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A87828 Seven questions about the controversie betweene the Church of England, and the Separatists and Anabaptists, breifely [sic] discussed. 1. Whether is the Church of England as it now stands a true church? 2. Whether the Church of England be a right nationall church? 3. Whether are the ministers in the Church of England sent of God, and so are true ministers or not? 4. Whether is the baptisme of infants a true and lawfull baptisme or no? 5. Whether it be lawfull to be rebaptized or not? 6. Whether it is lawfull to separate from all the publike ordinances and Christian assemblies in our English church, because there are some defects in discipline, and in other things amongst us? 7. Whether is it necessarie to demolish our churches (steeple-houses as the Separatists call them,) and to build them in other places, because they were built by idolators for idolatrous worship, were abused with images, and dedicated to saints? By Immanuel Knutton, preacher of Gods word at Beeston in Nottingham shire [sic]. Knutton, Immanuel, d. 1655. 1645 (1645) Wing K744; Thomason E25_20; ESTC R4217 31,540 40

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the businesse I speake of Object But the Ministers of the Gospel should be called in a Church way by the Church and not be obtruded upon them as many Ministers in this Church be against the consent of the people in this land people being prophaine as Heathens and being no Church cannot chuse Ministers neither are such true Ministers as are called by them Ans 1. I thinke every Godly and Learned Minister will not account himselfe a Minister sent of God as he hath his calling from the Prelates but will rather looke at his divine qualifications for the Lords worke as his internall call from God and at his peoples election of him to such a charge as his outward call and will looke at the Episcopall ordination as a meere Ceremony which cannot nullifie his divine call from God and the Church 2. I conceive that sometimes a Minister may be sent of God to preach the word when the people desire him not As after Christs ascension the Apostles disperst the Gospel in divers heathenish Nations so may it now fall out if a Minister should goe and preach among the Pagans and convert divers of them to the truth for ought I see he may be truely said to be a Minister sent of God 3. Though our land hath many prophaine in it yet it s a Nationall Church as I proved I should propose this quaere to the conscience of any reasonable man Suppose a prophaine parish where no meanes of grace ever was nor any Godly Christian ever dwelt should from the conviction of the necessity of preaching make earnest suite to some Godly and able Minister not tyed to any other charge to be their pastour and teach them the way to life I demand whether this man have a true divine call from God to them or not I conceive he hath though they be not a true Church yet they may be God by his spirit may excite in them a true desire after the word and that Minister may have much worke to doe there Acts 16.30 Paul and Silas had a true call to goe into the Jaylours house at his questioning of them about salvation though he was not fully converted 4. I thinke a Minister may be truely sent of God by a Synod of Godly and Learned Divines to a Pastorall charge though the people sometimes call him not as if he be to preach the word in a prophain parish that desires not powerfull preaching but hates it and would oppose the comming in of such a Minister the Synod may send him to such a place and God may blesse his labours to the conversion of many there a learned Synod is better able to judge of a Ministers ability and fidility for that sacred function then a vulgar congregation and there are too many ignorant parishes in this land who will hardly ever call zealous and godly Ministers to them if our blessed Parliament and reverend Synod have not a care to send such to them Object But the Ministers of this Church are maintained by Tithes a Jewish Ceremony and abolished long since by Christ Answer Tithes are not ceremoniall for a Jewish Ceremony was a carnall type of an holy thing injoyned for the service of the Tabernacle and Temple only untill the time of Reformation ●eb 9. Now to say that tithes were instituted to signifie something only for a time as all ceremonies were is not truth If any say they signified the maintenance of Ministers under the Gospel then it will follow that they signified a farre larger maintenance for the Ministers of the Gospel then the Leviticall Priesthood had because the office of Ministers of the Gospel is of greater worth excellency then the office of Priests and Levites under the law Also because the Antitype or thing signified is larger then the type or ceremony signifying Neither could tithes signifie an Arbitrary maintenance to be left to the will of the Magistrate as some say for this were to make a certainty tipyfie an uncertainty That tithes are morrall and so perpetuall I thus prove it 1 Cor. 9.13.14 That is by tiths else the Apostles apodosis answers not to his protasis then the similitude were lame Reas 1 Because The heathen by the light of nature judged that tithes were to be paid to such gods as they worshipped if the light of nature dictated tithes to be perpetuall then much more doth the word of God Herodotus saith that Cyrus King of Persia having conquered the Lydians offered the tithes of all to Jupiter Plutarch saith the Romans used to offer tithes to their gods Camillus vowed tithes to the goddesse mater Matuta in case he should overcome the Vejans Hee saith Lucullus grew rich because he observed the vse of paving tithes to Hercules Xenophon saith that others used to pay tithes to Apollo Pliny writing of the Sabaeans and Aethiopians more barberous then the Romans saith that Marchants may not meddle with the Spices which those countries yeeld abundantly before the Priests have laid out the tenth to their gods Festus saith the people of old did offer all the tenths to their gods Which use amongst all Nations shewes that it was dispersed from Noah amongst them yea it argues that it came from the incorrupt light of nature before the law was given Reas 2 Because That tithes were the Lords right long before the law was given Levit. 27.30 Here is neither institution nor assignation of tithes but a declaration of the Lords right here he saith not they shall be or let them be as was said of other Ceremoniall lawes as of the Passeover Exod. 12.24 But as it s said of the seventh day it is the Lords Sabbath so of tithes they are the Lords All that which concerning tithes was instituted in the law was that tithes should be assigned to the Levites so long as they served the Tabernacle Numb 18.21 Though God gave the tithes to the Levites yet did he not first found them in that Incorporation but only transferred his owne right to that order of Priesthood so long as it should endure and after the ceasing of that Priesthood the same right descended to the Ministers of the Gospel so tithes were due to the Leviticall Ministers as Ministers not as Leviticall and so are successively due to Evangelicall Pastors as Pastors not formally as Evangelicall Reas 3 Because It was the custome of Gods Church in all ages to pay tithes to the Lord before the law was written so Abraham paied the tith of all Gen. 14.20 Object That which Abraham payed was of the spoyles Heb. 7.4 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ans The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies the best of a mans goods sometimes the first fruits But admit that it signified spoyles and that Abraham gave tithes of the spoyles yet it more confirmes the right of tithes for if he gave tithes of the spoyles much more did he use to doe the same of his owne goods for here the Apostle saith Heb. 7.2 He gave