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A74651 The clergie in their colors or, the pride and avarice of the Presbyterian clergie hindering reformation: shewing, how from time to time they have not onely been the fomenters of this first and second war, but also by their horrid fallacies have to this present time deluded the common-vvealth. Discovered in a plain and familiar dialogue betvveen Philalethes and Presbyter.; Pride and avarice of the clergie. Boun, Abraham. 1651 (1651) Wing B3835; Thomason E1416_1; ESTC R209447 53,245 199

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of the Creed are declaimed against both by the Papists and loose Protestants But I never heard any of these men declaim against the corruptions of the times nor confesse their own errors in Symbolizing with Antichrist and receiving of the mark of the Beast to the scandall of the Gospel and prejudice of the Church of God Pr. Alas you know not what the mark of the Beast is I can tell you what it is but I desire to know what you mean by it Ph. I shall declare that to you not as any conjecture of mine own but from the learned and some such as you cannot well refuse their testimonie Learned Naper a Baron of Scotla expounding 13. Rev. 16. saith that the Crosse is the mark of the Beast and amongst divers reasons he gives for such his opinion this is one viz. Because all men are enticed under the colour of the Name of Christ to reverence that Character Bellarmine who knew the use of the Crosse in the Church of Rome saith it is Gods mark mentioned Ezek. 9.4 Bellar not in lit Π in Gram. Ebr. cont de effect Sacram. lib. 2. pag. 221. de Sacram confir li. 2 cap. 13. pag. 371. And he makes it the chiefest mark of the Church of Rome because nothing can be consecrated without it A mark is that by which any thing is known Brightman in Apoc. 13.16 another learned man saith That the mark of the Beast contains summarily all those waies by which men are bounden to the obedience of Antichrist Reverend Paraeus in Apoc. 13.16 agrees with profound Doctor Robert Abbot whose exposition upon the place above named he commendeth and reciteth it thus To the common Character or mark appertaine those things which are practiced by all Antichristians as the observation of Fasts and holy daies instituted by the Pope the worshipping of their breaden God and doing other things not commanded of God And Paraeus upon the next words saith No man may buy receive or sell the holy wares of Masses Indulgencies Absolutions Dispensations Tythes c. but these Spirituall Hucksters marked with this perpetuall character to wit Bishops Priests Monks and the like Merchants of souls citing that place 2 Pet. 2.7 Through covetousnesse shall they with feigned words make merchandize of you And that of Paul 2 Tim. 6.5 They suppose godlinesse is a gain or merchandize What think you now is the marke of the Beast Pr. These things may be the mark of the Beast but what do they concern us Ph. They do most of them belong to you the pretended Clergie of England I mean to the Formalists of this age who have held their Livings and subscribed for pretended necessitie sake Pr. Shew me how that can be the things mentioned before agree to the popish Priests Ph. So do they for the most part agree to you and your fellows little differing in these things from the Papists and our pretended Clergie have received them from the Church of Rome and have practised the same c. Viz. 1. First they have subscribed to and used the sign of the Crosse the chief of all Popish Ceremonies 2. Secondly they have observed Popish Fasts and holy daies and many other superstitions in the worship of God without warrant of the Word 3. Thirdly they have subscribed and conformed to the Book of Common-prayer which makes their holy daies equall to the Lords daie See the beginning of that Book 4. Fourthly in their subscription they made themselves the Prelats and so the Popes vassals and servants and took their licenses to preach from them 5. Fifthly they have dealt in those Wares and Merchandizes Dispensations for non-residence Absolutions Tythes and the bodies and souls of men the proper merchandize of Rome 6. Sixthly they have received the names of such spirituall Merchants as are of the devising of Antichrist as Priests Parsons Vicars Curats although they refuse the names of Monks savouring of too much austeritie of life yet more antient and inoffensive 7. Seventhly and lastly their kneeling in the act of receiving is little better then bread-worship or God under the form of bread Pr. You strain things very far I shall not trouble my self to answer your conjectures onely the last thing by you mentioned is very offensive to me for I hold kneeling in the act of receiving to be the most reverend gesture and practised it upon that ground the rather because injoyned by the Church Ph. I intend not a large discourse about abolished Ceremonies but advise you so far to view them as they concern the matter we spake of which is the mark of the beast of which this is a part 1. For first kneeling was injoyned in reverence to the Sacrament as appears by King Edward's second book of Common-prayer 2. Secondly it was never used or known till after the Lateran Councell anno 1215. where the carnall presence of Christ was decreed The next Pope Honorius the third within seven yeers after decreed kneeling in the act of receiving in regard of that supposed carnall presence of Christ Fox Act mo Dial. between Custom and verity Book 2. pag. 780. Col. 1. 3. Thirdly upon that ground of the carnall presence Bellarmine urgeth kneeling affirming it were dangerous to kneele or worship for its all one if Christ were not corporally present Bellar. contr l. 3. de euch cap. 21. pa. 633. A. cap. pa. 634. Pr. Well notwithstanding what you say I conceive the admitting and submitting to the authority and supremacy of the Bishop of Rome to be the marke of the Beast Ph. If that be so and nothing else be the mark of the beast then have not many of the Popish Congregations of France received the mark of the beast for they allow not of the Popes Supremacy Nor more did the very City of Rome submit untill about 230. yeares since Cal. Just li. ca. 11. Ser. 14. Pr. I have nothing to say to the Congregations of France but these men whom you thus mark with the mark of the Beast are the chief actors in the intended reformation Ph. If these Formalists be the men who must reforme and teach the way to the people I shall never look for reformation I told you they have received the marke of the Beast as his vassalls and slaves and have acted for Antichrist not onely doing wickedly themselves in subscribing to and using popish Ceremonies superstitious and humane inventions in the worship of God having no foundation from the word of God which is the rule of his worship but also many of them have perswaded others therein to transgresse and by their examples have caused many to fall with them into the breach of the second Commandement For these sins they have manifested no repentance nor given any satisfaction to the Congregations to this day for which cause God will never honour them so far as to make them instruments to reforme the Churches My opinion therein is grounded upon that Text of holy Scripture Mat.
those also Pr. It doth not appear to me there is any evill in these names you shall find many godly and Orthodox Divines Parsons Vicars and Curats who shew themselves glad to be quit of all the Ceremonies and heartily desire a through reformation and some of these are not ashamed of the name Priest Ph. I pray sir forsake these Apocryphal and Popish names for a great part of the Religion of Antichrist is wrapped up in such names of his Creation as Cardinals Abbots Priors Arch-Bishops Lord Bishops Deanes Arch-Deacons Chancellrs Commissaries Parsons Officials Vicars Curats Priests c. Pr. For all these names and Orders but the four last we have nothing to do with them and what harm is in any of these four names or what offence comes by them I know not Ph. I shall endeavor to let you know somewhat of that evill which I conceive of them 1. First in their Institution and original they having no foundation in the Scripture are of Antichrists devising and in their nature and use contrarie or unlike to the Ministers of the Gospel who are only Pastors and Teachers For their original they grew up in this manner The Diocesan Bishop who in corrupt times was conceived to have the care of all the Churches in his Diocess which for the most part were endowed with all the Tythes of the Parish did usually appoint the Preists or Ministers which indeed were but the Bishops Curates or Clerks Fullers holy State Lib. 2. cap. 12. p. 87. citeth Conci Toledon An. 589. Can. 9. Now when the Bishop had given to the Minister the cure of souls and care of the Church with all the Tithes and profits thereof undiminished by his Institution he was called the Rector or Parson which verie Institution being accepted was an acknowledgment that the right to the Church was originally in the Bishop and that made the Parson but the Bishops Curate or rather servant or Clerk and so it continued until the dissolution of the Bishopricks 2. Secondly the Vicar as a Clergie-man said was created or rather made by the Devil or the Pope for when the Parson grew too great or the Patron had founded a Monasterie or other superstitious house towards the maintenance thereof the tithes of several Parishes which formerly belonged to the Churches were appropriated and this was done by the Patron with consent of the Bishop and the incumbent Priest if there were any and sometimes this Appropriation was made by vertue of the Popes Bull and then the care of the Church was in the Governour of the house or otherwise according to the foundation who served the cure as they called it that is performed the Idolatrous service by a Monck of their house who was called the Vicar and to him there was allowed for his paines sometimes a stipend in monie sometimes the small Tithes c. such a proportion as he could agree for with his Master the Governor of the house And when the house came to the Crown by dissolution it stood charged with that stipend or else the Vicar had the smal Tithes or such part thereof as formerly was agreed for and the Bulk of the Tithes became a Lay fee and were sold out and enjoyed as the superstitious house held them and the Composition or endowment of the Vicar remained and so continues as his portion to this day for serving the Church c. But usually he had his institution from the Bishop 3. Thirdly the Curate grew in this manner when the Bishop held a Parsonage in commendam in his own hands to augment his Bishoprick or a Parson grew idle or had severall Church-livings then they hired some inferior Priest for what they could to supplie the cure for a year a moneth or as they could agree and he was called the Curate who came and went according to his pay and at the discretion or will of him that hired him and so he continues to this day I tell you these things not because I suppose you know them not but to put you in minde how unlike these orders are to the Ministers of the Gospel for you see the Gospel had nothing to do to approve or disapprove of the pretended Minister Parson Vicar or Curate but all was originally in the Pope or in the Bishop his Vicegerent from whom the Bishop originally received his power which continued here in force for manie hundred years Cath. Devin Respons Cook l. Caudrey Case pa. 4. And for the name Priest its true it is a contract of Presbyter but as it s used it commonly signifies a Popish Mass Priest and is a a derogation from the Office of the Lord Christ for I know none other sacrificing Priest in Gospel-sense but Christ who was the last Priest and the last Sacrifice Pr. Well I account there is no evill in these nams yet for offence sake I shall be willing to leave them and do conceive that the Ministers of the Gospel who are to continue to the perfecting of the Saints are properly Pastors and Teachers who ought to be maintained liberally and to have all incouragement by payment of all things due unto them Ph. I have alreadie told you what I conceive of their maintenance and particularly what I think of tithes But there is one thing which I wonder at why the Ministers should stand so much upon superstitious offerings and mortuaries Pr. They have been anciently belonging to the Church and although they of the Separation say they were the things of Idolaters I doubt not but they may be used being converted from their Idolatrous use Ph. As for those offerings which it seems you agree to be Popish as indeed the most of those Offerings were which were offered at the Altar called the Altarage of the Church some to Saints Idols or Devils to whom the Churches were dedicated others to the Virgin-Marie Some for Tapers and Lights and other superstitious uses others taken from the Jewes by the Papists I conceive all these unfit to be given to or received for the service of God for that some things of Idolaters not Idolatrous in State as their goods and houses may be made use of for maintenance of the service of God But those things of theirs which were Idolatrous in State that is such as were invented by Idolaters for perfecting their Idolatrie and served for no other use as all Popish Ceremonies and popish offerings ought not to be used by Christians And for those Jewish offerings it is no more lawful to use them to retain Circumcision and other Ceremonies of which Paul saith If you be circumcised Christ profits you nothing Gal. 5.2 for that the retaining of Circumcision is a forsaking of Christ and makes us bound to fulfill the Law and with that all other Jewish Ceremonies are abolished And touching Mortuaries they are a foolish and ridiculous offering and were anciently given as an amends and satisfaction to God but they went to the Priest to purge the guilt of