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A40442 A full enquiry into the power of faith, the nature of prophecy, the translation of Enoch and Elias, and the resurrection of Christ Freke, William, 1662-1744. 1693 (1693) Wing F2164; ESTC R100 66,199 82

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without 7. But you would have Presbyters instead of Bishops you say Bless me that Men should quarrel about words so 't is plain the Presbyters would be as great as the Bishops if they could and both alike are Scripture Names of Offices and which many Judicious Men have thought to signifie the same thing The case then is we can never agree to what the Scripture-Order of Government is nor will we consent that the State should modestly decide the Doubt between us Lastly but your Offences are not regarded and therefore too you are further offended Bless me that Men can Argue thus What we have a Controversie about Bishops and the Majority it seems are for them and pray what must the State in this case do have no Discipline for fear of offending your two Scruples or let the Offence fall on the least in Number I say to this Dilemma No Discipline and no Church and therefore 't is but as of Necessity that things should be as they are Our Natural Conclusions of Accommodation are 1. That though all these pretences are groundless of a rightful Separation from the State-Religion yet that the State notwithstanding upon it is but just in removing those things that are ill among them as well as the others are unjust to them in their needless Schism for trifles 2. That accordingly our Pageantly Churches too big to be heard in our Cross in Baptism our Orthodoxy in Ceremonies only may be very well laid aside for though when Men are offended at us for good we need not mind it but rather in pity with Christ say Blessed is he that is not offended in me Yet when Men are offended at Indifferencies and as the Apostle instances in Meats offered to Idols then by no means may we Lawfully continue to keep up their Offence Nay 3. That as we see by the Shew Bread that was eaten by David and his Men and Christ's License to help out our Ox on the Sabbath day that the more formal parts even of Piety it self are to give place where the more Essential or Necessary require so sometimes even more than indifferent may be yielded rather than come to Blood or Divisions And thus you Baptize your Infant or you eat the Lord's Body but cannot you let another forbear therefore as the Learned Dr. Taylor has it in his Liberty of Prophecy rather than make him defile his Conscience 4. So Eusebius Lib. 6. Cap. 19. tells us that in his time it was held that Lay-men might speak in Churches and that though even before Bishops pursuant to Nehem. 8.4 c. 1 Cor. 8.14 Luke 2.46 4.15 Acts 13.14 17.22 and other Texts shewing how that in that the Christians pursued the Jewish Discipline and why not to be allowed now too as well if a Congregation generally consent 5. So some are for Praying standing you say and why not since the Jews did but the same before 'T were decent indeed to have all kneel but is not Unity more than Ceremony So some are ignorant you say and what then Did not the Apostles own some for Disciples though they never heard even of the Holy Ghost 6. That accordingly herein Ministers and Congregations of all sorts be left to their discretions nay and further that in and about the City of London and elsewhere where the paucity of Churches may be of further Offence that there be full Liberty given for the further Building of Churches to be erected and ruled as Congregations and Pastors shall by mutual consent agree 7. And that farther as well in such as all other Congregations to avoid all manner of Offence the Minister with the consent of his Congregation be allowed to Pray either by Form or Extempore as shall be seen most convenient or to use Ceremonies or not as they shall agree to let them alone To be short a Comprehension in a Church like this must not only needs cut off all grounds of Heresie in becoming so simply Apostolick but withal force all Foreign Churches to joyn with her and cut off all manner of colour and Foundation for Schisms and Divisions I may say all the mischiefs of a Factioning Toleration will be lost in this And as the considerablest Heads of all Sects cannot but be contented with so innocent a State so I doubt not but that all the little scrupulosity which has so long confounded our Reformation will in a very short time be swallowed up by it and as by Natural consequence a real Schismatick and Heretick will become as odious to all by one consent as he was to the Apostles That which has bewildred Men here has been 1. That Men should be so heedless in their Divisions as they are to break Communion for every Trifle as they have done but as to that I can only say when Men had once trespassed the true Bounds of their Duty in the Publick Unity in Worship afterwards 't is no wonder to see a whole Sea and Deluge of Sects and Schisms break in upon them for how can they hold together that have not the least Principle of Unity left and that are linked with no other Chain than meer Faction and Party at best a few criterion Tenets 2. That the Grandeur of the Church will fall by it and why so wherein is its Grandeur but its Unity But if you call your External Ornaments of Churches and Service as in Cathedrals and Chappels your Grandeur why can you say it will be gone then more than now A poor Church has no Choristers no Lecturers no Organs no Altars nay and too often through a too hard impropriation no Service neither and why then should the want of a little of this Grandeur be so intolerable in the greatest Charity to weaker Brethren that a little necessity and our own corruption can so easily dispense with 3. That the allowance of such Practices will become a Reflection upon the State ay and a very good one too for none can think any ill on 't we shall be united and firm at home and our love and condescention praised abroad and surely that we bear with Tender Consciences on no other terms but the Ancient and Apostolick Liberty and Practice cannot have the colour of Scandal in it when by it we but aim to abolish that real Scandal that is caused by our present Schisms and Divisions amongst us 4. That 't is hard since the State is bound so far in Conscience to be obeyed by her Subjects about Religion that yet after all where even they are to blame she should stoop lower to them and truly if the State were not our Father as well as our Master I should say so too but a Father by his Office bears with his Children and has Patience with them and therefore no wonder if I say that since other measures have succeeded so ill it should become a State even to stoop a little lower also and to see if possible the utmost Lenity and Moderation can make them sick of