that time as the Citie of London did abundantly in all probability their forwardnesse would so have damped the other side that they would have had no hearts nor hopes to have taken up Armes and so all this unnaturall warre had beene prevented and many thousand of mens lives preserved and multitudes that have beene plundered and undone would still have beene in a flourishing Condition I speake not of those that were contrarie minded for if all men had beene for the Parliament they had not needed to have prepared for their defence I onely speake of those that seemed to bee so but did nothing or very little untill it was too late my Brother being at London in Iuly aforesaid when he listed his horses and their riders it being in harvest time he not regarding so much the getting in of his harvest as the peace of the Kingdome meets with a Country Gentleman of his acquaintace who admired his forwardnesse my Brother answered him he did it to keepe peace for said he if the Countries would doe as many of the Londoners and I have done it would be a means to preserve peace the Gentleman answered my Brother said well but I thinke at that time he did but little but it hath Cost him the price of many such horses since Gualter But why doe you speake of this Now it is too late to helpe it C. I speake of it to this end First that many who now ly under sundry grievances may cease to murmure against others and repent they came not timely to helpe the Lord against the mighty for it may be now said unto them as Paul said to the Marriners and Master of the Ship in another case Sirs you should have hearkened to the Parliament and have saved all this losse And as they were faithfull unto you who made choise of them so ought you to have beene and not have deserted them and the cause in which your selves were interessed with them when they made it publiquely knowne there was need of your helpe Secondly to shew my Brothers faithfulnesse and readinesse at that time which the Parliament must needs take as an acceptable service what though it resemble the two Mites cast in by the poore Widdow in comparison of what others did Thirdly to shew the evill disposition of those that derive their power from the Parliament and have so ill requited him as to take away his Cattle and goods without cause After this my Brother had only two sonnes men growne both which hee set forth to beare Armes for the Parliament who have voluntarily Jepordide their lives in the high places of the fielde have beene in the greatest fights and though I say it they are men that have behaved themselves so as they have had praise Besides my Brother himselfe followed the Armie at least three moneths to encourage the Souldiers at his owne Costs after which he comming to Wisbeech was a chiefe instrument to preserve the Ile of Elye out of the hands of the Parliaments enemies for hee hearing that Sir Ier. Scroote raised Souldiers about Gednie-Cap Welby neare Sutten and others began to fortifie Crowland of another side and Linn Regis of the other side And Captaines entertained at Dodington in the said Isle and began to fortifie there Capt. Pigg spake of beating up a Drum about Wisbeech for Souldiers And that the Castle of Wisbeech was in the hands of the Parliaments enemies whether men and Ammuniton might be quickly and closely conveyed both by