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A45227 A seasonable vindication of the supream authority and jurisdiction of Christian kings, lords, parliaments, as well over the possessions as persons of delinquent prelates and churchmen, or, An antient disputation of the famous Bohemian martyr John Hus, in justification of John Wickliffs 17 article proving by 43 arguments taken out of fathers, canonists, school-men, the supream authority and jurisidiction of princes, parliaments, temporal lords, and other lay-men, who have endowed the church with temporalities, to take away and alien the temporal lands and possessions of delinquent bishops, abbots and church-men, by way of medicine or punishment, without any sacrilege, impiety or injustice : transcribed out of the printed works of Iohn Hus, and Mr. Iohn Fox his acts and monuments printed London 1641, vol. I, p. 585, &c : with an additional appendix thereunto of proofs and domestick presidents in all ages, usefull for present and future times / by William Prynne ...; Determinatio de ablatione temporalium a clericis. English Hus, Jan, 1369?-1415.; Foxe, John, 1516-1587. Actes and monuments.; Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1660 (1660) Wing H3802; ESTC R8509 98,591 126

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let it then be burned with the fire of faith But these men albeit they have many neighbours dwelling near unto them yet for very pride they will not call any man unto them chusing rather to continue still ignorant then to ask any question And if they do know any man to enquire for his neighbour in such case by and by they cry out upon him as an heretick presuming more upon their own heads than having confidence in their wisdom But I exhort you to give no credit unto their outward appearance for already it is verefied in them which the Satyrical Poet saith No credit is to be given unto the outward shew for which of them all is it that doth not abound with most shamefull and detestable vices And in another place he saith They are very dainty of their speech and have great desire to keep silence And thus much hath Mr. Wilhelmus Let all such hear whom this parable doth touch for I with the rest of the Masters Bachelors and Students of our University considering how hard a matter the condemnation of the forty five Articles of Wickliff without reason is and how grievous a thing it were if we should thereunto consent doe call together my neighbours the Doctors of this Universitie and all others which would object any thing against the same that we might presently finde out the reason of the condemnation of this article concernning the taking away the temporalties from the Clergie Notwithstanding I doe professe that it is not my intent like as it is not the meaning of the Universitie to perswade that Princes or secular Lords should take away the goods from the clergie when they would or how they would and convert them to what use they list But our whole intent is diligently to search out whether this Article as touching the taking away of temporalties from the Clergie may have in it any true sense whereby it may be defended without reproof Wherefore this Article being the seventeenth in the number of the forty five is propounded under this form The Lords temporal may at their own will and pleasure take away the temporal goods from the Clergie if they doe offend and therein continue It is thus proved The Kings of the Old Testament took away the temporal goods at Gods commandement from the Clergie that is to say from the Priests offending Therefore the Kings of the New Testament at Gods commandment may do the like when as the Priests of the new law do offend The consequence dependeth upon a similitude And the antecedent is evident First it is proved by Solomon in the 3. of the Kings 2. chapter which Solomon deposed Abiathar the high Priest because he had taken part with Adonias the brother of Solomon to make him King without the advice either of David or of Solomon himself which ought to reign and set up Sadoc the Priest in the place of Abiathar because he had not consented with Abiathar unto Adonias as it is written in the 3. book of Kings 1. chapter where it is said Adonias the son of Agithe exalted himself and said I will reign and made unto himself chariots and horsemen and forty men which should 〈◊〉 before him neither did his father rebuke him at any time saying Wherefore hast thou done this For he was very comely being second son next to A solon and his talk was with I●●b the son of Sa●via and Abiathar the Priest which took part with Adonias But Sadoc the Priest and Benatas the son of Ioiada and Nathan the Prophet and Semei and Serethi and Felethi and all the power of Davids host were not on Adonias part This was the cause of the deposing of Abiathar because he took part with Adonias that he should be King against Solomon the eldest Son of King David wherefore it is written in the third book and second chapter of the Kings The King said unto Abiathar the Priest Goe your wayes unto Anathoth thine own field for thou art a man of death but this day I will not slay thee because thou hast carried the Ark of the Lord before my father David and didst labour in all things wherein my father laboured Then did Solomom cast out Abiathar that he should be no more the Priest of the Lord that the word of the Lord might be fulfilled which he spake upon the ● use of H●li in Silo. Behold the most prudent King Solomon according to the wisdom which was given him of God did exercise his power upon the said Priest putting him out of his priesthood and setting in his place Sadoc the Priest This was a greater matter than to take away the temporalties If then in the Law of Christ which now raigneth over us a Bishop should likewise rebell against the true heir of the kingdom willing to set up another for King why should not the King or his heir have power in like case to take away the temporalties from him so offending Item it is also evident by the King Nabuchodonozor which had power given him of God to lead away the children of Israel with their Priests and Levites into the captivity of Babylon as it is written 4 book of the Kings 25 chapter Item it is read in the 4. book of Kings and 12. chapt how that Ioas the most godly King of Iuda according to the wisdom which God had granted him took away all the consecrate vessels which Iosaphat Ioram and Ochosias his fore-fathers Kings of Iuda had consecrated and those which he himself had offered and all the treasure that could be found in the temple of the Lord and in the Kings Palace and sent it unto Azthel King of Syria and he departed from Ierusalem Mark how this most holy King exercised his power not only in taking away the temporalities of the Priests but also those things which were consecrate in the Temple of the Lord to procure unto the Commonwealth the benefit of peace Item in the 4. book and 18. chapter of the Kings it is written how that the holy King Ezechias took all the treasure that was found in the house of the Lord and in the Kings treasury and brake down the Pillars of the Temple of the Lord and all the plates of gold which he himself had fastned thereupon and gave them unto the King of the Assyrians yet was he not rebuked of the Lord therefore as he was for his other sins as it appeareth in the 2d book of Kings 18. chapter Forsomuch then as in time of necessity all things ought to be in common unto Christians it followeth that the secular Lords in case of necessity and in many other common cases may lawfully take away the moveable goods from the Clergy when they do offend Item it is also read in the 12. of St. Matthew that the Disciples of Jesus to slak their hunger upon the Sabbath day pulled the ears of corn and did eat them and the Pharisees rebuked them therefore unto
whom Christ answered Have ye not read what David did when he was hungry and ●●ose that were with him how he entred into the house of the Lord and did eat the shew bread which it was not lawfull for him neither for them that were with him to eat but only for the Priests This story is written in the first Book of the Kings and 21. chapter And the commandement in the 12. chapter of Deuteronomy Whereby it appeareth that it is lawfull in time of necessity to use any thing be it never so much consecrate Otherwise children by giving their moveables to the consecration of any Temple should not be bound to help their parents which is contrary and against the Gospel of St. Matthew in the 16. chapt whereas our Saviour sharply rebuked the Pharisees that for their own traditions they did transgresse the commandement of God Item Titus and Vespasian secular Princes had power given them of God twenty four years after the Lords ascension to take away the Temporalities from the Priests which had offended against the Lords holy one and thereby also bereft them of their lives and it seemeth unto many they did and might worthily do the same according to Gods good will and pleasure Then forsomuch as our Priests in these daies may transgresse and offend as much and rather more against the Lords anointed it followeth that by the pleasure of God the secular Lords may likewise punish them for their offence Our Saviour being King of kings and high Bishop with his Disciples did give tribute unto Caesar as it appeareth in the 17. chapt of St. Matthews Gospel and commanded the Scribes and Pharisees to give the like unto Caesar St. Matthew 22. Whereby he gave example unto all Priests that would come after him to render tribute unto their Kings whereupon blessed St. Ambrose in his 4. book upon these words in the 5. of St. Luke Cast cu● your nets writeth thus There is another kind of fishing amongst the Apostles after which manner the Lord commanded Peter only to fish saying Cast out thy hook and that fish which cometh first up take him And then unto the purpose he saith It is truly a great and spiritual document whereby all Christian men are taught that they ought to be subject unto the higher powers and that no man ought to think that the Lawe of a King here on earth are to be broken For if the Son of God did pay tribute who art thou so great a man that thinkest thou oughtest not to pay tribute He payed tribute which had no possessions and thou which daily seekest after the lucre of the world why doest thou not acknowledge the obedience and duty of the world Why doest thou through the arrogancy of thy mind exalt thy self above the world when at through thine own miserable covetousnesse thou art subject unto the world Thus writeth St. Ambrose and it is put in the 11. caus qu. 1. Magnum quidem He also writeth upon these words in Luke 20. Shew me a penny whose Image hath it if Christ had not the Image of Caesar why did he pay any tribute He gave it not of his own but rendred unto the world that which was the worlds and if thou wilt not be in danger of Caesar possesse not those things which are the worlds for if thou hast riches thou art in danger of Caesar. Wherefore if thou wilt owe nothing unto any earthly King forsake all those things and follow Christ. If then all Ecclesiastical Ministers having riches ought to be under the subjection of Kings and give unto them tribute it followeth that Kings may lawfully by the authority which is given them take away their temporalities from them Hereupon St. Paul acknowledging himself to be under the Jurisdiction of the Emperor appealed unto Caesar as it appeareth Acts 25. I stand saith he at Caesars Judgement seat there I ought to be judged Whereupon in the 8. Distinction chapter Quo jure St. Ambrose allegeth that all things are lawfull unto the Emperor and all things under his power For the Confirmation whereof it is said Daniel 2. chapter The God of heaven hath given unto thee a Kingdom Strength Empire and Glory and all places wherein the children of men do dwell and hath given into thy power the beasts of the field and fowles of the air and set all things under thy subjection Also in the 11. question and 1 he saith if the Emperor require tribute we do not deny that the Lands of the Church shall pay tribute if the Emperor have need of our lands he hath power to challenge them let him take them if he will I do not give them unto the Emperor neither do I deny them This writeth St. Ambrose expresly declaring that the secular Lord hath power at his pleasure to take away the Lands of the Church and so consequently the secular Lords have power at their own pleasures to take away the Temporal goods from the Ecclesiastical Ministers when they do offend Item St. Augustine writeth If thou saiest what have we to do with the Emperor But now as I said we speak of mans Law The Apostles would be obedient unto Kings and honour them saying Reverence your Kings and do not say what have I to do with the King What hast thou then to do with possessions By the Kings Law thy possessions are possessed Thou hast said what have I to do with the King but do not say what have thy possessions to do with the King For then hast thou renounced the Laws of men whereby thou diddest possesse thy Lands Thus writeth St. Augustine in his 8. distinction by whose words it is manifest that the King hath power over the Church goods and consequently may take them away from the Clergy transgressing or offending Item in his three and thirtieth Epistle unto Boniface he saith What sober man will say unto our Kings Care not you in your Kingdom by whom the Church of the Lord is maintained or by whom it is oppressed it pertaineth not unto you who will be either a religious man or who will be a Church robber Unto whom it may be thus answered Doth it not pertain unto us in our Kingdom who will either live a chast life or who will be an unchast whoremonger Behold this holy man sheweth here how that it is the duty of Kings to punish such as are robbers of Churches and consequently the proud Clergy when as they do offend Item he writeth in the 33. caus quest 7. Si de Rebus The secular Lords may lawfully take away the Temporal goods from hereticks and forsomuch it is a case greatly possible that many of the Clergy are users of Simony and thereby hereticks therefore the secular Lords may very lawfully take away their temporalities from them For what unworthy thing is it saith St. Augustine if the Catholicks do possesse according unto the will of the Lord