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A45823	A contention for truth: or, an impartial account, of two several disputations The one being on Munday, the 12th. of Feb. And the other on Munday, the 26. of the same month, in the year 1671. Between Mr. Danson of the one party, and Mr. Ives on the other, upon this question (viz) whether the doctrine of some true believers, falling away totally and finally from grace, be true or no? Published to prevent mistakes, and false reports, concerning the said conferences. By a lover of truth and peace.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1672 (1672)	Wing I1095A; ESTC R222598	83,987	220

promise was made to the Israel of God but your argument was this that all the promises made to the Israel of God are made to all True believers and you must assume the Text under debate or say you cannot that the 32. Jer. is an absolute promise made to all True believers for the proposition hath two parts First That it is made to all True believers and Secondly that it is made absolutely without condition and now you are upon the first part to prove that this promise in the 32. Jer. is made to all True believers and instead of concluding this you conclude that which none denies that the promises are made to the Israel of God Mr. Danson Thus I proved it that that promise that is made to all the Israel of God is made to all True believers But that promise in the 32. Jer. is made to all the Israel of God Ergo. Mr. Ives I denyed the major of the former argument which I expect the proof of which is this you last repeated the proof whereof is still expected Mr. Danson You denyed the minor Mr. Ives No I did not As any one may see that looks back Mr. Danson I am to prove that the promises made to the Israel of God Jeremy 32. are made to all True believers Mr. Ives I Sir You are to prove that that which is predicated of the Israel of God is predicated of all True believers and conclude with Jer. 32. or you do nothing for the Question is whether this Text will prove what it is brought for and you are to prove by it or say you cannot and go to some other Argument or else conclude Ergo Jer. 32. speaks of all True believers Mr. Ives I appeal to Mr. Fowler when the case lies in difference about the sense of a Text of Scripture that he brings to prove what I denyed viz. That the promise of God is such that they cannot depart I distinguish of the promises of God with respect to the persons and with respect to the nature of the promises with respect to the persons I say that Jer. 32. is not a promise made to all True believers and with respect to the nature of the promises I say they are not absolute but conditional Now whether my distinction be true or false such as it is you have it and I appeal to you Now that as my answer consists of two parts so must his proof and whether or no must he not first prove that these promises were made to all True believers and in so doing must he not conclude Ergo These promises in Jer. 32. are made to all True believers Mr. Fowler He must He must Here Mr. Fowler interposes Mr. Fowler The promise that is made to the Israel of God is made to all True believers But the promise in Jer. 32. is so Ergo Mr. Ives I deny the major it doth not follow that if it be made to all the Israel of God it is made to all True believers Mr. Fowler The Israel of God comprehends all True believers Ergo That promise that is made to the Israel of God is made to all True believers Mr. Ives I deny the antecedent of the Enthymem Mr. Fowler Here is a Text. Mr. Ives I am not now to dispute with Mr. Fowler without you will please to take Mr. Danson's place and then prove if you can that the promise in Jer. 32. is made to all True believers Mr. Danson Mr. Fowler hath shown you clearly Mr. Ives Do you take the benefit of it then and improve it as well as you can Mr. Danson This is that which I am to prove that all the Israel of God are True believers Mr. Ives That is not the Question you are to prove that the promise made to the Israel of God Jer. 32. comprehends all True believers Mr. Danson I will prove it by a more direct Text in Heb. 8.10 For this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days saith the Lord. I will put my Laws into their minds and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a People Mr. Ives Sir Put it into an Argument for you are to prove Jer. 32. where God promises they shall never depart is made to all True believers Now pray prove that by an Argument from any Text so you conclude Ergo this is the sense of Jer. 32. Mr. Danson I am to prove that all the Israel of God doth always comprehend all True believers Mr. Ives Sir You do nothing but run into a Ring and dispute circulerly pray prove that the promises in Jer. 33. are made to all True believers Mr. Danson In spiritual things Mr. Ives What in the 32d of Jeremiah then prove it Mr. Danson Here is one part of the promise out of those words quoted I will be to them a God and they shall be to me a People and also the other Clause and they shall teach no more every man his Brother c. the 31. of Jer. compare with Heb. 8. This proves that the Israel of God comprehends all True believers Mr. Ives I took Mr. Danson for a more ingenious man then to answer so I will acknowledge that there may be some promises made so universally as they may extend to all the World and possibly there are promises that maybe in one Chapter universal in another Chapter there may be promises more special and restrained Now Mr. Danson brings a Text in the 8th of Heb. which is a recital of the Covenant in the 31 of Jeremy to prove the promise in the 32d of Jeremy is made to all True believers Here Mr. Fowler Interposes Mr. Ives You dispute now Mr. Fowler pray let Mr. Danson alone I deny that the 8th of the Heb. refers to the 32d of Jeremy which is the Text under debate for the 8th of the Heb. refers to the 31 of Jeremy and therefore you cannot conclude from thence Ergo this is the sense of Jer. 32. But that we may not wast time I deny the 8th of Hebrews speaks of all True believers for here is Mr. Danson's Argument whatever is spoken or predicated of all the Israel of God is predicated of all True believers Mr. Danson I told you in spiritual things Mr. Ives All that you have to de is to prove that this is made to all True believers let the thing promised be what it will now you prove it because it is made to the Israel of God and my answer is that there may be some things made to the Israel of God that are not appropriated to all True believers Mr. Danson I say as to spiritual blessings Mr. Ives It is from Jer. 32. that the Argument advanced and the Question now is not about the natute of the promise but the subjects of it as I have told you Mr. Danson This Clause I will put my fear into their hearts that they shall

may be had in the service of Sin and Sathan saith he and in the fulfilling the lust of the Flesh and of the Mind and in the unfruitful works of Darkness let us eat and drink for to morrow shall be as to day and much better but he further adds this Argument viz. none have right to Heaven but under the notion of a reward but wicked and ungodly men that live in contempt of God and all good have no right to Heaven under the notion of reward Ergo they have no right at all Thus far Mr. Woodbridge late Minister of Newbury enters his protest against Mr. Eyers After this rate Mr. Burroughs upon Remission of Sin reasoneth page 25. That God doth not stay till a Sinner be made Godly and then justifieth him but this saith he is one of the mysteries of Remission that all sins are pardoned both past present and to come This puts me in mind of him who in the time of selling indulgences bought a pardon for all sins to come as well as for all sins past and presently after went and robbed the Popes Legate of a great sum of Money which he had raised by indulgences hereupon the man was questioned before Authority for his so doing to which he gives in this answer for his defence that the Legate had no cause to complain because he had granted him a pardon of this if it were a sin as well any other sin that hereafter he should be guilty of May not any man if this doctrine be true take the same liberty to commit any the most enormious crimes and bring this in barr to divert divine vengeance when he shall be impleaded for it and say true Lord I was guilty of horrid Crimes and added Drunkenness to Thirst but I was pardoned of all sins past present and to come and therefore it is not just thou shouldest judge me for them To this agrees Mr. Crandon against Mr. Baxter in page 11. 12 of his Preface which book hath Mr. Carills commendatory Epistle to it and commended by Mr Christopher Fowler in his Devil at Noon Second part page 35. he calls it a pious fraud in Ministers since the Reformation to call for so much Repentance for sin and such degrees of contrition sometimes saith he you may hear them say much of the riches of Gods free grace c. but in conclusion the Preacher as if he had been deputed to the office of the Cherubims to keep the way of the Tree of Life with his flaming Sword turning every way affrightening poor people from all hope of entring saying no prophane nor unclean person hath right to meddle with this grace No First he must have such bea rt preparations and prejacent qualifications before they draw near to partake of mercy such hath heen and still is saith he the doctrine delivered in many congregations in this Nation that I have not without grief been often an Ear witness of from the mouths of many Ministers so that saith he I am afraid the Lord hath a controversie against the Ministery c. What for telling people that no prophane or unclean person hath any right to partake of the mercy of God or to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven I have more reason to fear the Lord hath a Controversie with those Ministers that call such pious truths pious frauds to the debauching of man-kind See more to this purpose in Mr. Mortons Threefold state of Man page 620. He that is united to Christ by true Faith saith he as all the regenerate are whether he dies in Repentance or in Impenitency be always dies in Christ And to this may be added some doctrines observable in a book Intituled the Marrow of modern Divinity ushered into the World with Mr. Caryll's Mr. Strongs and Mr. Borroughs's and others commendatory Epistles and with Mr. Venings to the second part of it which book hath been printed near half a score times in the 8th Edition 1658. page 204. You have this kind Of a Dialogue between a Minister and a young Christian Minister If at any time in any case thou art drawn aside by reason of the weakness of your Faith and strength of Temptation and so prevailed with to swerve from the mind and will of the Lord then beware of conceiving that the Lord sees this as any transgression of the law of works c When ever your consciences tell you that you have broken any of the 10. Commandments do not conceive the Lord looks upon you as an angry Judge and that he will give you your portion in Hell fire no assure your selves that your God in Christ will never un-Son you nor yet as touching your Justification and eternal Salvation will he love you ever a whit the less though you commit never so MANY and SO GREAT sins for this is a certain truth that as no good either in you or done by you did move him to justifie you and give you eternal Life so NO EVIL in you or DONE BY YOU can move him to take it away from you being once given And the Author in his Epistle confesseth of himself That he was a dozen years a professor of Religion before he knew any other way to eternal Life then to be sorry for his sins and ask forgiveness and strive and endeavour to fulfill the Law and keep the Commandments according as Mr. Dod and other godly men had expounded them But then page 179. The Christian replies would you not have believers eschew evil and do good for fear of Hell and hope of Heaven Minister No indeed I would not have any believer do either the one or the other for so far as they do their obedience is slavish and again in page 189. Christian What think you of a Preacher that in my hearing said that he durst not exhort or perswade sinners to believe their sins were pardoned before he saw their lives reformed for fear they should take more liberty to sin Minister Why What should I say but that I think that Preacher was ignorant in the Mistery of Faith c. What sha●l we say to these things That are the proper appurtenancies of the impossibility of any true believers final apostacies for if these things be true then all the foresaid doctrine must needs be true viz. that though believers commit never so many and so great sins and whether they die in Repentance or Impenitency they shall be saved and that they that preach remission of sins upon Repentance and reformation of their lives by this doctrine are ignorant Preachers for so the Author of this modern divinity stiles them But the Author was very happy in intituling his book modern Divinity For sure I am the Scripture Divinity and this modern Divinity are more strange to one another then ever the Jews were to the Samaritans with whom they would have nothing to do neither is Mr. Danson behind hand in these Antinomian notion who trades in absolute promises as well as