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A31094	A briefe answer to A discourse, lately written by one P.B., to prove baptisme under the defection of Antichrist, to be the ordinance of Iesus Christ, and the baptizing of infants to be agreeable to the word of God wherein is declared ... that true baptisme and a false church are inconsistent, and cannot stand together : and also maintained, that the baptizing of infants hath no authority from the Scriptures / by R. Barrow.	Barrow, Robert, d. 1697.	1642 (1642)	Wing B967; ESTC R12474	18,380	26

A Briefe ANSWER TO A DISCOURSE Lately Written by one P. B. TO PROVE BAPTISME under the defection of Antichrist to be the Ordinance of IESUS CHRIST AND The Baptizing of Infants to be agreeable to the Word of GOD Wherein is Declared from his owne grounds that true Baptisme and a false Church are inconsistent and cannot stand together And also maintained That the Baptizing of Infants hath no authority from the Scriptures The simple beleeveth every Word but the prudent man looketh well to his goings PROV. 14.15 By R. BARROW LONDON Printed in the Yeere 1642. To the READER ALthough divers of the learned have declared the Baptisme of Infants to be but a humane tradition as P. B. confesseth in his Epistle page 3. yet notwithstanding there be many that have and doe take upon them to countenance the same by the Word of God wherein they commit a double offence one in seducing the people and leading them to disobedience against Christ Mat. 28.19 Mar 16.15 16. whom they are to heare in all things Acts 3. The other in taking the Word of Christ and putting it as a sword into the hands of men to defend and maintaine themselves in such their disobedience against him amongst whom one P. B. hath lately taken part in publishing a booke to proove the Baptisme of Infants to be agreeable to the word of God but as many times it falleth out when men undertake to defend an evill cause he hath so bewrayed the error of that doctrine that in the judgement of any who are but indifferently acquainted with the Scriptures there needs no more be said to discover the falsity thereof and sinfulnesse of his owne practice in the same things wherein unadvisedly hee accuseth others One instance J shall give thereby to cause the Reader in pursuing his discourse to take notice therin hee fighteth against himselfe and in that thing most of all whereupon his whole building standeth which is the perpetuity of the visible Church under the new Testament page 1. and so by consequent of Baptisme whereby the matter of the Church is differenced page 3.4 wherein hee maketh Baptisme to depend upon the Church whence then it must needs follow that unlesse hee can finde such a Church which hath successively continued from the first planting untill these dayes hee cannot assure himsefe that his baptisme received is the ordinance of Christ But pag. 2.3 he confesseth that he knoweth not where any such Church hath continued nor doth hee believe that any can be found that can make such a continuance of the Church to appeare therefore hee received not his Baptisme from any such Church nor is it then by his owne argument the baptisme of Christ but a counterfeit or Idoll come out of the bottomelesse pit as hee himselfe speaketh page 6. Having thus destroyed his foundation and impeached his owne baptisme and the baptisme of the Church of England derived from the Church of Rome a false state the mother of fornications c. as he affirmeth in the 3. page of his Epistle to the Reader his whole building must needs fall to the ground which thing being considered I know it may be thought that an Answer to such a Discourse should be altogether unnecessary for hee that impeacheth himselfe needs no other to accuse him yet neverthelesse hearing that some not well acquainted with the state of this controversie have by his mis-applying the Scriptures in the handling of the same been prejudiced against the truth by him evill spoken of for their sakes therefore is this briefe Answer made wherein not regarding to follow him to and fro in all his vaine wandering and tautologies wherewith his booke is stored I have reduced his whole Discourse into such particular heads as doe either concern the perpetuity of the visible Church the baptisme of the Church of Rome or the baptisme of Infants c. which hee undertaketh to prove for Answer I have made use of little save onely what I have found in his owne writing wherein indeed is sufficient to discover the vanity of his opinion in these particulars and to satisfie any that thereby have taken offence againg the truth but all that is said will appeare to thee courteous Reader in the following Answer and therefore I shall referre thee thereunto and also unto the grace and guidance of Christ our Redeemer in whose service I am alwayes thine R. BARROVV A BREIFE ANSVVER To a Discourse lately written by one P. B. c. FIrst he saith that the visible Church of Christ hath had a perpetuall continuance in the world from the first plantation thereof by Christ and the Apostles and shall so continue unto the end of the world this he saith was prophesied Esa. 9.7.59.21 witnessed Luke 1.33 Acts 5.29 and confirmed Matth. 16.18.28.20 and these Scriptures are stable and true and so to be accounted by all the Saints page 1. I answer That these Scriptures and all other being delivered by the spirit of God 2 Pet. 1.21 are stable and true and so to be accounted of all the world Acts 3.22.23 and yet are not therefore the severall glosses and understandings of men given upon these or other Scriptures alwayes stable and true nor so to be accounted of any man Before wee give credit therefore to his construction of these Scriptures wee will a little examine how he makes the truth thereof to appeare he saith that the perpetuity of the visible Church was prophesied Esay 9.7.59.21 And the Word is yea and Amen c. whereupon then it must needs follow that if the visible Church of Christ hath not had a perpetuall uninterrupted succession in the world ever since the first plantation thereof untill these dayes though this prophesie in it selfe be true yet his understanding and interpretation thereof must needs be false This rule the Lord himselfe hath given us thereby to distinguish the true Prophet from the false Deutron 18.22 hee saith when a Prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord and if the thing follow not nor come to passe that is not the thing which the Lord hath spoken but the Prophet hath spoken it presumptuously Now as hereby wee are taught to distinguish the true Prophets from the false so likewise are wee by the same rule taught to know the true interpretation of every prophesie from the false and therefore when any interpretation of any prophesie is given and accordingly the thing follow not nor come to passe that is not the thing which the Lord hath spoken in that prophesie but it 's a false interpretation and he is a false Prophet that hath given the same of whom wee are taught to beware Matth. 7.15 from which imputation we shall now see how well he acquitteth himselfe First he telleth us that the defection and falling away under Antichrist was very generall and marvellous universall and this he proveth Rev. 13.8 16. to which also he might have added the 3.4 and 7. verses and unlesse the defection under

Antichrist had beene thus universall he saith the Waldenses who appeared in the dawne of the day could not truly have beene called the first fruits unto God as he conceiveth they were pag. 2. We say so too and also firme that the visible Church could not continue under that defection because it 's said it was given to him to make warre with the Saints and to overcome them and if to overcome them they could not continue for if they had not continued then he did not overcome them and kill them with the sword as it is said hee did Rev. 13.7.10 compared with Dan. 7.21.25 Moreover it is said that those which worshipped the Beast were such whose names were not written in the Lambs booke of life therefore the visible Church could not continue under that defection But if it did not there continue yet haply it might continue under the Greekes To this he answereth that indeed the Greekes did not alwayes subject themselves to the Romane power yet were they very little short in defection in so much that according to the measure whereby the Romanists are measured they will stand and fall together well but I demand although the Church did not continue under the defection of Antichrist nor yet under the Greekes whether he doe not conceive that some man may be found able though hee cannot himselfe to make it appeare that the the visible Church hath continued elsewhere in the world Vnto this he answereth that he believeth none can be found able to make any such continuance of the Church to appeare page 3. if any could he would thanke God for such a discovery And who then can believe his exposition of Esay 9.7.59.21 c. seeing that his owne mouth testifieth that no man can be found able to make the truth thereof to appeare and therefore it must needs follow that he hath given a false interpretation of the Scriptures by him alledged to prove the perpetuity of the visible Church neither will he himselfe nor any other be able to cleare him from the imputation of a false Prophet and one that hath spoken presumptuously in the name of the Lord Deut. 18.22 therefore having thus confuted himselfe in this point I thinke it a needlesse thing for mee to spend any more time in the confutation of it But seeing hee confesseth that none can be found able to make any such continuance of a visible Church as he speaketh of to appeare why are we by him blamed for not believing such a continuance page 4. and why are we so often charged for not believing the continuance thereof under the defection of Antichrist pag. 3.4.5 and 9. And why also are we accused for making Christ a widower in not believing a perpetuall succession of the visible Church of Christ seeing he himselfe believeth no man can prove the perpetuall succession thereof What would he have us believe that which he cannot believe himselfe Herein hee is much more uncharitable then the Pope who requireth none to believe what hee and his Church believeth not If Christ must be a widower except he hath alwayes a visible Church in the world then there is no salvation out of the visible Church because none can be saved which are not first united to and made one with Christ and then what shall become of those believers which in all ages have appeared such as Ierome of Prague Iohn Hus c. who lost their lives for the testimonie of Jesus and were never members of any true visible Church I hope P. B. will not say that they perished in their sins and if they were saved then were they espoused unto and united to Christ and if so then Christ hath and so may have a Spouse although no visible Church but P.B. I conceive was so studious when he wrote his booke to bring absurdities upon us that he altogether forgot himselfe Furthermore seeing hee cannot believe that any can be found able to make the continuance of the visible Church to appeare and that as hee saith The administration of Baptisme doth so depend thereupon that by no meanes possible it can be had elsewhere without a speciall commission given from heaven for that purpose such as Iohn the Baptist had page 4. 6. I demand where or of whom P. B. received his Baptisme from the visible Church he received it not for he knoweth not where any such Church is neither doth hee believe that any man can make any such Church to appeare to have continued in the world if any could he would blesse God for such a discovery page 3. 4. Belike then hee received it from one that had a speciall commission like to that of Iohn the Baptists at least by his discourse he would have us to thinke so but I know it will appeare that it was but a Bull But being unwilling to receive this confutation from himselfe or having begun a Discourse so quickly to finish it hee proceeds and tells us that seeing he believes that none can make it appeare that the visible Church hath continued from under the defection of Antichrist then it is more then probable that it hath continued under that defection page 3. But I demand how that can be probable seeing that but a little before he told us and also proved that the defection and falling away under Antichrist was very great and marvellous universall and therefore were the Waldenses who appeared in the dawning of the day not unfitly called the first fruits unto God for they could not be the first if there had beene a continuance page 2. but he saith 2 Thes. 2.4 it is said That the Sonne of perdition who exalteth himselfe above all that is called God or that is worshipped sitteth in the Temple of God shewing himselfe that he is God and therefore the Church hath continued under the defection of Antichrist What is this but I Sir no Sir But I answer That the Temple here spoken of wherein the Man of Sinne sitteth and is worshipped cannot be taken to be the Church of God or that Temple of the living God whereof Iesus Christ is the Head Ephes. 1.22 and wherein God himselfe dwelleth and walketh 2 Cor. 6.16.17 The reason is because that in 3. verse of this Chapter it is said That the Man of Sinne is not revealed untill first there be a falling away and therefore his comming is said verses 9. 10. to be withall deceivablenesse in whom not in the Church but in them that perish who because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved therefore God sent them strong delusions that they should believe lies that all they might perish who received not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousnesse verse 9.10.11.12 Whereupon it must needs follow that that Temple or Societie wherein Antichrist sitteth and is worshipped consisteth of persons departed from the faith verse 3. who are by God justly for that cause given up to believe lies that so