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A63079 A testimony for God's everlasting truth as it hath been learned of and in Jesus testifying against such as through unbelief have departed from, or been disobedient to the spirit that conuinces the world of sin : among whom R.C. hath appeared with his many things, to oppose and withstand the one thing, the spirit of life, that sets free from sin and death, which is the truth which the people call Quakers have and do testifie to and of / R.T. R. T. (Rebecca Travers), 1609-1688. 1669 (1669) Wing T2062; ESTC R31972 39,797 48

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such as have helped the mighty in force and falshood against the Lord who will bring to pass as he hath spoken Light and Salvation to the ends of the Earth and all that contend against it shall fall before it and thou as one strong to deceive and therefore wouldst colour thy work with that which testifies against thee Saying in thy title thou wilt attest according to Scripture and so beginst with a lye for thou detests both Scripture and the words of Christ therein for thou deniest his Doctrine and callest it a new opinion to preach the Light up for Christ though Christ saith I am the Light of the World how hath Satan deceived thee that thou shouldest think any should receive thy fallasies that callst the Doctrine which Christ the Apostles taught fallasies shalt thou or the Apostle John be believed he saith In the beginnining was the Word and the Word was God and by him ‖ But he in his Queries denies Christ to make all things so we marvel not that he should deny our Doctrine that denies Christ and his Apostles all things were made and in him was Life and the Life were the Light of men and this is the true Light that enlighteneth every man and thou lightly and slightly sayeth this of the first of John is their ground and so resists the Scripture and yet saith thou wilt attest according to Scripture and then speaks of the Humanity in conjunction with the Deity so far art thou from attesting according to Scripture that the words thou usest I never read in Scripture but know they with other words used by thee have not a ground from the Scriptures as thou confessest the Preachers of the Light have but from the Antichristian Spirit that having despised the Light and offered despight unto the Spirit of Grace cannot express their matters and inventions in the Language of the Spirit by which the Scriptures were given forth except they steal them where they are already written and so have joyned words in the dark where all images are framed and amongst these thou hast got som to strengthen thee against the Light and to lay falsehood on the obeyers thereof in saying they deny the bodily Humanity of our Lord who is thy lord indeed is to be denied but the Lord from Heaven by whom all things were made thou never heardst any to deny that have faith in the Light or any of those names which the Scripture gives as the man Christ Jesus as he that became flesh and lived amongst us and that was and is a great Mystery God manifested in flesh the Christ indeed appointed of God to be both Priest and King and for thy attesting according to Scripture is only a relating what thou hast read which Pope and Prelate as well as thee can talk of the Virgins conceiving bringing forth and of Christs Suffering Death Resurrection and Ascension none of those things there written didst thou ever hear denied by any of the Children of Light But the imaginations of others and thee thereon were and are to be testified against for it was vain imaginations that the Lord did and doth complain on and however thou camest to be in Prison and elsewhere with the people of the Lord yet it was then seen and in that which discerns that the chamber of imagery was never destroyed in thee nor the old bottle broken but the ground standing in thee that brings forth Briers and Thorns and is neer unto cursing and the fruits thereof thou hast brought forth in perverting some and laying stumblings in the way of the simple thou wert a climer at the first and got some words of the fame of Life but was and art in Death and to this day bringest forth therein and so being in blindness thy self thinkest others cannot see and so after thy relating part of what is written concerning Christ Jesus we see sayest thou what Testimony the Scriptures gives of the Lord 's Christ that he is not the Light in any mans Conscience nor the Principle of Light art thou not ashamed to call to see that which cannot be seen for doth the Scriptures any where say Christ is not the Light in the Conscience nor the Principle of Light so see thy work is to deceive and make people believe lies whose work art thou a doing that art drawing from believing in the Light to believe a lye doth not the Scriptures by the mouth of Christ say believe in the Light and do the Scriptures hold out any Faith or any to believe in but Christ and is not the cause and being of all things Christ and yet thou deniest him to be the principle of Light what would thy dark minde make the principle of Light that denies the Lord Christ that saith I am the Light of the World thou shewest thy ignorance of the mystery of Faith which in the pure Conscience is hid but whose Conscience is defiled and feared hath no feeling of Light nor Faith and so would blind the eyes of others to lead captive as the Divil doth all that disobey the Light for it is an everlasting Truth who resist the Light that gave forth the Scriptures doth pervert the Scriptures to their own destruction not knowing the Interpreter of a Thousand for in the motion of Light and Spirit were the Scriptures given forth and by the same only is the Holy men gave them forth as they were moved of the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. true understanding thereof and those that have and do bring forth without being learned of the Light have filled the World with Errors and Falshoods Babel indeed and thou a chief Builder therein ignorant of the Covenant of Light Christ the Covenant to Gods people and a Light unto the Gentiles to the ends of the Earth thus saith As the Prophet Isaiah and old Simeon declared the Scripture with much more in Testimony to and for the Truth he is the Light of the World and so all that have an eye to see may see that thou goest about to attest a Lye and the Scriptures testifie against thee and are contrary to thy Doctrine that denyest the Christ of God who art framing an Image but thy Snare is broken and all that love and obey the Light have and shall escape and thy own work shall turn upon thee for he that commanded Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined into our hearts to give us the knowledg of himself in the face of Jesus Christ but who resists the shining in their own hearts wax worse and worse until they come to war against that to which those sent of God turned men to from Darkness to Light from the Power of Satan unto the Power of God but who sent thee that turns from the Power of Light to believe thy dark Imaginations of a creaturely Soul and instead of bringing Scripture for thy Proof thou bringest a Proof from Beamond or thy own Imaginations that we should
assuredly that he is in us that saves from sin and his name is Jesus cannot but testifie against all Images and their makers for unto him alone is our eye that is from everlasting to everlasting that in the fulness of time took flesh upon him and dwelt amongst us and this is our Light our Life our Root Spirit and Power and shall wear out all created lights imagined internal roots and natures light with all R. C's and others imaginations who not being able to get from under the Righteous Judgments of God goes about to speak evil of the things he knoweth not and so the natural light and the spirit of a man the light of Conscience or what the carnal man can see and know being his own he brings forth and saith these are our opinions so in the Truth must all lyes and falshood be turned on the head of the lyar from whence they come and in Truth are we established more and more having no God but one and he everlasting and almighty who commanded Light tashine out of darkness and hath shined in our hearts to give us the Light of the knowledg of the Glory of himself in the face of Jesus Christ and this is that I had of the Lord to give forth as a testimony against R. C. his paper entituled God's Truth attested according to Scripture about 8. months since and about that time was it written but having the knowledg that a brother whom in the Lord I honour for his faithful continued service in and for God's Truth 's sake was answering of it I laid these my papers aside not knowing a use for them not looking on them as I know for seven months time but about three weeks since or thereabouts looking among my writings I lighted on them and had something as I was reading them in my heart that it must be published But not at that instant giving up clearly to it the next night or the next after the Lord visited me with a sore and dangerous Distemper of body and I being an ancient woman that have and do wait for my change received it as a Messenger for my removal out of this Tabernacle of clay and not at all grievous unto me having by obedience to and by Faith in the Light obtained redemption out of that which must come to an end and an entrance into the Life and Kingdom that shall never have end so waiting quietly on my weak bed for the revelation of his will whom I serve in my spirit day and night what his will and pleasure was to do with me for I have learned that its better to live to God then to have a life in this World and whilst I thus waited my sleep being short I had in them several sights of somthing I was to suffer and do in this present World among which a sight of a late work of R. C. in which he would bespatter the servant or servants of the Lord and the morning after this Vision one came in and related to me that R. C. had sent his Queries out to G. F. and his ministers but G. F's life is where the evil one nor any of his ministers can come sent of God Blest and a Blessing to the Generation of the Righteous Then the Lord clear'd it to me that what I had writ or should farther be given in unto me as to or of R. C. to give forth and then an assurance I had of being healed of my weakness and declared it to one Friend that the Lord had somthing more for me to do ere I went hence if but this in bearing testimony against this Instrument of the evil one I shall lye down in peace for I speak the truth I lye not the Lord in a Vision by night afore ever I saw R. C. in the outward shewed me him and his dwelling and family in the night season and that he should be a Troubler of the House of God and cause his people to suffer and I have seen and traced him in his work and am well acquainted with his outside love feigning whereby he hath deceived some simple in his pretended singularity and elocution of his own doctrine way and though he long walked with us yet never came to the knowledg of the Truth and the old bottle being unbroken such as he had hath he brings forth of it and has by cunning led some silly ones captive by perverting the good way of God yea so prosperous has he been in his cursed practice among those that were willing again to imbrace this present world that he has perverted whole families that were called with the high and heavenly Call but never come to the election and so have been deceived and are found such as have taken the name of God in vain and are not nor shall not be held guiltless and though they have or may make merry over the slain perverters and perverted from the good way of the Lord yet their Condemnation slumbers not and the Lord hath and doth behold their wicked works that having betrayed the Truth in themselves would tempt others to believe a lye as if we were like unto themselvs looked for Salvation by another way then by Christ Jesus the Son of God so that none may believe a lye is this sent abroad that he and he only of whom the Scriptures declare is our Salvation and there is not another way to God and what is recorded of him and by him in the Scriptures of Truth from the first of Genesis to the last of the Revelation knowing that they were given forth as holy men were moved of the holy Ghost not of a private interpretation for the unlearned of this Spirit have and do interpret to their own destruction for none have seen God at any time but the only begotten and they to whom he reveals him and by spirit only was and is made manifest and that a measure of this is given to every one to profit withal the Scriptures bear witness and this and no other is their Principle that are called Quakers and by Faith we have profited dwelling in this Light and Spirit know the blood of Jesus which clenseth from all sin and gives us fellowship with the Father and Son in the measure of this Spirit that hath filled our hearts with love and good will unto all and so with the hazard of all this World hath through sufferings accusations and bad reports we pass sounding forth the good-will of God unto every one that he hath given a measure of his own Spirit to profit withal and they that will not hearken unto it will not believe though one from the dead should be sent unto them this is that which was given unto me to be sent forth as an answer and to come over the imagined doctrines of R. C. in his first paper that is called the Truth at tested according to Scripture but is found contrary to Scripture
beginst thy Queries of a witness that we affirm to be God and Christ and I answer so we do that faithfull and true one that made all things and we have this witness in our selves and is it honesty in thee to say this is but the spirit of a man it is like that the Witness thou witnesseth with is a false spirit but ours is the true thou shouldst not speak evil of that thou knowst not for thou art as unknowing it seems of what we declare as unbelieving that calls the Spirit or Witness we declare of the Worm that never dyes what no difference R. in the dark I see what wouldst thou have God and Divil one that I hear indeed is the Ranters principle which thou in this seems to be one with what no difference between him that judges in Righteousness and he that accuses all that can be said in this matter for thee is that thou hast more knowledg of the Worm that never dyes then of him we believe in but how thou canst make good thy former doctrine that the Light in Conscience should be a Habitation for God and those that he has given to Christ and yet should be the Worm that never dyes I know not for we believe no such confusion for thou might'st as well have said Hell Heaven are one and the Divil will never break the Serpents head as that thou hast said and these are thy own for we testifie of no such witness but against that and thee that so invents for we are joyned to and believe in him in whom the Accuser hath no part And in thy twelf page thou repeats some Scriptures that our Friends its like have put forth which testifies to Truth as these words He that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and that none receives the Spirit but he that believes in Christ that is giver of the Spirit to which thou addest these words as a Query Whether the Spirit you walk by is the Spirit of Christ or the power of Magick Answer to which I Answer may not all that have an eye to see see what spirit thou art of that so much speaks of Scripture and when such Scriptures are brought as smites thy Image and testifies to the Truth thou art so far from answering any thing in plainness to it that thou turnest into a Query whether our Spirit we walk by be the Spirit of Christ or the spirit of Magick O how do thy evil thoughts and imaginations gender to strife what ground hast thou to question this but a lye of thy own framing saying we deny him to be the Christ that was the offering for sin which lye must turn upon thy own head for he that did and doth live make to intercession for all that come to God by him we confess to and there is no offering for sin but Jesus whom we witness to save from sin so for thy Magick and Sorcery it is thy own for we have no fellowship with them that work it but know that such as withstand the Truth as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses by bringing forth likenesses of what Moses wrought in and by the Finger and Arm of God they that bring forth a likeness by their Sorceries whereby the hearts of the Oppressors were hardened and the Seed which God would have delivered kept the longer in bondage and how deeply thou hast been in this work of Jannes and Jambres thou wilt one day know And many of thy Queries yea the most tending only to insnare in asking if that Christ which was and did the things mentioned in Scriptures be the Christ or Light in the Conscience to this I Answer thou art speaking as one that hath many Gods and many Lords but we who walk in the Light have but one God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and he and his Spirit is one so he that said to his Disciples that he which was with them not divided would be in them so one God do the Children of Light confess to made manifest by his Son in Spirit and these are one but thou in the second page of thy Queries sayest Christ is not the Eternal Father and that he and his Father is not one and thy carnal Reason for it is that he that gives is one and he to whom it is given another and this to prove or maintain Christ and God to be two well mayest thou fight against us and our words of Truth that goes about to make void or disprove the words of Christ that saith My Father and I are one when he was in the Person thou so much speak'st of but thou sayest they are two and the Apostle John says John 1. 3. all things were made by him and without him was nothing made that was made and the Apostle Paul says all things were made by him and for him but thou R. C. art not ashamed to deny the words of the Apostles and sayest plainly all things were not made by him thou blasphemously going to comprehend the things of God in thy dark mind denies the words of Christ And in thy nineth page sayst I see not wherein you are wronged in being charged to deny God and Christ in a Place above Sun Moon and Stars and Elements nay it is like thou dost not nor will not see our wrong that art so great a Wronger of us that in so many years as thou watched us with an evil eye yet not having from our own words to charge us of error or evil comes forth as publickly as thou canst to set the World against us by telling them we cry up and worship such a light as thou hast invented and thou mightest as truly have said that we denied God any where as that thou had said but let Truth come over all thy former Lyes as this God being our Witness that we lye not but have and do confess before men that our Lord is above and over all created things the Earth the Heavens and all therein the works of his Hands in whom we believe God blessed for evermore whose Throne is Heaven above all and the Earth his Foot-stool and under his Feet shall all his Enemies be put then will every Image-makers be brought down and every Lyars mouth be stoped and false Accuser and he that invents wrong shall have no place but that which is prepared for him And in thy nineth page thou Queriest if the Christ which John said was the Christ or the Light in man be the Christ which G. F. saith is the Christ explain sayst thou To which I Answer without guile in the Truth I have known G. F. as thou neither hast nor canst know him while thou fightest against the true Light and thousands can witness that of God he was sent to bear witness of the same Light and Christ which the Apostle John bear witness to and there is but one Christ what ever thou imagins in whom was and is Life and this Life
is the Light of men and this is the true Light which enlightens every man that comes into the World but thou and all that love darkness better then Light cannot comprehend the true Light and so despisest the Messengers thereof growing in envy against them as Cain against Abel that offered in Faith and had this Testimony that he pleased God but Cain in the unbelief grows angry and rises against his brother and so those who through the unbelief loving darkness better then Light rise up against the witnesses of Light if it be Apostles or G. F. or who ever as thou R. C. do'st who deny'st John's words that saith All was made by him the word Christ and thou plainly sayest it is not so for he did not make himself sayest thou so none will marvel thou canst not see nor receive G. F's testimony of Christ that cannot receive John's testimony yet no other Christ then he that gave life for all men hath G. F. testified of and we know he lives for ever and he and his mark no comprehender knows who was from eternity to eternity and though in the days of his humiliation his Judgments was taken from him who can declare his generation not thou which vainly asks what is become of him the Christ which the Scriptures declare of to which is answered he is every where and all things are upheld by him and in us of a truth that in his Light have believed But thou and all that in the imaginations of your own hearts are stiving against the Spirit of Grace cannot wait for or discern his appearance and therefore ask what is become of him And in thy eleventh page thou Queriest Whether Peters witness in his Conscience by which he confessed Christ to be the Son of God was not as much God and Christ as the Witness in you I Answer Christ told Peter It was the Spirit of his Father and Christ's answer hath and doth satisfie all that believe in him and that Father Son and Spirit are one which then did and now do speak in us that believe to the torment of all vain imaginers as art thou that asks if the witness in us be any other then that in Peter which Christ bears testimony to and that to him but thou sayst the witness is the Worm that shall never dyes This was the Spirit that called the Master of the house Belzebub that makes a slight thing of the Spirit of the Father as if less then God or Christ by which we that believe are saved and have fellowship with the Father and Son and all that are in the Light where the blood is witnessed which takes away all sin and of it and to this Spirit we witness that thou in thy first page sayst it is the Spirit of a man and the Worm that never dyes and that against our doctrine thou must testifie So repent of thy blasphemies if thou canst it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God but to draw to a conclusion of speaking much more to thy Queries the most being but repetitious of the like unprofitable stuff I shall a little take notice of what thou sayst to them thou callest thy old friends and if I have not fully answered yet I have given thee what is given unto me and am clear it shall stop thy wicked purpose and the Lord hath many valiant Souldiers for his Truth that shall yet smite every enemy that rises up against the Faith till your Chariot-wheels be struck off and you all swallowed in the deep who do what you can to stop Israel in his way but Hells strength shall not prevail against our Rock Christ revealed in Spirit receive it if thou canst and thy old Friends as thou callest them thou goest on to speak to whom thou sayest thou wouldst not have fall short of entring the Rest and then urges it by a lye but if they were dreaming of such a Rest as thou imagins and in thy first Book calls it a Dwelling place for God and his people and in these thy Queries the Worm that shall never dyes which it will be well for all to fall short but whom doest thou account thy Friends among us if it were such as knew thee when thou appears to be that thou wert not though they may pity thy soul yet can they do less then abominate thy hypocritical practises for so many years together that seemed to be and wert not and if to the plain hearted thou speakest that hates deceit and every evil way thou wilt not by thy feigned words get any entrance but if by the old Friend thou meanest those that once took the name and profession of Truth in their mouthes as much as thee or more and by their own unbelieving hearts and thine or such like Betrayers are drawn back such manifesting they have taken the name of the Lord in vain and the Lord will not hold them guiltless for they have and do grieve his holy Spirit And which of thy Rests thou hast preached to these I know not but their obedience to thy Earthly spirit they manifestly hold forth in their returning again to their vomit and as Swine to wallow in their former Mire the Ministers of the Light and Grace of God have called and do call out of the World and the Customs and Fashions thereof to him that was not nor is not of the World Christ Jesus but to whom hast thou called that hast brought to brodered Hair Gold and Pearl and boldness of Face instead of shamefaceness and modesty to cringings and bowings worshipping of Creatures instead of sobriety and fear and more might be spoken if convenient of those thou hast perverted from the Way of Truth and Honesty and these if they repent not will not fall short of thy Rest The Worm that shall never dye and then thou givest an exhortation to beware that no man deceive you for the Spirit foreseeing what would be in the latter dayes foretold a departure from the Faith and that men should rise up bringing in most damnable errors and denying the Lord that bought them and many shall follow their pernicious wayes of whom the Way of Truth shall be evil spoken of so thou drawest to an end as thou beginest for as thou wouldst have people believe that we worshipped and believed in such a god as thou imagin'st and then placest conclusions on thy own invented doctrine so the evil thou divisest must fall upon thy self for here thou brings a Scripture that there should be a falling from the Faith and wouldst place it on us now that the evil spoken of by the Apostle is and doth come unto all that deny the faith is true but is it we or R. C. that have denied the Faith let the wise in heart judge for the Faith which the Scriptures speak of by which the Saints did overcome the World but the Faith which R. C. hath preached hath carried back into the World
‖ Know the Tree by the Fruit they that in measure were redeemed out of it having again imbraced this present World and they are such as deny the Lord that bought them even such as the Apostle Jude speaks of that like the first Angels that kept not their first state and likewise that kept not their Habitations but despises Dominion and speaks evil of Dignities so these speak evil of those things they know not but what they naturally knows as bruit Beasts now is not this R. C. and his Disciples that have risen up against the Dignities that are from above running into the way of Cain and perishing in the gainsaying of Corah has not his envy made it manifest O forget not for as it was spoken it is come to pass the Earth hath swollowed up many of you and none shall escape that divise against the Worship in Truth and Spirit and sets up a formed Light and natural Light to be the dwelling of God and his people that he has given to Jesus Christ So thou art manifested to know nothing but what thou knowest naturally as a bruit Beast and so appointest a natural rest for those that believe thy doctrine and warns thy old Friends not to fall short of it for it seems thou knowest not another then what thou knowest naturally but they who are come to the Law of the Spirit of Grace that sets free from sin and death know there is a Rest prepared for the people of God and an entrance thereinto many have and do witness and are set down in heavenly Places with Christ Jesus and this Rest and Glory was before the World was not a formed but that which Christ testifies of he had with the Father before the World was and this shall abide when all thy imaginations shall cease and thy formed Rest fail thee O how restless then shalt thou be when thy hope shall perish but our hope standing in him that is without beginning of dayes or end of life we shall never be ashamed and all that have this hope purifie themselves as God is pure So to thy imagined Rest thou art left where thy trouble and torment will be increased though thou and those deceived by thee and their own evil hearts have rejoyced in iniquity and if any by disobedience to or unbelieving in the Light have been overtaken with evil or run into the pollutions of this World this you Backsliders have gotten to strengthen you in your envy and back-drawing though your own appearance manifests you are one with them that have forsaken the good Way of God and the precious Truth to return to the vanities and customs of this present World denying his blood that hath calld out of the World and the Judgments of him that judgeth in Righteousness you shall not escape but as one shall you all be judged which have dispised the Spirit of Grace or have turned from it into wantonness so your portion shall be one from first to last that have left the good way of God and profained the Name of that Power and Life in which we that believe have and do know the fulfilling of the promise and are become partakers of the Divine Nature and born again thereof and thereby to inherit Life and immortality and an entrance into the Kingdom which all you are shut out of and have no part in And know to the increase of your torment that have writ against the Light thousands in faithfulness thereto are kept out of the pollutions yea and love of this World and witness redemption out of all that which must come to an end and to us are daily added and shall be added all that shall he saved we have not believed a Lye but the Truth and it is stronger then all and shall wear out your Envy and shall overcome all your invented Images and Mischiefs that you have divised against the Lord and his Anointed for the expectations of the Righteous in all generations is come and who through the regeneration have passed are sat down on Thrones and do and shall judge the Tribes of Israel but our reward you cannot see nor pertake of who have been unfaithful to him that called you and so never came to the Election but have betrayed it as faras it lay in you and have grieved many little ones and better had it been for some of you that you had never been born or that a Milstone had been hung about your necks and you thrown into the bottom of the Sea then a wrought the work of evil against the Lord and his Truth which he will more and more raise up and increase against and over all the strength of Hell and they and they only are thy Friends R. C. that in plainness warns thee of the wrath to come which shall overtake thee and all that harden their hearts and stop their ears against that which somtimes pricks them though they kicks against it and some that are stout-hearted shall confess unto when their Joy and Hope shall come to an end but the Lovers and Obeyers of the true Light have Peace and Joy in that which is endless and everlasting therefore the evil purposes and accusations and threats of those that disobey the Gospel cannot disturb nor make us afraid So we would that all men with us that believe in the Light might come to the knowledg of God and be saved but who hate the Light abide in darkness and brings forth confusion as R. C. hath done and there I leave him only Query of him as followeth I. IF the Light and Witness thou sayest the Quakers declares of the worm that will never dies then where is the Rest thou said'st before that God had made or created for his People in the Light in or of the Conscience answer II. Do'st thou imagine the Worm that never dies and the Rest to be both one answer if thou canst III. And I query since thou hast given so many names to the Light in or of the Conscience for it seems thou knowest not which saying It is the Dwelling of God and sometimes a formed Light and sometimes a Rest for the People of God and sometimes Natures Light and the Spirit of a man and the Worm that shall never dye I query if the spirit of a man and natures light be a Dwelling and Rest for God and his People that he hath given to Christ as thou hast said prove if thou canst by Scripture IV. I query of thee what the Conscience is of whose light in or of thou hast brought forth so many strange Images and though thou hast not brought one Scripture for thy many names of the Light in or of the Conscience what is Conscience declare if thou canst V. I query if thou canst bring any Scripture for proving God's Dwelling and his people in the Light of the humane Soul or that the spirit of man is the Rest or that the Rest and the Worm that never dyes
Then thou goest on to ask three Questions First Was the Light in mans Conscience that personal appearance that John bore witness to Second Was the Light in mans Conscience that word of God that was God by which all things were made that were made Third Was the Light in Conscience personally to be seen by the firmental eye to be felt with the outward hand And from these thy own words thou drawest a conclusion that if the Light of Conscience be not to be understood in these capcities our Doctrine is false Though thou hast brought no more reason to prove it then if thou hadst said I would have it so for as to the Apostles words we testifie and have learned in that Spirit which the carnal man could never discern nor the things thereof but the Apostle answers himself and hath declared of whom he testified by whom all things were made and that this was the true Light that enlightneth every man that cometh into the World and it was the Christ of God which he bore Testimony to so instead of proving us 〈◊〉 error that confess Christ the Light in every Conscience thou bringst thy self under the Plagues threatned for adding to the Scriptures For where did ever the Apostle in that place or any other speak of personal and firmental as thou dost and conclude all false that are not of thy mind And to answer thee further the Apostle did preach and testifie of Christ and as he taught him so is he learned in Light or Spirit is not this in the Conscience How wouldst thou have Christ seen felt and handled how is Christ with his people to the end of the World according to his Promise and how is he in them that was with them Is it to be seen firmental as thou callest though no other did the Apostle testifie of then he that became flesh and dwelt amongst us yet no more did they know him after the Flesh but after the Spirit but thou and such as thou who in your carnal minds would comprehend spiritual things bring forth your carnal apprehensions and having no knowledg but what you have sensually know neither Christ's Flesh nor glorious Body but that which could be pierced wounded and crucified all Image-makers are still oppressing for he is still slayn in spiritual Egypt where thou art and though thou knowest we that thou seemest to strike at did and do confess to him and no other that made a good confession before Pilate of whom John bear witness to be the Light of the World and this is true and they are found Liars before God that would set up any thing to be believed in but he that in Spirit is revealed for thousands of those that saw his personal appearance at Jerusalem knew him not to be the Christ nay by Spirit then was he to be learned as thou may read where Peter confesseth him and Christ saith Flesh and Blood hath not revealed this to thee but the Spirit of my Father and against this art thou fighting and those that are lead thereby for by Light and Spirit have we learned Christ and so teach him and this is he which is testified of that is the Eternal Gift of God and he that is sent of God whom to know is Eternal Life but of this are they all ignorant that call the Light in Conscience a formed thing and the Spirit of the humane earthly Soul but their ignorance of the great Power of God is not to be marvelled at that says The Light and Spirit is of the humane earthly soul and so would make all believe that the souls of men and women were no other then the Dogs or Cats and Beasts that must perish for what is of the Farth must to the Earth hast thou not read God breathed into man and he became a living Soul and thou callest this Human or Earthly needs then must they stumble and fall that walk in the dark as thou and all do that would comprehend the Light to dispute again●t but over thee and all vain Image-makers it shall rise that with your dark Images and inventions have filled the World with Idolatry Profainness and Athism and what doctrine more then thine doth it that preachest the Soul Human and Creaturely and the Light formed of it so neither Soul nor Light Immortal Eternal but of the Earth a beastly doctrine which hath manifested the Teacher to know nothing but what he knows sensually yet thou goest on repeating what Christ did and suffered when manifest at Jerusalem and then sayest this manifests Christ is Formative and not a Defusive Principle this like thy former stuff which thou hast got in thy dark mind so in dark words expressest it what manner of Christ thou wouldst have people believe in all in the Light see but the Christ of God is he that filleth all things as the Scriptures testifie And then thou goest on to confess that the Light of conscience was in the Apostles and by this Peter confessed Christ to be the Son of God How hath Satan blinded thee that loves darkness better then Light that thou shouldst bring this Scripture that callest the Light the Spirit of the human Soul and Christ saith the Spirit of the Father revealed it in Peter and was not and is not Christ in the Father so whatever thou hast denied thou hast now proved Father Spirit and Son the Light in the Conscience for they were never divided or else thou must hold after thy former dark doctrine the Father and the Spirit are but the Spirit of the human Soul thus shall all they be snared that invent against the Truth which is the same yesterday to day and for ever and let them all be so confounded as thou art that devise against the Light saith my soul for thou sayest Peter by his Light in Conscience bares witness to Christ the Son of God and Christ saith not Flesh and blood but the Spirit of my Father revealed it and knowest thou not that God is one not divided I in the Father and the Father in me saith Christ and none ascends to Heaven but he that comes down from Heaven the Son of man in Heaven but this thou nor any that saith the Light is the spirit of the humane soul could ever see but who in the Light and Spirit learn him know he filleth all things even the same to whom Peter confessed blest for ever as saith the Apostle One God and Father of all who is above all and thorow all and in you all Ephes 4. 6. and this is he we testifie of that dwells in the Light in Conscience where thou confessest the Son of God is revealed and yet sayest the Light in Conscience is not Christ for he saith he is ascended far above all Heavens that he may fill all things and then goest on saying Now O man open thy eyes and see how dangerously thou standest that denies the Body of our Lord Jesus Christ in his Person
And to this I answer none that discerns it can or doth deny it and their eyes are open to see thy confusion that wouldst prove that the Light in Conscience is not Christ by bringing this proof that he ascended that he might fill all things O gross darkness Doth he fill all things yet not the Conscience or hast thou so long strove against the Light in Conscience that thou accountest Conscience nothing for if any thing then thou provest he is in it for he fills all things and doth he fill with darkness or with Light for thy following words in the latter end of thy 11th page are a false Accusation in saying We make that Body that did the Fathers Will by whom we are saved to be extinguished and as to any Substance vanished away as smoke To this I answer I never knew any that had faith in the Light against which thou hast been devising deny Christ's Body but all such know it is a glorious Body and so there needs not much be said to a Lye but the Truth will come over it for no Lye is of the Truth and though thou boasts of a better Foundation then those thou accusest yet all in the Light know the Devil is the Foundation and Author of every lye but who are in the Light and build upon the Light are come to him that is the true Foundation of Generations too and of which Prophets and Apostles bare testimony and is now testified that God was Light and in him was no darkness at all so Life and Truth is over Darkness and falshood this is our Foundation that have not cryed up any Light but Christ that Corner-Stone that grinds to powder all that it falls upon and in page 11. thou goest on to speak of Christ's Church we having said it was his body as though thou wouldst contradict that Truth as well as others sayst it is but his members for whom he layed down his Life but this heady notion being altogether sayest thou condemned by Scripture I cease putting pen to paper in this matter what thou meanest by the heady notion I well know not that except thy own Accusation that thou speakest before but if thou didst apply it to thy precedent words in saying the Saints were but Members in contradiction to those that in truth say his Church is his Body for thou art the first that wouldst make difference between the Members and the Body of Christ that I have heard of b●t some as blind as thy self have gone about to make him two bodies but Members without a Body as thou mak'st with a but I never heard of before but his fulness that filleth all in all is known to them and them only that discern his Body spiritual indeed and seen only with the spiritual eye which being blinded in thy self thou wouldst darken in others And so thou goest on repeating some Scriptures and then calling after thy wonted manner to see that thou canst not show and then again thou beginst and sayest thou givest us to know that the Bedy of our Lord was humane and when thou hast gone on as well as thou canst to prove the first Adam and Christ one then thou goest to make a difference for this man of whom we speak is not the made Image of God as was Adam sayest thou but the express Image of the Fathers Person so having spoken of things thou understands not thou brings a Scripture that thou imaginest would prove it by which thou provest thy own ignorance both of the day and the Scripture that thou art my beloved Son this day have I begotten thee which was sayest thou when the holy Ghost overshadowed Mary All that believe in the Light know the day of his begetting Abraham saw it and was glad David saw it and testified of it hundreds of years before the Virgins Conception at Jerusalem So thou that wouldst not have the Son of God begotten till he was conceived of Mary who art not only out of the Faith of Abraham and David but blinder then the Priests of the World for th●y have and do preach for ought I know that he was begot and begetting from all Eternity and that the day of his Resurection was prophesied of by these words This day have I begotten thee so thou hast so much pored on the humane body as thou callest it that thou must bring forth a birth like thy conception in the dark but I think there is but few that will bow to thy image for thou canst not give it a seeming life neither from Scripture nor Reason And thou goest on and sayest He calleth not God Father as we but how wilt thou prove it no more then thy othe● imaginations for Christ saith My Father and your Father without making a difference but thou differs and denies it But thou deniest Christ Prophets and Apostles words if they will not sure thy imaginations and bringest forth thy blasphemous thoughts for the Son sayst thou was from the Substance of the Father which was not the Diety that was begotten so by thy words wouldst thou make it appear that the substance of God is not Diety nor Divine O stop thy mouth thou imaginary man that in confusion and darkness wouldst speak of that which thou art shut out of for the key of David thou hast not and so canst not know the womb that bare him which was pure nor the seed he took upon him nor his begetting for he the Christ was not conceived in sin as thou wert nor as thou imaginest so thou wert better be silent then exercise thy self in things to high for thee for all that strive against the Light must be shut up in darkness as thou art and so goest on in thy twelf page saying God was in Christ reconciling here thou hast brought a Scripture to overthrow all thy former Doctrine for then it is not the humane that reconciles but God and then thou goest on to repeat what Christ saith had I not come into the World you had had no sin but now your sins remain because ye believe not on him whom God hath sent for I come a Light into the World and this his coming thou wouldst have only at that time at Jerusalem as if he had not come before or since I would enquire of thee Was there no sin nor sins till Christ was manifest at Jerusalem for had I not come into the world you had had no sin for the cause of all sin was and is the not coming to him which saves from sin who was and is and is to come and so he that was the Light saith I am come a Light into the World and the condemnation of the World was and is that men love darkness better then Light because they come not to the Light their ●ins remain and who refuses the Light come not to him that they may have life but in darkness and death read and talk of the Scriptures as thou doest that brings