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A89832 Deceit brought to day-light: in an ansvver to Thomas Collier, vvhat he hath declared in a book called, A dialogue between a minister, and a Christian: but by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither. In which answer his lies are returned for the founder to prove; his errors laid open, read, and reproved, and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words. / Published in short for the souls sake, that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty, lest any should believe lies, and so be given up to delusion, and bee damned, by a lover of truth, called, James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N269; Thomason E885_5; ESTC R202981 17,493 32

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when it was not seared Is it like that we should be owned by you in making conscience of every word or can you do any otherwise but abhor it who have thus made shipwrack in your selves and this is the fruits you have brought forth since you have set your selves against the Light of the Spirit which led into tenderness and have set up the Letter for the Light and so being become heart-blinde are you grown past feeling into open lying and wickedness as at this day it is seen and lamented And now do not say this is railing accusation and hard terms which is truth but let the light of Christ which you thus hate search your hearts and pass judgement upon you and own it before the Lord and all the world and give praise to the Son from whom the Light comes for you have nothing else will let you see your hearts and the desperate wickedness that lodgeth therein it 's the light that must search it out and reveal it to you and not the Letter you may read in the Letter what deceit was in other mens hearts but it must be within you that lets you see your own the eye of God it is must let you see and search the dark corners thereof which is desperate wicked and you know it not but by the light of the world which lets all the world see their deceits who doth but minde it which light is that the God of this world hates and above all would blind that eye for which end all his instruments are now at work as is manifest to make shipwrack of Faith that is held in a pure conscience and you in the head thereof of which you must repent and returne to you first tenderness wherein you was once growing out of the elements and rudiments of the world to be led by the spirit of the Lamb where ever he goes and not by shadows which are left desolate because of the wickedness of such as have lived therein and look upon circumcision for the continuance whereof the Jewes had more from the Letter then you have for your way of carnal water for it was said it should be a sign for ever but so was it not said of Water-baptism but the contrary and minde what a generation was left in circumcision when Christ led out by his Spirit from that Ordinance a company of envious murtherers lyars and false accusers who set themselves against the way and light of Christ to devour all that followed his light against whom they pretended the Letter and thought they did right and so do to this day and were you not wholly blinde you might read your selves herein and what hath befallen you since you set your selves to this work every day hardness and more blindeness till you be much more mad in mischief then they was and more blinde for they fought against the Light because it led out of their traditions which was after the letter but yon oppose the light when it leads to the sound words in the letter and calls it Pharisaical and self-righteousuess or any filthy Name to make it odious and abhors it if it be but done in following the Spirit so that to follow the spiritual Light of Christ is abhorred by the devil and his instruments though it be in that which they confess is proper and used in the letter which they say is their Word witness thy 57. and 58. pages And yet with all this wickedness and blindness and much more the like unchristian carriage in your fore-head would you binde all to fall down to your tradition you have set up and worship that or else no Christians nor salvation but all the filth of hell must be raked up and cast upon their godly conversation for no other thing but because we cannot cry up that for salvation which cannot save you witness how you are saved from these wickednesses who worship before it further then in your imaginations believing that obeying that Ordinance as you call it you must be saved from hell when you are dead but to be saved from these wicked wayes while you live you never believe nor doth your god teach any such faith so they that are blinde may deny the leading of Christ in Spirit and follow your shadow which can neither save you nor them But if you would have all to worship what you have set up your called ordinance let it appear to all men what is therein mighty to save Is there some betterness betwixt being a captive to the devil in sin under your water and being a captive to sin under the Parish-Teachers water being both out of the true way declared in Scripture only yours a little nearer in the letter but both one in Spirit Power led captive at his wil who rules in them you who are disobedient to the spiritual Light of Christ wil your water save you more then theirs when you both are unwashed from your sin and live in rebellion against God doth your Ordinance then save you But doth it not appear to all the children of light that you are in the state of the Jews who cryed the Temple the Temple when God was deparred then they that was left in it was become abominable to God that which was the house of God formerly was then become a den of thieves and murderers and liars yet was they as zealous for their Ordinances as you are for your water and had as plain Scripture yea and their Ordinances was in the right form and call whereas yours are not as any of the Saints did ever practice in Scripture declared so if you be not stark blinde read your selves and repent and think not to say The Ordinances the Ordinances when you are both out of form and power for if we must believe you for so saying why not the Priests also who cry the same with you both taken on without true form life or power this we may not do who have heard and learned of Christ But this I say to thee and the rest that are joined with thee herein If he be a God you would have us all to bow to let us see what a God he is whether it be the God of Righteousness or the God of this world and Deceit first let us see that by your Ordinances thou thy self be led to repentance and to confess all thy damnable heap of lies thou hast cast on us in thy book in envie against the light and that as openly as thou hast slandered also repent of thy false Doctrine I have proved which thou hast published and decline thy errors therein And all the rest of you deny your selves and the world and conform to Christ leave your filthy pride and covetousness and abominable conformity to men of corrupt mindes for advantage respecting mens persons and maintaining their abominable worships and worshippers therein And you that say you are Ministers prove your selves in all things as the Ministers of Christ in
watchings in fastings in wandrings hunger and nakedness having no certain dwelling place in tumults often in necessities in stripes in whipping mocking stoning and imprisonment c. Let us see if it be your manner to dispute in the Idols-Temple against their Idols-worship that deceives souls and preach in the streets and markets daily c. and all this freely without hire These are the Apostles wayes and this is the Apostles word let us see if you be converted according to it and that your God is the same theirs was and will carry you forth in the same way and work and that you dare trust him therein And as we see you in the Apostles works so we shall be engaged to believe that you are converted by their Word which was before the letter was and the light thereof in all consciences will confess to you and that this is the living God whose wayes is righteous that you preach for all to worship and then we shall own you and the Apostles words will own you and your practice but where you are now we cannot nor can we worship with you that for God that which cannot save you from that wicked lying spirit that acts you nor lead you into the same work that it hath done all his Ministers in all ages for we know that God whose Word is Righteousness and his wayes Truth and what Ordinances he sets up that will we worship in for those Ordinances are spiritual and have life in them wherein God dwells and in them by him we shall be kept And the clear water we know wherein our bodies are washed and the blood of cleansing and the bread of life which was broken for us and is given to us by which we live and own the Apostles practices to follow Christ in our measures for which we are counted the off-scouring of all things unto this day and till then think not that we shall worship your tradition which brings forth a lye that cannot save the Founder for that wherein God dwells not is but a likeness empty and so your practice proves your way whereof it is Surely in vain do you setup Idols the Lord is risen your carved Images are lighter then vanity All the idols of the heathen are void of Righteousness truth is wanting in their inward parts they have deckt them with colours they have covered them with words they cry Come bow and worship but doth not consider that a lye is in there right hand there is none that considereth once to say in himself What is this that I am doing What profit is there in that to which I fall down is this the living God for whom I am thus contending that is not able to plead for himself and defend himself with righteousness with judgement and equity to plead against his enemies in their own hearts that cannot strike thorow the loynes of his adversaries cover me with innocency and peace while he covers his Enemies with confusion Is this he whose Word endureth for ever from generation to generation who hath left me to seek counsel in the Letter and without his Spirit and to consult with men how to keep up his Ordinances and to go to carnal weapons to avenge him on them who cast down his Altars who cut down his Groves and declares against the way of his worships Oh foolish people is this he that pleads the cause of his people who cannot plead for himself in Judgement nor for you in Righteousness Let him put spiritual weapons into your hands let him fill your hearts with Righteousness and your wayes with equity let him cover you with innocencie and preserve you in patience till he have made your light to shine in darkness that therewith he may confound his Enemies let him cause truth to spring in the earth and faith to bud and blossom that righteousness may cover you from the storm and the effect thereof may be peace then shall all your Enemies be ashamed and confounded before you for his power shall pass before you to make the earth to tremble at his presence whom the carnal sees not let it be proclaimed before him The Lord our righteousness gracious and full of mercy whose eye goes thorow the world and who will by no means clear the guilty And if this be the Name of your God let it be written upon you let the Zeal thereof be as a mark in your fore-heads and his sighteousness upon you as a Brest-plate that all may say this is the Lord bow before him there is no other who maketh his people lights in whom he holds forth salvation and healing to the Nations Surely this is the Lord and this is work and to him shall the world bow and his Saints confess his Name for ever Verily in the Lord our God is salvation strength Righteousness is thy right Name Judgement goes before thy face to confound thine Enemies thy light is as a fire to consume the wicked and by the same is thy Word declared therewith thou sends the rich away empty but the poor thou satisfies with goodness everlasting thou hides thy way from the subtil that thou mayest set the Prisoner out of the Pit that he may possess the gates of his Enemies and go in and out and feed in safety thou makes him strong that was feeble but strikes through the loins of the wicked thou dries up the depths of the sea that thy ransomed ones may pass over Our enemies sees and are troubled rage hath seised upon them in travells they are with mischief they are pained to bring forth and their birth is a lye Their son cannot save them they have brought forth darkness and folly Counsel and peace is not in him therefore they stagger in Judgement but thou Lord God gives us light as in the beginning the ancient of dayes is our stability things of many generations hast thou set before us the foundation that is unmoveable is discovered therein thou hast set us as upon a Rock so that the Floods of the ungodly cannot move us thou hast lifted up an Ensigne and the Heathen are angry the pride of the Nations hath gathered against thee thou hast set up judgment against them in the streets of wickedness and hath sent out the Lamb amongst the Beast of the field upon his head thou hast placed a defence thou hast covered him with righteousness as with a garment thou hast covered thy Enemies with thick darkness and their Armies with a cloud they grope at noon-day thou hast smitten the horse with blindness and his rider with madness they have risen up against thee they are confounded they are driven back their arm hath failed and thou savest thy people with a mighty salvation the meek sees it and rejoice it glads the soul of the innocent to see thee Praise our God in the beauty of holiness all that are come to the peaceable habitation Sing unto the Lord a new Song you people of good understanding who knows the root of righteousness where it springs and are fed with the dew of heaven whose hearts the Lord hath opened for himself that he may fill you with goodness that you may bring forth as a watered garden that the Lord may take delight in his own and dwell in you for ever The End
DECEIT Brought to DAY-LIGHT IN AN ANSWER TO Thomas Collier VVhat he hath declared in a book called A Dialogue between a Minister and a Christian But by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither In which Answer his lies are returned for the Founder to prove his Errors laid open read and reproved and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words Published in short for the souls sake that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty lest any should believe lies and so be given up to delusion and bee damned By a Lover of Truth called James Naylor They have made lies their refuge and under falshood have they hid themselves but judgement is laid to the Line and righteousness to the Plummet and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies and the waters shall overflow the hiding place LONDON Printed by T. L. for Giles Calvert at the black-Spread-Eagle neer the West end of Pauls 1656. The EPISTLE to the READER AND TO THOMAS COLLIER Friends THis generation with speed fulfils its measure of wickedness against the seed of God till the seed of Esau become a desolation for ever and the Armies of Gog and Magog with their men of warr appears from all quarters in defiance of Israel til there be not a man left to handle the sword We are become a prey to the slanderous tongue and are made as a mark for the wicked against which they bend their bowe and shoots their arrowes even bitter words of lies and reproaches more then may bee numbred but the wickedness of the wicked shal slay him and his transgression shall fall upon his owne head for though they strive yet to no purpose for the Warrier loses his hand in the day of battel and his strength becomes weakness and his wisdom is turned into folly and even this man Thomas Collier hath helped up the measure of his generation and is no whit short but the rather exceeding some of his Brethren in lies and slanders and reproaches and his testimony hath he given against the Lord and his mite hath he cast in unto Babylon's confusion to make up the number of the Beast in the warre against the Lamb against which the whole body and train of darkness from the head to the tail is joyned in the agreement of hell and is now come forth in the power and authority of the Beast they are gathered against the Lord that they may be scattered by the whirlwind of his wrath and they are risen that they may be broken to pieces and they have spoken that they may be condemned out of their own mouths and this man with many of his brethren is justly fallen into the pit which he digged for another and the snare hath trapped his own foot and he is the man who is found and proved in a high degree guilty of that wickedness and transgression whereof he falsly accuses us and the reproach stands upon his owne head which he hath thought to lay upon the innocent VVhat art thou among the rest fled to lies for refuge as thy last defence Is this the end of thy profession and of thy high notions who was once mounted up into the air among the wandering stars carried for a time as a cloud with the tempest but now art thou fallen into the earth because there was no abiding place for thee and art turned again into the beggarly rudiments of the world where the chains of darkness compasses thee about till the Judgement of the great day for which thou art reserved and thy lies are numbred to go into the pit together In this present Answer unto thy foolish invented discourse he that hath understanding may read thy shame and confusion thou art not found onely upon secret search but manifestly thy impudence appears and much need not be said but onely thy lies are sent back to thee in a gross sum gathered up from thy mouth to seek a witness from thee of what thou hast asserted thou hast slandered but given no evidence and hast made thy self a transgressor of the law which would thee to do as thou would be done unto and till then we do wait or else for ever do let them rest upon thy own head as the founder of them and thereof shalt thou have shame and reproach in the sight of all just men in this present world vengeance in the sight of God in the world to come and in that day shalt thou confess unto thy condemnation to be just in the presence of the Lord God How easie a thing is it for thee to make a lye and then to disprove it But this is not the way to prove us deceivers for our doctrine and conversation shall bear witness for us in the sight of men and by the light in every mans conscience to bee witnessed and unto the living God we do appeal for judgment and leaves it unto his day and for this purpose hast thou appeared against us that thy folly might appear unto all men and thou in thy secret envy which hath lodged in thy heart might be known unto all who hath travelled to bring forth wickedness and thou shalt be filled with thy own wayes and must receive the just reward thereof London the 3 of the fifth moneth 1656. E. Burrough DECEIT Brought to DAY-LIGHT FRiend Though thou be late with this thy work yet one of Gog's Army thou must appear and having both Questions and Answers in thine own hand thou hast made up a heap of lies and confusion to cast in amongst the rest even such filthy things out of thy own unclean spirit hast thou cast upon the truth as honesty would have been ashamed to utter speaking evil of that which thou knowes nought of but by hearsay the life being that which thou art shut out of and all the image-makers in the Nations Thou sayest our principles are but the principles of the old Ranters which is as far from them both in principle and practice as light and darkness which clearly shewes thy ignorance of us and envy to us it 's true the Rantersprinciples thou hast known and their practice also and I should be glad to see thee as clear from them as thou would make people believe thou art but our principle thou knowes not that eye is blind with which thou shouldst see it or the life from which it arises and therefore the Lyar is up in thee foaming out thy own shame speaking things from the euill of thine own heart which thou canst not prove nor make appear things utterly false and untrue which we can say before the Lord never entred into us to believe or declare which thou layes downe as our principles and that spirit would say as much by our practice but that thou would not be seen openly to be a lyar And left thou should say I wrong thee I shall gather out some of thy lyes thou hast falsly slandered us