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A85408 Philadelphia: or, XL. queries peaceably and inoffensively propounded for the discovery of truth in this question, or case of conscience; whether persons baptized (as themselves call baptism) after a profession of faith, may, or may not, lawfully, and with good conscience, hold communion with such churches, who judg themselves truly baptized, though in infancy, and before such a profession? Together with some few brief touches about infant, and after-baptism. By J.G. a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1653 (1653) Wing G1189; Thomason E702_7; ESTC R207109 25,228 32

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the Scriptures of the will and mind of God for the Baptizing of Infants do readily embrace and entertain many other notions and opinions upon far weaker and less lightsom grounds of conviction as viz. the common Doctrines or Tenents concerning Original Sin admission of women to the Lords Table the observation of the Sabbath on the first day of the week yea some of them on the last day the reception of the Soul into Heaven and happiness immediately upon death with many other things which we shall not now mention not that I mention these with dislike of the common opinion about them all but only to shew that as the generality of the Jews rejected the true Messiah notwithstanding all the true and real Miracles which he wrought amongst them and yet entertained false Messiahs one after another with their counterfeit and lying miracles so do the generality of Anti-Paedobaptists reject Infant-Baptism notwithstanding the many real and substantial proofs by which it is commended and confirmed unto them in the mean time bowing down their Judgments and Consciences to such Doctrines which have little but hay and stubble to support them 5. And lastly That God doth expect that men should dig for the treasure of Truth and of his Counsel even where it lies much deeper under-ground then Infant-Baptism doth in several of those Texts of Scripture which have been argued by learned men of that Judgment in proof thereof yea and hath reproved men for their unmanlike oscitancy and neglect in this behalf Peruse and consider diligently these Texts and Passages at your leasure because it would be too long to argue them Mat. 12 3 4 5 7. Mat. 23. 16 17 18 19 c. Mat. 22. 29 31 32 c. Luk 24. 25 26. Acts 7. 25 26. to omit others XXV Whether is the practise of demanding or submitting unto a Baptismal dipping after a solemn dedication unto the service of Jesus Christ by a baptismal sprinkling or ablution anywhere countenanced in the Scriptures or enjoyned either by particularity or expressness of precept or example If not is not the practise of it traditional and the product of humane discourse as well and as much as the Baptizing of Infants And do not they who practise it presume every whit as much or rather far more upon their own judgments and understandings in making Infant-Baptism to be a meer nullity or nothing the Scripture no where giving any such sentence nor any syllable letter or tittle of any such sentence against it as they who make it an Ordinance of God or rather to speak more properly a meet and necessary administration of an Ordinance of God considering 1. That Baptism it self i. e. the external act of Baptism rightly so called whether it be dipping washing or sprinkling is not material to the case now in hand Infants being alike capable of them all is by expressness of Scripture an Ordinance or appointment of God And 2. That Infants at least of Beleevers not onely are no where excluded by God from part and fellowship in the Administration but are in several places and passages more then overtured as the most proper and meet Subjects of it XXVI Whether was not a dying the death of the uncircumcised c under the Law and so a being punished with the uncircumcised d matter of threatning and an intimation of anger and displeasure in God importing that the lives of uncircumcised persons in the world were nothing so precious in his sighte nor so tenderly watched over nor so carefully protected and preserved by him as the lives of those who were circumcised yea did not the threatning of the uncircumcised man-child that his soul should be cut off from his people because he had broken Gods Covenant Gen. 17. 4. plainly signifie that children uncircumcised were much more obnoxious unto the stroke of death from the hand of God then they would have been or need to have been if circumcised If then it be supposed that Baptism is altogether as necessary or of as high esteem with God under the Gospel as Circumcision was under the Law can it reasonably be judged or thought that he is as tender and providentially watchful over the lives of children or others unbaptized as he is over the lives of those who are baptized And if so do not they who neglect or refuse the baptizing of their children reject the counsel of God against their lives and preservations depriving them of that Interest in the speciall Providence of God for their peace and safety which they might and ought to intitle them unto by Baptizing them And when children unbaptized are taken away by any sudden or strange hand of death have not the Parents just cause to question whether they were not accessary to their death by leaving them amongst the unbaptized ones of the world XXVII Whether were not the children of Israel notwithstanding the express and strict Institution and command of God for the circumcising of the Males amongst them on the eight day blameless under their non-Circumcision for forty yeers together upon the account of that bodily inconvenience and danger whereunto Circumcision during their journying and travel through the wilderness would in the eye of Reason have exposed them Or had they not sinned by tempting the Providence of God if under a pretence or plea of the commandment of God for their circumciseing they had caused either themselves or their children to be circumcised during such their travel how long soever it had continued If so do not they sin by tempting the Providence of God who are Authors either to themselves or others of being dipped over head and eares in water where and when and whilst such dipping cannot both according to the principles of Reason the natural course and operation of second causes yea and frequent experience it self but endanger either their healths or lives or both yea though this be upon a pretext or plea that such dipping is the Institution or command of God XXVIII Whether doth the requiring of Faith or a profession of Faith to be made by men and women in order to their being Baptized by any better consequence prove that Infants without such Faith or Profession of Faith ought not to be baptized then Pauls injunction which he commended to the Thessalonians viz. That if any would not work neither should he eat a proveth that neither ought children to eat unless they work too as well as men or women who are healthfull and strong and so capable of working Or then this prohibition of God of old concerning the eating of the Paschal Lamb No uncircumcised person shall eat thereof b proveth that his intent was that no person of woman kind whether yong or old though daughters of Abraham and otherwise sanctified should eat thereof XXIX Whether if dipping or a disposing or conveying of the whole body under water be of the essence and necessity of Baptism are not they rather Se-Baptists or Self-Baptisers then Baptised