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A32902 A testimony to the fulfilling the promise of God relating to such women who through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become prophetesses, daughters, and handmaidens and their prophecying, teaching, preaching,and praying through the operation of the Spirit of Christ, in the church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture testimonies and examples, out of both the Old and New Testaments, both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel despensation, and the common objection alleged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in I Cor. 14, 34 and I Tim. 2, 12 &c. clearly answered : recommended to the consciences of all that value the testimony of Holy Scripture / by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture, and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth, Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1689 (1689) Wing C396A; ESTC R5431 15,913 20

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to a great Reformation Moreover in Luke 2. you may read how that at the time that the Child Jesus was by the Parents brought into the Temple to do to him after the Custom of the Law There was one Anna a Prophetess a Widow of about Fourscore and Four Years old who departed not from the Temple but served God with Fasting and Praying day and night and in that instant with good old Simeon gave thanks likewise unto the Lord and spoke of Jesus there in the Temple Mark in the Temple to the Church or Congregation there yea to all them that looked for Redemption in Jerusalem now observe she was a Prophetess and departed not from the Temple then where did she Prophesie but in the Temple Pray in the Temple gave Thanks in the Temple and spake of Jesus in the Temple to all that looked for Redemption in Israel And we read not that any of the Priests or Ministers of the Temple did forbid Her neither good old Simeon that was filled with the Holy Ghost and came by the Spirit into the Temple and knew the Mind of God he did not forbid Her to Speak or Pray or Prophesie in the Temple the Church or Congregation no they joyned and was at unity in their Testimony in that blessed Spirit by whom both their Mouths were opened to speak in Prayer and Prophecying to Gods Glory and the Comfort and Edification of all that looked for Redemption by Jesus Christ in Israel Further you may read in Luke 1. how Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost and did Prophesie and Mary blessedly magnified the Lord what gracious Words proceeded from them through the operation of the holy Spirit that 's one in Male and Female Again in John. 4. it may be read how the Woman of Samaria that discoursed with Christ at Jacob's Well went into the City Syehar and Preached Christ to the Men therein and what an effectual Sermon it was though but short Come said she See a Man that hath told me all that ever I did Is not this the Christ and many of the Samaritans of that City believed on him for the Saying of the Woman which testified He told me all that ever I did now by what 's above-said it s plainly evinced that God in the time of the Law poured out of his Spirit upon Daughters and Handmaiden as well as upon Sons and Servants and they Prophesied Preached and Taught yea and Prayed too and Praised the Everlasting God in the Church or Congregation in the Temple and in the prefence of the High-priests and other Ministers of the Temple and we read not that they were for bidden But it may be Objected This was in the time of the Law but now the Gospel time is come and hath not Paul that was a Minister of the Gospel prohibited Womens Speaking in the Church in 1 Cor. 14.34 1 Tim. 2.12 c. To which is answered that by what 's above written its manifest how God did pour out of his Spirit upon some Women Daughters and Handmaidens according to measure in the time of the Law and they Preached or Prophesied and Taught in the Church or Congregation and Praised and magnified God there also through the operation of the Spirit then poured out upon them though but in the time of the Law which was to be fulfilled and come to an end mark that And then God promised that cannot lie to pour out of his Spirit more universally upon all Flesh as may be read in Joel 2. And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters mark Daughters also shall Prophesie your old Men shall dream Dreams your young Men shall see Visions and also upon the Servants and upon the Handmaids mark Handmaids also in those days will I pour out my Spirit O blessed Promise to be fulfilled in the latter Days the Gospel Days yea the Apostle Peter bears Record to the fulfilling thereof as may be read in Acts 2. This is that saith he which is spoken by the Prophet Joel And it shall come to pass in the latter Days saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters shall Prophesie and your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams and on my Servants and on my Handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie mark God saith they shall Prophesie here is the time of the fulfilling of the Promise this is the Gospel Day wherein Daughters and Handmaidens is to Prophesie more universally then in the time of the Law though then God poured out of his Spirit upon some and they Prophesied as before said This is so glorious a Dispensation that the Apostle Paul saith You may all mark all Prophesie one by one yea he adviseth all to follow after Charity and desire after spiritual Gifts But rather saith he mark that that you may Prophesie for he that Prophesieth speaketh unto Men to Edification and Exhortation and Comfort yea he that Prophesieth Edifieth the Church 1 Cor. 14. Now that the Church might be thus Edified hath God Almighty in his infinite Kindness in this latter Day and Gospel Day poured out of his Spirit upon both Sons and Daughters and they may both Prophesie in the Church or Congregation yea God that 's above all hath said they shall Prophesie who therefore can limit the Spirit of the Almighty who can set bounds thereto it s one and the same in the Female as the Male and is through both to speak yea for all in this Church of God that hath the Spirit of God poured upon them may by the same Prophesie to Edification For you may all mark all Prophesie one by one that all may Learn and all may be Comforted c. 1 Cor. 14.31 For it s not the Woman that speaks but the Spirit of the Father through the Male and Female according to Christ's Saying in Mat. 10.20 It s not you saith Christ that speakes but the Spirit of the Father that speaketh in you Now it s not the Man nor the Woman that speaketh but the Spirit that God the Father hath poured upon Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaids in this Gospel Day that Holy Day and Sabboth testified of in Isa 58.13 as followeth thus viz. If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabboth from doing thy Pleasure on my Holy Day and call the Sabboth a Delight the Holy of the Lord Honourable and shalt honour him not doing thine own Ways nor finding thine own Pleasure nor Speaking observe nor Speaking thine own Words here neither Man nor Woman is to speak their own Words for every Woman or Man either that speaks their own Words are forbidden to speak in the Church in the Congregation in the Meetings and Assemblies of Gods People for such regard not the Holy Sabboth the gospel-Gospel-Day and Holy in which
Male nor Female are to speak their own Words for who are Baptized into the one Spirit who have drunk into the one Spirit who have put on the Lord Christ is a new Creature as saith Paul in 2 Cor. 5.17 Therefore if any Man be in Christ he is a new Creature old things are past away behold all things are become new here is the blessed Restoration out of the Fall through Christ that 's one in both Male and Female both hath he purchased by an high price unto himself and such are not to speak their own Words in his Church in this Gospel day and time of his holy Sabboth but to adminster out of the Abundance of the Spirit that God the Father gives here the Spirit utters it self through the Male and Female for both are one in the Spirit of Truth both are one in Christ as may be read in Gal. 3.27 28. For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither Bond nor Free there is neither Male nor Female for they are all one in Christ Here is no difference in Christ Christ may speak in Male and in Female who is it that will limit him in his Church may not he speak through the Daughters and Handmaidens that 's filled with his Spirit as well as through the Sons and Servants being there is no difference all are one in him yea he doth and hath done it in his Church and Congregation who is Lord and Law-giver and is to be Obeyed Worshipped and Served both by Male and Female So its clear that it s not the Woman that 's filled with the Spirit in whom Christ dwells rules and is Head that 's forbidden or not permitted to speak in the Church but such as are silly Women that are ever learning but never come to the knowledge of Christ the Truth that 's not taught by him nor led by him such as obey him not so usurps an Authority speaks their own Words speaks of themselves not from Christ not out of the aboundance of the Spirit that God gives but out of the abundance of their own unsanctified Hearts and Wisdom such whether Men or Women are forbidden to speak in the Church in the Congregation they are to be silent and to learn in Subjection it s a shame for such to usurp Authority and speak Now by what 's before said its cleared that the Spirit is poured out upon Sons and Daughters also and they are to prophesie let 's see what Testimonies the holy Scriptures affords as with respect to Practice since the time of the Gospel revealed First Mary Magdalen was commissioned to Peach and Publish the Resurrection of Jesus Christ to his Disciples as may be read in Matth. 28.7 where she was commanded to go quickly and tell his Disciples That he is risen from the Dead and behold he goeth before you into Galilee there shall you see him lo I have told you And in Mark 16.7 9 10. Mary Magdalen and Mary the Mother of James and Salom were commanded to publish unto the Disciples the Resurrection of Christ where it s said Go your way tell his Disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee there shall you see him as he said unto you Here you may see that these good Women were commissioned by the Angel to preach the Resurrection of Christ to his Disciples Furthermore when Jesus was risen early the first day of the Week he appeared first to Mary Magdalen out of whom he had cast seven Devils and she went and told them that she had been with him as they mourned and wept And in Luk. 24.9 10. And returned from the Sepulchre and told all these things unto the Eleven and to all the rest mark all the rest it was Mary Magdalen and Joana and Mary the Mother of James and other Women Mark other Women also that were with them which told these things unto the Apostles Again in John 20.16 17 18. Jesus saith unto her Mary she turneth her self and saith unto him Rabboni which is to say Master Jesus saith unto her Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father but go to my Brethren and say to them observe and say to them I ascend unto my Father and your Father and to my God and your God. Mary Magdalen came and told the Disciples that she had seen the Lord and that he had spoken these things unto her Hereby its clear that Mary was the first unto whom Jesus appeared after he was risen and the first Preacher of his Resurrection she and the other Women before mentioned spoke of and published the Resurrection of Jesus unto the eleven and all the rest Surely none will deny but the eleven and all the rest was the Church of Christ in that day in this Church they spoke preached and taught and was commissioned thereto by the Lord Christ the Head of the Church the everlasting High-Priest whose Lips preserve true Knowledge whom all are to hear and obey and whoever doth not hear the voice of this Prophet is to be cut off from amongst the People is to be separated from his Church and not to speak therein for its whom he Commissions whom he dictates to and speaks in whether Male or Female that is to Speak Preach and Teach good things to Edification in his Church in the Congregations and Meetings of his People Further Aquilla and Priscilla his Wife were both Expounders of the Way of God more perfectly as may be read in Acts 18. vers 27. Them doth Paul greet by Name in his Epistle to the Romans Chap. 16. and there calls them both his Helpers in Christ Jesus To whom not only Paul but also all the Churches of the Gentiles gave thanks whereby its evident they had been both of them publick Labourers amongst the Believers in all the Churches of the Gentiles Moreover Paul greets the Church in their House here was the Church in their House and must not Priscilla speak in her own House Must not she labour there Must not she Pray and Prophesie there and teach good things there Must she not expound the Way of God more perfectly in her own House where the Church is Is she prohibited to Speak or Teach good things there doth not Paul will that Prayer be made every where where then must this good Woman Paul's helper in Christ pray if not in her own house If she may and ought to pray every where then in the Church In her house she is not commanded Silence by Paul. Again you may read in Acts. 21.8 9. that Philip the Evangelist one of the seven had four Daughters Virgins that did Prophesie and Paul gave directions how and in what manner Women shall Pray and Prophesie as may be read 1 Cor. 11. where he saith Now I pray you Brethren that you remember me in all things and keep the Ordinances as I delivered them unto you every
have heard was set out in Churches That Extraordinary Gifts are not altogether ceased in the Church Gualter an Entertainer and Adviser of Queen Elizabeth's Bishops on Rom. 16. says Paul is not ashamed to call Priscilla his fellow-Helper not ashamed of a Woman at the Church of Rome whose Faith was spoken of through the World. That she was the first named because perhaps she was first converted and more known afterwards instructing her Husband they expounded the Way of the Lord to Apollos and without doubt to many others making their House a publick Meeting-House in time of Persecution Augustin saith Every Father and Mother in a Family should play the Bishop So Gualter called the learned who speaks there much against the haughtiness of the Clergy despising mean helps knowing that in Jesus Christ there is neither Male nor Female So Dr. Cave says Prim. Christ part 1. c. 8. He meets with frequent mention of Deaconesses in ancient Writings as Phebe two Maids in Pliny's Letter to the Emperor Clem. Alex. strom l. 3. Of 〈…〉 calls them She 〈…〉 W. Tindal that famous Martyr in his Answer to Sr Thomas Moor pag. 322. and 287. says In some cases Women may Teach and Baptize and Rule their Husbands too if they be besides themselves Yea says he if Histories be true Women have preached since the opening of the New-Testament And in four Historians of the ancient Church Socrat. l. 1. c. 16. Theod. l. 1. c. 24. Sozom. l. 2. c. 6. Niceph. l. 8. c. 34. we find that a Woman converted the Nation of the Iberes who first converted the King then he preached to the men and she and the Queen to the Women Puffinus saith he received it from Bocurius their first Ruler And even in declining and corrupter times mention is made in Histories what liberty Women had in some Councils As in Wilfrid Samms Brit. a chief Bishops time when he would excommunicate the Scots and Northern English because they would not receive the Romish Rites Hilda Abbess of Whitby in Yorkshire withstood him Illyricus test verit And also in his time in a Council at Baconkeld five Kentish Abesses were not only present but subscribed their Names above all Presbyters and a Bishop G. G. Brit. ch hist Cent. 7. And Illyricus mentions another English Abbess that wrote to the Pope in defence of Ancient Canons And Heldegardis she instructed the Pope in his Life Prophesied c. whom Ja. Max●ell in his Book of Prophesies dedicated to K. James's Bishops produces with many other Women And in the Council of Trent it was confessed That the Service of women in the Church was degenerated Hist Counc of Trent l. 2. In the year 1414. Joan VVhite taught spread her husbands doctrine J. Fox Martyr And Dr. Rol. Taylor speaks of Womens Services In the last Age a Woman was principal Ordinary in the Church hers and in her time there remained Permission for Women to Baptize as well as in her Sisters time Conference at Hampton-Court and I find nothing but there doth yet and then why not to Preach For many therein are permitted to Preach yet not to Baptize And t is a Rule that they that may do the greater may do the lesser However they are not only permitted but commanded in the Liturgies Rubrick to speak in the repetition of the Creed Responses Psalms c. if they be of the Congregation though not Prophe●eises For all are not Prophets Paul says whose restraint therefore is not universal confessed by Judgment and Practice but on occasion of Abuse as Jerom says and Calvin too RICHARD RICHARDSON THE END
A TESTIMONY TO The fulfilling the Promise of God relating To such WOMEN WHO Through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become Prophetesses Daughters and Handmaidens And their Prophecying Teaching Preaching and Praying through the Operation of the Spirit of Christ in the Church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture Testimonies and Examples out of both the old and new Testaments both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel Despensation And the common Objection alledged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in 1 Cor. 14.34 and 1 Tim. 2.12 c. clearly answered Recommended to the Consciences of all that value the Testimony of holy Scripture by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth Thomas Camm This is that which is spoken by the Prophet Joel And it shall come to pass in the latter day saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters shall Prophesie your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams And on my Servants and on my Hand-maidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie Acts 2. Follow after Charity desire spiritual Gifts but rather that you may Prophesie for you may all Prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be edified 1. Cor. 14. For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither Bond nor Free there is neither Male nor Female for you are all one in Christ Gal. 3.27 28. Printed by Andrew Sowle And sold at the three Kyes in Nags-head-Court in Grace-Church-Street 1689. THE PREFACE To the Reader NOtwithstanding that several have written upon the same Subject and that both plain clear and weighty as the Lord by his blessed Spirit hath moved and assisted you yet was I under obligation to cast in my Mite amongst my Brethren that by many Witnesses the matter may be Established in Testimony to the fulfilling that blessed Promise of Almighty God in pouring out of his Spirit upon both Daughters and Handmaidens as well as Sons and Servants and their Prophecying to Edification in the Church and the more especially because the following Testimony hath been a weighty concern upon my mind for several days in the movings and openings of the holy Spirit And now in the tender B●wels of Love sincerely as a Christians Duty and Service Recommends the same to the Consciences of all sort of People that profess Christianity Yet more particularly And first unto such as have taken occasion to render and conclude those People called Quakers to be deluded and sleighters undervaluers and den●ers of the holy Scriptures only because Daughters and Handmaidens through the operation of Gods holy Spirit in the divine movings thereof do in their Meetings and Gatherings together Speak and Prophesie as the Spirit gives utterance that the gain-saying Reflections and common Objections of such may be repelled and fully answered Secondly That all such as are well satisfied in the aforesaid Practice of Womens Speaking and Prophecying in the Gatherings of Gods People which is his Church and Congregation may be furnished with Scripture Testimonies and Examples to answer the Objections of all Gain-sayers And Lastly For the information and help of such as may through a kind of respect to at least the Letter of holy Scripture yet being but little or rather unacquainted with the holy Spirit that opens the mystery therein doth either read them in too literal a Sence or else through Ignorance wrest them and therefore may scruple or doubt of the Fractice of Gods People in this particular now if thou Reader be such a one I tenderly beg of thee to wait low in thy Mind to feel the Illumination of the holy Spirit by which holy Scripture was given forth whereby thou mayst not only have the mystery thereof opened in thee but also receive benefit by what hereafter in this following Treatise out of holy Scripture is in the Love of God recommended to thee in order to thy Satisfaction I have only made use of Scripture Testimony and Examples as through the holy Spirit that good Remembrancer they were brought into thy mind yet I believe much might be added not only from holy Writ but also from the Practice of many Godly Women in the dawning of the Gospel-Day and beginning of Reformation in these latter Ages when the Superstition of Popery began to be discovered and protested against who through the Spirit were made Instrumental in the Hand of God for the building up and confirming others in their Meeting and Congregating together as by Hystory of credit amongst Protestants may more fully be demonstrated but at present omitted for Brevity sake wherefore read and receive the following Lines in true and sincere Love to the Truth as it is in Jesus abandoning all Prejudice that the benefit designed thou mayst reap to Gods Glory Truth 's Praise and thy own Satisfaction and Comfort wherein my end will be fully answered who is one that heartily wisheth to thee and all Men the knowledge of the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus to whom with God the Father be Glory and Praise in all his Churches World without end Amen Thomas Camm Camsgil the 10th Month 1684. A TESTIMONY TO The fulfilling of the Promise of God c. AND first in the time of the Law you may read in Exod. 25. that Miriam Moses's Sister was a Prophetess and prophesied in the Church or Congregation for the Word Church is by worthy Tindal most frequently Translated Congregation And in Num. 11.29 you may read how Moses the Man of God who had the Spirit of God and knew the Mind of God wished that all the Lords People Mark all the Lords People both Sons and Daughters did Prophesie or were Prophets Again you may read in the 4th and 5th Chapters of Judges how Deborah that Judged Israel and was a Mother in Israel through the Spirit of Christ Prophesied and Praised the Lord amongst the People the Congregation or Army to whom the Lord had given a great Victory over their Enemies further it may be observed that Deborah was a Mother in Israel and it s the concern of Mothers to Instruct and Teach their Children yea all others over whom God hath made them Judges and Overseers Again in the 1st and 2d Chap. of 1 Sam. you may read how Hanah Pray●● to and Praised the Lord and rejoyed in Gods Salvation in many gracious Expressions yea and in the Temple and in the presence of the High Priest Eli and we read not that he for bad her And in 2 King 22. you may read how good Josiah King of Judah sent to Husdab the Prophetess to enquire of the Lord by her and not by any other Prophet And you may also read what a blessed effect her Words had upon both King High-priest and People