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A80819 The counterfeit discover'd. Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent. 1694 (1694) Wing C6948A; ESTC R174307 7,040 6

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mean shift and quibble that it may easily be perceived for the difference was so considerably real that there is no colour for that word Pretended And for his acknowledging the Resurrection of the Body of our Lord I did not charge him to deny it but as endeavouring to envalid the testimony to his Bodily or Personal Ascension as asserted by G. K. and opposed by them G. W. excuse and cover Animad pages 34 36 37. And for all G. W's pretence of sincerity yet he do not plainly acknowledge it but say the same Christ that was crucified but before his words were the same Christ that was THEREIN Crucified but now he leave out of the Sentence the word THEREIN on which I ground my Objection altho he afterwards take it in and say pag. 58. Thou Quarrels with the Apostles Doctrine which is false for they do not say the same Christ THEREIN Crucified nor undervalue his Person as they do whom G. W. abet In page 59. Counterfeit queries where did we ever say that he who so suffered was not Christ but a Vale a Body that his Body that was nailed to the Cross was of a perishing nature In answer I say I did not charge you as saying so in those very words in the same order so as expres'd by you but I desire the impartial Reader to peruse your Doctrines Animad introduct and pages 35 36. and then judge if I have not proved my charge against you but to prevent you of calling for more proof see Quakerism Witherin pages 16. to 26. also pag. 47. as follows the sufferings of the People of God in this Age is greater sufferings and more unjust than in the daies of Christ or of the Apostles or in any time since Queen Mary's daies brought not forth a suffering more crue lin many respects what was done to Christ or the Apostles was chiefly done by a Law and in great part by the dre execution of a Law These words are so contemptious of our Lord's sufferings and over-valueing of your selves that I want words to express my abhorrance of them and were there no other proof of your contempt to our Lord Jesus but this one it s enough and too much and I could hardly believe such words should be uttered by any Christian but I find G. W. do not deny them but shuffle and quibble in page 34. to hide and cover this wicked contempt and excuse for the cruelty of the Jews to our Lord and the Apostles that is exprest and implied in them words insomuch that G. W. is forc'd to counterfeit a faint dislike Granting the passage not so well worded and intended c. Consider Reader I beseech you how calm and unconcerned Counterfeit is when our dear Lord and his cruel Sufferings and the Apostles also are so contemptiously undervalued also observe how furiously and with what indignation he do represent F. B. and T. C. infamous Apostates and scandelous to Christianity in his Title and Epistle and in Animad pages 9. 10. What infamious and slanderous Names and Terms he c. gives F. B. and T. C. also the last words in the conclusion of my Animad how they Envy and Infamize T. C. for preferring the Laws of the Nation before their laws in the form of Marriages and Tithes All these considered if my charge against G. W. c. be not proved then let me bear all the blame and shame they can put me too For were he conscienciously concern'd for the Holy Truth as he falsly in his Epistle pretends than he would testifie against and disown all those Contempts with the same Earnestness and Zeal as he do use to cover and excuse them and to defame them that discover them prove your selves to the Parliament and Nation sincere Christians and good Protestants by your defending and maintaining the Faith in our LORD JESUS as in Scripture and the succession of Christians hath been believed and suffered for and testifie against and disown that blasphemous Letter to G. F. in pag. 30 and this afore-cited and them by F. B. and T. C. objected against in Animad pages 35 36 c. And not by framing a Belief in dubious Terms that you may make to mean as you please and think its enough You may deceive Men but God will not be mocked those that confess and forsake their Errours may hope for Mercy but them that will not conf●ss but cover and excuse them shall not prosper For G. W's now pretence pag. 58. 75. of owning some Doctrine of G. K's cited in Animad Introduct pag. 2. His sincerity may be questioned first in that he hath taken such pains to blame and asperse G. K. tho not by name the maintainer thereof and excused and covered those who opposed him and asserted contrary Doctrines as in Animad pag. 36. Secondly if he owned them as fundamentals why was he so industrious to confute the Notion of the Revolution on suspicion that it was G. K's to infamize him and also for the pious Gentiles to be Christians Animad pag 38. but all his Charity could not afford any thing in defence of those fundamental Doctrines nor against those contrary Doctrines of G. K's Enemeis now he says pag. 58. W●●●● have I condemned or opposed this Doctrine c. This and other his impertinent queries are here afore and in Animadversions answered but he does not plainly own nor disown but excuse and vindicate the opposers thereof but if he be sincere let him plainly own them as asserted by G. K. and disown the contrary Doctrines of G. K's Enemies and other unchristian Doctrines of G. Fox c. and then I will acknowledg my self to have been mistaken and to have wronged him But however I bless God this advantage is obtained that the Ancient Christian Faith according to the Evangelists has been of late more Preacht in Meetings than I have heard in many years in which I rejoice whatever the end of some is THOMAS CRISP Directions in what pages you may find the charges against G. W. proved viz. Contempt of the Person of our Lord Jesus in Introduct pag. 3 4 23 to 40. Contempt of Governours pages 11. 16 18 20. Contempt of Scriptures and over-valuing their own Orders pages 21 22 23 40. Blasphemous expressions to and of G. Fox pag. 30.
Accompt of Injury is justly stated G.W. c. will appear the debtors And truely G. W. if thee canst accuse him and hast not at the same time something in thine own Conscience condemning thee for the same thee art to be lamented as being in a wretched state of hard-heartedness see Animad pag. 16 17 32 33. In pag. 63. Counterfeit saith to T. C. thou would incense the Government against us about our Marriages and Non-payment of Tithes That this is a gross Untruth and Slander may be seen in An●mad page 14. for its he and his Abettors having power over other's Consciences that I oppose but for their own Liberty in Marriages and Tithes I never Opposed therefore his saying to me in the 63d page Thou sheweth thy self offended at G. W. and his Friends having Liberty this is also a false and slanderous insinuation by these words his Friends to persuade the Reader to believe it is the Quakers in general I oppose when as it is only himself and some few such wicked Ones who I oppose In Epistle-page 91 says Counterfeit I being wholly defensive in my Concern therein i. e. Controversie if this be true than I pray when or how did T. C either Assault or Invade G. W. c. in their Rights about Marriage or Tithes First As to Marriage I only maintained my own Liberty and Right when publickly Accused and Defamed by them 2dly For Tithes the first pretended occasion that G. W. took to abuse me in print about Tithe was from some words of mine in T●stimonies page 26. I say If any observe not to do just as others in Tithe or other Civil Rights the Law requires and ought to be observed unless God do by his Spirit forbid or any for Conscience sake refuse c. Rom. 14. Now I desire the Impartial to judge if in these Words I any ways invaded or prejudiced any in their Liberty yet this is that G. W. and his Abettors abused me for and now in his 63d page says to me Thou art greatly concern'd forsooth says he for Liberty of Conscience for the free payment of Tithes but for all his flouting forsooth I bless God I have no cause to be ashamed of what I have wrote thereabout and then Counterfeit goes on saying And who hinders such c. In answer to this Query I say G. W. c. do in what they can or durst as is a-fore proved and in Animadversions pages 16 to 20 therefore the pretence that He is wholly defensive is Counterfeit all over and so is that also in beginning of his Epistle That he is of a peaceable and amicable Conversation though of differing Perswasions But wherein he is Defensive it s on behalf of Errour and Wickedness that he excuse and cover as is manifest Animadversion the Introduction pages 3 4 38 39. Nay for farther proof that his pretence is Counterfeit observe that G. W. c. having delivered to the Parlaiment a printed Paper wherein they had abused and falsly Accused F. B. as is a-fore and in Animadv page 16th proved Now against this and other of G. W's wickedness I have testified as I think I ought for its a great Scandal to the Quakers nay to Christianity that such Falshoods should be imposed on the Parliament in the Name of the Quakers for thereby the whole Body of them are chargeable with his Errours but my charging only G. W. and his Abettors does take the Scandal off from the whole Body of them I farther desire the impartial Reader to consider and judge whether or no them contemptable Questions in Quaker's Refuge c. page 17 viz. Whether the first Pen-man of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes Whether there are not many Words in Scripture not spoken by the Spirit but by grand Impostors Some by wise Men ill applied And some by true Prophets yet false c. with more such Contempt to Scripture as in Quakerisme Withering pages 33 to 36 also them contemptable Expressions of the Person of our LORD JESUS as Animadv pages 4.35 36. I say whether these and other Wickednesses that G. W. cover and excuse as is proved Animadv be not as great a Scandal to Christianity as F. B's charging them and therefore ought to be testified against because it may tend to excuse the Jews in their Cruelty to our LORD JESUS his Person and in their Infidelity in him Nay I question whether or no if it were seriously and strictly considered it may not be a hinderance and stumbling-block in the way of the Jews Conversion to Faith in our LORD JESUS as the true and only Messiah nay also Incouragement to the Mahometans Let it be seriously considered in the fear of God I beseech you it 's this Work and Principles and Workmen that Counterfeit is defensive in and prides himself in saying falsly in his Epistle It s the Living Truth and innocent People he defends I shall not trouble you with many more of his Counterfeit Pretences these being enough to prove him an Enemy and Scandal to Christianity for the contemptable undervaluing the Person and Body of our LORD JESUS do invalid the Testimonies in Scripture to the great worth and value of his Blood and Death on the Cross for that was as he was the Seed of the Woman and as to his Manhood and not as the Almighty Everlasting God In page 77 says G. W. Where 's now the contempt of his person in answer I say those who confessed Christ in words and had in his Name done mighty Works yet being workers of iniquity our Lord said to them depart from me I know you not so altho G. W. in words pretends to own our Lord Jesus yet his wicked works of excusing and covering those contempts do render him guilty thereof for the force of the proof of my charge against G. W. doth not so much depend on his own doctrines as on his excusing and covering others as appears in Animad Introduct pag. 3 4 and 4.23 to 40. and in pa. 25. I do admit G. W. c. in words to pretend to own what in works they deny and in Introduct pag. 4. I say I fear to avoid contradicting G. F's doctrines G. W. do strain and pervert words more than otherwise he would do And the aggravation of his Wickedness is that he do excuse and cover those contempts contrary to his own knowledge and judgment To evade my charge against G. W. as terming the doctrines in difference pretended fudamentals now pag. 57. he grants some of them to be fundamentals but did not say so before but if he did really believe so Why did not he defend them and G. K. who asserted them but on the contrary G. W. blames G. K. and excuse and cover his opposers as is in Animad Introduct and in pages 3 4 7. 23. 40. and as for G. W. endeavouring to restrain his word pretended as onely relating to division and not to the doctrines in difference this is such a