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The Kingdomes grand quere. What warrant there is for such proceeds about the King. Resolved by a Presbyterian minister. Also a quere taken from the representation of the judgement of the ministers in the Province of London delivered to the Generall, Ja. 18. 1648. With resolutions to them both for better satisfaction of tender consciences, that scruple the late proceeds of the Parl. and of the Army with the King.
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Century of scandalous Ministers justly cast out by this Parliament and few the narrow way to life and that as Rome and Babel was not built in a day so what 's of Babel is known by degrees more and more and so we are to change for the better still If any change to Presbytery not out of conscience but for by-ends such God will judge I confesse I have formerly eyed preferment here but now through Gods mercy I doe more eye better and enduring preferment And now to your Queries To your first It 's granted that Rights that are Divine or Naturall no man ought to deny or cut off but positive rights may and sometimes ought to be cut off As Popes power in England Abbots Abbasses Priors c. When such are found inconvenient or hurtfull that power which gave them and put them up whether Sword or Choise the same power may and should put them down againe To your second David and Manasses were not Kings onely by positive but by divine expresse lawes First David 1 Sam. 16.11 Then David's Successors whereof Manasses was one for ever 1 Chron. 17.11 12.14 2 Sam. 17.16 Psalm 18.50 2 Kings 8.19 2 Chron. 21.7 c. So in the Sanhedrin were some of David's house till Christ came who is King for ever Gen. 49.10 with Luke 1.32 33.27.63 with Numb 36.8 9. For otherwise the expresse repentance of David and Manasses could not satisfie the expresse law without respect of persons That the murtherer must surely dye and no satisfaction must be taken For blood pollutes the Land and defiles it and there can be no expiation for the Land for blood but by the blood of him that 's guilty Numb 35.31 32 33 34. Gen. 9.6 Rev. 13.10 Deut. 16.19 Now in our Land either is the Parliament chiefly guilty of the blood of many thousands who sent to attach the Kings Councellors and then the King raised an Army neer York or else is the King thereby chiefly guilty The chiefly guilty of blood ought to dye by the law of God and of nature though sometimes the guilty are too hard for others to punish and escape for a time as Joab did Yet when such are subdued they must dye as in 2 Sam. 3.29 30. 1 Kings 2.5 6.29.32 To your third Quere If you wrong the Lords Annointed will not God curse c Answ No Kings are by Scripture warrant called the Lords Anointed but onely such as were Kings by Gods expresse rule or expresly before named and appointed by him not any other Kings that were by positive law only Secondly It 's no wrong to doe justice impartially but it is for a blessing to a Kingdome and a curse to neglect it 1 Kings 2.32 33. Num. 35.33 34. Ier. 5.1.5 6. To the fourth Other Nations will come and ruine us If God give quietnesse who then can trouble Iob 34.29 when judgement was done on Israels enemies then God gave them rest round about 2 Chron 20.29 30. To the fifth Will you depose our King before you have another King What necessity hath England more then Holland of a King doe all goe by the eares there What approved Author blames them or their Government more then such as have Kings Or who blames Rome that changed their Kings into two Consuls yearly chosen banishing their wicked King Tarquin for his base adultery and them into tenne chief Governours and when they began to tyrannize deposing them and setting up two Consuls and then one Dictator c. and who blames them for it The Senators wisdome prevented broyles To your last The time is near when all Tyranny Oppression Law-vexations Ware shall all cease Severall Nations are casting off cruell yokes See Isa 40.14 Dan. 2.34 35.45 Dan. 7.26 And who knoweth whether our Army Senators may begin to make up the breaches of many Generations wherby both we and our Posterity may blesse the Lord for them Isa 58.12 However Fiat justitia et nobiscum erit Dominus Your bitternesse in some expressions I passe over and shall remain Jan. 26. 1649. current Yours if you are Gods and the Kingdoms A SECOND QUERE from the Representations of the judgement of 47. Ministers in the Province of London in their Letter to the Generall delivered Jan. 18. 1648. WHat warrant hath the Army who in reference to the power of Magistracy are but private persons to usurp an Authority over the King and Parliament contrary to our Oaths our Vow and Covenant to preserve the rights of Parliament and the Kings Majesties Person and Authority in the preservation and defence of the true Religion and Liberties of the Kingdome For answer hereunto As when the chiefe Priests Scribes and Presbyters or Elders put this Question to Jesus By what authority dost thou these things and who gave thee authority to doe these things Jesus answered and said unto them I also will aske you one question answer me and I will tell you by what authority I doe these things Mar. 11.27 So say I herein I will ask you one or two Questions what authority had the high Priest Jehoiada to joyne in a Conspiracy with Captaines of Hundreds and to gather Levites together and to order a third part here and there and to make lawes for the Kingdome when hee and they in reference to the power of Magistracy were but private persons that yet they order things as if they were chief Magistrates of the Kingdome And by what law or president in all Israel doe they take upon them to oppose and depose and put to death the person that swayed the Scepter who originally came in by force what ever Oaths of Allegiance or Vowes they had made to keep Allegiance and though they had been obedient to that power for severall yeares The Lord had said of the house of David that his sons should reigne for ever But where hath he said so of the house of Stuarts more then of the house of King Harold whom William the Conquerour by force deposed and more then the Brutans now called Welch whom the Saxons drove from their rights here If any have such rights to the Kingdome it is in some of those Brutans if reigning more then Priests office must be by succession Secondly The REPRESENTATION of the generall Assembly of the Kirke of Scotland printed for Richard Bostocke July 5. 1645. in the Name of the whole Nationall Kirk expresly charged the K. with the guilt of the shedding of the blood of many thousands to use their words of your Majesties best Subjests and permitting Masse and other Idolatry in your owne Familie c. And you kow the Scripture saith yee shall take no satisfaction for the life of a Murtherer which is guilty of death but he shall be surely put to death Numb 35.31 The Land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein but by the blood of him that shed it Now when Jehoiada and those private persons with respect to the power of Magistracy had caused
THE KINGDOMES GRAND QVERE What warrant there is for such Proceedes about the KING Resolved by a Presbyterian MINISTER ALSO A Quere taken from the REPRESENTATION of the judgement of the Ministers in the Province of LONDON Delivered to the Generall Jan. 18. 1648. WITH Resolutions to them both for better satisfaction of tender Consciences that scruple the late Proceeds of the Parl. and of the Army with the KING Numb 35.1.30 31. And the Lord said who so killeth any the murtherer shall be put to death Yee shall take no satisfaction but he shall surely be put to death So yee shall not pollute the land for blood defiles the land And there can be no expiation for the blood-shed but by the blood of him that shed it 1 Kings 2.31 Fall upon him that thou maist take away the innocent blood that be shed from us and from the Land LONDON Printed by M.S. for H. Cripps in Popes-head Allie 1648. The Kingdomes Grand Quere about proceeds with their KING SIR YOU were pleased to aske mee if Malignants had feed me when I pleaded so for the King Take it as you please I 'le make bold to aske you hath not your Benefice see'd you that formerly you were for the King and suffered under it and could plead as all other Ministers did 1. That we must obey the King as Supreame actively or passively 2. That he that resists powers resists the Ordinance of God For the powers that are are of God 3. That the best weapons of Christians are Prayers and Teares and that they are called to suffer not to rebell But now when you see the King as low as David was when his Souldiers were ready to stone him and that the Parliament hath greater power now you are for the Parliament yea and for the Army too that now have their turne to do what they list O Tempora O mores Tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis This may as truly be said of our English Clergy as ever of any There were never greater Turn-coats then Blacke coates In King Henry the eight's time they were all generall first for the Popes supremacy then for the Kings 2. With King Edward the sixth they changed their Religion and were Protestants 3. With Queen Mary they were Papists again And 4. with Queen Elizabeth they turn Cat in pa◠and of above 9400. Ecclesiasticall promotions not one hundred of the Parsons stood firm all the rest turned their Religion before they would be turned out of their Livings as Cambden shewes in the year 1559. the 2. of Queen Elizabeth And now you that were for Episcopacy are all generally for Presbytery on the like ground I wis you say your conscience now is better informed but let me put some Queries to you 1. What conscience have you to plead for the Rights of the Parliament and of the Subjects and yet to deny or cut off the Rights of the King and his Successors 2. If the King be guilty of blood as you say so was David so was Manasses of very much blood But what authority hath man to depose the Lords Annointed now more then they had to depose David or Manasses will not God judg Kings 3. And if you wrong the Lords Anointed will you not bring Gods curse upon you and upon the Kingdome 4. Are not other Nations like to come against us to ruine us and our Posterity 5. Will you depose our King before you have set up another King or agreed about one to set all the Land together by the eares and the longest sword take all 6. And lastly shall not all our cries and miseries that you bring upon us pierce the Heavens and will not God hear and curse you and your Posterity for it I have done you must beare with expressions from a heart full of bitternesse And disdaine not to shew mee if you have ought to answer Which if you doe not I shall have cause to judge it is because you cannot and that you are condemned of your owne conscience January 25. 1648. Yours to serve you if you were for God and the King c. Answer to the former letter SIR THough my time be short and precious through urgent occasions yet I must not omit to returne you an Answer though but in briefe that have spoke your heart and the heart of many and that would count my silence disdaine disability or selfe-condemnation And first to the first That Kings should be obeyed actively or passively I still do grant it generally in an ordinary way I must adde that the Hebrew 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Melek King from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to rule is Hee or They that rule in a Kingdome as Chiefe as the Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basileus as it were the Basis or foundation of the peoples right or welfare of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to reigne I say this title King is given in the Scriptures to all and to any that reigned whether it be one King or one Judge as Moses is called King Deut. 33.5 and the Judges are so called each of them Judg. 17.6 Or secondly if two had the chiefe rule as two Consuls in Rome or three Tribuni Plebis or Tenne called Decemviri or if one called Dictator or one called Caesar or Emperor or if one called Papa in a generall Church-power and then with such a Civill power All these I say in Scripture are called Kings See Notes on Revel 17.8 So all those in Rome that succeeded Kings are there called Kings And the Tenne Hornes which are called Tenne Kings The States of Holland are reckoned one and the States of Scotland another not excluding the late time of 1638. 39. when they cast off Bishops and Ceremonies Revel 17. What Ruler or Rulers God and the People set up to be Chiefe over them during that time these are to be obeyed in such manner as is aforesaid 2 Sam. 16.18 Whether it be King as in Rome Tarquine was King till they deposed him and banished him for his villany to Lucretia or two Consuls which Rome put in stead of the King or Caesar who got the Rule by the Army c. This not hindering but that all people except the Jews as in the answer to the second Quere might alter their own Government so often as they had cause and power in their hands To your second He that resists authority or power sinnes It 's true be it higher or a petty Constable but I may resist his force if forcibly he would rob me or ravish or wrong me 't is no sinne if I can to right my selfe To your third Though Christians are to suffer as Christians as the Apostle Paul did yet as freeborne they may and should as cause is stand upon that freedome as the Apostle did Act. 16. ult And to your fourth It 's to be lamented that the most Ministers have still changed with the times but you know many goe the broad way witnesse the first