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A90872	A true and faithfull narrative (for substance) of a publique dispute between Mr. Tho. Porter, & Mr. Hen. Haggar; concerning infant-Baptism. In the parish church of Ellesmer in the county of Salop, on the 30 of April, 1656. / By one who was present at, and a diligent observer of, the debate.	Porter, Thomas, d. 1667.; Haggar, Henry.	1656 (1656)	Wing P2998F; Thomason E887_1; ESTC R207352	16,499	27

Porter If I prove their Discipleship out of Scripture surely it 's found in or by Scripture as Act. 27.2 11. Paul reasoned out of the Scriptures Mr. Browne Shew me where it is written in Scripture that Infants are to be baptized if it were written there I could read it there Mr. Porter And so you may read it there if you were not blind and who so blind as he who will not see But I shall stop your mouth presently Redemption freed from restraint you have published in your book that the sprinkling of Infants is an Antichristian idoll where is this Sir written in Scripture Mr. Browne What is this to the Baptizing or discipling of Infants c Mr. Tallants It is written in Scripture Disciples are to be Baptized it is written in Scripture Infants are Disciples therefore it is written in Scripture Infants are to be baptized I pray you Mr. Porter prove them Disciples Mr. Porter I was about it but was interrupted by Mr. Haggar and Mr. Browne who are like a Lapwing that makes the greatest noise when furthest from the nest and produced Act. 21.4 5. From whence I thus argue They who did accompany Paul in his journey were Disciples But some Infants did accompany Paul in his journey Therefore some Infants are Disciples Mr. Haggar Having read the place quoted I find that the Disciples with their wives and children brought Paul onwards on his way but not that the children are called Disciples Mr. Brown There was no mention made of Infants in those words how then do they hold forth Infant-Baptism Mr. Porter I have shewed some Infants are to be Baptized because they are Disciples I am now upon proving that Infants are disciples And what though Infants are not here expressely mentioned they are not to be excluded nay Children are here mentioned Infants are Children therefore Infants And I confirme it by a parallel phrase Phil. 1.1 To the Saints at Philippi with the Bishops and Deacons so here Disciples with Wives and Children Now if Bishops and Deacons must not be shut out from being Saints in the Philippians then neither Wives nor Children from being Disciples in the Acts. Scripture you see must expound Scripture See also 2 Chro. 20.13 Gal. 5.24 Mr. Haggar We know Deacons were Saints before they were Deacons Act. 6.3 Mr. Tall. What is this to the purpose Proceed Mr. Porter Mr. Porter I further prove them viz. some Infants Disciples by Act. 15.10 Why tempt ye God to put a yoke on the neck of the disciples c. They on whom the false teachers would have laid the yoke of circumcision were Disciples but the false teachers would have laid the yoke of circumcision on Infants as well as grown men Therefore Infants as well as grown men were Disciples Mr. Haggar Prove that they would have laid this yoke on Infants Mr. Porter They who would have had the Disciples circumcised after the manner of Moses would have laid this yoke on Infants as well as grown men But the false teachers would have had the Disciples circumcised after the manner of Moses * See Exod. 1.5.24 Here the people hist and laughed at him and stamped with their feet for indignation Therefore Mr. Haggar We deny the Conclusion We come not to answer Arguments but to hear Scripture for Infant-Baptisme And there is no duty to be practised but it is in as plain terms in Scripture as this He that believeth shall be saved Mr. Browne Why do you Mr. Porter suffer those yong men that stand by you to carry themselves so uncivilly Nay I saw your self smiling Mr. Porter Who these yong men are I know not they came not with me they are strangers to me I have no command of their gesture I could desire you and Mr. Haggar to carry your selves so gravely and soberly that no occasion may be given of hissing and laughing at you I know none but women and Mr. Haggar who will denie the Conclusion And for my self it 's true I smiled but it was at you and your brothers folly And whereas Mr. Haggar you imply you must have expresse Scripture for every duty to be practised you pray before and after your Sermons do you not and where have you express Scripture for that practise and an hundred more As 1. Prayer in family twice a day 2. Worshipping of the holy Ghost 3. Trusting in Christs satisfaction and merits 4. Womens receiving the Lords Supper 5. Receiving it with reverence repentance rejoycing c. 6. Using the Lords titles and properties with reverence faith knowledge c. Mr. Haggar Pray continually 1 Thess 5.17 Mr. Porter There is no expresse mention made of prayer before and after Sermon in that Scripture So that you see you must and do prove it by consequence else you must fling up this and a great part of your Religion both for things to be believed and practised marke that good people whether this be expresse Scripture for prayer before and after Sermon And were you not partiall in your self you cannot but be convinced that Infant-Baptism is comprehended in Matth. 28.19 as well as prayer before and after Sermon in 1 Thess 5 17. Mr. Tallants Two hours have been spent in Canvasing the first Argument You have heard beloved what hath been said concerning the Baptizing of Infants on Scripture grounds of their Discipleship and what hath been alleadged in answer thereto Both Arguments and Answers must be left to the judgement of this great Congregation I pray you Mr. Porter proceed to another head 2. For Practise and Example 1. Example Mr. Porter I begin with 1 Cor. 10.2 And were all Baptized unto or into Moses in the cloud and in the sea If some mens exposition may be admitted the words hold out a clear instance of Infant-Baptism Dan. Heinsius viz. They were all from the least even to the greatest even to Moses himself baptized in the cloud and in the sea Mr. Haggar All here spoken of were believers Mr. Porter That is a paradox and contrary to express Scripture for some were unbelievers Heb. 3.18 19. And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest but to them that Believed not So we see that they could not enter in because of belief Besides it 's expressely said in this Chapter 1 Cor. 10.5 With many of them God was not well pleased And they are called Idolaters v. 7. Fornicators v. 8. Tempters of Christ v. 9. Murmurers v. 10. All whose carcases fell in the wildernesse for unbelief Heb. 3.17 Mr. Haggar No Infants were baptized into Moses but such as are expressely called our Fathers vers 1. All our Fathers were under the cloud therefore not Infants Mr. Porter They who came out of Egypt and passed through the sea were baptized into Moses But Infants as well as grown men came out of Egypt and passed through the sea Therefore Infants c. Exod. 10.9 And Moses said We will go with our young and