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A90976 The sun out-shining the moon, or, Righteousness excelling rottennness in answer to a lying scandalous paper, published by John Moone, entituled, The true light hath made manifest darknesse, &c. : but it is darkness put forth for light, as it will appear by that which followeth / and is published by John Price. Price, John, Welsh clergyman.; Bownd, William. Brief discovery of the the erroneous tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name of Quakers. 1658 (1658) Wing P3353; ESTC R43721 30,935 58

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mouth carping at they know not what like Dogs barking at the Moon Whereupon the said Alexander fathered that uproar upon me whereas there had not proceeded out of my mouth at that time any words but these above written and then I stated the question again as followeth Question Whether thou dost own a humane soul in man which is to be redeemed besides that pure principle of God He Answered The Soul is pure I replied that Jesus Christ came not to redeeme a pure principle of God but an impure soul Then said he Can the soul be defiled Can the soul be desiled I said The Soul can be defiled and the Soul is defiled through the fall in the first Adam He said The soul is under sin and slavery but it is not defiled with sin Then there was one that stood there for their side stirred up with a very wrathful distempered Spirit and said unto the said Alexander Brother I charge thee before God and these men that thou shalt not speak with this man And when he had thus spoken three times then the said Alexander said That he would not speak with me and so withdrew from me Whereupon I spake unto the people what he had said concerning mens souls that they could not be defiled with sin to the end that all those that see and are not stark blind might have a sight of his erronious Judgement Then the said Alexander drew near me again lest his Errors should be uncloaked and his Doctrine laid naked before the people saying Do not wrest my words I say The soul is pure I denied that the soul is pure to which end Christ came in the Flesh for to purifie impure souls I did bid him prove his affirmative Whereupon one John Moone it seems of the same judgement and Alexander did bid me prove that the soul is not pure I said I was not to prove a negative and so I did demand of them to prove that the soul is pure Then the said Alexander urged that Scripture in Gen. 2.7 God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living Soul I said that doth not prove what the Soul is but what the soul was Here it appeareth that lest he should receive a total rout or a deadly wound with his own staffe and his false Tenet be stript bare he said that he spake of his own Soul Now a word unto the said Alexander Parker and John Moone who say You speak from the mouth of the Lord and by that infallible Spirit as the holy men of God did and are fully perfect How is it that the said Alexander hath said and the said John Moone seeming to maintain what he had said and if he spake of his own Soul to be under sin and slavery how is it that he is also perfect Or is it not rather clear according to his general Doctrine that day and the question propounded that he spake of every mans Soul but lest he should be trapped in his own snare he said He spake of his own Soul Here I charge thee with a lie either of you shew me if you can which way you can escape it let me see which way you can dawb up this tottering Wall with your untempered Morter or else be ashamed of your ignorance and confesse your Error and repent Now to all you that are impartial and unbiassed that can weigh the truth in the Balance of Justice do I appeal First Whether that Proposition I propounded was a thing needful or material that day Secondly Whether the propounding of that question onely was a cause of an uproar Thirdly Whether it was a difficult thing for me to prove from Scripture that the Soul was defiled with sin Fourthly Whether that Scripture Gen. 2.7 doth prove his Soul or any other man's Soul to be pure since our fall in the first Adam Fifthly Whether this lying and equivocating aforesaid be from the mouth of the Lord and by the infallible Spirit Or whether is it by the Spirit of Error and from the mouth of Antichrist who is the Lord of lyes By one that is embouldened to stand up in the truths behalf to the face of truths Opposers WILLIAM BOWND A Copy of this forementioned Discourse was sent unto John Moone and Alexander Parker After many dayes I received this reply which followeth A Paper I received subscribed by one William Bownd wherein I find several lies and false accusations and lying aspersions cast upon the Messengers of the Lord judging of truth with his dark mind as that Generation of Professors ever did who had a form of Godlinesse but denied the light and Power as William Bownd hath gotten the good words painted himself with a covering but not with the Spirit of the Lord woe is his Portion for and to all who make a shew of Goodnesse but their lives and conversations contrary a blind Zeal but not according to truth and out of that blind zeal doth judge of the things of God judges truth to be Error and puts light for darknesse and darknesse for light as thou William Bownd and all blind Professors ever did persecute and hate them who were Professors and did walk in the life and Power of truth and to thee William Bownd and all people that were present that day at David William's house was the word of the Lord declared a mongst you and that of God in all your consciences shall for ever bear Testimony for the Lord and his word and it shall stand for ever and shall not go out in vain and shall be thy condemnation for ever and all that slight it and his Messengers and we shall be a good Savour unto God both in them that believe and in them that perish and what was spoken there of the mystery of Godlinesse which is hid from all vulterous eyes and venemous Beasts shall stand for ever and concerning redemption and the groanes and cryes of the Innocent that groaneth for deliverance as Israel groaned under Pharaoh this shalt thou Bownd and all people one day confesse to be truth and I appeal to all of that in thy conscience and all peoples consciences when any evil of sin is committed upon the sense and feeling of it many times sighes and groanes will be heard and the groans and cryes are entered into the eares of the Lord of Sabbath and he is now risen in his Majesty and dreadful Power for the redemption of his own people and will burn up the chaffe the wicked and carnal Professors and give them their Portion in the lake of endlesse misery and this shalt thou witnesse when the Book of conscience is opened and the liar hath his Portion And whereas thou Bownd saith That after Alexander Parker had done speaking thou spake unto him Whether he did own any part in man which is to be redeemed besides that pure principle which he had been speaking of and thou sayest he did not answer to the question which thou propoundedst which thing