of such People as we before the last twenty Years or so who placed Religion in Thouing and Theeing and refusing to put off their Hats and wear Decent Ornaments in their Apparel and it is such frothy stuff that it Shames thee and thy Profession but thou may'st know that though you may do what you will that are without Law to God yet we are taught to fear the Lord and whatsoever is pure to mind that and so our Religion stands in Christ not in outward Appearances though the outward be all thou canst see and so stumbles at the meanness of it but what are those Decent Ornaments in Apparel thou tell'st on Is needless Points and Laces and Ribonds and such filth Then surely all Saints are one with us here but for that thou say'st we Rail against Priests Tythes Idols Temples and Idols Worship being such as yours I say though Railing we deny yet we can easily prove by Scripture that Holy Men Cried Vehemently against false Worships and Worshipers who were guided as you are in all Ages but as for that thou say'st We Rail against Baptism and the Lord's Supper and Singing of Psalms thou art found a great and false Slanderer in this for to let pass the word Railing we deny that we so much as speak against Christ's Baptism or Supper or his Singing or that we take upon our selves to condemn any to Hell but this we say That no Vnrighteous One or Hypocrite hath any Inheritance in the Kingdom of God or of Christ and he that is not with us is against us which Words will-be hard and heavy for many to bear and as for Christ's Baptism and Supper and Singing in and with the Spirit we dearly own but the Hypocrite and their Leaven we deny Qu. 6. The next Query is something to the former purpose and so that which is said may serve for that but thou addest a great and wicked Lie and Slander in saying we condemn the most Eminent Saints and Martyrs for thou say'st they were not of our Minds and thou seemest much Troubled that thy self also whom thou hast so high an esteem of could not pass the Censure of those thou scornfully calls Quakers have any of them called thee Deceiver and the like I say see if it be not true that might be thus spoken unto thee for it is no Derogation to the Honour of Truth to say the Truth it self may call a Deceiver false Accuser and Reproacher by their proper names For in Matt. 23. and John 8. see Christs Language to the Hypocrites of those Days so the Error was not in Christ his calling them so that were so but in those Pharisees there calling Christ a Deceiver and Devil when he was not so nor could be and for the most Holy and Zealous Christians amongst you that thou say'st had the like Names from us I answer if any under the Name Quaker called thee or any of thy Company otherwise than they in the Light saw true or could make good they were to blame but if any in Truth have declared your Inward Condition to you though under such Tearms you ought rather to repent than to kick and spurn at it in your hard Hearts for it will be hard for you to kick against the Pricks and for Spewing you may take that to your selves whose Throat is an open Sepulchre wide opened against all that are Holy and Zealous in Christ to separate from you and witness against your Deceit And so if those thou callest Holy and Zealous Christians amongst you together with thy self be weighed in the Ballance of Truth it will appear you are as far from that State as the East is from the West But I demand how thou knowest the Saints and Martyrs were not of our Perswasion and Practice for thou dost not judge with the Light that is Pure and Spiritual as is manifest nor see with a single Eye but only judgeth with thy Evil Thoughts and False Imaginations for we say in a few words that our Mind and Practice is to believe on the Name of the Son of God that true Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and to love one another and to labour to keep a Conscience void of offence towards God and all Men And I Read that the Saints and Martyrs were of this Perswasion and Practice with us and so we have a Cloud of Witnesses both Ancient and Modern of the Truth of this our way and so if thou hast Books that tell of other manner of Saints or Martyrs I deny both them and thee in calling them Saints who are not for the Saints of God and Martyrs of Jesus are one Body in all Ages not loving their Lives to death that so they might always keep to God's manifest Truth in them without denying it before Men and this is that which the Lord God hath wrought in us poor Despised People to the Glory of his Grace in this his day that no Flesh might Glory but as it is written Let him that Gloreth Glory in the Lord who alone is worthy Qu. 7. But in thy seventh and next Query thou thinkest thou hast gotten something against us because say'st thou we use to cry against you as Hirelings and that you would Preach no longer than People put into your Mouths but now say'st thou it 's manifest that many of these are ready to lose all for the Testimony of Jesus and to Preach the Gospel freely though it be in danger of Imprisonment Answ. To which I answer and say That the Testimony of those thou scornfully callest Quakers against you stands firm and true for all these thy high swelling Words of Vanity for we know none of you Preaching freely as yet and the reason why you talk in the form you do it because you cannot keep your fat Benefices O Hypocrites What Whining and Complaining is there by you in these days for your Belly But for Preaching the Gospel you have manifested your selves to be Ignorant both of Christ and of the Gospel by denying the sufficiency of the Light which Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World John 1. 9. and then put the Letter for the Light and so sight and strive with your Brethren about your form and several Imaginations of the Letter one cries up a Bishop another a Presbyter and both of you Ignorant of the true Bishop and Elder But John Reynolds would'st not thou and thy Brethren be at the Gain from your Quarter again if Common-Prayer could be dispensed withal Oh if you be brought into such a suffering Frame How is it that we have no more of your Company in Prison Nay nay your old Heart is in you yet and ye would be sucking Lambs Blood still if you had Power and that the God of Heaven sees and will take Vengeance on you for it and that which you cannot do with your Hands you are doing with your Tongues and Pens as is manifest But I have often said
draws this and the rest of thy stumbling Consequences from thy own Imaginations not from our Words for we do not Exclude the Preaching of the Gospel from the Light nor the Light from it but say That is the true Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World one loves the Light believes it and follows it and is led to God and so saved by it sufficiently the other hates it and it is his Condemnation And this is the Gospel Preaching and this Light of Christ in every Man is the Light of the Glorious Gospel whether it be declared of to the outward Ear in Words or not but he that Preaches not this True Light Preaches another Gospel though there be not another Gospel And I say unto you all People if a seeming Angel Preach not this Gospel of Light this Grace of God which brings Salvation which hath appeared to all Men and is the Saints Teacher and Keeper he is to be accursed But whereas thou cell'st of Heathen Answer All are Heathens now and Ignorant of the True God who know nothing of the sufficiency of the Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World but thou askest in the end of that Query two very Childish Questions The first Why we exhort all Men to follow the Light within if that be sufficient I answer Because it is sufficient therefore do we Exhort all Men to follow it for that which is not sufficient is not safe to follow And so you that are so full of words and ignorant of the Sufficiency beat the Air and deceive the People keeping silly Women ever Learning and never able to bring them to the knowledge of the Truth which perfects to God all the commers thereunto Thy second Query there How could the Word of God be called a Mystery hid from Ages and Generations but now is made manifest if the Light within be sufficient And then quotes Eph. 3. 9. Col. 1. 25 26. Mat. 11. 25. I answer That it was within and sufficient when it lay hid as a Mystery till God's full time came of revealing it and therefore Christ compares it to many Powerful and Precious though hidden things and of little account to the outward view as to a Grain of Mustard-seed in the Earth to a little Leaven within much Flower to Treasure hid in the Field and Christ said to the Pharisees that God's Kingdom was to be found in Man he excludes none and those Scriptures thou sett'st down prove for this Truth and against thy roving Mind which is in the outward observings thinking to find the Kingdom there when Christ saith it cometh not that way see Luke 17. 20 21. What wilt thou conclude it was not because it lay hid What Logick is this Doth not Paul there say that the Mystery which was so hid and which he by the Spirit now Preached which was Christ in the Gentiles the Hope of Glory And Christ was Light and to this Light he warned every Man to take heed but the little Children not the Masters obey the Voice and so are led into the Understanding of the Mystery Qu. 2. In the next general Query thou askest Are not the Scriptures the Words of the Lord whose Words are they And why is the Scripture so often called the Word of God and the Word of the Lord And for this thou brings many Scriptures as Exod. 24. 4. 2. Kings 20. 26 27 28 29. Psal. 12. 6. Jer. 36. 4 6 8 11. Acts 19. 10. 2 Cor. 2. 17. 1. Thes. 1. 8. Answ. To this I say First That the Holy Scriptures were given forth by Holy Men of God as they were moved by the Holy Ghost and so they may be called the Words of God or of the Lord not that Spirit and Living Word but that those Scriptures prove what thou bringest them for to wit that the Scriptures or Writings without is there called the Word of God is not true it is said indeed in that of 2 Kings 20. 16. That Isaiah said unto Hezekiah Hear the Word of the Lord and Hezekiah said Good is the Word of the Lord and in other places of Scriptures that the Word of the Lord came to the Prophets and that in the fore-mentioned place of Acts and Corinthians and Thessalonians mention is made of the Apostles Preaching the Word of God all this is true but of Exodus and Psalms and Jeremiah mention is made of Words but what doth all this prove but only that the Word came to Holy Men this Word was God and as this Word moved in them and gave them Wisdom and Utterance they writ or spoke forth Words as a Declaration of what was in the Mind or Word of God or what God was and what though the Scriptures may be thus called The Words of the Lord or his Prophets or Apostles Acted by his Power which we never denied this is nothing to the Hypocrites who use their Tongues to say The Lord saith when he never spoke by them but make a Trade of the Scriptures for filthy Lucre and by their much pressing the Declaration to be the Word of God have quite clouded the Word if self Christ from whence true Words come from the Peoples Minds so that scarce any have any true Living Feeling after God in his Word Christ for in the beginning was the Word before all Declarations and shall be after all the Peaceable Life of all that Believe for ever So that the Lord saw it good to stir up a People in these days to be True and Living Witnesses of the Word for the stopping of the Mouths of all such as have gotten the Words as Thieves from others and so kept People in the form with themselves always Professing but never Possessing the Power which the Scripture Witness unto and so the Letter and empty Words kill'd and do kill but now the Living Spirit and Living Word being Witnessed the Scriptures is owned in its place and Resurrection to Life being felt the Crown is set upon the King's Head whose Name is called The Word of God who was and is and is to come over all God Blessed for evermore and it is considerable that the Ministers of Christ are never called Ministers of the Letter or Words but of the Word and Spirit 2 Cor. 3. and that Christ and his Apostles mentioning the Prophets Words usually called them Scripture and not The Word of God as the custom of Hypocrites is now All Flesh is Grass and all outward Sounds and Signs vanish but the Word of the Lord that endures for ever and this is that Word which by the Gospel the Power of God is Preached and by nothing else savingly which when understood People are One but not before for it is the weakness which is like the Womans speaking makes Dissention so let the Scripture have its due and the Word of God its due and all is Beautiful in its place Query 3. In thy third thou askest How shall we know whether
ordain Elders in every City with Fasting Prayer and Imposition of Hands if every Person that will may run and ordinarily Preach without any such Ordination And thou say'st you may see how Persons were sent forth to Preach in Scripture Acts. 13. 23. and 14. 23 1 Tim. 4. 14. Answ. To which I say that the purpose of God in ordaining Elders in every City as is mentioned in that Acts. 14. 23. was not that proud and covetous Men who have a little Worldly Wisdom only to talk of the Letter and wrest Scripture by should perk up and set up themselves in the place of God's Elders in God's Church But that in this Church by his Spirit in those Elders the Body might be Edified and all kept in good order amongst them through Love Mind this was the Church of God which was in God 1 Thess. 1. 1. the Body of Christ of his Flesh and of his Bone Eph. 5. 23 24. Not a Worldly People gathered in the Will of Man into a vain Form without the power not I say the Synagogue of Satan who denies Perfection and the Sufficiency of Christ's Light And that there is none knows any thing aright but by the Letter as this John Reynolds pretends is not true for the Church of God was taught of God and the Elders in this Church were not brought up at the Worlds Schools of Learning nor called of Men Master nor Hirelings nor Persecutors of the Innocent as the Presbyters of these days are but they were Holy Men of God of mean account in the World raised up meerly by God's Power out of the Heathenish and Jewish Worships to know Christs Spirit and his Anointing in them which taught them all things and they were not such as got the Magistrate to help them to great Livings and fat Benefices and compel all by his Iron Sword to come in to them but they were Sufferers under the Powers of the World as we are at this day But whereas thou speakest of every Man that is not so ordained running in his own will ordinarily to Preach thou may'st take that to thy self and your selves who never were ordained by the Holy Ghost as they were for when did the Holy Ghost in your Assemblies say as in Acts. 13. 2. Separate such and such for the work I have appointed them unto Nay nay you have run and God never sent you for you never heard his Holy Voice at any time and therefore you profit not the People at all but make them more Cunning to Dispute against the Truth than they were before they followed you But what Ordination of Man had Paul at his first going out to Preach See Gal. 1. he received not the Gospel by Man and went not to Man no not to the Apostles themselves for Ordination and Commission to Preach but immediately Preached Christ as many have done and do at this Day who go under the Reproach of the name Quaker And so God is Restoring his Church to us Primitive Purity and Power to the stopping of the Mouth and confounding the Wisdom of all Flesh whether called Pope Cardinals Bishops or Presbyters that the true Eldership and Body of Christ to God's Glory may again appear And what Rules and Orders are and shall be in this true Church is known to God and by him Manifested and to be Manifested to the Body it self and not to the World for the World must neither have the right Understanding nor Management of those things no more than they had in those Days when it was said I stand not to Mans Judgment for the Holy Anointing must be all in the Church of God for ever Qu. 10. Thy Tenth and next Query is a plain discovery of thy Folly and of thy manifest Enmity against the simple Appearance of Truth in any discovery and though thou say the Scripture is thy Rule yet by it thou canst not endure to be Ruled but plain Language it self is thy Burthen and therefore thou askest how it can be said that ever Christ or his Apostles or Patriarchs or Prophets used the words Thou and Thee when they never spake English And how can it be unlawful for us to use the word You to each other since the same words in Hebrew Greek and Latin that signifie Thou signifie You in the Singular Number also and may be Translated You as well as Thou and so it seems thou say'st 2 Sam. 15. 27. Answ John Reynolds Didst thou Read this Query twice over Or didst thou at all Consider what thou said'st in it Was either the Fear of God or Care of thy own Credit before thy Eyes when thou writest it Surely neither But thou hast judged in thy self with thy vain Thought that because thou hast used to blind thy poor Hearers and make them believe any thing for Truth thou speakest or writest therefore it will be so with others Nay nay the Day is dawned the Lord hath given his People an Eye whereby all Covers are seen through and to this Light thou hast manifested as much Nakedness and Blindness to be in thee as in the grossest of them that say Mass at Rome or read Common-Prayer in English Nay I do believe many of them would be ashamed to argue thus as thou dost to wit because Christ his Apostles Patriarchs and Prophets did not speak in the English Tongue that therefore they used not the words Thou and Thee How came the Translators to Translate their Words when they speak to a particular Person Thou and Thee and never You as may all over Scripture be easily found thou may'st as well say Christ his Apostles Patriarchs and Prophets said nothing at all that is Recorded in Scripture in the English Tongue because they spoke not English so the Lord hath catched the Wise in his own Craftiness but thou goest on and say'st the same words in Hebrew Greek and Latin that signifie Thou signifie You in the Singular Number also and may be Translated You as well as Thou which I say is altogether false for You is not at all Singular but Plural altogether and so the Translators of the Bible knew and therefore never Translated their Singular Term in the forraign Language to you in English but Thou and Thee as is before mentioned and for that place in 2 Sam. 15. 27 thou set'st down and says it seems that You is used to a singular there it shames thee for if envy to the Truth had not Blinded thee thou mightest 〈…〉 that the King speaking to Zadock and saying Your Sons and you speaks not of Zadock and his Son but of Zadock and Abiathar and their Sons as the very words next after and in Verse 29. plainly shew and so here thou hast committed that great Error thy self that thy Generation use to Charge falsly upon us to wit in taking a piece of a Verse that seems to make for thy purpose and leaves out the rest that shews fully the Sense Qu. 11. Thy Eleventh and next Query is
Eatings and Drinkings are Dead whil'st you Live And so of you that would keep People always in the Figures and Signs saying The coming of Christ spoken of 1 Cor. 11. 26. is never to be witnessed here I demand Whether that Cup which the Apostle said The Cup of Blessing which we Bless is it not the Communion of the Blood of Christ And the Bread which we Break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ For we being many are one Body and one Bread for we are all Partakers of that one Bread 1 Cor. 10. 15 16 17. I say Whether was this outward Bread and Wine yea or nay Qu. 19. And in the next Query thou comest over with these things again saying How can those Persons be Faithful to Christ Jesus and Obedient to his Gospel that refuse to Pray and Sing Psalms and Baptize with Water and receive the Lord's Supper I answer and say If any disobey God in any thing he commands them unto whether in any of these things or in any other they are not Faithful to Christ and his Gospel but those People thou here secretly shoots at are taught to obey God in all his Requirings and so to Glorifie him in their Bodies and Spirits which are his and so are we clear before the Lord from this thy Charge and also from that which follows for we Revile none much less those that in Conscience of their Duty to God observe them or any thing else And so the Reviler must lodge in thine own Bed who fears not to Revile and speak Evil of such in these days as in Conscience to their known Duty to God Worship him in Spirit and in Truth But you whose Fear towards God is taught by the Precepts of Men in vain is all your Worship for I Testifie for the Lord that whatever you do though it had the very Form of the Saints Practice of old which yours have not and not led thereinto by the Motion of the Eternal and Infallible Spirit of Life it is nothing but the Precepts of Men and Will-worship and no better than Offering Swines Blood or cutting off a Dogs Neck and for the endeavouring to keep up your Custom of Praying and Singing in mixt Congregations from the Example of Jews or them that follow Christ I say your Hypocritical Praying and Singing is good no where but Rejected of God and I see thy Pâ—ide all along that would be comparing your Congregations to those that followed Christ Nay nay for though there was One Devil yet there was Eleven Saints but when you are searched scarce One of many Twelves that hath any true Fear of God before their Eye is to be found amongst you Qu. 20 And whereas in thy last Query thou askest Whether those Persons that have Experienced the Operation of the Spirit of God in the Gospels Preaching and Administrations Convincing their Consciences Melting the Hearts Humbling the Spirits and Turning them from Darkness to Light and have afterwards Tasted much Sweetness and have felt Soul-Ravishing Comforts in the Enjoyment of God in Ordinances have not the Witness in themselves that God doth own these and Bless these Priviledges to them I answer Yea it is thus with all that in Truth have the Witness in themselves that God doth own these and Bless these Priviledges to them But those People that go under the Name Quakers have to the Praise of God's free Love the Witness in themselves of such Fruits as these amongst them from the Virtue of the Everlasting Gospel and its Administration And therefore we can Witness that John Reynolds and all such as Condemn this Ministry and Work of God amongst us as Heresie or so are Deceivers and that they are Strangers to Spiritual Communion with God whatever in words they may Boast who cannot meet with and enjoy God where we to his Immortal Praise be it in Truth spoken do experience that loving Kindness and Goodness which is better than Life it self And therefore how long may this John Reynolds or any other Seducer or painted Sepulchre talk before ever they can perswade these whom the Lord hath so loved not to believe their own Spiritual Senses and Experiencies But to conclude Whereas this John Reynolds in his high swelling Words of his last Query and the 12 th boasts much of his own and his Fellows Experiencies of Spiritual things I refer the Reader to the rest of his Queries and especially the 3 5 8 10 11 14 15 16 and to the answers to them all and to weigh all in the Ballance of Just Judgment and it will appear to him beyond words what may be Judged of them and us Thomas Taylor 1662 1662 1662. 1670
Ignorance and Error REPROVED BEING AN ANSWER TO SOME QUERIES That one JOHN REYNOLDS Wrote to Two of the People called QUAKERS By THOMAS TAYLOR LONDON Printed and Sold by T. Sowle next Door to the Meeting-house in White-Hart-Court in Gracious-street and at the Bible in Leaden-hall-street near the Market 1697. THE EPISTLE TO THE READER WHEN the Lord God of Eternal Power began by his Spirit to move in these Nations in the late times of Trouble and there was an Opening in the times for the Zeal of the Heart to work out it self then every one betook themselves to that Fellowship and People that agreed most with the Working Principle that was in them and so there came a distinguishing and knowledge of those seeking Souls according to some thing most obvious to the Eye of the World and so they called some by the name of Presbyterians some Independent and the like For as for those called Prelatical they were not of such a pressing Nature as to seek forward much after the Spiritual Kingdom but rather Breathed after their Old Form how they might come to this again without the former Troubles to lye down in that But those called Presbyterian or mixed Independent in answer to whose Queries or one of them the ensuing sheets are they seemed so Zealous while the Worlds Power countenanced them as though they would have taken Heaven as it were by force and not only so but even of late also since the Second Charles came in and they began to be put out of their high Places by some old Incumbent as they call them or upon some other Account as Zealor so yet did some of them keep up their Custom of Preaching amongst People in publick where they could get place or audience in so much that the boasting Spirit began to get up in some of them as in this John Reynolds as though nothing should stop their passage and so would have all accounted Liars that had said to the Contrary But behold the Wisdom if God in suffering things so to come to pass that all things might be fully manifest And so an Act of Parliament must come out against them unless they will Conform And then lo behold this shower of Rain forces in their tender Heads as not being able to endure the sharpness of the Storm for want of the true Spiritual Armour For Words and Profession could never secure any from the Fiery Trials that are still ordered in the Wisdom of God for the manifesting of every Seed So if these ensuing answers may be serviceable unto any of these Zealous Hearts to provoke them to a further search of themselves and be a means now when they are something low to give them a sight of any thing wherein they have Sined against God and Erred from his way of Life and so to move them to Repentance it will be well and a gladding of my Heart and of my Brethren who cannot but desire and endeavour not only theirs but even the good of all Men yea of them that either in times past have or at this day do shew the greatest Enmity against us for we know they none of them understand aright the Innocency of our Hearts to them and the Fear and Love of our Souls to God and his Truth for if they did how could they forbear to Love us But Glory to God for ever that bath given us not only to believe but even as need is to suffer for his Name and Truths sake and to pass by great Offences done to us which in Love to the Soul we could desire might be also the Portion of all that name Truth Rests God Servant Thomas Taylor Ignorance and Error REPROVED c. JOHN REYNOLDS A Paper of Queries coming to my hand as seems from thee to John Finch and John Payton of Dudly and weighing it well I could not but in obedience to God write something to it not so much for the use of these two young men who by the Light that God hath raised in them do see thy deceit therein as for the sake of some simple people who are as yet admirers of thee and deceived by thee and such like who under a pretence of zeal for the letter of Scripture and things you have set up in your wills under the name of Ordinances not knowing nor considering that Christ is come the end of all things to them that believe Though you may sometimes unwillingly light on Scriptures that speaks the thing and so if by what here may be said the Truth may more appear and their simple Souls be helped God will be Glorified and that will be Reward sufficient But before the Queries themselves be answered something may be said to that which goes before them in that Paper and from that I have noted the nature of thy Fawning Flattering Self-contradicting and Confused Spirit but to hide that from the Light thou backs thy sayings with quotations of Scripture as though mentioning what the Holy Men of God spoke by the true Spirit could prove that to be a true Spirit which acts in thee Nay nay the day is dawned Praised be God and the Sheepskin no longer can hide the Wolves from being seen of the Lambs of Christ for such hear Christs Voice and follow him and so are Children of the Light but the Stranger they will not follow though he may Paint him self over never so cunningly with words but all your fair words in the beginning of your work ye Fair-sayers whether in Pulpit or in Press is but to make way for your sting that follows for you resemble the Soorpion whose sting is in his Tail mentioned in Revelations for the end of all thy fair words here is but to draw these young men from the simplicity that is in Christ and his Light that Lighteth every man that cometh into the World for the great Malice of thy Heart is against the sufficiency of Christs Light in every man and so would have something to be added to it from without that so thou may'st bring in thy own traditions but what condition shall one gather by thy words these two Men John Finch and John Payton were in at the writing of these Queries to them for one while thou seemest to apply Scriptures respecting the conditions of the unbelieving Jews to them and another while thou applies those that respect the condition of pretty well-grown Christians But however the sum of all is to perswade them from following the Light of Christ in them as not being sufficient and so thy love is not testified unto them in Deed and in Truth as thou say'st it is but in meer Hypocrisie and Deceit as may further appear But what is that Soul enlightning Commandment Psalm 29. 8. Whereby thou seemest to desire they may be enlightned Is it this letter without or the Light of Christ within If thou say the letter as thou must say or else thwarts the whole current of thy Doctrine and then all
the Spirit that speaks in us be the Spirit of God or an evil Spirit but by trying them by the Scriptures And for this thou bringest 1 John 4. 1. Isa. 8. 19 20. Acts 17. 11. John 5. 39. then thou replies and as it were says If you say we know the Spirit to be of God because it convinceth of Sin then I ask how do you know that to be Sin but by the Scripture For this thou bringest 1 John 3. 4. Sin is a Transgression of the Law and afterwards says If we say that Spirit tells us it 's of God or that we know it but by its Fruit how do we know it not to be a lying Spirit or how do we know the Fruits of the Spirit but by Scripture Answ. Now I say by all this it plainly appears that thou art no Gospel-Minister no Minister of the Spirit of God at all but art a meer talker of the Letter and Law not knowing what it saith nor whereof it affirmeth for doth not the next Covenant run thus I will put my Law in their Hearts and in their Minds will I write it Jer. 31. 31 and Heb. 8. 8. and the Apostle that said unto his Brethren Try the Spirits in that place 1 John 4. 1. did not say you have a writing without by which you know all things but you have an Anointing from the Holy One and this abides in you and by this they know all things 1 John 2. 20 27. according to what Paul in 1 Cor. 2. 15 16. saith The Spiritual Man judgeth or discerneth all things but is judged or discerned of none for the Natural Man knows nothing aright though he may have all the Scriptures to talk of without him and though he may cry up in appearance even as Isaiah said to the Law and to the Testimony yet he never goes to the Law or Testimony at all for the Law is Spiritual and Inward and the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophesie as saith Scripture Declaration and by that Spiritual Law Paul came to the knowledge of his Sin to Humiliation but while he was but a Professor of the Law in the Letter he was alive without Law but when the Commandment in Spirit came to be felt nigh in the Heart then Sin Revived and he Died And so will John Reynolds dye when the Law indeed he comes to feel but he is yet alive without Law and from that Ground comes all these Queries of his to stop if possible the Holy Seed from coming out of Egypt but the Lord will break all Bonds for his Elect sake so that in a few words take away from thIs John Reynolds the Letter and by his own words he is as blind as a Beetle for he Questions how a Man can either know the true Spirit or Sin or the Works or Fruits of either good Spirit or bad but by the Letter so that his Eye is in the outward Book and so no Letter no Preacher For John Reynolds did the Apostles hold sorth a Letter without them to be an Eye to the World Nay nay they were to turn the People to the Light of Christ within them that thereby they might see the Light out of all Darkness and false Worships For in thy Light saith David we shall see Light O the Riches of the Grace of God that hath deliverâ— John Fince and John Payton from this Blind Guide John Reynolds whose Eye within is yet shut by the god of the World 2 Cor. 4. 3 4. Qu. 4. Thou Queriest whether the Saints in your times are more perfect than Saints in Scripture times And the rest of this Query is to plead for Sin and against sinless Perfection and in the Conclusion of it thou say'st we cannot shew you one Man that ever attained it Answ. Yea to this I say Through the Lord's great Love we are able to hold forth to thee and all the World one perfect Man yea such a One in whose Mouth there was and is no Guil who did and doth good and sinned not nor doth sin who was in a sinless Perfection and of such a Man will we glory not of Self nor of Flesh but in him who is made unto us of God Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption who is more perfect than Thousands under the Law were Go to then to stop all Mouths the gospel-Gospel-day is Witnessed Praised be the Lord and in Perfection of Beauty do true Believers now Worship and the Righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in such who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit so John Reynolds to thee and thy Company I say Arise stand up from the Dead come out of your own times where there is none perfect for your times pass away into nothing but for Scripture times that 's large it is not as thou would'st Infinuate ended yet for the Scripture is the Lord daily fulfilling and will do it until time shall be no more which he that hath an Ear to hear â—â—t him hear and not only they but a Hundred Forty Four Thousand sinless perfect Ones are mentioned Rev. 14. 25. with many more see also Chap. 7. Vers. 9. 14. an Innunerable Number Qu. 5. And for thy fifth Query where thou say'st If those that are called Quakers esteem themselves the only true Christians in the World then would I know where hath been their Church this 1600 Years Answ. To this I say here thou manifests thy self again what stumbling is here in thy dark Mind This is like the Papists Arguments to Protestants but to this may be easily answered that if it be manifest to the Conscience of any as Praised be God it is to many that we are of God such a one will never ask such a Question as this But now to you who cannot own the Light in your Consciences we cannot be manifest because the World knows us not and then ask where hath your Church been I say it hath been ever where it is at this day to wit the Church which is in God and Christ which when thou comest to the Light of Christ within thee then thou wilt see but till then we must be content to lye hid from thee and all Dark Minds and so to bear Christ's Reproach but to all my dear Brethren in Christ I say Behold what manner of Love the Father hath bestowed on us that we should be called the Sons of God Fellow-Citizens in the Heavenly Jerusalem with all the Church of God First-born of God whose Names are written in Heaven therefore the World knows us not because it knew not our Head first 1 John 3. Heb. 12. But as for thy telling of Esteeming Self and the name Quaker and the like thou may'st take those words in again from whence they came for Self and Names of Mens giving we deny and Glory in the Cross of Christ where the Name of God is known and as for the rest of thy Queries which tell of our unableness to give a Proof
if you could Preach freely that is without a set or forced maintenance in the state where you are that would not at all commend you to God or his People For you have run and God never sent you and therefore you remain so ignorant of him and profit not them that follow you for when did Christ bid you go to the Universities of the World to learn him there And when did he bid you go to such a place and such a place and there sit down and Eat the Fat and Cloath with the Wooll and Preach the Thoughts of your vain Hearts as you have done and would do and be guarded by the Magistrates Power that none should speak to you in your high Places nor going nor coming from thence O call to mind the day of your fulness and of your Pride the same measme you mete to others is God measuring to you you must be broken to pieces because you turn not to the Lord for all this And to the despised thing the Light in your Conscience you must come and how before it as others have done before you be healed and if it give you a word to speak you may speak it otherwise you must be silent or you perish The Lord is arisen and so if indeed you can kiss his Rod you may find Mercy but if you still go on justifying your selves in his sight you shall certainly moulder to nothing the Lord hath said it who is daily gathering his Lambs out of the Mouths of all Devourers Glory to his Name for ever But what Testimony of Jesus can you either give or suffer for who have so Vilified and Reproached the Spirit of Prophesie in Sons and Daughters in Servants and Handmaids in these Days For the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophesie And now all People I shall lay before you a little more the Condition of this John Reynolds and such like boasting Men who now thus cry up themselves for suffering Ministers of Christ as to this particular thing In the former times before the Wars when the Bishops had Rule there were some such that could not conform to all the Fooleries of those Days and so could not enjoy their fat Benefices though they loved them well enough and so instead of suffering in Old-England fled into New-England to avoid the Cross and so in process of time it came to pass that they got the Magistrates on their side there and then their Old Wolfish Hearts being still in them they fell on Persecuting the Servants of God that came amongst them to witness to Truth insomuch that of late years they have sucked the Blood of several of our Dear Members in Christ Three they hanged on a Tree cut the Ears of others Tortur'd the Bodies of many with cruel Whippings spoiled the Goods of many and Banished others for no other thing but for owning the Truth as it is in Jesus and meeting to wait upon him Qu. 8. The Eighth and next Query is such a vain and empty one that the very setting of it down will be in great measure an answer to it and it is this If there be no honest Men in the World that are not Quakers then is it not certain that no honest Men ever turned Quakers Then is it not certain that none but the Wicked ever turned from us and then where is our shame Again if all are Graceless Persons that are not Quakers then how can any Man turn Quaker if he will not first acknowledge himself a Wicked and Graceless Wretch Answ. O Crooked Twining Twisting Serpent How Cunning and Crafty wouldst thou here appear in thy vain Philosophy and false Science to cast a Mist before the Eyes of the Simple Yet Praised be the Lord the least Child of Light sees thee well and the Seed of the Woman shall bruise thy Head and thou shalt not proceed far but thy Folly shall be manifest to all as the Sorceries of Jannes and Jambres thy Fathers were for the Lord is already at work the second time to deliver his Israel out of Egypt and no Weapon formed against his Seed shall ever prosper but the Horse and his Rider shall fall and the Beast and False Prophet shall be taken alive and cast into the Pit and Everlasting praises shall be Sung to the Lord God Almighty by the Lambs of his Holy Fold as it is in Zion this day But let us see how this reaoning of thine would have helped the Jews and the Gentiles in the first times of the Gospel against the Christians and so setting down thy words for them only instead of Quaker putting in the word Christian thus If there are no honest Men in the World that are not Christians then is it not certain that no honest Man ever turned Christian and if so where is their Glorying And if all are wicked that are not Christians then is it not certain that none but the Wicked did ever turn from us and where is our Shame Again If all are Graceless persons that are not Christians then is it not certain that none but the Wicked did ever turn from us then where is our Shame Would this have been good Reasoning either to have disproved the Christians Doctrine withal or to have kept the unbelieving Jews and Gentiles in a safe Condition where they stood Nay all must bow to the Son of God in his rising and going forth for his going forth is prepared as the Sun in the Morning who rejoyceth as a Gyant to run his Course and to this Just One must every Knee bow and Tongue confess for his Way is in his Light Shining more and more until it be high Noon and perfect Day And the Gentiles though as honest as Cornelius Acts 10. and the Jew though as blameless concerning the Law as Paul in his first state was Phil. 3. must bow to him Yea further Let all the Angels of God Worship him But as for the Worlds Inhabitants both Honest and Wicked we know that the whole World lieth in Wickedness And so before you turn such Christians as quake and tremble at God's Word and work out their Salvation in Fear and Trembling you must be content to own your selves to be little less than Dishonest Wicked and Graceless Wretches though into the Truth Sinful Flesh and Blood cannot enter and though you will not now own the Grace of God to be your Teacher and so in that respect may be called Graceless yet you will one day know that the Grace of God which brings Salvation and would have taught you did appear unto you all and so God will be clear of all your Blood and your Destruction will be of your selves and so because you have not received this manifest Truth the Grace of God to be your Teacher therefore me you given up to believe Lies as is manifest Qu. 9. Thy Ninth and next Question is about Ordination and then Queries To what purpose did the Apostles Evangelists and Presbyters
denied it as nothing in comparison of the All-sufficiency of the Grace of God and the Word thereof to which only at best he was but a Servant But if it could be manifest that any under or amongst you were Convinced of the Evil of their Ways in some measure and so in their Dark Minds set upon a seeking after the unknown God which is the most can be found amongst you and that rarely neither this is no warrant either for them to stay with you who are Ignorant of the Way out of Sin unto God neither is it any proof for you to be Gospel-Ministers nor your Ministry to be a Gospel-Ministry For the Gospel-Ministry is not only Convincing but Converting and Perfecting Eph. 4. 11 12 13. which work ye have utterly denied and so shut out your selves for ever from the Gospel-Ministry and amongst the Priests of the Letter Law at best must you be reckoned which made nothing Perfect and hence it is that you are such bitter Enemies to the Spiritual Ministration or New Covenant mentioned Rev. 8. And such earnest Contenders for the outward Shadows outward Law Tythes Temples Days Priests c. as is now every where found But for the True Power and Gospel-Ministration it is risen above all your Languages and Tongues and hath darkened the Glory of all your Fleshly Forms and Likenesses And the Babes of God are in Obedience to God turned and turning from you unto this his Power that perfects to God for ever And Pharoah and all his Host will not now be able to hinder Praises to the Lord God for ever Qu. 13. In this next Query thou goest on seeking false Covers to hide thine and your Nakedness asking How can the Quakers Condemn your Congregations because of some Wicked Unprofitable Hearers when Christ himself say'st thou did not Convert all his Hearers And for this thou bringest Mat. 11. 20. and Mat. 23. 37. and Isa. 49. 4. I say all this will not cover your Nakedness Oh ye Teachers nor your Congregations for what have you to do to compare your selves with Christ and his Holy Prophets You that deny the Immediate Revelations and Teachings of God's Infallible Spirit in these Days and instead thereof set up Schools of Humane Learning to make Ministers by O Hypocrites When will you give over perverting the right Ways of the Lord and leading the Blind into the Ditch You that love to be called of Men Master Greetings in the Market uppermost Rooms at Feasts chief Places in the Synagogues as the Pharisees did all which Christ dis-allowed What have you to do to compare your selves with Christ and his Prophets They are not Hirelings and Fighters and Pleaders for the Worlds Gain as you are And so tho' all that heard the outward Declaration or Sound of Christ or his Prophets Words were not Converted yet that makes nothing for you who have only a Sound and so Convert none to God But as I said before beget them into your own Images making them more able to Dispute against the Life of Truth than some others and so greater will be your Condemnation But now your Sheeps-Cloathing being pull'd off the Lord will be Glorified in his Power in the Conversion of many to himself without you For he hath rejected your Confidence and laid waste your Mountain and the Mountain of the Lords House is on the top of all your Mountains in this great Day of the Lord wherein in all the Children of the Lord are taught of the Lord and walk only in his Light which comprehends and teaches to avoid all the cunning crafty Ways of the Serpent and now not in your Congregations but in that Holy Assembly is the Swords beaten into Plow-shares and the Spears into Pruning Hooks and no War any more learned but under the Vine and Fig-tree all sit eating their pleasant Fruits and taking the Cup of Salvation and both Praying unto and Praising the Name of the Lord. But thou say'st we have Drunkards Fornicators c. among us as well as you and that they are with us at our Prayers if we have any and that they are not so severely dealt withal as yours are for thou say'st some of yours cast them out which we do not Answ. Yea thou false Accuser such are cast out from us and from the Church of God and with us they can neither Eat nor Pray but with such as are Ignorant of Christ and the Sufficiency of his Light and know no Light nor Teacher but a Letter without as thou hast manifested in thy Queries they may both Eat and Preach and Pray and when you cast out Drunkards and Fornicators from amongst you you must cast out your selves for in that Nature you and all Hypocrites are and so some of you are Drunk with Wine and strong Drink and some with the Cup of the great Whore some in the outward Fronications others in the inward and some in both so that your Tables are full of Vomit and every Bed defiled amongst you And for the outward Drunkards and Harlots and such like though we cannot but reprove and cast them out in that State yet this we say of them that they may sooner enter into the Kingdom of God than you that judge your selves free and are not for you are so Painted and Conceited that it is easier for a Camel to go through the eye of Needle than for you to enter in and this makes your Wound more Uncureable for you neither enter in your selves nor suffer others And for those words in thy Parenthesis whereby thou questionest Whether we have any Prayer amongst us shows thee to be a great stranger to us and our Practice for Prayer with the Spirit and with Understanding we allow and are taught to practice and say with the Apostle Pray continually but the wicked Hypocrites the Lord rejects whose Prayers to God are Abomination and so it would have become thee to have said less of us and to have judged more soberly and moderately of us until thou hast known us better than thou hast done for thou hast little knowledge of us it seems by coming into our Assemblies but only judgest by Here-say and false Reports which brings thee under Condemnation and Shame when the Light now searcheth all things but your Ways and Practices are well known to such as are now come from amongst you and so in that they cannot be deceived And now John Reynolds to proceed I see much of the Wisdom of God in bringing thee forth thus to manifest thy self in thy Queries and the next three Queries that follow do with those already mentioned fully manifest thy great Ignorance of the Reformation of things brought to pass in Christ for the Law had but a Shadow of the good things and yet thou stickest not to plead for it and so thou hadst need learn the first Principles of the Christian Religion which thou remainest Ignorant of before thou be a Christian thy self much more seeing thou takest
upon thee to be Teacher of others but to set down thy Queries themselves or so much of them as is the substance of the whole Qu. 14. And thy fourteenth Query is Had not the Saints in Scripture-times their set places for publick Worship as well as we Had they not their Temple 1 Chron. 6. which Christ calls his Fathers House of Prayer and whips the Buyers and Sellers out of it c. Answ. To which I answer You have indeed an outward Temple or House made with Hands to Worship in of your own devizeing the Old Popish Mass-house and so cannot be called the Fathers House of Prayer so well as the Jews was for the Temple at Jerusalem was made by God's Appointment for the outward Circumcission to Worship in during the Law as a Figure of Christ's Body to be Magnified and therefore he whipt Buyers and Sellers then out of the Figure as he doth now out of the Substance but you have not only the Enemies Nature in you but you have brought forth his Work into open view in your outward Temples also which were never Built by God's Command and so there is Buying and Selling amongst you as was amongst them as every Eye seeth For there you Men made Priests sell Words the Words out of dead Books to the People and they give you their Money Glebe-land and Tythes for them O filthy Merchandize The Lord hath shaken his Hand at your dishonest Gain and is whipping out such Merchants by his Powerful Truth out of his House and your dead Works which you sell at so dear a Rate in your Stone-houses which you call Churches shall no Child of Light ever buy of you For the true Bread of God his free Gift is now witnessed Praises for ever One sort of Merchant Priests sell their Sermons and Mass to the People for Money another sort their Common-Prayer and Sermons and the third their Sermons and Directory And thou John Reynolds pleadest also for Synagogues and Pulpits and when thou hast set down Scriptures that tell of the Jewish Temple Synagogues and Pulpit thou askest if Christ and his Apostles did not report to these places to instruct the People To which I answer First That whilst the Jewish People stood Christ and his Apostles did sometimes go into their Temple and Synagogues to Preach the Gospel of the Kingdom and so an end of those things and to bring them out of these things which they and you so much dote on and plead for but they did never Command Christians to Build such amongst them but told them Their Bodies were the Temples of God 1 Cor. 3. and that those that abide in the Faith were the House of God Heb. 2. And these Christians never so confined themselves or others to any such place for the Exercise of their Conscience in the Worship of God but met as the Lord Jesus and his Apostles did much less did they stir up the Magistrate and drive the Jews out of their Temple and Synagogues and the Gentiles out of theirs that so they might creep into their Houses and under another Form of Worship live upon the Jewish Priests Tythes Offerings c. nor upon the Maintenance of the Idolatrous Priests of Diana and the like Idols as you Priests to the shame of your Profession have done and do at this day What have you driven the Papists out of their Mass-houses and do live upon their Priests Maintenance of Tythes Glebe-lands Smoke-mony Garden-pence Handmony and the rest of their Foolish things What cannot a Man be Born Marry Live nor Die but you must have Mony for it O Horrible and Filthy thing stop your Mouths for ever for your Folly is manifest to all and you can proceed no further And so you Priests of the last Order called Presbyters did not you drive out the Prelates out of their Houses which they had gotten from the Papists and there you sate down Feeding upon the Spoil of the People as your Fathers had done and now think much that you are driven out again And thus you fight with and drive out one another like wild Beasts striving each of you to get Power of others to be great in the Earth and do what you will in your fat Pastures But as I said the Lord is arisen to whip you all out and to pull down your Nests and to restore all things to their Primitive Purity as in the beginning before the Temples Tythes Pulpits and such things were Secondly I consider that though I read that Christ and his Apostles went amongst the People in their Temple and Synagogues as we do at this day to Preach the end of these things and so to bring People to the Word that was in the Beginning before all things that the Worship might be in Spirit and Truth as it ought to be John 4. Yet I never read that either Christ or his Apostles got up into their Pulpit nor ever Commanded his to perk up into a Pulpit of Wood over the People as a Master of a Synagogue to tell his Thoughts of the Letter as you do For though Ezra a Priest of the Law had his Pulpit or Tower of Wood to Read or Expound the Letter in in those days before the Life was manifest yet now the Life Christ Jesus is arisen whose Voice in the Heart and in all places is to be heard without a Pulpit and without Mony and without Price and the Apostles Preached this Gospel in Towns and Countries where neither Temple Synagogue nor Pulpit was but Tumults rather and so the Gospel is not a thing that will set up its Servants in Worldly Honour but indeed the contrary which he that hath an Ear may hear but the Wicked is so Proud in Heart that neither Preacher nor Professor amongst them will stoop to the simplicity of it The next thing Considerable in this Query is thy twisting and striving to keep up the Honour of the old Mass-house however if it be but a Name though it want the Nature yet if thou canst save that thou thinkest better that than nothing and say'st What though the Saints of God are called the Church yet that cannot hinder the House where the Church meets from being called a Church A Profound Reasoning What is this the Fruit of your cried up Vniversities What must every Place where any People meet be called by the Name of that People What Logick is this Surely the Wisdom of the World makes haste into its Nothing again God is utterly Confounding it Do you call the place where the Parliament or Privy Council sit the Parliament or Privy Council Do you call a Barn or such a moon place where the Saints of God now a-days often meet by the Name of a Church If we should Reason for the places where we meet as you do for yours surely you would Laugh at us and might then well call us filly Women and Seducers indeed But to go on thou bringest a Scripture as though
Imaginations when you Pray as the Hyportes do lest Satan Transformed carry you about and fill you with the Wind of his Frothy Spirit making you believe you Pray with Gods Spirit when it is his own lying Spirit as his Custom is amongst you to work Qu. 16. So thou having spent thy Strength in Pleading for your Set-Places and Times in Imitation of the Jews thou goest in this Query endeavouring to prove your Work on these times in those places from the likeness of them to theirs then And thus as you do so do the Papists for their Customs for they Reason as thou do'st For had not the Jews say they a Temple and Synagogues So we Had not they One High Priest So we who is called a Pope had not they an Altar and Sacrifice outward So we Had not they their Set-Fasts and Musick in their Temples and Quiristers and Tythes and Offerings and such things And so have we say they So saith John Reynold here in this present Sixteenth Query Had not the Saints in former Times the Scriptures Read in their Congregations Acts 15. 21. Luke 4. 16. and sometimes Expounded Neh. 8. 7 8. and Prayed there Verse 6. and Singing David's Psalms there 1 Chron. 16. 7. c. and Blessing the People in the Name of the Lord Num. 6. 23. c. Well this was so under the Law but what wilt thou infer from this that you may continue the Customs of the Jews in such things that follows not unless you will deny the Ascension of Christ Eph. 4. from 8. to 17. for the Jews were under the Law and so they had a Worldly Sanctuary and a Worldly Service with divers Ordinances of that Nature until the time of Reformation by Christ raised up and come again in Spirit and then says God Behold I make all things New and so he that is in Christ is a New Creature Old things passed away all things become New New Temple New Offerings and Service New Prayers Singings Preachings which no Worldly Man can get into but all with the Holy Spirit and with Understanding But thou bringest several places out of the Writings of the Apostles and Luke as in Acts Corinthians and Hebrews to prove that the Apostles and Saints use Praying Preaching Psalms and Blessing amongst them Yea but what is that to you that deny that Infallible Spirit of God to be Head in you that guided them and so get the Worlds Wisdom Acts and Helps instead thereof to make you Ministers and Saints by You have indeed in some things a Form of their Works but the Power being found not only wanting amongst you but denied by you the Children of Light are necessitated to turn away from you and thus to witness against you But thou say'st Christ did not only Read the Letter in the Jews Synagogues but also Preached from a Text of it To which I answer For his Reading he did upon account of being a Jew to fulfil all that Righteousness of the Law in his day till his Offering up but that he Preached from a Text as you Priests do I utterly deny For his doing at that time was only this He being Reading in the Prophet as is mentioned in that Fourth of Luke and in providence meeting with that place which said The Spirit of the Lord is upon me for he hath Anointed me to Preach the Gospel he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted c. And the Spirit of the Lord arising in him in Life and Power and Witnessing in him to the fulfilling of that Scripture in himself He was overcome with Love and Glory and so closed the Book and gave it again to the Servant and sate down and so the Eyes of the People were sasiened on him through Admiration and Ravishments of Love and Spirit that was upon him and so as that Living Spirit gave him Utterance in the Silence of all Flesh he spoke to them and Preached in many Gracious Words the fulfilling of that Scripture in the Ears of that Day And this was Christs doing there But O you poor naked Teachers of England c. What have you to do to boast of this Example for warranting your Practice There was no choosing a Verse in a Chapter in the Will of Man which you think you can raise most words from and so consult with your own Imaginations and old rusty Books how you may raise an Hours Discourse from it and so divine to please the itching Ears of Carnal Professors that they may give you outward Honour Glebe-lands Tythes Augmentations Easter-Reckonings and the like to please your Lusts and if need be to Fight for you and lay their Sword and Law upon all that will not hold you up and Cry Peace to you O Hypocrites How have you deceived the poor People with your long wrestings of Scriptures But now that the Spirit of Truth is come it is leading us into all Truth without your help Praised be the Lord for ever And so for Christ his Expounding out of Moses and the Prophets and opening the Understanding of the Disciples to know the Scripture mentioned Luke 24. And Paul's Expounding and Testifying of the Kingdom of God and Perswading the Jews concerning Jesus both out of the Law of Moses and out of the Prophets mentioned Acts 28. is nothing to you who now-a-days instead of Testifying to the Kingdom of God and opening the Understanding to know Scriptures and the Light of the World which they witnessed unto do Testifie of this World Pleading for your Carnal Ordinances Set Places Set Times Bowing one to another and the like as is manifest in these Queries and so instead of opening shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against Men and so with those of old will neither enter into the Kingdom of God your selves nor suffer others but are under the Wo as you and the People may Read all along in Mat. 23. And for Singing of Psalms it doth not say that the Saints Sung the very words of David and no other and that in Rhime and Meeter in Worldly Tunes after Mens Inventions or with Organs or so but they Sing as the Spirit gave them utterance in plain words as thou may'st Read in Acts. 4. 24. c. Which thou bringest for Singing if that may be called Singing this was a Song by the Persecuted not the Persecutors which in the Persecuted Church of God at this day is often Sung worthy Consideration but a shame for all Persecuting Priests and Professers to take these words into their Mouths And the same Apostle in that place 1 Cor. 14. 26. that saith every one hath a Psalm saith I will Sing with the Spirit and with Vnderstanding so then a Psalm was a Gift of the Spirit spoken forth from the Understanding to the Edifying of the Hearer and they were to be silent when that Gift was Exercised as well as others but your Confused Noises and Temple-songs is but as Howling in God's Ears and his Childrens Ears in this