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A20393	A dialogue. VVherein is plainly laide open, the tyrannicall dealing of l. bishopps against Gods children vvith certaine points of doctrine, vvherein they approue themselues (according to D. Bridges his judgement) to be truely the bishops of the Diuell.	Throckmorton, Job, 1545-1601, attributed name.; Penry, John, 1559-1593, attributed name.; Marprelate, Martin, pseud, attributed name.	1589 (1589)	STC 6805; ESTC S109672	18,572	34

the commandement of the Bishop of Canterbury It is not yet prooued so that there is some Iar betweene themselues although these two are most conuersant together and joine in one to persecute sinceere and faithfull preachers of the word and others of the Lords children Jacke I had thought they woulde not haue dissented one from a nother of them Puritane Why sir in the 49. page of the same book the Bishop of winchester saith the Bishop of Canterbury is a giddy head and to be brideled because he authorised Doctor Whitaker his readinges against Bellarmina wherein the Apocripha is defaced And M. Doctor Some one of their affinite no we and a noureresident he calls the Archbishop of Canterbury An absurde Heretike because he holds baptisme administred by weomen to be the seale of Gods couenante page 3. of his booke against Master Penri many like things I could cite to you of their diffenting on from another Jacke Howe like you of these things Master Vicker be not these good fathers of the Church thinke you Minist I like neuer a whit the worse of them for your words for I knowe they are but slaunders Puritane Master Vicker you I knowe like well of them although the proofes that their aduersaries doe bring be neuer so manifest and plaine aganst them because you are in the same state or worse and may be in that you doe vnlawfully vsurpe your place and hauing noe fit gifts to discharge your dutie in any measure Remember what th'Apostle saith 1. Corinth 6.19 Woe is to me if J preach not the Gospel this is rightly pronounced vpon you all such Idoles as you are Minist If I reade sermons and homiles is it not as much as if I preached for Master Doctor Bridges saith that reading is preaching Puritane The Lord hath promised noe such blessing vnto reading as preaching for the word preached is the onely ordinary meanes to saluation But I pray you for your comfort heare what the prophet Ieremy saith to you in the 48. Chap. Cursed be that man that doth the worke of the Lord negligently Mallac 2.7 saith the priests lips shoulde preserue knowledge they shoulde seeke the lawe at his mouth but howe can you shunne this curse Master Vicker I pray God humble your hart that you may acknowledge your sinne and craue pardon at his hands and leaue the ministery lest the Lord with a strong hand throwe you out to your everlasting woe Jacke Master Vicker he giues you good counsell it were good for you to followe it if you doe not it wil be the worse for you Minist Wel Sir it is noe matter there be as wise as he wil giue me other councell Jacke Why I see Master Vicker is obstinate hee will not be perswaded by you Puritane Even as he will I speake my conscience to him he may chuse if he wil followe it or noe Jack I maruel what good hospitallitie the Bishop of London keepes I haue heard that he is very couetous Minist Indeed he doth keepe a good house Jacke What doth not the doggs run away out of his house with whole shoulders I thinke a man may as soone breake his neck as break his fast at his house Puritane Surely I can say thus much by reporte of one that was his Chaplaine whose name is Haiwarde Vicker of Saint Martins by Charing crosse that often times when he hath dined at his Pallace in London he hath made his seruantes to take the fragments carry them to Fulham but if there be any dainty morcel left he wil wrap it vp in his handkerchefe and cary it in his bosome for feare lest his men should begile him Jacke O Master Vicker you haue a most bountifull Lorde he is so liberall that he will not suffer the scraps to be bestowed vppon the poore but to be kept for his seruants supper Minist It is faulse for I haue often seene almes giuen at his gates when he hath lien at London Puritane I le tell you what I haue hearde him say at Pauls crosse my selfe vppon a time following his text very wel you must thinke he burst me out with a greate exclamation of him selfe in that he was poor and had noe money protesting what charges he had bin at and that Paules Churche can beare me witnesse saith he that I haue noe money And shortely after some of his owne seruants being there present and heard him belike thought to make their good Lord a liar very shortly after robd him of certain hundred of pounds for which offence he was so good vnto his men as to hange them vp three or foure in number although he had the most parte of his money again and some of the parties executed protested to their knoweledge he had much more mony at vsury and that his seruants liued only vpon bribes Jacke A Bishop a lyar and a vserer nay surely M. Vicker if your Lord haue those two faults it cannot be but he hath more so that for mine owne parte I thinke him verely to be the Bishop of the Diuell Puritane Nay Sir I can giue you proofe for the same more that he is surely the Bishop of the Diuel for Martin Marprelate hath set downe a pretty thing in his Epistle to the terrible priests that the Bishope of London when he throwes his bowle as he vseth it commonly vppon the sabboth day he runnes after it and if it be toe harde he cries rub rub rub and saith the Diuel goe with thee when he goeth himselfe with it So that by those words he nameth him selfe the Bishop of the Diuell but by his practise of tiranicall dealing against the Lords faithful ministers not only calleth but prooueth himselfe to be the Bishoppe of the Diuell Jacke Ha ha Master Vicker you see your Lorde Bishop is a Diuel by his owne confession so indeede you are not the Lords Minister but the Minister of the Diuel as your Lorde Bishop is the Bishop of the Diuell Minister You vse your speeches at pleasure of my Lord it may be you wil not so easily answere them when you are called therevnto Jacke Yes Master Vicker I warraant you Send a pursiuant when you will for vs and we wil answere it if wee can not make our parts good enough we will send the weomen of Hampsteed to him Minist What meane you by that Jacke If you will needs haue me I will tell you you shall vnderstand Master Vicker that your good Lorde at his first comming to be the Diuels Lorde at London began to play Rexe as he hath lately done at Fulham in cutting downe the trees there to the greate impouerishing of the towne to cut downe the woods at Hampsteed and needs he woulde doe it and began pretily well with it the townes men became suters to him that he woulde not they coulde not perswade him for he was Lord of it he saide Wel seeing the men coulde doe noe good with him the women tooke the matter

A DIALOGVE VVHERIN IS PLAINLY LAIDE OPEN the tyrannicall dealing of L. Bishopps against Gods children vvith certaine points of doctrine vvherein they approoue themselues according to D. Bridges his judgement to be truely the Bishops of the Diuell MA●●CH 2.7 8 9. The Priests lippes shoulde preserue knowledge and they should seeke the law at his mouth for he is the messenger of the Lorde of hostes But ye are gone out of the way ye haue caused many to fall by the lawe ye haue broken the couenaunt of Leui. Therefore haue I also made you to be despised and vile before all the people because ye keepe not my wayes but haue bene partiall in the lawe A Dialogue vvherein is plainely laid open the tyrannicall dealing of Lord Bb. against Gods children The speakers are these Puritane Papist Jacke of both sides Idoll minister Puritane YOu are well ouertaken sir doe you trauell far this way I pray you Jacke Towards London sir Puritane I shall willingly beare you companie if it please you Jacke With all my hearr I shall be very glad of yours Puritane From whence came you this way Jacke I come out of France Puritane Out of what part of France came you I pray you I came from Rochell my selfe which is a part of France Jacke It is so but I came not neere that place Puritan Out of what parte of Fraunce came you then Jacke I came from Orleans Puritan I pray you what newes from thence is there any likelyhoode of peace there Jacke Yes surely there is some hope of peace for where the Kings powers come they doe commonly yeelde presently Puritan It is a good hearing Jacke What is he that comes after vs so fast Puritan He seemes to be some preacher or dumb minister it may be he goes our way if he doe I hope we shall haue his company whereby wee may passe away way the time in some good conference also heare what newes there is at home here in England Jacke I am content Sir for I shal be glad to heare some good newes me thinks I haue bin very long absent from hence Puritan Very wel we will goe the softlier that he may overtake vs but by the way I pray you if you came from Orleans there they haue the masse for they are of the league then I suppose you haue bin partaker of their Idolatrie Jacke Noe I assure you I detest al Idolatrie euen from my hart Puritan If you doe so I am very glad of it but I pray you let me heare if you can giue me some profe out of the word of God for the confirmation of this your protestation against Idolatrie Jacke I am wel content to giue you a taste thereof whereby it shal appeare that I am far from it For so deerly as I render the saluation of mine own soule so careful am I to shun and fly from all Idolatrie For it is written Deut. 6.13 Thou shalt worship the Lorde thy God and him onely shalt thou serue And the Apostle Paule to the Corinth 1. Epist cap. 10. verse 14. commaundeth vs to Flye from Idolatrie for Idolatrie is sinne and the wages of sinne is death c. Puritan It is wel applied somwhat to the purpose I am very glad if it be done in singlenesse of hart For me thinks you could not possibly be in that place but you must be forced to be present at their Idolatrous Masse Jacke I was neuer present at it in my life I thanke God but the Papists sticke not to say that our service booke in english is a greate parte of it but a meere translation out of the masse booke Puritan Indeede it is true that some parte of our booke of common prayer as they say is a meere translation out of the masse booke but yet there is no such blasphemie and Idolatrie tollerated in it as is dyalie in the masse although it greatly derogate from the worde and is full of greate and greuous corruptions But I pray you howe long were you in Orleans Sir Jacke I was there about a fortnight Puritan Noe longer Jacke Noe Sir Puritane Here comes the minister nowe wee will heare what newes he can tel vs he semes to be but an Idole shepheard we shal haue some good conference with him I hope to passe away the time Minist You are well overraken gentlemen which way trauel you I pray you Puritane Towards London and if it please God Minist I shall be gladd of your company and if it please you Puritan We also shall be glad of yours Sir Jacke I pray you M. Vicker or parson for so you seeme to be what good newes is there here at home in England for we haue bin both of vs in Fraunce we would gladly here some good newes Minist Indede I am a poore Vicker truly we haue no greate good newes here Sir for our Church is so sore pestered with sects scismes that the reuerende fathers and especially my Lords grace of Cant. are so sore troubled with them that they haue no leasure to recreate them selues for those fellowes they are so bolde and mallepert that they preferre petitions to her maiestie the Lords of the counsell yea in print to the high court of parliament Puritane Why sir what be they that do this what doe you cal them are they papists Minist No they are worse then papists for they are fantasticall puritans and Brownists and I can not tel what Puritane What be the points they holde that are so scismatical and erronious Minist Forsooth they woulde haue no Lorde Bb. but every minister to be of equal authoritie one with an other and so make a confusion in the whole state for they haue set downe a newe platforme of Discipline sorsoth as they cal it they cannot tel what them selues Puritane I will tel you my opinion of Lord Bb. it is but an humaine constitution and not warrantable by the worde but vtterly forbidden Minist O I perceue you are one of these fantastical puritanes or Brownists I pray you out of what place of Fraunce cam you Puritane I came from Rochel Minist I thought from Rochel Geneua or Scotland you seeme to be a birde of one of those nests Puritane Sir whatsoeuer I am I doe not dout but to be able to prooue by the word what I haue saide namely the vnlawfulnesse of Lord Bb. Minist Sir that point hath bin handeled by your betters and manifestly confuted by my Lords grace in his writings against Cartwright Puritane In deed he that will be blinde cannot see it but he that looks in both their works with a single eie cannot but confesse M. Cartwright to haue confuted him by vnanswerable evidences or els why would he not haue answered M. Cartwrights workes nowe a dozen yeares extant and more Minist As you of the fantasticall crue thinke but he hath done it and that so sufficiently alreadie that there needs noe more answeres and againe his grace is

and also the verye murderers of so manye soules as perish in your charges knowing that the Lord will in that greate and terrible day require their bloode at your hands Jacke O Lorde my heart quaketh to heare of so greate and greeuous sinns as are in our Bishops and in the whole ministerie but our Bishops are the cause of all Puritane I will tel you Sir I am perswaded in my very conscience that the Lorde hath giuen many of our Bishops ouer into a reprobate sence for they doe wilfully oppose them selues against the Lord his knoen truth yea and persecute it and I suppose them to be in the state of the sinne against the holy Ghost for they haue manifested in their published writings yea pressed forth by authoritie suche horrible blasphemous hereticall yea damnable doctrines whiche my very heart trembleth to repeate in sorte as they haue set them down which if those whome they falsly call puritanes shoulde set downe or holde the like errors and dangerous points I warrant you the should soone be cut of from the face of the earth and right well they were worthy Jacke Nowe Sir I pray you let me heare some of the pointes they holde and that are so dangerous as you say that I may be able to justifie it to our dumbe doggs teeth at Austins gate in London when I come home Puritane First you shal vnderstand the Bishop of London hath published in print that in an Epistle or preface before Barnardeus de loques booke of the Church published in english that the puritanes may as well deny the sonne of God to be consubstantiall with God the father as they may deny the superioritie of Archbishops and Lord Bishops flat contrary to the saying of our Sauiour Christ Luke 22. Iacke O monstrous and blasphemous wretch that to maintaine his fleshly pleasure will make such an odious comparison Puritane Nay what say you to a Bishop that hath two wiues and both nowe liuing Doe you not thinke it is a thing tollerable in a christian common wealth where the Gospel is professed Jacke No indeed doe I not I hope our magistrats wil not suffer such a Bishop to liue it were monstrous among common Infidels much more intollerable that a Bishop in such a land as ours is where the Gospell is truely taught But I pray you is there any such now liuing Puritane Yes in deed is there and the Bishop of Saint Dauids in Wales is the man he is nowe liuing and both his wiues and yet stil remaines a Bishop Jacke Is it possible that a Bishop shoulde commit such an horrible act as this howe far are our Bishopps from obeing the commaundement of th'Apostle Peter who saith Feede the flocke and be ensamples to the flocke what ensample is this And doeth not the same God which saith Thon shalt doe noe murther which is death by our lawes doth he not also say Thou shalte not commit adulterie And yet a Bishop to haue twoe wiues at once liue in a Church professing the sinceritie of the Gospell What say you to this Master Vicker is not our Church wel gouerned thinke you Minist If it be true it is I must needs confesse a horrible thing and worthy of death but I do not beleeue it Puritane It is very true for the cause was brought before the high commissioners at Lambehith and howe it is smothered vp among the Bishops and the rest of the commissioners I know not yet but I could tel you the whole couclusion if I were at London but halfe an houre Jacke Why the suffering of this other like villanies to be committed in our nation are causes to stir vp the Lord to wrath against the whole land wherby he may spedily bring his judgments vpon vs yea euen to our vtter destruction Minist It is so if it be true but I wil not beleeue it Puritane Wel for the truth of the matter I referre you to the high commissioners where it is recorded with his wiues names vz. Elizabeth Gigge and Ales Prime Minist Indeede I haue heard of the like before that you puritans haue put forth a booke in print vnder the name of Martine Marprelate wherein many such things are mencioned Puritan There is nothing set downe in it but there is good proofe of the same the Bishop of Winchester who took vpon him to confute it hath confirmed it for the most part that he denies is most true Jacke What did he vndertake to confute it Alas he is altogether vnlearned for I haue heard of him in Oxford and the papists say they can make him beleeue the moone is made of greene cheese marry to get him a name forsooth being a correcter with a Printer in fleetstreete in London who printed a Dictionarie called Sir Thomas Eliotts dictionarye Cooper translated a peece of Robert Stephanus his Thesaurus and joined it to the same with a fewe phrases and so bereaued the famous Knight of his labor and calls it by the name of Coopers Dictionary howe say you Master Vicker was not this a knauish tricke tel me Minist I say you deale very vnreuerently with my Lord for I cann say nothing to the matter else for I knowe it not to be true Puritane What say you to this then master Vicker did you neuer heare of your Lord Bishop of London whoe made the Dyars in Thames street whoe were robbed by theeues that stoale their cloothe and brought it within his liberties which when the poore diars hearing where their clooth was and comming to the Bishop to demaunde their own goods he said if they woulde hang the theeues he woulde then tell them more which the dyars did and at their deathes confessed that to be the dyars cloth which the Bishop had but the pore men were neuer the neere for their cloth nor cannot get it or any parte of it to this day and this is confessed to be true by the bishop of Winchester in his answere to Martine Marprelate published in print by authoritie wherein he saith it is the Bishop of Londons own by the lawes of the land because it was taken within his liberties mary he speaks nothing of the lawe of God according to conscience in keping of thiefe stollen goods from their right owners for conscience is fled from them it seemes so soone as they are gotten to be Lord Bishops once Minist Yes Sir I knowe there is such a booke named Martin Marprelate a most vile and ssaunderous libel but I doe not thinke my Lorde of Winchester doth approoue any thing that is set do wne there in any of those books for they haue put forth three or foure books vnder that title Iacke Why Master Vicker howe doe they to get their books printed Minist Tush they doe wel enough for that there is a sedstious fellowe one Walde-graue who comonly prints all such bookes I knowe him wel enough hee did keepe a shoppe at the signe of the Crane in