Selected quad for the lemma: lord_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
lord_n	day_n	good_a	see_v	11,824	5	3.3378	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A36152	The Dissenters guide resolving their doubts and scruples about kneeling at receiving the sacrament / published to prevent men and their families from being ruined by excommunication.		1683 (1683)	Wing D1688; ESTC R26719	12,355	41

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