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B09712	Some of the Quakers contradictions which they writ , &c. as suted the times and their own interests; by which 'twill appear, that the highest pretenders, are the greatest deceivers.	Pennyman, John, 1628-1706.	1696 (1696)	Wing P1417A; ESTC R187055	17,887	21

Some of the Quakers CONTRADICTIONS which they writ c. as suted the Times and their own Interests by which 't will appear that the Highest Pretenders are the Greatest Deceivers Section I. 1. OUR giving forth Papers or printed Books it is from the immediate Eternal Spirit of GOD. 2. You might AS WELL have condemned the Scriptures to the Fire as our Queries 3. You are now answer'd from the Mouth of the LORD 1 G. Fox and Rich. Hubberthorn Truth 's Defence p. 2 104 107. printed 1653. 4. If ever you own the Prophets Christ or the Apostles you will own our Writings which are given forth by the same Spirit and Power 2 G. F. Answ to the Westmoreland Pet. p. 30. 1653. 5. Que. Do you i. e. Quakers esteem your Speakings to be of as great Authority as any Chapter in the Bible G. W. answers That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and GREATER 3 G. Whitehead 's Ser. Apol. p. 49. 1. WE are grosly abus'd and our Intention and Principle which NEVER was to bring our Books in comparison with the Scriptures Is not this a gross Vntruth compare it with their former Writings 2. We prefer the Bible before all the Books extant in the World 1 G. W. Quakers Plainness c. p. 71. 1674. and yet formerly reproved John Chandler at a Meeting at the Bull and Mouth for having given the Scriptures Preference before their Books And is not this a plain Contradiction Section II. 1. THE Scriptures are not the Word of GOD 1 G. Fox c. Firebrand c. p. 159. 2d Part. 1678. 2. The Scripture is not the Word of GOD as thou blasphemously affirmed 2 G. F. Great Mystery p. 240. 1659. 3. How can or dare any to say without the highest Blasphemy that the Scripture is the Word of GOD 3 G. Bishop Mene Tekel c. p. 22. 1659. 4. The Letter i. e. the Scripture is a Declaration of the Word the Husk 4 G. F. Way to the Kingdom p. 8. 1655. 5. The Letter i. e. the Scripture is Dust and Death 5 G. F. c. Brief Discovery p. 9. 1653. 6. That which is written is the Letter which is Death and killeth 6 G. W. Ishmael c. p. 10. 7. Thou art one of them that fouls with thy Feet Ezek. 34.18 that hath nothing but Husk which is fit for nothing but Swine 7 G. Fox c. Truth 's Def. p. 53. 1653. 8. The Quakers do not call the Letter the Rule and the four Books of Matthew Mark Luke and John the NEW-TESTAMENT and Gospel as thou and thy Generation do 8 G. W. and Chr. Atkinson David's Enemies c. p. 7. 1655. 9. But they frequently call'd them Earthly Letter and Carnal Letter 9 G.F. c. Truth 's Def. p. 14 28 56 60. 1. WE say Holy Writ is the declared Fundamental Law of Heaven 1 W. Penn Engl. Present Int. p. 36. 1675. 2. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and NEW-TESTAMENT were given forth by Divine Inspiration 2 G. W. Innocency c. p. 31. 1693. 3. The Holy Scriptures of the Old and NEW-TESTAMENT are of Divine Authority as being given by Inspiration from GOD 3 Quakers Vind. c. p. 4. 1693. sign'd by G. W. and 30 more 4. That they i. e. Quakers say the Holy Scripture is Carnal Dust Death and killeth c. We do in the holy Fear of Almighty GOD and in behalf of the said People declare and testify That all these and all other his Accusations of the same Kind or depending thereupon are utterly false wicked and malicious and never so believed so said nor so affirmed by us 4 Charitable Essay c. p. 8. 1693. signed by G.W. and 12 more of their Preachers Now my Request to G. W. and the rest of the Subscribers is this That they would view the Quotations on the other Side and if they find that they formerly call'd the Scriptures Carnal Dust Death c. as they have done that they would be so honest as to take shame to themselves and acknowledg their Error therein and that they have wrongfully accused Fra. Bugg for those Citations OF GOD and calls it Blasphemy in any to say so yet it is to be observed he gives that very Stile to his own Writings as in his Vials of Wrath c. printed 1654. where he says And to you all this is THE WORD OF GOD p. 7. and in p. 9. and p. 12. are the same word And in the Way to the Kingdom c. 1655. p. 14. he has them again viz. This is THE WORD OF GOD. And in his several Papers c. 1671. p. 62. he has the same over again And I believe I could quote above 100 more Sentences of the like Import out of their former Writings but here are enough at present And as to their denial of the Charge that they should say the Holy Scripture is Dust c. their Evasion or Quibble I suppose lies in these words viz. Holy Scriptures because in those Days they did not call the Scriptures Holy but on the contrary call'd them EARTHLY LETTER CARNAL LETTER DVST c. as before-mentioned Section III. 1. WE have thousands at our Meetings and none of us Quakers dare speak a word but as eternally moved of the LORD 1 A true Account c. p. 18. 1663. Never was a greater Vntruth than this printed and published to the World by any Mortals whatsoever 2. They are Conjurers and Diviners and their Preaching from Conjuration that is not spoken from the Mouth of the LORD 2 G. F. Saul 's Errand c. p. 7. 1654. 3. All you that speak and not from the Mouth of the LORD are false Prophets 3 G. F. Answ to the West Pet. p. 25. 1653. 4. How can you be Ministers of the Spirit if you be not Infallible 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 5. And how can you but delude People if you be not infallible 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 6. Thou say'st The holiest Man that is cannot give an infallible Character of another Man G. F. answers Hast not thou in this shewed thy self to be no Minister of Christ or of the Spirit that cannot give an infallible Character of another Man How canst thou see an holy Man from an unholy Man that cannot give an infallible Character of any Man's State 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 7. Thou being not infallible thou art not in the Spirit and so art not a Minister But George Fox says The Quakers are the ONLY Ministers of Christ 4 G. F. Great Mystery p. 33 82 96 107 267. 1. WE are most horribly abus'd in saying that we pretend all our Ministers to be infallible

Children of Light p. 19. 1660. R. Hubberthorn and J. N. Let their fining and imprisoning several Quakers of George Keith 's Friends in Pensilvania 1 See the Trials of Peter Boss G. Keith T. Bud and Will Bradford Quakers 1692. with their Indicting Mr. Bugg at the Sessions-house in the Old-Bailey 1693 and their Arresting and Imprisoning John Andrew February last one of their own Friends with many more that might be named bear Witness against them So that it is manifest notwithstanding their printed Doctrine of not suing any Man at the Law yet when it is for their worldly Interests they will act quite contrary Section XVII 1. THE Lord gave thee Oliver Cromwell the Necks of Princes to tread upon and their Dominions to inherit 2. If thou Rich. Cromwell chuse the LORD for thy Counsellor then shalt thou prosper and thy Name shall be greater than was thy Father's and the numberless Number of this now distressed People i. e. the Quakers will be unto thee a Strength and stand by thee in thy Day of Trouble and DEFEND thee and thy JUST GOVERNMENT 3. We know the LORD shewed Favour to him i.e. O. Cromwell and gave him Strength Wisdom Valour and a right Spirit and he was call'd of GOD into that great Work 1 E. Bur. Works p. 552 573 574. 1. THE Men and Ministers which E. B. reprehended were those very Persecutors Vsurpers over Conscience in O. P's Days 2. Bug has at unawares run his own Head against a Wall and at once justified those Magistrates and Governours and consequently the USURPATION of that Government 1 The Quakers Vindication p. 3. against F. Bug signed by G. Whitehead and 34 more 1693. given to the then Parliam Pray read the other Column over again and see if the Quakers did not justify those very Magistrates and Governours and the USURPATION of that Government which they endeavour to make the Parliament and others believe they did and do now condemn and is not this great Fallacy and Hypocrisy Section XVIII GIVE Honour to whom Honour is due but to a proud heady high-minded Man there is no Honour due tho he may be great in the World and in Place to Rule 1 W. Smith 's Primmer p. 43. 1668. Is not this strange Doctrine to teach Youth is it not the way to make them rebellious against their Superiors BVT when King Charles came into Power then G. F. could say viz. I honour all Men whether Good or Bad he makes no Exception much more the King 1 G. F 's Trial c. p. 8. 1664. Section XIX OH what a Sincerity was once in the Nation what a dirty nasty thing it would have been to have heard talk of a House of LORDS among them 1 G. Fox to the Council of Officers c. p. 7. 1659. But did not the Quakers talk of a House of Lords yea and solicit them too in 1693 that an Act might be passed that their solemn Affirmation might be accepted instead of an Oath to which the House of Lords consented notwithstanding their dirty and nasty Language concerning them Section XX. IT was through Ignorance that the People subjected themselves to Hereditary Governours or to the Government standing in a single Person successively and our Nation hath been under the Bonds of Slavery in this respect 1 E. Bur. Advice to the Parliament 1659. but this Paper is left out in his Works 1672. c. AND when the Times were turn'd G. F. said 1. If I could take any Oath at all I could take that Oath 1 G. Fox 's Trial c. p. 10. 1664. viz. the Oath of Allegiance which Oath doth bind to the King his Heirs and Successors and if this be not contradicting and temporizing what is And in their Case of Oaths 1673 p. 6. they say 2. Our Hearts and Hands could Seal to the Substance both of the Oaths of ALLEGIANCE and Supremacy Section XXI 1. ALL Kings and Emperors have sprung up in the Night since the Days of the Apostles among the Antichrists 2. There was no King owned among the true Christians but ONLY amongst the Apostates since Christ's Time 3. They were all Traitors against Christ that desir'd an Earthly King The true Christians will not have any more Kings among them but Christ 1 See G. Fox 's Papers he writ to the Presbyterians who then were endeavouring the King's Restauration p. 8 5 1659. 1. WE love own and honour the King 1 A Declar. June 5. 1660. p. 4. by G. Fox and 12 more c. 2. I honour all Men much more the King 2 G. F 's Trial c. p. 8. 3. If thou viz. King Charles take some speedy Course for the Repealing those cruel Laws haply thou may'st be a Moses to stand betwixt GOD and thy People 3 A Vis to the King 1662. signed by Josiah Coal p. 7. Section XXII 1. COME answer me you Papists Whence came your Creeds but from factious and corrupted Councils dyed in the Blood of those that refused Conformity 1 William Penn 's Truth Exalted c. p. 5. 1671. c. 2. Whether in case they could not be conformed to they would allow a TOLERATION were they POWERFUL Whether in case they should say YES we ought to believe them since it is one of their most Sacred Maxims not to keep Faith with Hereticks as was seen in the Case of those of the Alpine Valleys Jo. Hus c. and in that they have in all Ages brought so great a Deluge of Blood upon the European World 3. Whether it be the Interest of the English Nation to subject her self to a POPISH YOKE Considering the incomparably bloody Massacres of that sort of Men in several Reigns 2 W. Penn 's Caveat against Popery c. p. 37 38. 1670. 4. The Papal Interest is a Combination against good Sense Reason and Conscience and to introduce a blind Obedience without if not against Conviction and that Principle which introduces Implicit Faith and blind Obedience in Religion will also introduce Implicit Faith and blind Obedience in Government So that it is no more in the one than in the other but the Will and Power of the Superior that shall be the Rule and Bond of our Subjection This is that fatal Mischief Popery brings with it to Civil Society and for which such Societies ought to be aware of it and all that are Friends to it 3 W. P 's Eng. Int. in Choice of Parl. Men p. 4. 1678 9. 5. Consider the Nature and Disposition of the Spirit of the Church of Rome how it is not changed but the self-same that ever it was viz. a Spirit of Murder and Cruelty I say this ought to be consider'd even the Cruelty of that Spirit and what Danger there is to give way to the Exaltation of that Spirit and to embrace it in the least whereby to give Occasion to get into the Power and

JVDGMENT-SEAT for if it doth then Fire and Faggot Killing and burning about Religion will openly appear again 4 See much more of this kind in E. B 's Works p. 810. 1. I Must also tell him i. e. the Church-of-England-man I cannot admire his Wisdom Manners or Justice in his Reflections upon the Roman Catholicks after the Assurances of so great an ONE has given him and his Friends of their Security and Protection 1 The Pensilvanians Defence of the D. of Buck. Book p. 26. 1685. 2. One thing I must say Roman Catholicks have been Loyal in England and Holland and who knows not that they i.e. Church-of-England were such as hardly knew how to pray without the Liturgy that attempted to exclude the Presumptive Heir to the Crown upon the Score of his Religion 2 A Reply c. by G. C. i.e. Gulielmus Calamus Anglicè William Penn p. 22 23. 1685. 3. I say the Dissenters were invited to the Share they had in opposition to Popery by Church-men 3 Animadversions on the Apology p. 3. 1687. 4. Violence and Tyranny are no natural Consequences of Popery 4 Good Advice to the Church of England p. 42. 1687. 5. Let me ask them viz. Church of England one Question Have they not often charged them i. e. the Papists with those Doctrines viz. not keeping Faith with Hereticks Or that They are not oblig'd or do not account that of any Value or Tie to them that they promise to us 5 Advice to Protestant Dissenters p. 56. 1688. c. 6. We have been taught to entertain very hard Thoughts of their Religion and as we learn'd to speak we stammer'd out no Papist no Popery Whence sprung this Aversion mainly I am sure from this Apprehension that Blood and Cruelty attended it 7. Let her cease to be angry i. e. the Church of England and rebuke her Sons very unmannerly sitting in Judgment upon and censuring the King's Proceedings 6 Reasons c. p. 5 6. printed 1687. and approv'd by Quakers c. 8. We pray God to bless the King and his Royal Family 7 The Quakers Address to K. James April 1687. c. 9. We cannot but with grateful Hearts both admire and acknowledg the Providence of GOD that made the King's retiring into our Country viz. Scotland give a happy Turn to his Affairs to the Defeating and Disappointing the Designs of his Enemies We do justly conceive our selves oblig'd to praise GOD for his Goodness in carrying him thrô and over all his Troubles 8 The Scotch Quakers Address June 1687. Section XXIII 1. WE directed all People to the Spirit of the Lord GOD in them and if that led them to fight I had nothing against it This was spoken before a Court by one of their Ministers recorded in their Book of Outland-Letters 2. We have chosen the Son of GOD to be our King and he hath chosen us to be his People and he might command thousands and ten thousands of his Servants at this Day to fight in his i.e. Christ's CAUSE 1 E. Bur. To the present distract Nation c. p. 8. 1659. but this is left out in his Works 3. To thee Oliver Cromwell thus saith the LORD I had chosen thee to execute my Wrath upon my Enemies and gave them to thy Sword with which I FOUGHT and many have I cut down by MY SWORD IN THY HAND 2 G. Roff. Righteousness c. p. 11. 1656. 4. If you had made Inquisition for Blood and to demand all the Inquisitions in the whole Christendom whereby the Innocent Blood hath been shed then all the People with one Consent would have said These be the Men that are gone out for GOD's CAVSE pag. 3. Thousands of US i. e. Quakers went in the Front of you and were with you in the greatest Heat p. 6. And if ever you Souldiers and true Officers come again into the Power of GOD which hath been lost never set up your Standard until you come to Rome and it be a top of Rome then there let your Standard stand 3 G. Fox To the Council and Officers of the Army and Souldiers c. 1659. p. 8. 5. Let thy Souldiers go forth with a free willing Heart that thou Oliver Cromwell may rock Nations as a Cradle p. 37. 6. The LORD gave thee the Neck of Princes to tread upon and their Dominions to inherit p. 4. dated May 1657. And as for thy Father the late Protector O.C. we know the LORD shew'd Favour to him and gave him Strength Wisdom and Valour and a Right Spirit and he was CALL'D OF GOD into that great Work 4 G. Fox and E. Bur. Counsel and Advice c. to Oliv. Rich. Cromwell printed 1659. c. p. 53. See abundance more about Fighting in E. Bur. Works * From p. 536 to 540. and the Books quoted but when the Government was settled upon King Charles then they writ against all Wars and Fightings 1. ALL bloody Principles and Practices we as to our own Particulars do utterly deny with all outward Wars and Strife and fighting with outward Weapons for ANY END mark or under any Pretence whatsoever And we do certainly know and so testify to the World that the Spirit of Christ which leads us into all Truth will never move us to fight and war against any Man with outward Weapons neither for the Kingdom of Christ nor for the Kingdoms of this World So those that use any Weapon to fight for Christ or for the Establishing of his Kingdom or Government both the Spirit Principle and Practice in that we deny 1 A Declaration from the Harmless and Innocent People of God called Quakers signed by G. Fox and 11 more 1660. p. 2 3. 2. It is not lawful in the Administration of the Gospel to fight against or go to War with carnal Weapons in ANY WISE In the Administration of the Gospel it is on ALL OCCASIONS WHATSOEVER unlawful to go to War and fight with any Man with carnal Weapons 2 Quakers Plea c. 1661. p. 4 5. 3. It is not lawful for such who are come to the pure Administration of the Gospel to DEFEND themselves by Arms 3 R. Barcklay 's Apol. p. 407. 4. We cannot strive with Weapons of War nor with any carnal Weapons of War either fight to defend or offend 4 The Quakers Remonst 1665. p. 14. and yet would have defended R. Crom. and his Just Government I Shall now draw to a Conclusion with a few of their own Words lately printed viz. And this know for certain that the way to recover the Deceived is to lay open the DECEIVERS Tho. Elwood against G. Keith p. 72. 1694. And tho this Saying of theirs may be a Warrant sufficient for some others to UNMASK and DETECT them yet I do hereby assure the Reader it was never a Warrant sufficient for me For tho I was made to bear and