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A84741 Truths vindication of election, and reprobation Wherein is shewed, Christ the cause of election; sin the cause of reprobation. The iustice of God is likewise cleared from that which is layd upon him by many; (namely) that some shall one day be damned for unbelief, and yet he never gave a Christ for them to beleeve in. Most of the strongest objections that scriptures or reason can make, answered. By William Fouler minister of the gospel at Ingworth in Norffolk. Fowler, William, minister of Ingworth, Norfolk. 1652 (1652) Wing F1639; Thomason E1376_4; ESTC R209255 16,436 44

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in your former discourse you said that all children that die in their infancy are saved they cannot believe therefore they must be damned from your own words Mar. 16. 16. he that believeth not shall be damned Answ I grant that children cannot believe for believing is faith and faith cometh by hearing Rom. 10. 17. and yet they cannot be damned because where there is no Law there is no Transgression saith the blessed Apostle Rom. 4. 15. But God made no law with children as infants in the Cradle Deut. 11. 2. And know you this day for I speak not to your children which have not known and which have not seen the chastisements of the Lord And when the Lord saith hear or behold as in Ezek 18. 25. with Mich. 6. 1 2 3. he speaketh not to those which are smal children but to those which are capable of the voice of the Lord so that you see it doth not contradict what was said before Object 20. What need is there for Gospell-Ministers to tell men Christ died for all is it not enough to tell them that he died for sinners for the ungodly and for the worst of sinners Answ For these reasons they must needs declare it First because it is truth to tell them that Christ died for all and Gospel-Ministers must needs declare Truth Secondly because if it be not declared that Christ died for all but for some few onely then what man can have a sure ground that Christ died for him For if any be left out I mean that Christ died not for most men have reason to doubt that Christ died not for them and indeed if there were but two in the whole world which Christ did not dy for every poor soul might question it self that they were the man the woman that he died not for Thirdly the third reason why Gospel-Ministers must needs declare Christ died for all else they preach but a piece of the Gospel nay if those which preach do not believe Christ died for all and so preach then they have no good newes for some poor souls and in plain terms they say thus Friends there is good newes from heaven for sinners but it is but for some sinners take it amongst you Christ died for some of you but I cannot tell who you are you shall know when you believe for I will tell you you that believe whosoever you are shall be saved and you which believe not shall be damned Nay further these men tell their hearers that they cannot escape if they neglect so great salvation Now what can this Doctrine beget in a soul but a supposed hope Nay why doth the Minister so charge many a poor soul with that which is not true As thus if you believe not you shall be damned when he believes there was no Christ died for him and take heed you despise not Christ then you cannot escape when he is perswaded that Christ dyed not for him for either he did or he did not if hee did not why doth he charge him for an unbeleever there was no object for him to beleeve in if hee did die for that unbeleever it s more than the Preacher knoweth for hee beleeves Christ dyed but for a few and whether he bee one that he dyed for hee must leave it Ob. 21. Doth God give all power alike Ans No to some more to some less to one hee gives five talents to another two to another one where much is given much is required Ob. 22. Surely Christ dyed for some but onely for a temporall being Ans Where is that proof what Christ did for any one must be beleeved and no more He that is commanded to beleeve more than Christ did for him is commanded to beleeve an untruth Ob. 23. Surely it must needs be if Christ dyed for all men then all must have free will Ans And why so why must men have free will if Christ dyed for all more than if Christ dyed but for some I have proved before that God giveth forth of himself to the Creature to leave the Creature without excuse but I deny any Creature to have power of himself that is by nature to beleeve in Jesus Christ neither doth it follow that it must be so because Christ dyed for all yet I confess men would lay it on the necks of those that hold this point to make the way odious Ob. 24. We all had power and will in Adam to stand he abusing his power all mankind became sinners Now God might justly make choise of whom he pleased in this condition not being bound to restore any again As for example some man giveth his servant a sum of money to trade withall whereby he might if improved be inriched this servant wilfully spendeth this his sum of money his Master is not bound to restore him again neither is God bound to restore any Ans From this objection severall things are considerable which will help to clear our former discourse indeed this is the judgement of most men that all fell in Adam and God then was pleased to make choise of a few to become his sending his Son to die for those few leaving the other to themselves in their lost estate I desire now from what is layd down to take these into consideration First it is granted by the Objector that all had power in Adam to stand as indeed they had then the Reprobate had power to stand Secondly by Adams sin all were made sinners then it seemes all were righteous before then the Reprobate were righteous in Adam before hee sinned I am forced here to speake other mens words for I deny that any were reprobated from eternity but to answer the Objection I grant all sinned in Adam Rom 5. 18 and that it is just with God to restore whom hee pleaseth nay God had been just if all had perished It is granted likewise that God was not simply bound to restore man again But God hath bound himself to restore man by promise see the second of Joel the 28. Acts 2. 17. I will powre out my spirit upon all flesh Thus you see God hath bound himself if the Master doth promise to restore the servant that hath spent all he is bound by promise so God by promise in the 3. of Gen. 15. That the seed of the woman should break the serpents head now faithfull is he that promised who hath done it through his own grace love in Jesus Christ John 3. 16. God so loved the world that is the lump of mankind that whosoever beleeveth should not perish but have everlasting life Ob. If Christ hath taken away the guilt of Adams sin from all then what shall any hee damned for Ans For unbeleef Ob. 25. Unbelief cannot be the condemning sin only for it is said in the first of the Cor. 6 4. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither Fornicators nor Idolaters nor Adulterers nor effeminate nor abusers