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A85327 Faith in five fundamentall principles, strongly fortified against the diabolical, atheisticall, blasphemous batteries of these times Serving for the conviction of opposers, the satisfaction of doubters, and the confirmation of believers. In a conference which a godly independent minister and a godly Presbyterian minister had with a doubting Christian. By E.F. a seeker of the truth. Fisher, Edward, fl. 1627-1655. 1650 (1650) Wing F993; Thomason E1375_2; ESTC R209221 23,410 56

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man yet wee read Mat. 2. 11. That the Star doth manifest him and the wisemen doe worship him as he was God And though wee read Mat. 3. 16. that he was Baptized in Iordan as hee was man yet the same verse tells us that the holy Ghost descends on him from heaven as he was God And though we read Mat. 4. 1. that he was tempted of the Devill as he was man yet we also read verse 10. that he overcomes and expells the Devill as he was God And though it be said Ioh. 4. 6. Mat. 21. 18. Ioh. 19. 28. that hee was weary hungrie and thirstie as he was man yet is it also said Mat. 11. 28. Ioh. 6. 35. Ioh. 7. 37. that he refresheth the weary is the bread of life for the hungry and giveth drinke to the thirstie as he is God and though wee read Luk. 8. 23. 24. That he sleepes in the Ship and his disciples awake him as he is man yet wee read in the same place that hee rebuketh the winde and the raging of the waters as he is God And though we reade Mat. 26. 37. that he was sorrowfull and heavie and wept Ioh. 11. 35. as he was man yet doe we also read Ioh. 14. 1. 18. that he comforteth his sorrowfull and heavie Disciples as he was God and though it be said Mat. 27. that he cryed out my God my God why hast thou forsaken me as he was man yet it is also said Luke 23. 43. that hee comforteth the good Thief immediately after saying This day shalt thou be with me in Paradise as he was God and though we read Mat. 27. 50. 60. that he dyed and was laid in the Grave as he was man yet doe we also read Ioh. 10. 18. Luk. 24. 6. that he had power to raise yea and did raise himselfe to life again as he was God though we reade Luk. 24. 15. 31. that he talkes and walkes and eates with hs Disciples after his Resurrection as he was man yet wee also read Act. 1. 9. that hee ascended up into Heaven as he was God And this I hope is sufficient to convince you of the God-head of the second person in Trinity called the Son And that the third person in Trinity called the holy Ghost is also God is likewise evident and cleare from Scripture and that first of all from the testimony of Moses Gen. 1. 2. where he sheweth that even before the Creation the spirit of God was busied in the preserving of the confused lump of things which doth sufficiently demonstrate that he is God And how fully doth the Prophet Isaiah confirme it Chap. 48. verse 16. saying And now the Lord God and his Spirit hath sent me And when it said in the 6. Chap. and third verse of the same prophesie that the Angell did acknowledge one God whom they worship to bee holy and doe three times one answering another stile him so surely they doe thereby shew the mistery of the Trinity And it is evident by their writings that ancient Jewes before Christ did note this mistery of the Trinity in their exposition of the word Iehovah adding moreover that this mistery was to be kept secret untill the comming of the Messiah who should more clearly reveale it And indeed not onely the Deitie of the Son but also of the holy Ghost is far more clearely manifested in the new Testament then in the Old for the same person whom the Prophet Isaiah Chap. 6. 3. 5. calleth Iehovah The Apostle Paul repeating the very same words Act. 28. 25. saith it was the holy Ghost that spake them And whereas all the Prophets in the Old Testament doe ordinarily say Thus saith the Lord the Apostles in the new Testament doe ordinarily say Thus saith the holy Ghost Act. 21. 11. and the holy Ghost said Act. 13. 12. And the holy Ghost testifieth Act. 20. 21. and so in like manner the author to the Hebrews repeating that saying Psal 95. 7. To day if ye will heare his voice brings them in thus Wherefore as the holy Ghost saith Heb. 3. 7. And whereas the Lord tells Moses Exod. 4. 11. That it is he alone which giveth to man a mouth and wisedome to speake the Apostle Paul tells us 1 Cor. 12. 10. that it is the Spirit which giveth it to man And so in the new Testament wee finde that as unto the second person so unto the third are ascribed the very same name artributes and workes which properly belong unto God as for instance if you looke into 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. you shall finde that the Apostle doth give unto the Spirit of God the very name of God telling the beleeving Corinthians that they are the Temple of God because the holy Ghost dwelleth in them and if you looke into 2 Cor. 6. 16 17 18. you shall finde that the Apostle calls the holy Ghost the Lord almighty and if you looke into Act. 5. 3. you shall finde that the Apostle Peter telleth Annanias that he had lyed unto the holy Ghost and that he might give him to understand that the holy Ghost is God he telleth him verse 5. that hee had lyed unto God and if you look into Act. 10. you shall finde that in one place it is said that Cornelius was warned of God to send for Peter and in another place you shall finde that the holy Ghost himselfe telleth Peter that hee had sent him and if you looke into 1 Cor. 2. 10. you shall finde the Apostle telling you that the Spirit scarcheth all things even the secret or deepe things of God Now if to search the heart of man and to know the secrets thereof be proper to God onely as you may see it is Ier. 17. 10. much more to know the secrets of God is proper to God onely and if you looke into Heb. 9. 14. you shall finde that eternity is attributed unto the holy Ghost in that the Apostle in expresse termes calleth him the eternall Spirit and if you looke into 1 Cor. 12. 9 10. you shall finde that the power which the Apostles had to worke miracles and wonders was from the holy Ghost now it is proper to God onely to worke miracles and wonders and therefore the holy Ghost must needs be God To conclude if you looke into 1 Pet. 5. 10. you shall finde that God is stiled the God of all Graces and if you looke into Ephe. 5. 9. and into Gal. 5. 22. you shal finde that all graces in the faithful are the fruits of the spirit of God whereby it is evident that the spirit of God is God thus you see it is evident by scripture that both the Sun and holy Ghost are God equall with the Father and that there are three persons in one Divince Essence Christ I know Sir that you Ministers doe speake and write much of the mistery of the Trinity and that there are three persons and yet but one God and that none of the three persons are
need of the body nay may he not hence conclude more then this namely for the soul to worke and doe well it ought either to be without the body or else to be utterly unsubject to the body and that the full and perfect life of the soul is the full and utter with-drawing thereof from the body and whatsoever the body is made of for though the soul be the forme of the body yet it being no materiall forme the more it is discharged of the matter the more it retaines its own peculiar form To conclude then seeing that the nature the nourishment and the actions of our soules are so far different from the nature nourishment and actions of our bodyes and from all that is done or wrought by our bodies can there be any thing more childish then to imagine our soules to bee mortall because of the mortality of our bodies And now my good friend I hope by this time your soul hath so beheld her selfe in the glass of her own marvelous actions that she will henceforth conclude her selfe to bee immortall Touching the Resurrection of the body Christ WEll Sir I doe acknowledge that you have very sufficiently proved the immortality of the soul and now if Mr. B. will be pleased to prove the Resurrection of the body then wee shall have done Inde Surely friend the Scripture is exceeding full and cleare for this point and therefore I pray you first of all consider that Job saith in plaine termes Job 19. 25. I know my redeemer liveth and that hee shall stand at the latter day upon the earth and though after my skin wormes destroy my body yet in my flesh I shall see God Now doth not this Scripture plainly hold forth under us the certainty of the Resurrection of the body in that this holy man doth professe he doth beleeve that he shall see God with these very eyes at that day And I would also intreat you to consider that the prophet Isai saith Chapter 26 19. Thy dead men shall live c. In which words the prophet speakes of the Resurrection of the Saints giving us to understand that all those Saints who dye and whose bodies are layd in the dust all those shall certainly rise againe to life And I would also beseech you to consider that in Ezek. 37. the Prophet speakes most excellency of the Resurrection of the dead in shewing that a spirit of life and power shall come upon the dry bones and dust of the Saints and that they shall live in the presence of God And I would also intreat you seriously to consider that the prophet Daniel telleth us that many who sleep in the dust shall awake Some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame and contempt And surly our Saviour doth confirme the same by uttering almost the same words Joh. 5. 28. 29. saying They that are in the Graves shall here the voyce of the Son of man and shall come forth they that have done good to the resurrection of life and they that have done evill to the resurrection of condemnation And consider I beseech you that Jesus Christ himselfe is risen from the dead and doubtlesse he did not rise as a private person he did not rise privately for himselfe but as a publike person representing all the faithfull and hence it is that the Apohle saith 1 Cor. 15. 13. If there be no resurrecteon of the dead then is Christ not risen And againe in the same Chapter verse 19. he concluds that if there be no resurrection of the dead then the faithfull are of all men most miserable But saith the same Apostle to the comfort of the Thessalonians who seemed to make some question of the Resurrection if we beleeve that Jesus Christ dyed and rose againe even so them also that 1 Thes 4. 29. sleep in Jesus Christ will he bring with him And I beseech you also to consider that it is said Revel 20. 21 15. And I saw the dead both great and small stand before God and the Sea gave up her dead which were in her and death and hell delivered up the dead To conclude I would pray you to minde the Argument which our Saviour useth to prove the Resurrection of the dead Mat 22. 32. in saying God is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. And God is not the God of the dead but of the living But he should not be the God of Abraham Isaac and Jocob if they should not rise againe from the dead many other places of Scripture might be brought for the further confirmation of this truth if it were needfull and especially out of the new Testament for in very deed there is no Doctrine more plainly and fully taught in the new Testament then the Doctrine of the Resurection and therefore unlesse we will make both Christ and his Apostles lyers and all the Ministers of the Gospell Cheaters Juglers and Deceivers of the people wee must needs acknowledge the Resurrection of the body and soothly if there were no Resurrection the most just and righteous God should seeme to be unjust and unrighteous who many times in the time of this life doth not reward the godly as he hath promised nor punish the wicked as hee hath threatned and hence it is that the Apostle saith 2 Thes 1. 6. it is a righteous thing with God to recompence tribulation to them that trouble the Saints and to them that are troubled rest when the Lord Jesus Christ shall be reveled from Heaven Chris But I cannot conceive how it is possible that when our bodyes are consumed to dust they should bee raised againe and besides some mens body have beene drowned in the Sea and eaten of Fishes how then is it possible that all men should rise again as you say Inde Though it be impossible with men yet it is not impossible with God for with him all things are possible yea not onely possible but also easie and therefore I beseech you be perswaded of it as an undoubted truth that that God who in the beginning was able to create all things of nothing is much more able to make every mans body at the Resurrection of his owne matter for doubtlesse it is a harder matter for him to make man of nothing out of the dust and although untill the day of Judgement the dust of all men buried doe lye in Common together in the bowels of the earth and that also with the dust of beasts yet if a man skillfull in seeds be able to seperate one seed from another and if a man skilfull in mettels be able to seperate and distinguish the earth and dust of Gold from the earth and dust of Silver and so of other mettals then surely the great and wise Creator of man Seeds and Mettals and all things else is able to distinguish the dust of men from the dust of beasts and the dust of one mans body from the dust of another and though the bodies of some men be burnt to ashes and the bodyes of other devoured of wilde beasts and others drowned in the Sea and eaten of Fishes yet God is able and will certainely gather together in one every mans body and they shall all receive that substance which belongeth to them so that there shall not be an heire of their head wanting to any one of them Chris But Sir can you shew me any resemblance of the resurrection in nature Inde Yea wee have many resemblances thereof in nature for what doth the world daily in the elements and creatures thereof but imitate our Resurrection as for example doe wee not see by the degrees of times the whithering and failing of the leaves from the trees the intermission of their fruits c. And behold upon the suddaine from a dry and dead tree by a kinde of Resurrection the leaves break forth againe the fruits wax bigh and ripe and the whole tree apareled with a fresh beauty consider wee also the little seed whereout the tree ariseth and let us comprehend if wee can how in that smallnesse of seed so mighty a tree can bee where were the Wood the Barke the glory of the beames the plentie of the fruit when we first sowed it when we first threw it into the ground were any of these things apparant no they were not what marvel is it then if of the dust of the earth God at his pleasure remarke man when from the smallest seeds hee is able to produce so bigg a tree doe we not also see the dying of the day daily into night and freshly arising againe in the morning as if it had never dyed Aagin doe we not see that before the Corne can grow and beare fruit it must be first cast into the ground and there rott and even as it springeth up againe and the Lord giveth to every graine it s owne body even so at the Resurrection shall every man be raised up with his own body And again both Philosophers and Divines tell us that the Phenix is first consumed to ashes by the heat of the Sun and that afterwards of her ashes ariseth a young one Lastly to mention no more the swallows wormes and Fishes which have layen dead in the winter yet in the spring time by vertue of the heat of the Sun they revive againe thus you see that the whole Creation doth as it were writ a Cmmentary to give us assurance of the Resurrection of the dead and so I hope this may suffice to assure you of the Resurrection Chris Well Gentlemen I must confesse you have said more for the confirmation of the truth of these points then I had thought could have beene said and I hope that my heart shall bee hereby the better establisht therein whilest I live and with many thanks unto you both for your pains I take my leave of you Inde Fare you well good friend and the Lord write the truth of these points In your heart by the power of his owne Spirit Pres The Lord bee with you and grant that what we have said may take deepe impression both in your heart and ours that wee may bee fully confirmed in the truth of these points Amen FINIS