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A96265	A discovery, and confutation of the opinions, and practises of some false brethren, betwixt Bridge, and Lincolne: shewing how they agree in their opinions, with Pelagians; Papists; Arminians; in their practises, with Anabaptists. Wherein univerall redemption is confuted; and Gods absolute decree confirmed. / By John Wetherall, minister of Spridlington, near Lincolne. March 22. 1651. Imprimatur. John Downame.	Wetherall, John, minister of Spridlington.	1652 (1652)	Wing W1523; Thomason E661_1; ESTC R206761	53,660	88

if not as bloudy yet as deadly and yet her hard hearted Children have no remorse or pitty on their poore Mother the Church Goe to the Isles of Chi●tim and see and send unto Kedar enquire of all the Nations round about us if any Children use their Mother on such a manner Jer. 2. 10. Eies distill teares Heart drop down bloud if thou hast any sence or feeling of the sad sufferings of thy sorrowfull Mother that is not eaten up but worried of her Children saevientes inter se raging among themselves by such cursed cruell meanes to kill their Mother as if some of the old Danes nay rather some old rotten Hereticks were raised from death to life to ruine England For a house to be on fire in one part is pittifull but to be on fire in every part it is a fearefull thing There were never such things seene in England since it was a Nation as the Israelites said when they saw the scattered limbs and pieces of the Levites Wife Judges 19. 30. The Red and White Roses of Lancaster and Yorke never had the like nor the two Lions of either Nation Gold and Gules Is he not rightly named Jacob said Esau of his brother for he hath supplanted me c. Gen. 27. 36. And are they not rightly called Universalists for besides that they seeke to supplant us like the Pharisees they compasse sea and land to make their Proselites as universall as their Opinions and they make them if it were possible worse then themselves Some of their practises in spreading their Opinions I touched in my Preface but yet that the Subject may be sutable to the Title I gave it at the beginning let me a little further shew the Reader their ordinary courses to catch such as are willing to be deceived and to confront Ministers therefore thus If there bee any that loves not or likes not or list to fall out or can by any means be drawn to quarrel with his Minister there 's hopes of him some of the Brethren set upon him to heare Mr. T. whom they extoll to the heavens whither being come hee is welcomed taken to his house where they club and hee is entertained to a cup of Ale and such newes as they have or would have how much Ale hath beene usually sent for on a Sabaoth in one afternoone I have been told and could hardly beleeve all are Fellows alike and this Familiarity is a sound Argument to prove the truth of their Doctrine Then they appoint a meeting at some Town there abouts the Brethren give notice of it far and neere and there is a generall Assembly of Men Women Boyes and Wenches Mr. T. speaks so they call it either in the Church or in a private House Chayre or Chimney or without Dores the same things over and over again as if the Brethren had besought him as the Gentiles did Paul to preach the same words next Sabaoth day Act. 13. 42. For be the Text whatsoever it wil he shakes hands with it immediatly they but meet and part And the truth is these meetings are so strong an Argument to prove their Opinions that no one man nay no one Town is able to Answer Up goe the Ministers Lifes and Doctrine among the Brethren and Sisters they cannot edifie by such a Minister another Preaches not Christ a third false Doctrine and then they consider what affronts are fittest to be offered to any of them Aladine Prince of Drangiana in Persia built a beautifull Pallace in a pleasant Valley which having furnished and fitted with all things that might ravish the eye or care he promised this Paradise so they calld it to his Partizans if they would doe this or that mischiefe against some Prince or Lord that lived about him so also my backe-friend by his fooles Paradise of Universall Grace offered to all effectually sets wicked men on worke to commit many mischiefes against the Ministers that live about him I say he sets on such as in their fortunes can hardly be worser or in their manners wickeder And yet they crack continually that they are set on and sent by Authority and abuse their Names whom they are unworthy to name they say such sent them who are Gentlemen of Honour and as much Honesty whom I am sure will not own them Scarce one of all the Brethren and Sisters but are utter Enemies to their owne and all the Ministers they know or know not they are Aegyptians and shepheards are an abomination unto them Gen. 46. 34. But Mr. T. drives a dainty trade we fetch our Tithes and well are we if we can have them for fetching they cary to Mr. T. c. and if this Devill bee cast out the hopes of his gaine is gone I might shew their uncivill behaviours in hearing the Word of God I have Preached to men 25 years now to Monsters that make strange faces laughing jeering and chatting in the Church I have read of a woman that being left poore at the death of her Husband the Devill appeared unto her and promised to make her rich upon condition that shee should performe these 3. things 1. Entice Church men to be nought with her 2. Take poore people in o' th day as if she meant to give them lodging and turne them out at night 3. That she would do as these doe themselves and set their children and servants to doe disturb the Minister in praying and preaching in the Church Thus are they like the Dog that will neither eat Hay himself nor suffer the Horse to eat I cannot tell how more fitly to compare them then to the H●reticks Bor●ori●ae whom they called thus for their beastly behaviour And if any Minister dare bee so bold as to speake against their proceedings then Mr. T. engages all his Hearers against him as he did engage them against mee they are the words of that blacke Bill sent abroad under his hand Hee preaches false Doctrine and they must undertake to prove it true by Arguments a fustibus drawne from their fists Indeed so did John Becold the Taylor of Leyden after King and Captaine of the Anabaptists at Munster and so did David George of Delfe that damned Heretick I wonder how he can tread so right in the steps of the Anabaptists reading so few Books besides the Bible for by relation he takes as much pains in the Pulpit as any man living as little out of it but this it is to be inspired by the same spirit But above all their other practises their publicke Meetings are most offensive and may in time prove as pernicious to the Common-wealth as they are at present to the Church the Lord God grant that Authority may look to it in time that we may sleep quietly in our beds by night and not be affrighted by such Fellows de faece plebis if we walk abroad by day For multitudes to meet on this maner at a little Towne without consent of the Minister and other

lie in my right hand Isa 44. 20. They are blinde and which is worse they will not see foolish Prophets that follow their owne spirit Ezek. 13. 3. What pitty is it that this Viper should creep continually upon the body of our Church and yet the hand of Authority I hope for want of information hath not shaken it into the fire Usque quò Domine Usque quò how long Lord how long all those things are come upon us and yet there is none that knowes how long Psal 74. 9. 10. It is our parts to pray thy will be done in Earth as it is in Heaven but even the Lord for Christs sake when it is his blessed Will deliver this Church from the effects of blinde zeale and over-bold devotion And thus I have set downe some of the Opinions of the Brethren in the Gospel about us all their Opinions it is impossible to relate they cannot tell their own Tenets they hold any thing but the Truth A certain Mathematician in reading a Lecture to his Scholars was quite out so hee asked them if they understood him no replied they Indeed I wonder not said he nam Ego meipsum non intelligo for I understand not my selfe the Brethren are as much out as this Mathematitian and may say on the same maner A Neighbour not a fortnight since discoursing with Mr. T. told him he ought not to take the Scriptures alwaies in a literall sence for Christ said he was a Door a Vine vet he was neither of both in a literall sence he called the Bread his Body yet it was not literally his Body Mr. T. made answer that our Saviour Christ when he said so clapt his hand on his Body and said Hoc est corpus meum This is my Body but hee meant it not of the Bread They say Affrica semper aliquid apportat novi and Anglia abounds as much with Monstrous Opinions as Affrica with Monsters and the Fruits of these evill Trees are as bad as those that grow upon the banks of the Dead Sea A Stranger can scarce ride twixt Bridge and Lincolne but he may heare or see the Country all set on fire our parts of Lynsey vomit out flames as fast as Vesuvius the Father against the Son and the Son against the Father the Husband against his Wife and the Wife against her Husband the Brother would betray the Brother to death Friends and Neighbours are even ready to eat one another Warres and Warlike Opinions as if the Times that Christ foretold had overtaken us At first The Netherlands received the infection of this pestilent Doctrine from Britaine by Pelagius and now at last Britaine hath received the same infection from the Netherlands by Arminius The Peach-tree brought out of Asia and planted in Italy of ranke poyson became pleasant fruit but the Papists and Arminian Opinions brought out of Italy and Germany and planted upon our Heaths among us mad Hylanders have a quite contrary effect for the practises of the Brethren passe and repasse Papists and Arminians all but Anabaptists in a super-superlative degree Nero set Rome on fire that he might sing the Destruction of Troy in suo genere in kind or in its proper colours he that hath a minde to sing Lachrymae in a sympathizing tune may see a sad example with us Let a man but looke into the Townes all about Mr. T. and he may see or heare them brawle and brangle so soone as they arise and so they continue till they go to bed such Divisions and Sub-divisions as cannot but make our Enemies to laugh and ous Friends to weepe The Church of God is now in two Extreames a floud and a fire in a floud of teares and yet on fire in her different affections alas that neither this floud can quench that fire nor any fire can dry this floud The Divisions of Simeon the Divisions of Levi the Divisions of Simeon against Levi and the divisions of Levi among themselves who is able to behold with dry a man cannot thinke of as hee ought without without wet eyes The Divisions of Reuben doe pierce the very soule of the Mother that bore him and there is none of all the Children that shee hath brought forth able to comfort their Mother that is even sick at heart and sits by the high way side begging helpe of every one that passeth by Come hither Heraclytus stay Travailer and weep with us If any man would tell wonders in his own let him come first into our Country and there he may see that which no good Christian can desire or delight to see I have read of one who being borne blind he had his sight given him by his Prayers to God but then hee saw so many wickednesses that hee desired of God to be blind againe and if the story tell truth it was granted Was it then such an Age as God hath reserved us to live in Our Mother is sore sicke of a Convulsion pulld all to peeces on a pitifull maner like an Oake that is cleft in sunder with Wedges made out of its own body Plutarch reports of a beautifull Damosell whom a company of yong men contended for to be their Bride they would all of them have had her but they could not agree that any one of the should enjoy her therfore they cut her all to peeces and tooke each one a part so then they all of them had her and yet they none of them had her Religion is that beautifull Damosell whom Papists Antinomians Anabaptists Arminians Universalists and other Schismatiks say they strive for but the truth is they cut poore Religion all to pieces and each one of them have a part but none of them have pure Religion If any man had lost his Religion he might once have found it in Poland afterward in Amsterdam but now in England or else it is vanished out of the world Medaea cut her childe in pieces a cruell Mother but that Children should cut their Mother in pieces Ah cursed Children Woe is me that ever I bore you may may our Mother the Church say to such churlish Children as the Prophet Jer. of his Mother Jer. 15. 10. Surely bloudy Children have you been unto me may the Church say unto such as Zipporah to her Husband when she threw the Childes foreskin at his feet Exod. 4. 23. Call me not NAOMI that is a beautifull Church but call mee MARAH may our Mother say for the Lord hath dealt bitterly with me Ruth 1. 20. Richard the first K. of England being in his Fathers life time a disobedient Child comming to meet his Fathers dead body Royally adorned for the Buriall according to the Majesty of his State the very Corpse as it were abhorring and accusing him for his unnaturall cruelties gushed forth bloud whereat Richard pierced with remorse melted into a floud of tears on a most penitent manner But we may see the wounds of our Mother the Church as wide as in the Warres

Inhabitants is such a course as was used at Mulhus in Turingia and at Munster in Westphalia among the Anabaptists it never was among good Christians Indeed Robert le Bruce K. of Scotland admitted of women and boyes to supply the rooms of trained Souldiers in his necessities and though hee thereby got the day yet I hope that wee who fight the battels of the Lord of Hosts shall never be defeated by such a simple policy a rowt of silly Women ignorant Men and a rabble of Girles and Boyes For my own and my good Neighbours sake I must signifie that there are in our Town but 2. constant Hearers of Mr. T. that go to him when he comes to them then he may have 4. or 5. more but not many not one Husband-man that I know of will goe out of doores to heare him I thinke desires not hee should come into their doores except one who is almost deafe and blinde and came scarce this halfe yeer to hear me but the woman was first in the transgression how can it be but there must needs follow a fearefull falling away when men or women love the company the discourse the writings of the grossest Sectaries of all sorts and loath the truth And for these 2. that are his constant Hearers there is no mischiefe would bee thought on with us were it not for them their excuse when they say or doe what they may suffer for is that they were drunke One of them would have hired a Neighbour to fall out with me hee offered him money at severall times but the honest man hated such an horrible wickednesse and told mee how hee tempted him They have sworne both of them even to the taking away of life I say not forsworn Like Salamanders they delight to live in the fire if any Brangle bee with us or about us O brave They are like those fishes that love troubled waters like Flies they sit either on sore places or are padling in dung and Baalzebub is the God of these Flies They say Hyppocrates left a Rule to all his Fellow Physitians which he commanded them to observe on paine of his Curse it was this That they should Cure others with Medicines Simple and Compound themselves with Sack and Claret But these Men if I may call them Men use the same Physicke themselves that they prescribe to others yet if they do goe to Hel as Roboald K. of West-Frysons said they may find some of their friends if the Divell dare let them come thither there 's the doubt left they trouble him as much as they doe us I and mine are bound to blesse God that the elder Brother could not tell how to be so wicked as the yonger would have had him for hee is plenus rimarum full of holes as a Riddle and can hold nothing any body or a cup of Ale may set open the Stable doore and let out the Asse within And which is strange yet true Lions and Beares are won with kindnesses but these men are worse then Beasts Doe them a courtesie and you dare not but doe it then who dare meddle with them as if they could set the Divell as they doe their Dogs on any thing They say Amphions Musick made the stones to dance and drew them after him savadge men they meant sure that were before sencelesse as stones they tell us that the Dolphins saved Arions life because he playd and sung so sweetly the Pythagoreans undertooke to cure the Melancholy nay the Mad mans fury by Musicke When the evill Spirit from God was upon Saul David took a Harp and playd with his hands so Saul was refreshed and was well and the evill Spirit departed from him 1. Sam. 16. 23. I have often heard out of many a Ministers mouth such sweet Melody as past Arions and Amphions skill beyond compare put down the Pythagoreans Pipes it must bee short of that sweet Singers tongue t is true not of his Harp and Hand though they warbled never so well and yet the Divell doth not depart from Saul he is as ill as ever Wee pipe but they will not dance I had rather undertake to charme a hungry Lions mouth to winne a Tyger or to meet a wild shee Beare and make her tame then to mollifie or make a change in these mens manners never men tooke more paines to be vertuous then they doe to bee vitious no Aesculapius can cure their ill Conditions But suppose they doe that which I trust in God the Devill by their meanes shall never bee able to doe yet as Epaminondas said of his two Daughters the Battails of Mantinea and Leuctra so may I say too this Daughter of mine is like to out-live their cruelties and vindicate her Fathers credit against the Opinions and the Practises of such shamelesse Sectaries Having obtained helpe of God I continue to this day as Paul said in such a Case Acts 26. 22. though they are and have beene very Jewes unto mee and come what can come it shall be welcome if I cannot be secured from the troubles of men on Earth yet I know nothing can hurt mee that comes from God in Heaven Now let Mr. T. tell mee truly if such Phaetons as set the world on fire be fit Companions for Ministers if yet he be a Minister which who beleeves Birds of one feather will flie together but I cannot hear that ever he used the Company of any Minister nay hath he not doth he not abdicare se ab Officio put off the Office as they doe that renounce their Baptisme by joyning in the right hand of fellowship and admitting equally men of any Trade or Occupation to Preach or Teach with him in publick though they be no Ministers Besides Bishops and Presbyters are an abomination to him and as for the People they cannot make a Minister ●il dat quod non habet no Cause can give to the Effect that which it hath not first in it selfe and hee ought not to take that Office to himselfe it is against Heb. 5. 4. Therefore I doe not deny but I doubt hee is no Minister Let him remember that may be lawfull in Ecclesia constituenda which is not lawfull in Ecclesia constituta that may bee lawfull in the planting or gathering of a Church which is unlawfull afterward However it be his practise is against the 23. Article the words of that Article are these It is not lawfull for any man to take upon him the Office of publicke Preaching or Ministring the Sacraments in the Congregation before he be lawfully called and sent to execute the same And these we ought to judge lawfully called and sent which be chosen and called to this work by men who have publick Authority given un-unto them in the Congregation to call and send Ministers into the Lords Vineyard I doe not instance in this Article otherwise then as it agrees with the practise of all Protestant Churches in Europe and it may be proved out of the