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A00703 A dialogue agaynst light, lewde, and lasciuious dauncing wherin are refuted all those reasons, which the common people vse to bring in defence thereof. Compiled and made by Christopher Fetherston. Fetherston, Christopher. 1582 (1582) STC 10835; ESTC S112556 31,329 94

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cannot worke Whereby their maisters doe reape but small gaynes If maisters especially those which haue dauncers to their seruauntes did well consider with them selues what great discommodities doe arise vnto them by their seruauntes dauncing they woulde giue the ministrels money to hold their peace faster then the dauncers woulde giue them money to pipe and yet they shoulde be no leesers by it at the yeeres ende But nowe will I prooue in a woorde or two that dauncing is no recreation for the mynde All Philosophers do graunt this in generall y t temperatura animise quitur temperaturam corporis that the temperature of the minde doeth folow the temperature of the body Whiche wordes doe serue very much to the ouerthrowing of your position For if so bee it the bodie be made sluggish and sleepie with dauncing and altogether vnapt to doe any thing as I haue before sufficiently proued then must the minde needes bee brought into like case So that you see that whereas you saide that dauncing was a recreation both for body minde I haue proued it to be neyther a recreation for the bodie nor yet for the minde Iu. You haue made a fayre speake of it it were great pitie but you were shut vp in a Cloyster amongst Monkes you can leade such a sober life Min. If I coulde not leade a more sober life then they I might well inough daunce for truely the sins which amongst them are committed doe farre passe your dauncing and yet is it badde ynough They are not sober and holy because they seeme so to bee They doe washe the outside of the cuppe and platter but within they are full of deadly poyson They are like paynted sepulchres which on the outside doe seeme fayre and beautifull but in wardly they are full of dead mens bones and all filthines Iu. You are out of your text sir I pray you returne to it againe Will you then admitte no recreation at all for those which are labourors take great paynes all the whole weeke in their vocation Min. Yes that I will and that such a recreation as shall be acceptable in the sight of God and laudable in the sight of the godly Iu. And I pray you sir what is that Min. When a man hath kept the first part of the fourth commaundement which is this that hee must labour all the whole sixe dayes and doe all that he hath to doe let him keepe the seuenth day whiche is the Sabboath day holy vnto the Lorde That is ``let him rest from bodily labour and let him attende vnto Gods hestes let him behaue him selfe as a true Christian ought and as it becommeth him whiche will bee a good keeper and sanctifier of the Sabboth day so shall he finde recreation both for his body and also for his minde Iu. Nay not so me thinke ye cannot proue that by this eyther the bodye or minde is recreated Min. Yes truely both of them for first and foremost it is a great recreation to a wearie bodie to haue rest for as the olde prouerbe goeth Fessum quies plurimum inuat rest is no small helpe to a wearie man And truely this rest he shall haue if hee keepe the Sabboath according to gods holy will and pleasure Againe if you doe well remember I sayde euen nowe that that doeth recreate y e body which maketh it more apt and able to do that which it ought And truely rest doeth this For as we do vnbende our bowes when as they haue bin long bent to the ende they may shoote more strongly when as wee doe bende them againe so laboring mē do grāt some rest to their bodies y t when mē go to worke againe they may both bee stonger to labour and also endure longer As for the mind who seeth not that it taketh great recreation by keeping the Sabboth day aright And to the ende I may better proue this to bee true let vs briefly consider what ought to bee the exercise of a Christian vpon that day wherein hee resteth from bodily labour He must repayre vnto the Church where all the faithfull are gathered together to offer vp their sacrifice euen that spirituall sacrifice which is spoken of by the prophete Dauid in the 50. Psalme Which is prayse prayer and thankesgiuing This done he must ioyne with them in prayer vnto the Lorde lifting vp cleane handes towardes the holy heauens where dwelleth God euen the father of our Lorde Iesus Christ Then must he giue eare vnto that whiche is red and taught by the minister he must heare marke and learne so much as he possiblie cā If opportunitie shall serue he must receiue the Sacramentes of the bodye and blood of our Sauiour Christ and that woorthilye and thankefully Hee muste meditate vppon that which hee hath hearde when hee returneth home againe Hee must visite the sicke he must clothe the naked hee must helpe those whiche are in neede and necessitie if hee bee able he must procure concorde where discorde hath beene finally ●ee must bewayle his sinnes and be heartily sorye for that whiche is past and hee must determine with him selfe that hee will neuer commit the same againe Who so doeth these thinges shall no doubt haue his minde wel recreated For when a man is wearied with sinne when hee seeth death destruction before his face due vnto him for his sins whereby it commeth to passe y ● he is euen swalowed vp of sorrowe what greater ioy can chaunce vnto him then to heare out of the woorde of God whiche is redde euerye Sabboath these sweete comfortes Come vnto me all yee that traueile and be heauie laden and I will refreshe you Whosoeuer shall beleue he shalbe saued Who so euer shall beleeue shall not bee confounded and many hundreth moe then these Iu. Will you then permitte those men whiche haue laboured sore all the whole weeke to haue no pastime vpon the sunday Min. Better pastime then that whiche I haue spoken of can they not vse neyther can they possiblie passe the time after a better sort for by such pastime shal they redeeme the time whiche they haue lewdly let passe Iu. Yea but wil you not permit them to vse some sport or play vpō sundayes as dauncing bowling and such like Min. You harpe still vpon that one string which methinkes maketh no good harmonie I can in no case permit that which god hath not permitted in his law for if I should adde any therto great plagues should be added vnto me I am no pope I cānot grant men licences to sin Iu. But howe doe you proue out of the commaundements that we may not daunce vpon the sundayes Min. Wee must keepe holy the Sabboath day therefore wee muste not daunce vpon the Sabboath day Iu. This agreeth as well as if I shoulde saye there is a bridge at Rochester therfore there is a barge at Billingsgate Min. Not so neyther for mine argument hangeth better together then so Iu. Howe doe you proue
it then Min. Marie sir thus Dauncing doth dishallowe the Sabboath day therefore if we must keepe holy the Sobboath day w●e must not daunce vpon the Sabboath Iu. Howe proue you that dauncing doeth dishallowe the Sabboath day Min. It is easie to prooue All vanitie ●●th dishallow the Sabboath day but dauncing is vanitie therefore dauncing doth dishallowe the Sabboath day Iu. You are still rapping me vpon the lippes with your logicke reason me coldly after the custome of the countrey Min. In deede meethinke I do soe for my reasons ●e so colde that they haue almost made you ●rease for all that heate which ye were in euē now when you begunne to defende dauncing ●o that you doe nowe gadde from your text Iu. Good God I doe much meruell why you doe speake so muche agaynst daunching dauncing hath been vsed in your fathers time and in your fathers fathers time and will bee vsed when you are both dead and rotten Min. Yea marie sir there you hi●te the nayle vpon the heade there g●eth the hare away This is euen like the reason which you did of late reci●e As if all thinges were good which were committed in the time of our forefathers Adam our first father disobeyed God is therefore disobediēce good Dauid who liued many hundred yeeres agoe did ●●e with Ber sabee and caused Urias to be slayne are therefore adulterie and murder good Iudas be●rayed his maister one thousand fyue hundred and odde yeeres a goe is therefore treason tollerable Absolon rebelled against his father long agoe is therefore rebellion commendable You spoke euen nowe of colde reasoning but me thinkes this reason is so colde that it hath at all no force But in this point you doe not degenerate from the Papistes who as they did suffer men to vse all kind of sensuality so did they neuer finde fault with this same vanitie I meane dauncing As they reasoned from customes and antiquitie euen so do you But wee must not rēgarde what hath been done in times past wee muste marke diligently what God hath commaunded vs to doe who was before all times If the Magistrate should gouerne as his fathers haue done before him hee shoulde oftentimes doe iniurie to the fatherlesse and oppresse the poore widowe If the preacher should alwayes preach as his auncest ours haue done hee shoulde sometime deliuer false doctrine If wee shoulde lyue as our forefathers did wee shoulde most times wander out of the way of vertue Which thing Chremes in Terence well considering hee burst out into these woordes Quam m●lta iniusta ac praua moribus fiunt many vniust and wicked things do come to passe through custome Iu. I pray you sir are you wiser then your forefathers do you loth that which they did like Min. If wisedome did come vnto men by nature or if knowledge were an inheritaunce like vnto landes which did discende vnto the sonne in like quantitie as his father had the same then coulde not wee say that we are wiser then our fathers but for as much as wisedom discretion knowlege are gifts y ● come frō aboue euē from the father of lights with whom there is no chaunge nor shadowe of chaunge as Saint Iames doeth testifie we may boldely say wee are wiser then our fathers if it haue pleased God to bestow vpon vs greater store of knowledge and wisedome then hee gaue vnto them For wisedome is not proper vnto gray haires so that all those which haue gray hayres must of necessitie bee wise and they onely can be wise and that they can alwayes bee wise neither is knowledge knit vp in white lockes Iu. Well then sir I perceiue you will be wiser then your forefathers but what say you to our Iustices will you be also wiser then are they It appeareth that they can like of daūcing els would they neuer graunt any licences to minstrels Min. I wil in no case compare my self vnto thē in wit for comparisons are odious agayne I know that they are called to such high degree because of that talent of witte and knowledge which God hath bestowed vpon them aboue their brethrē and I beseech God dayly to encrease the same that they may bee answerable in all poyntes to so high a calling But nowe as touching these lic●nces which they do graunt to minstrels I answere that sure I am that whatsoeuer they haue done heretofore there will none of them especially suche as doe feare Bod as I hope they do all hereafter graunt any licence if they do graunt any but they will put in this prouiso that if the sayde minstrell to whom this licence is graunted shall pype or fidle vpon the Sabboath day or any other day to the ende he may procure any lasciuious dauncing or if he shall pipe at any vnlawfull time of the night to the ende he may keepe mens seruants out of their maisters houses that then the licence graunted shall bee altogether voyde and of none effect Iu. In all this you doe not answere directly to my question I pray you why haue Iustices hereto fore graunted licēces to minstrels if they did not thinke that dauncing was lawfull Min. Truely my friende they did not graunt licences to minstrels because they thought that dauncing was lawfull but they did graunt them to the ende they might vse suche sober musicke as might delight the eares of thē godly and also such as hath been vsed amongst the holy fathers of olde Iu. But nowe if you will take away dauncing what reioycing shal men haue for in dauncing men do reioyce Min. I will in no case admitte lasciuious dauncing and yet will I grant that men must and ought to reioyce but yet this reioycing must not bee in dauncing nor in any such lewde pastime but it must be suche a maner of reioycing as is spoken of by the Prophete Ieremie in his ninth Chapter where bee induceth the Lorde himselfe speaking on this wise Let not the strong man reioyce in his strength nor the wise man in his wisedome nor the riche man in his riches but let euerie man reioyce in this that he knoweth me to be the Lorde which do equitie iustice and iudgement This is that reioycing which we must vse and if dauncing were such a kinde of reioycing I woulde graunt vnto you libertie to daunce not onely on the Sabboath day but also all the whole weeke Againe Saint Paule writing vnto the Phillippians in his 4. Chapter of the same Epistle writeth thus Reioyce in the Lorde alwayes and againe I say reioyce Where he telleth the godly where in they ought to reioyce not in a bawdy pype or tabor but in the Lorde If you will daunce this daunce not onely I but all the Godly will daunce with you Iu. Marie sir then God helpe vs if we must be so strait tyed I perceiue you woulde haue vs to liue like Saintes But I haue heard an olde prouerbe that he which is a Saint when he is young shall be a