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A41784 Presumption no proof, or, Mr. Petto's arguments for infant-baptism considered and answered and infants interest in the convenant of grace without baptism asserted and maintained : whereunto is prefixed an answer to two questions propounded by Mr. Firmin about infants church-membership and baptism / by Thomas Grantham. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1687 (1687) Wing G1542; ESTC R27161 38,572 48

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in_o this_o world_n and_o must_v they_o now_o die_v eternal_o in_o hell_n be_v this_o your_o tender_a mercy_n to_o infant_n o_o you_o cruel_a paedobaptist_n object_n x._o if_o the_o blessing_n of_o abraham_n come_v upon_o the_o gentile_n through_o faith_n gal._n 3._o 14._o how_o do_v it_o reach_v to_o the_o infant_n of_o the_o gentile_n which_o do_v not_o believe_v answ_n i_o tell_v you_o that_o the_o blessing_n in_o respect_n of_o eternal_a life_n be_v not_o peculiar_a to_o abraham_n and_o his_o seed_n but_o be_v make_v as_o well_o to_o adam_n and_o his_o seed_n and_o so_o common_a to_o mankind_n and_o may_v well_o be_v call_v the_o common_a salvation_n be_v derive_v from_o christ_n promise_v gen._n 3._o 15._o before_o abraham_n be_v who_o be_v