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A44127 The faith and testimony of the martyrs and suffering servants of Jesus Christ persecuted in New England vindicated against the lyes and slanders cast on them by Nathaniel Morton in his book intituled New England memorial / written ... by ... Christopher Holder. Holder, Christopher, d. 1688.; Rous, John, d. 1695. A few queries put forth. 1670 (1670) Wing H2384; ESTC R31117 8,220 11

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if thou rightly understand the cause thereof it would cause thee to lament and not rejoyce if thou hast any tenderness in thee towards God for in that the Lord requireth us not to visit you as formerly it plainly signifieth that the day of your visitation is over and that you are left to your selves and given up to hardness of heart and blindness of mind as Israel of old was whom the Prophet complained of saying why should they be smitten any more they revolt more and more Again as touching Ephraim the Prophet saith Ephraim is joyned to Idols let him alone again Christ saith of the Pharisees let them alone they are the blind leaders of he blind and again he that is filthy let him be filthy still so that it is an evident sign that that visitation is over and that the next thing that can be expected is utter destruction from the hand of the Lord and I am jealous nay I veri●y believe this is the case with many of you at this day in New England who have had a hand so deeply in shedding the Innocent blood of the faithful servants and messengers of the most high who loved not their lives to the death that they might finish their testimony in faithfulness to the Lord among you And why Nathaniel did thou not mention in thy Memorials how you have caused the innocent people called Quakers to suffer by you how you have imprisoned whipped spoiled their goods cut off their ears banished and hanged them for the breach of no known just Law either of God or man surely it thou had●● been an impartial Historian thou would have mentioned this but I believe your actions have been so riged and bloody contrary to justice and equity Christianity and humanity that thou art ashamed it should be recorded for a Memorial for Ages to come that they might understand how far you are digressed from that which ye pretended you came hither for to wit liberty of Conscience and why did not thou write impartially of things and men as they were as they did who writ the Kings and Chronicles who plainly declared of men as they were justifying of that which was good and disowning that which was evil in them though they were their Kings Governors or Priests but thou hast manifest thy self to write by another spirit then they writ and hast done quite contrary crying up men beyond what they were and indeed beyond what your principle is its possible for man to be whilst in the body but thou hast manifested thy folly and hypocricy to all men who knew these men it may be better then thy self as for some of them I well know to be men quite contrary both in life and judgement to what thou hast reported of them Therefore my desire is that 〈◊〉 may come to see the deceit of thy heart and the falseness 〈…〉 that roles thee and if possible that thou may come to repent of it and turn from it least thou he swept away in the like judgments as some of them were of whom thou makest mention to be miraculously slain with Thunder for know this except you repent ye shall all likewise perish and he swept away in judgment as your Fore fathers the Persecutors in other ages have been For know this that the Lord nor God is risen to sweep the earth and the day of 〈…〉 is at 〈◊〉 and the year of recompence draweth nigh for the sins of the great 〈◊〉 Babilon and Egypt whose Children ye are as by your spirits is manifest and the cry thereof is come up unto Heaven and God hath remembred her iniquiteis and she shall receive double from the hand of the Lord for all her transgressions for in her hath been found the blood of the prophets and Saints and Martyrs of Jesu Christ and of all that hath been slain upon the Earth and she shall be rewarded as she hath rewarded us and receive in the cup double for that which she ha●h filled to us have she or you her children called us Deceivers Hereticks Antichristian pernitious and damnable we will now call her Deceiver Hereticks Antichristian pernitious and damnable yea we can double it upon her for we can prove it to be so or else her Children and as by your fruits for as the have done so have you murdered killed and scandalized the Innocent harmless Lambs of Christ so it is evident that ye are members of the great Whore falfe Church Antichrist that you are guilty of those charges which thou and thy brethren have falsl● charged upon us who are called Quakers So in short I have said something for clearing of the Truth from the flood of slanders which thou hast cast out against it who am one of those that first came among you and have felt the cruelty of all your Laws except death and have outlived them and by the power of the Lord come over them all so that I and the rest of my brethren can walk through all your jurisdictions and not a hand lifted up against us though thou hast gloried so much of your being delivered from us Christopher Holder And now Nath. Morton the truth in the above mentioned particulars being c●eared and thy lies falshoods cast upon it disowned a few Queries I put forth who have been a sufferer among you in New England for thee or any other to answer who are of that Jewish and Antichristian spirit of persecution to answer that so it may appear whether your Doctrines and practices are most agreeable to Christ and his Apostles or ours we being the sufferers and you the persecutors 1. Whether the Jews in their zeal for the Law of Moses persecuting Christ his Apostles were not as justifiable as you seeing they stood up for that which they had received by Moses from the Lord but you for that which you have set up of your selves received by tradition whether it be not the same Spirit that is now working in you as was among them seeing your works are one and the same with them for they by Christs coming to fulfill the Law thought he did go about to distroy it and you by our preaching up the Life and perfection of the Scriptures think we go about to make them void and of no effect 2. Whether the odious terms which you cast upon us our doctrines as a cursed sect Hereticks Blasphemers holders of damnab●e doctrines such like do not proceed from the same Spirit which was among the Jews heathen who called Paul a pestilent fellow a seducer a mover of sedition 〈◊〉 a Ringleader of the Sect of the Nazareeni seeing we as he did teach no other things then are contained in the Scriptures of truth and is it not a certain mark of a false Church ●o persecute seeing persecution was never used by any of the true Church their weapons not being carnal but Spiritual and persecution was not known amongst them that bore the Name of Christianity till there was a degeneration among them whether you have not reason to question your state being found i● the steps of their degeneration 3. Whether the people of New England in leaving their native Country intended never to come to a further discovery of the Lord and whether when the Lord sent his servants among you to make known his way further to you ye did well so evilly to intreat them even in the highest extremity shewing your selves more like heathens then Christians 4. Whether Christs commands Swear not at all be not positive and whether not at all doth not exclude all manner of swearing by one thing as well as another in one case as well as an other and whether any man upon earth is able to dispence with the breach of this his command se●ing there is a heavy denunciation against him that shall break one of the least of them and teach men so to do and a promise to him that shall observe them and teach them and whether the testimony of him that feareth the Lord may not be as true and worthy to be taken without an oath as the testimony of him that feareth not the Lord nor breaking his command is with an oath seeing the one out of conscience to God dare not speak a lie but the other not fearing to speak a lie may with the same searedness of conscience swear a lie also 5. And what inconvenience have been found where mens testimonies under the penallty of perjury for false swearing have been taken seeing if a good conscience be not kept they run the same hazard and corporall punishment as if they Swore falsely which is the greatest obligation upon men not fearing God that may be John Rous N. M. If there had been the same liberty in New-England for the publishing truth by us as for thee to publish the Scandals a fore mentioned an answer had appeared in Print before this time ERRATA Page 1. line 26. for 〈…〉 is manifest p. 2. l. 29. for by r. and that p. 3. l. 2● for and Gods r. God and p. 4. l. 32. for 〈◊〉 what r. what p. 6. l. ● for the r. their
this is that we hold we believe that Christ is perfect and that the gift and grace of God is perfect and that as man is led and guided by it he is led to deny all ungodliness and Worldly lusts and to live Godly in this present World and unto this Christ and grace and gift of God which is perfect do we direct all people that in him they may believe and from him they may receive power that thereby they may know the Regeneration and the new birth and so become the Sons of God and that is the perfect state which we say is attainable in this life for that birth cannot sin it is true it may be slain or made a sufferer by sin but it self cannot sin as John saith he that is born of God sinneth not neither can he sin because his seed remaineth in him and this is no new thing nor strange nor damnable doctrine for this was the end or work of the Ministry which the Apostles had received from Christ for the perfecting the Saints that they might present every man perfect in Christ also he prayed for them that they might be perfect and intire wanting nothing but this Faith or condition is not soon or easily attained to nor by no other means known but as Man cometh through the death with Christ to sin and is made a live by him to Righteousness and if you preach any other doctrine then his you preach another Gospel then what Paul preached and so are under the curse which Paul pronounced against them that preached another Gospel and so in the end you will be found your selves to be a pernitious sect of Hereticks and not us called Quakers 6thly Thou sayest they placed their Justification upon their patience and suffering for their opinions and on their righteous life and retired severity and affected singularity in the words and Jestures Ans This is a most abominable lie and a false slander for which thou must receive thy reward among the lyers in the Lake except thou repent for we place Justification in none but in Christ nor by no other means are we justified in the sight of God but by the Righteousness of Christ who of God is made unto us Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification Redemption and as we feel this Righteousness of Christ wrought in us and we wrought into it we feel our selves justified in Christ and so have peace with God and to believe and witness this is no error nor delusion and to preach it unto others is no corrupt nor damnable doctrine 7thly Thou sayest as to civil account they used not nor practiced any civil respect to Man though Superiours either in Majestratical considerations or as Masters or Parents or the Antient in word or gesture Ans This is another lie and false slander for as for civil respect we allow it to all Men according to their places both in word and gesture as for Magistrates we respect their commands in doing what is just and right and in suffering that which is unjust not using any means of resistance by carnal weapons and as to Masters and Parents we own subjection and obedience to them in all things that do not cross the command and will of God but as to foolish jestures and flattering titles which are in themselves and as commonly they are used are uncivil and not civil but usually done in Hypocricy and vain glory and deceit these things we deny and cannot give it unto any man nor receive it from any man for in so doing we should be reprooved by our maker and of this mind was Elihu who said I will not now accept the person of Man neither will I give flattering titles to Man for I may not give titles to man least my Maker should take me away suddenly 8thly Thou sayest we deny the use of oaths for the deciding civil controversies Ans That we do and upon all other accounts whatsoever and that in obedience to the command of Christ who saith swear not at all but let your communication be yea yea nay nay for whatsoever is more cometh of evil the Apostle James saith before all things my brethren swear not neither by Heaven nor by Earth nor by any other Oath but let your yea be yea and your nay nay least you fall into condemnation and is this corrupt and damnable doctrine dost not thou condemn thy sel● in the things that thou allowest wouldest thou have the Scriptures to be a setled and permanent Rule and ●●●call the doctrine therein contained corrupt pernitious and damnable wouldest thou not have called Christ and the Apostles a pernitious sect and their doctrine corrupt and damnable if thou hadst been in their days to that of God in thee I speak which shall answer me in the day when the book of conscience is opened and thou Judged out of it and rewarded according to thy work 9thly Again thou sayest this spirit of delusion became very prevalent with many so as the Number of them increased to the great danger of the subvertion both of Church and State notwithstanding the endeavours of them in Authority to suppress the same had not the Lord declared against them in blasting their enterprizes and contrivements so as they have of late withered away in a great measure sundry of their teachers and leaders which have caused them to erre are departed the Country and we trust the Lord will make the folly of the remainder manifest more and more Ans I grant that the truth which thou callest a delusion became very prevalent with many and hath entred into the hearts of many and hath prevailed notwithstanding your Prisons Whips and Gallows or any other your carnal Weapons and as it hath prospered so it doth prosper and shall prosper notwithstanding all t●at you can say or do for the Lord hath not declared against us neither are we withered a way but it thou hast an eye open thou might see the contrary for the Lord hath appeared for us and given us great d●minion over you so that we can pass from all your Jurisdictions without any molestation and that we are not withered a way its evident to all men for our Meetings are more publick and larger then ever they were and this is brought to pass and accomplished through the help and power of God notwithstanding all your bloody persecuting carnal Weapons and although some of us according to the will of God are departed the Country yet there are enough remaining to make thy folly manifest unto all men more and more Again thou concludes with th●se vows let our deliverance from so great a danger be received among the principall of the Lords gratious providences towards New-England Ans Alas poor man thou gloryest in that which will be your shame for I know not why thou boasts of deliverance except it be in this that we come not so o●ten to your meetings and courts as we were used to do and if it be so