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A new answer to a speech said to be lately made by a noble peer of this realm
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J. E.
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1681
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Wing J8; ESTC R1518
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A New ANSWER TO A SPEECH said to be lately made by a Noble PEER of this REALM My Lord I Very much wonder that the Kings Speech that was so short and moderate as though his Majesty was loath to offend with too many Circumstances and sure I am if the care of his Kingdom had not compelled him he would not have troubled your Honours with any therefore I much wonder you return'd His Majesty such an Answer which never was spoken by any Peer to a King or in his presence therefore I can hardly believe any Peer of this Realm would so speak because it is to be supposed that your Wisdom should teach you better things than to go above your Element for God never gave such power no not to his Church but to submit to all Authority Nay Christ himself submitted for Examples sake and I am sure that the Church of England hath no such Principles but the Whore of Babylon and the Pope and Antichrist is known to usurp Authority over Kings and Princes and compels them to go against their Conscience for their own Interest but the Primitive Christians were known by their purity and if their Prince did command them any thing that was against their Conscience they would sacrifice their lives rather than to offend God or Man but God be thanked this is not our Case why then should any one be so jealous without a Cause when God out of his infinite Goodness hath given us a Protestant King that abhors the Superstition and Idolatry of the Church of Rome Give me leave Sir to speak a little in this matter for I know if the King was not a true sincere Protestant he would never have hearkened to a poor Subject who about 9 or 10 years ago was by chance compelled to have some Discourse with a Roman Catholick who finding her not easily to be perswaded they imployed others to try if the could perswade her sometimes lifting her up to Heaven sometimes flinging her down to Hell but when they saw that neither flatteries nor threats would move her to incline or hearken to their pernicious Principles they fell out a railing saying We were all Hereticks from the highest to the lowest At which words the Woman was sadly troubled and was resolved after few days to shew it to the King who graciously received her Petition Though his Majesty could not tell what to do in the matter and notwithstanding their Plottings were not manifested within a few days the King put out a Proclamation by which he delivered the Woman from her Spiritual Adversaries who shall ever speak of his praise and does think it a great sin to speak against the Lords Annointed or to think much of what God hath given him No Prince in the World liveth meaner than he doth therefore it would be a madness to desire that to be less that is too little already I much wonder Sir you press so hard for the pleasing of the People which is unpossible for David saith It is God subdued the People unto me But I much wonder your Honour being so Good so Wise and so Holy do forget God in all your Speech Now it would have been the joy of my Soul that his Majesty had been so happy as to enjoy a true Protestant Wife but such is the misfortune of Kings and Princes that they have not that liberty as their Subjects have to take where they like best but they must be confined to many disadvantages so that his Majesty who should be in perfect freedom is more confined then any May it please your Honour since the case stands so there is no body much to blame but however cursed are them that part Man and Wife And as for chargeable Ladies God forbid that we should desire the destruction of their Souls that they should be a Sacrifice to the People Sir you say there will be a change but I wonder what change you mean if you mean as you declare against Popish Favourites or Popish Mistrisses and Popish Councellors if it be so that you sincerely desire it for Gods Glory and for the Good of his Majesty and for the Example of others I sincerely desire it my self and I am certain there is no true Christian in the World but heartily desires the same But Sir may not you be under a mistake in supposing them to be Popishly inclined that are not for it is Crime enough to be a Courtier as the World goes now as though all Courtiers of necessity must be evil though they are never so good for I dare to say there is as many good Souls for quantity there as in the City and it is the heighth of my desire that as they exceed others in Greatness they may exceed them in Goodness and I am sure there is no good Soul but would say Amen to that But who is able to work this Change None but God alone for the Almighty has said The Tares and the Wheat shall grow together till the Harvest and then he will send his Angels and methinks you speak like a Man and not like an Angel because the Nature of Angels is to rejoyce at New Converts Sir I know not who you mean that is a Lady and belongs not to the Court that is so mischievous sure if I knew her I should be her Enemy if she be as mischievous as you say And for the Kings Distress I hope God will give him such Courage and Innocency that he need not fear his Enemies abroad nor at home and why is your Honour so fearful for when the ways of men please God he makes their Enemies to be at peace with them But Sir as to the greatest Influence in your present Councils let it be the fear of God that his Wisdom may make you wise to search out the matter for your Honours may think to do great matters and without the assistance of God perform nothing and if so how will the King be supplied And as for the House of Commons I hope God will give them such Wisdom and Goodness as they shall never offer to the King any thing that His Majesty shall not think worth answering If the King should fall into any Inconvenience for want of your Aid and Assistance would it not be thought that you are ungrateful People that would not help your King in his necessities even Gods Anointed would not this justly provoke the Almighties Anger to deliver us up to believe Lies for what hath provoked the Lord but Sin and Wickedness and Distrusting of his Providence in Governing the World If the Lord be your God study to appease his Anger for if you were zealous and in good earnest loved God truly how could you suffer such Antichristian Actions in a Christian City as the Picking up Men and Women in the Streets which is the Ruin of many Families and the Destroying of Youth the very Motion of this Wickedness every Good Christian ought to abhor So that there is a
necessity laid upon you first by discouraging and punishing all known Evils in your selves and out of your selves both at home and abroad Then will God make you acceptable in his sight that you may be helpful to His Majesty both for Soul and Body but whilst you have Jealousies and Ill Thoughts how is it possible for His Majesty to joyn with you for I dare to say you have no cause to distrust him and that I do really think that he is a Prince that scorns to deceive therefore I much wonder how you dare to say you can't trust him but I am certain his Majesty has been disappointed many times of his hopes for when his Majesty expected Figs he found Thistles And as for discontented Persons the Lord help them for the Court cannot And why should you be so unkind to so excellent a Prince whom you say your self no Story affords us a parallel and truly no more there don 't for was there ever any King came into his Throne with such an Arm of Providence and with such great Splendor and Glory Therefore his Majesty can't forget the infinite Mercies of God in preserving him and that Goodness doth teach him to imitate Christ who was kind to his Enemies even to his Murderers and as for the Kings Murderers God will send them to Hell and all that forgets God as David saith and I am sure whoever has a design to destroy his Majesty must of necessity forget God And for his Thoughts none is able to judge how much or how little his Majesty is concerned And for the Transactions between him and his Brother you say they are admirable and indeed so they be but not for mischief but for love and unity the excellency of that David has declared who saith It is more precious than Aarons Oyl 'T is not for a King to declare whom he fears or whom he not fears it is prudence in his Majesty to love his Brother but if his Royal Highness had such early thoughts of aiming at the Crown many times 't is the Wisdom of God to disappoint Princes of their expectation as well as ordinary Men. And if his Royal Highness be treacherous shall not God find it out But if he be innocent God forbid that we should impose that upon him that we are not willing to suffer our selves Sir I much wonder that you reflect upon the Duke of York in the making of Bishops 〈◊〉 though his presence had more operation to infect them with Popery than their own Conscienee Knowledge of the Truth Love of God and the presence of all others to continue them good Protestants which I nor any else can ever believe You say This Prince changed his Religion to make himself a Party and such a Party as would destroy the King his Brother certainly the Duke must be out of his senses that would joyn with such a Party for he might well be assured that God would not let Murther go unrevenged and that he should meet with a far more numerous Party to oppose him Therefore I cannot believe that the Duke is so guilty as some would have him Besides I have heard him protest that he is innocent and that if he had a Thousand lives he would lose them all to defend the King his Brother I am apt to believe him by what I hear you say That he should so long have his Lodgings at Whitehall his Guards upon the same Floor without any interposition between him and the King so that the King was in his hands Certainly if he had been so gaceless and wicked what opportunities had he to accomplish such Devillish Designs many year ago But God forbid that the Duke should have such thoughts And as touching the Kings Behaviour the World as you say knows very well and truly so it does for never any King in this world governed with greater moderation than he doth towards all men which bespeaks His Majesty to be a very Gracious Prince and one that feareth no hurt because he doeth none Therefore you have great reason not to doubt the King or the Court or to imagine that the King could ever think Presbyterians to be Plotters who pretend to so much zeal and loyalty for His Majesties Interest The Papists may plot to inlarge the Popes Dominions and to think to merit Heaven but what can the Presbyterians plot for Sir You wonder at a Parliament and cannot understand the Riddle of it surely it is not so hard but your Wisdom may unfold greater Mysteries And for the Duke's going away I dare to think he would rather have staid if he might have had that happiness but to prevent unquietness he went though unwillingly and can his Highness go to a better place than Scotland for their zeal against Popery is known of old and you need not fear a Popish Army coming from thence for I hope they may be Instrumental to make him a Convert for I believe he is not so popishly inclined as you imagine Let us leave our Sins and put our whole trust in God and forsake our Sins and not reflect upon His Majesty for any thing that is done for I am certain the King will do nothing but what is for his own safety and your good And how contrary is it to reason that a King should betray himself and what advantage would it bring him Is not his safety the Peoples safety and the Peoples safety his safety Far is it from the Kings thoughts to think to set up Popery and Arbitrary Government Your Lordship can't but know how that he is not Ambitious but contents himself with mean things and desires no greater Treasure in this World but Peace Love and Unity Why then does your Lordship say you want a Governour and a Prince that you may trust for some time as though this Nation would not always want a Governor certainly you can have no thoughts of any other and if no other Why should your Honour disincourage this with Fears and Jealousies It was the Punishment of Cain to suppose that every one that met him should kill him when God had ordered to the contrary who was the First Antichristian in the World and the Root of Popery Your Honour may seriously consider what difference there is between a true Christian and an Anti-Christian for one puts his trust in God the other in Man and God cannot give a greater gift to Mortals then to make them true Christians I hope the King will never change his Government nor break the Oath that he has taken Therefore if your Honour is a true Church-man according as it is now Established by Law you need not fear but the King is yours Truly I may say that he is a true Lover of all his People distinquished by what Name soever for he is so truly Vertuous that he loves all and that is the Reason that His Majesty can scarce Punish any but thinks that his Mildness and Sweetness would move them the more to love him Would to God that you were his so much as he is yours For the growing greatness of France we shan't have no need to fear if we have but Unity among our selves Why should we not be Christians as well by Nature as by Name and if it hath not been usual in England for a Prince to want Supplies why now For it is not lawful neither by the Law of God or Man not to afford his Majesty such Supports as may be for the good of the Nation His Majesty scorns the very thoughts to make his Peoples Slaves or Papists I beseech your Honours think not Evil of Ministers who are Gods Messengers though their Arguments don't please you neither put you too much confidence in your Treasure least God should blast it with a Curse There is no need for any man to fear the Kings Fidelity for he is resolved to Die in Defence of the true Protestants of the Church of England therefore I much wonder what Principles you mean the King must change certainly it is not the Principles of his Religion for if it be so His Majesty had better want your Assistance then submit to such Impositions for certainly I should think then that Gods Wrath should destroy us for changing our Principles for a little money That is that as the Devil and the Pope would have but we will Sacrifice our Lives rather than change the least Tittle contrary to Gods Will. We have been bereav'd of one King already and of our Religion too and now how many does envy our happiness and would fain make us believe he is not ours and that is the ready way they may bereave us of him by taking away his good Name Now Sir if you would oblige me to think well of you you must love His Majesty your self and exhort all others to love him for that is the way through Gods Blessing to make us all happy Noble Sir I should not have spoke so much at this time but that I could not rest satisfied that my Sovereign should be thought so hardly of because I am sure His Majesty doth not deserve it and I hope I shall obtain your Candid Censures to pardon her who is a zealous Lover of her King and Countrey and longeth for the happiness of every Individual Soul as much as for her own hoping the Almighty will accept of my sincere though weak endeavours to defend my Sovereign according to my knowledge for I hope no body shall have cause to say I have spoke an Untruth I am your humble Servant and Souls Well-wisher E. J.