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A88151 A battell with a vvaspes nest, or, A reply to an angry and railing pamphlet, written by Master Joseph Heming, called Judas excommunicated, or A vindication of the communion of saints &c. wherein his arguments are answered, his abuses whipt and stript, the question whether Judas received the sacrament debated, and the affirmative proved ... Lightfoot, Peter, 17th cent. 1649 (1649) Wing L2073; ESTC R42276 44,133 53

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verse 27 28 29 of that Chapter where when Iudas had received the sop and Satan and Iesus said to him What thou doest doe quickly Some of the Disciples thought because Iudas had the bag that Iesus had said unto him buy those things that we have need of against the feast Now if they had things to buy against the feast the feast was not yet come The answer that Master Heming returns to this Argument is first thus Perhaps Christ did not eat the Paschall Lamb upon the same day the Jewes did c. And then the feast the Disciples dreamed of might very well be the Iewes Passeover kept a day after I could speak more for proof of this from Iohn 18.21 and 19.14 then ever Mr. Lightfoot will be able to answer Reply Perhaps the Evangelists are not to be believed because they speak contrary to Master Hemings humour for they tell you as plain as plaine can bee that Christ did eat the Paschall Lamb upon the same day that the Iewes did See Matth. 26.17 Mark 14.12 Luk. 27.7.8 And yet he puts a perhaps upon it to squeeze out something to his purpose Sure the man did not know that the Paschall Lambes were slaine by the Priests at the Altar and the blood sprinkled there and they slaine and the blood sprinkled in the name of a Paschall and sure he did not know how high a transgression it was reputed by the Iewes to eat the Passeover on a wrong day had he known and weighed these things perhaps he would find it a harder businesse for Christ to eat the Passeover a day before the Iewes then he dreamed of But why do I talk of such things as these to him when he puts a perhaps upon so plaine Texts of the Evangelists As for that tiring work that he would set me upon out of John 18.28 and 19.14 I will tell him this before hand that if I can make nothing of those places I will deny mine own skill judgement and opinion before I will deny the plaine text of the Evangelists as he doth But I need not to eat mine assertion for any thing that those places hold out against it Hee is it but little acquainted with Scripture or with the Iewes customes about the Passeover that knowes not that there were Passeover Bullocks and other Peace-offerings to be eaten in the week of the Feast as well as the Lamb was upon its day 2. Chron. 30.21.24 and 35 7 8. And that these are called the Passeover as well as the Lambe Deut. 16.2 compared with Exod. 12.5 And to take up these Texts which in Master Hemings conception will bee everlasting tiring irons to me in Iohn 18.28 The Iewes went not into Pilates judgement Hall lest they should be defiled but that they might eat the Pass●over that is but that they might eat the solemne Peace-offerings that were to be eaten at the Passeover and which are called the Passeover and that in Chapter 19.14 it was the preparation of the Passeover and about the sixth houre that is it was the day in which they prepared these Paschall bullocks and Peace offerings for their holy diet being the dayes of the feast What so great difficulty is there in these Texts and what incongruity is there in this exposition of them A second Answer that Mr Heming giveth to my Argument is this but I must tell you beforehand it is somewhat homely Observe saith he how he would daub over his own mistake with the untempered morter of the Disciples ignorance what some of them thought proceeded of ignorance Iohn 13. 28.29 c. and a little after For the Disciples ignorance and Mr Lightfoots grounded upon theirs Christ had no moe Feasts Reply Now come out good manners he that useth the Disciples so uncivilly I may put off my Hat and thanke him that he useth me no worse then he doth I must tell the Apostles and Evangelists that let them take heed what they say and how they place their words for if they speak but one syllable awry from Mr. Hemings humour he will tell them what they are before all the Parish And I pray you Sir what were the Apostles ignorant of that one may dawbe walls with their ignorance Could they not tell whether the feast were come or no That 's the question that you and I are upon out of the words in Iohn 13.28 29. and if you say they were ignorant of that you speak like Mr. Heming in state and majesty and if they were ignorant of that they were ignorant to the purpose Come on my boyes and girles when Holidayes were in fashion could you tell when a Holiday came If you could you were wiser then Mr. Heming holds the Disciples were But it may be he will say that he doth not mean they were ignorant of this but of something else as he saith They knew not that he was to be betrayed that night why what is this to our question The Evangelist saith They thought Iesus had bidden Judas buy something against the feast hereupon I say if it were against the feast the feast was not yet come To this he gives this answer what some of them thought proceeded of ignorance for they knew not that he was to be betrayed Is not this an answer as profound and direct in it selfe as it is well mannered towards the Disciples I say still the Disciples thought Judas had been bidden to buy something against the feast ergo the Disciples knew that the feast was not yet come Let him answer me this directly and like a man that desireth to find out the truth Arg. 3 And third Argument that I give to prove that that supper Joh. 13. was before the Passeover day and not on it proves a pitfall to Mr. Heming beyond my expectation for I did not think he had been so blind as to have been so caught My words were these We know that the Lords Supper was given the Passoever day at night viz. the first Sabbath of the Feast the meaning of my argument I shall give by and by Now Mr. Heming thinketh that I speak the savourest and bravest nonsense that ever did man I shall give his censure in his words at length and not in figures for it is pity any of it should be lost Pag. 1 Whereas he saith saith he That we know the Lords Supper was given on the Passeover day at night viz the first Sabbath of the Feast whereon the Iews are the Paschall Lamb I am afraid he understandeth neither what hee saith nor whereof be affirmeth But be it so and then 1. How was Christ upon the Crosse on the preparation day the day before the Sabbath according to those Scriptures Mat. 27.62 Mark 15.42 Luke 23.54 Ioh. 18.28 19.14 31 42 verses 2. How could he rise the day after the Sabbath namely the first day of the week Mar. 16.2 Mat. 28.1 since hee lay-three dayes in the grave Doth the man beleeve thinke yee that Christ