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A87881 The observator observed, or, Animadversions upon observations on the history of King Charles wherein that history is vindicated, partly illustrated, and severall other things tending to the rectification of some publique mistakes, are inserted : to which is added, at the latter end, the observators rejoinder. L'Estrange, Hamon, 1605-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing L1188A; ESTC R179464 41,478 51

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calling of it in Page 114. Fol. 129. The Divinity of the Lords day being new Divinity at Court Observator And so it was by its favour in the Countrey too not known in England till the year 1595. So new it is that it cannot prescribe to 60 years for if it could we should have found some mention of it in our Articles or Our Book of Homilies in which we find nothing at all touching the keeping of that day Answer By this and some other passages in the Observator we may suspect the man to be Petrifi'd there 's an hard word as hard as a stone and very conversant with Peter Hielen a Dr. of Cosmography a work very proper for him for none fitter to describe the world then he who all his life hath loved the world none like him but of that Dr. more anon Next to the Observator if that Dr. and he be two First he saith that the Divinity of the Lords day was not known in England till the year 1595. If so I demand of the Observator what did Archbishop Whitgift mean in his defence of the Answer to the Admonition p. 553. where speaking in the present tense he saith the Sabbath is superstitiously used by some did he mean the Jewish Sabbath that cannot be for he subjoynes so is the Church the Creed the Lords Prayer importing it to be a lawful thing abused by superstitious people and soon after he speaks of a Sabbath then commanded by the 4th Precept which could not be the Jewish and if not that must of necessity be the Lords day Now this Archbishop published his Defence Anno. 1574. Next for the book of Homiles surely he spake much without book for certainly there was not any thing more especially taught in those Homiles then the divinity of the Lords day they saying God in that Precept speaking of the fourth commandeth the observation of the Sabbath which is our Sunday What can positively be rendred clearer Here 's the Sabbath interpreted by the Lords day and that commandeth to be observed in the 4th Precept by God himself So that by the Observators leave the Divinity of the Lords day may be found in our book of Homilies Page 115. Fol. Ibid. Which seemed the greater prodigy that men who so eagerly cryed up their own Order and Revenues for Divine should so much deny the Lords day from being such when they had no other Existence then in Relation to this Observator Here 's a Prodigy indeed and a Paradox too that neither the Order nor Revenues of the Evangelical Priesthood have any existence but in Relation to the Divinity of the Lords day If our Author be not out in this I am much mistaken Answer Where hath this Observator been brought up that this Tenet of mine of mine said I yea of all learned men should be so wondred at to be called a Prodigy Good Reader when thou seest him next tell him from me there is scarce a man of note who treateth of the fourth Commandment that owneth not this Prodigious opinion I shall content my self with only one at present but one who I hope will be instar omnium with the Observator as being free from Puritanism The learned Bishop of Winchester who expounding the fourth Commandment saith first because men should not be left at liberty when to perform Religious duties God hath appointed a Day whereon to do them and that more solemnly in a publique meeting or assembly this Day he calleth the Lords Day Secondly Now whereas the solemn duties of this Day cannot be performed in a publique manner without a Place set a part and Persons enabled to perform such sacred actions Therefore both Places Persons sanctify'd to those purposes Maintenance also for those Persons are included in this Precept so here are both the sacred Orders and Revenues constituted in relation to the Lords Day and the duties thereof and emergent both from the fourth Commandment and so I hope the Prodigy is at an end Page 116. Fol. Ibid. But of this elsewhere Observator And indeed of this there hath enough been said elsewhere to satisfie all learned and ingenuous men both in the meaning of the law and in point of practice Answer Never any thing more truly spoken And all I shall superadde is this that whereas I said But of this elsewhere my meaning was that of the Doctrine of the Sabbath or Divinity of the Lords day I had treated elsewhere in a book extant of that Argument Anno. 1640. never as yet answered by any To that Treatise I refer all men who shall desire my Judgment in that Subject Only from thence I shall having so fit an opportunity be bold to re-mind Doctor Heilen of an od mistake to say no worse committed by him in vindication whereof he never attempted any thing as yet The mistake this The main question concerning that Day was and I am sorry to find it is whither or not it be of Divine institution That Doctor with his leaders and followers said nay and because it would signifie the same thing should it be evinced to be Apostolical the man sweats toyles and somewhat worse to evade it For Part 2. c. 6. S. 7. of his History of the Sabbath he citeth out of Pareus his Com. in Gen. 2. treating of the change of the Sabbath into the Lords Day these words Quomodo autem facta sit haec mutatio in sacris literis non apparet And to make it apparent he was industrious in it because Quomodo alone he thought non vult fac would not do the deed without his Paraphrase he descants on it thus How that is by what Authority this change was made appeareth not in sacred Scripture whereas in very truth Pareus his word in two several Editions one 4o the other folio is Quando not Quomodo for the Authority he in that very place ascribes it Apostolicae Ecclesiae to the Apostolique Church and in Comment upon 1 Cor. 16. v. 2. and upon the Revelation fixeth it positively upon Apostolical Authority Now what it is for a Doctor of Divinity for so great a champion of Antiquity against Novelty not in an idle circumstance but in the grand concernment of a controversie to forge and falsifye a Record so boldly I dare not say so impudently I submit to the judgment of all the world This I write partly to provoke an answer from that Doctor and partly to vindicate him from the groundlesse supposition which renders him the Author of these Observations who as he hath professedly disavowed it so is it scarce credible that he of all men durst be so bold with me as this Observator is knowing how readily I might have returned Quis tulerit Gracchos Page 117. Fol. Ibid. And was after stiled Duke of York Observator Our Author here accomodates his stile to the present times when the weekly Pamphlets gave the Prince no other Title then the Titulary Duke of York It is true
of Commons could buy them thrice over there being not above 500 of the one and thrice one hundred and 18 that is to say three hundred and fifty of the other by which account every Gentleman must be able to buy his two Lords and an half one with another But why doth our Author leave out the Bishops c. It was ill done of him to exclude them and not well done of him that should have kept them in to exclude them afterward c. Answer All that I can make out of this account is that it will take two such Observators and an half to make up one good Arithmetician The Computation is not so over-difficult but any one of slender skill may sum up and proportion it The number of Peers being 118 allow to every Peer 3000 l. per annum the total is 354000 l. multiply this by 3 there ariseth 1062000 l. The Commoners the Observator grants to be five hundred allow to every Commoner 2124 l. per annum the product will be 1062000 l so then every Peer considered at 3000 l. and every Commoner at 2124 l. per annum no such stupendious businesse if it be withal taken for granted that for estates they were the gallantest assembly that ever those walls immured then I say the Commons were able to buy the house of Peers thrice over Now for omitting the Bishops I demand what were they members of the house of Peers or are they not if the first then these words are turn-key enough to let them in if the Observator say not their exclusion is his own manufacture Next to come to the man who did so ill when he should have kept them in to exclude them This man is King Charles the very same I assure you sed dicere mussat would he speak out and exclude them true it is he did out of a firm perswasion of their contentednesse to suffer a present diminution in their Rights and Honour for his sake so are his very words And I dare answer for almost all for all I dare not non omnes Episcopi Episcopi sunt they were for his sake well contented and if so the greater indignity it is for this Canis Palatinus this Court-curre a fellow so unconcerned therein now his Royal back is turned to be snarling at his heels for it But of such men this Nation hath enow and to spare I well remember being once at Table our number being about a dozen at that time when somebody was in a flourishing condition in Scotland several discourses passing in reference to his affairs amongst other things a report was mentioned that in order to his establishment he promised the Covenanters a settlement of the Presbyerian government whereto one Reply'd If he complie with the Presbyterians it is not this bit of bread to me whither he sinke or swim so strong an influence had Episcopacy upon his Spirit and possibly not Episcopacy neither for it is shrewdly to be suspected that some stand not so much upon that Hierarchy in reference to the Churches splendor as to their private Ambition Fac me Episcopum Romae ero protenus Christianus Make me Bishop of Rome then I will turn Christian said a flouting Pagan to Damasus And if Fac me Episcopum make me a Bishop be not the terminus ad quem the main scope of some Prelatical Regalists they are honester men then I take them to be Page 64. Fol. 90. He stitched a paper in the lining of his hat wherein he declared c. Observator I think he is somewhat out in short there being nothing found in his hat or elsewhere about him a few loose papers such as might become those men who make God the Author of sin Answer My informer is Captain Harvey one of those to whose custody by order of the Lord Carlton Felton was first committed who in a letter that very 23 of August wherein beside other things formerly observed he hath also this passage that Pelton told him he was to be prai'd for the next day being Sunday at London in a Church meaning St. Brides at Fleetstreet Conduit and in the end concludes his letter having formerly related his Motive to the fact was the Remonstrance of the House of Parliament thus He sewed a writing into his hat within the lining to shew the cause why he put this cruel act in execution The writing was thus even for a syllable I would have no man commend me for doing it but rather discommend themselves for if God had not taken away their hearts for their sins he had not gone so long unpunished John Felton The man is cowardly base in mine opinion and deserves neither the name of a Gentleman or Souldier that is unwilling to sacrifice his life for the honour of God his King and Country John Felton Page 68. Fol. 94. The body was from thence convey'd to Portsmouth there hung in chains but by some stole and convey'd away Gibbet and all Observator Our Author is deceived in this for I both saw the Gibbet standing and some part of the body hanging on it about three years after Answer That it was confidently so reported though erroneously as I am since informed by the Observators betters I have good Authority to prove and that will be sufficient for me nor is it any great wonder when we consider how ready and disposed Fame is to unwarantable superfaetation Page 70. Observator The calling in of Mr. Mountagues book and the advancing of Dr. Barnaby Potter a through-paced Calvinian unto the Bishoprick of Carlile could not get him any love in the hearts of his People Answer This must necessarily signifie something of abominable quality in either the Person or Doctrine of Dr. Potter or both to be so efficacious to obstruct and impede the affection of his people As for the man know it is his eminent Relation to his Majesty might rather create a wonder why he was advanced so late then why so soon and to imagine any thing tending to scandal in his life considering his place of so neer admission to the King person will at the first sight look so like a Calumny as deserves no answer So then the horrid thing in him is and must be his Opinion and being a through-paced Calvinian and that indeed is blemish enough now a daies he that is so be he the greatest Scholler in the Land he doteth Be he the most pious he is an hypocrite be he the most consciencious in all his Actions a very knave with all these titles of honour I have known the gallantest men in this Nation dubb'd and what is this but to make a faction of an opinion and to contend for victory with the losse of charity The institution of Cyrus makes {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} speaking truth one of the three accomplishments of a compleat man Christiany goes further and therefore the Apostles rule is we must search for truth and speak it