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A05353 A treatise concerning the defence of the honour of the right high, mightie and noble Princesse, Marie Queene of Scotland, and Douager of France with a declaration, as wel of her right, title, and interest, to the succession of the croune of England: as that the regiment of women is conformable to the lawe of God and nature. Made by Morgan Philippes, Bachelar of Diuinitie, An. 1570.; Defence of the honour of the right highe, mightye and noble Princesse Marie Quene of Scotlande and dowager of France Leslie, John, 1527-1596. 1571 (1571) STC 15506; ESTC S106704 132,510 314

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to beleue that it is now at length found and practised by such a Ladie and Princesse frō whose person her noble birth her honorable state and prīcely educatiō and the whole trade of al her godly and vertuous life past do farre repel and driue away al such suspicion and cōiectural presumptiōs And whom al Christian Princes haue had in high estimation and worthy price for her great prudēcie and many other Princely qualities the which ful goodly do adorne and beautifie the grace and comlines of her Roial personage Doth any man or woman fal to extreme lewdnes al at ones No verily We doo both rise and fall by degrees aswel to all singuler vertues as to al extreme naughtines Let them shew me then if they can any euil doinges in al her former life wherevpon to make a sinister diuination to fasten vpō her their treacherous accusations What vnsemely outragiouse and vnprincely parte hath she hitherto played Lette the noble Realme of France testifie of her demeanour and behauiour Let her owne subiects that be not her opē enemies and her duble duble traitours accuse her hardly and spare her not But yet let them wel thinke withal at their better leisure and when they shal be better aduised whether there be any indifferent person who wil not both detest and vtterly abhorre the peruers and naughty nature of such vngrate traitours Or that wil not thinke it farre vnlike that this noble Queene who hath so gratiously pardoned them duble and treble treasons would euer finde in her harte so to vse her owne deare husbande This is vnlikely this is incredible and the more al circumstāces cōsidered For if she had bene desirous to haue ben ridde of him as they falsly and maliciously imagin and report her to haue ben she had good and lawful meanes to serue her turne Albe it he was her head in wedlocke yet was he otherwise but a member of her commō Weale subiect to her as to his principal and supreme Gouernesse and to her lawes By the due and ordinary processe and course whereof he might iustly haue bene conuicted condemned and executed aswel for the murther committed vpon Dauid her Secretarie in whose body his dagger was found stabbed as for the imprisoning of the Queene and for the attempting to remoue her from Ciuil gouernment to intrude him selfe thereto and for diuers other the like pageants by him plaid Who can nowe reasonably thinke that where she by lawe and iustice might haue fully satisfied this her falsely surmised will and desire that she would not take the opportunities in this sort offered but omitting them al seeke vnlawful meanes to his destruction This vehement presumption of her innocēcy is much holpen for that she would not consent to a diuorse betwene her and the Lord Darley as we shal hereafter declare though she were moued therto by a great numbre of her Nobilitie and by such as be now her greatest Aduersaries I adde thereto as a great and an vrgent presumption and token of her innocencie and pure conscience that she voluntarily came into England refusing the offers of diuers of her owne subiectes who besought her Grace to repaire into their quarters profering to preserue her Grace safe therein wher she knew right wel were both the father and mother of the said Lord Darley a Noble Princesse that would not see the blood of her nere Cosen vnreuenged and a worthy sort of men of Nobilitie also who would neither suffer suche a facte to passe and escape vnpunished nor so vertuouse and giltlesse a Queene to remaine without ayde helpe and succour being with Rebelles and Traitours shamefully oppressed and bereaued of her Royal dignitie The worthy saying also of the wise Cassiue is here to be remembred Cui bono Wherby he did signifie that in suche doubtful coniecturall cases a man may make a great ayme and cōiecture against the personne appeached if by the facte dooing he should enioye any speciall profitte emolument or commoditie If the Queene had after his fatal and final ende purchased to her selfe the matching in mariage with any great and mighty Prince for her great aduancement or any other encrease of her honour or aduantage whatsoeuer there had ben some colour and shew whereby one might haue an apparent presumption Againe she was not ignorant but that his death either proceding from such naughtie meanes or otherwise naturally was likely to be a merueilous great let and impediment to her great affaires Among other things the testimonie and cōfession of diuers guyltie as they be reported and executed in Scotland for the said offence which they opēly made at the time of their death doth tende much to the aduancing and approbation of her innocencie These men yet peraduenture wil replie and say that these are but slender presumptions And yet were it so that they were of force sufficient they must yeelde to an approued trueth It remaineth now then that we consider how sure and substantial their proufe is Concerning therefore the first parte we wil not altogether denie but that she was somewhat estranged from him and therfore they might haue spared a great sort of then needelesse and friuolous arguments and yet flat and plaine lies withal to prooue the same But fie vpon the crueltie of these accusers who were the very authours them selues and themselues the only workers and bringers to passe of al this discorde training this seely yong Gentleman by ther guilefull and wily circūuentions wretchedly to conspire with them against his owne deare wife and dradde Souereigne to the most cruell and detestable slaughter of her trustie Secretarie Dauid and to the imprisonnement of the royal person of the very Queene her selfe These and many other like pranks and practises as the reuocation of th' Earle Murray and of other traitours of your allie and affinitie without the Queenes knowledge by the Lorde Darleyes youthful rash and remerariouse deuice to departe the Realme with many other like practises purposes and attemptes for his princely person very vnmete and farre vnsemely ye craftily suppresse and speake no word of for feare of burning your owne clothes I say therefore fie and dubble fie vpon ●e impudencie of these mischieuous trai●●rs now to lay to the Quenes charge and reprochefully to obiect to her the changing ●her minde toward her husbande which rose and began vpon causes for the which they had bene long earst trised vp if they had not fortuned vpon and met with so gratiouse a Mastresse as I knowe and they though vndeseruing it do wel feele that the whole worlde hath very few her like And yet al this your pretensed alienation of her accustomed fauour from him not withstanding her very motherly care for bysides al other respectes though they were not farre different in yeares she was to him not only a loyal Prince a louing and deare wife but a moste careful and tender mother withal was neuer a deale lessed or minished
albe it for a time she did dissemble and forbeare outwardly to shewe and vtter her most inward hart and affectionate loue vpon most ●●st and good respects As the manner and practise of prouident and moste louing parentes oftentimes is toward their deare children for the better reclaiming of the wandering mind and wauering wil of the youthful vnaduised gentlemā And therefore hearing and aduertised that he was repentant and sorowfull and that he desired her presence she without delay thereby to renew quickē and refresh his sprites and to comfort his hart to the amendment and repayring of his helth lately by sicknes sore impaired hasted with such spede as she cōueniētly might to see and visit him at Glasco Whereas also at diuers other places especially at Edenborough she from time to time most louingly enterteined and most tenderly cherished him euer euen to the very last houre that euer she saw him Whereby it did to al men most euidently appeare that al maner of displeasure or variance whatsoeuer your coniectural surmises suppose to haue bene betwene them or your seditious practises and ambitious procedinges had sowen in their stomakes and minds was not only now we● aswaged and fully appeased but vtterly for euer quenched as being altogether forgottē and troden to your muche misliking and great discomfort vnder foote of them both neuer to be renewed againe But for as much as these men do wel perceiue that if this be true whiche is in deede so certeinely true that they them selues are for the manifest euidence thereof euen driuen and for●● to acknowledge and confesse the same then their great Samsons post of discorde and debate wherewith they would vnderproppe and vpholde al their traiterous procedings as also this their mischieuous accusation and greeuous crimination the which they had fully now conceiued and brought as they hoped to perfection by the mischieuous driftes of their shrewd wily diuelish disposed braines against her would faile them and fal to the ground For this consideration I say they nowe measuring these most commendable doings of the very vertuouse and well meaning Queene by their owne depe and dubble dissembling crafty nature their former drifte failing them began to lay a new foundation to build their long conceaued treasons on and say that al this curtesy fauour loue and amitie was but a set matter on her part and coulorable shew and a dissembled drift and fained pretense by her colorably conueied vpon none other purpose but to flatter and entice him to Edenborough to his bane which say thei appereth by her own leters It irketh and greeueth them to the very harte to heare of the reconciliation and therefore they toyle and tumble from 〈◊〉 kinde of lying Rhetorike to an other euen quite contrary For as before they founde great fault with her for estranging her fauour from him so now at the last they mislike at her great trauaile taken in her progresse to visit and cumfort him iudging and reputing al her dutiful kindnes as hypocritical and counterfeited dissimulation Wherin by their malitious construing and wrong interpreting of wel and cōmendable doing they represent the natural disposition and froward inclination of the Diuel who hath that name for that he is willingly and of purpose a malitious false reporter and accuser As for the letters they take hold on and slander her for we shal hereafter examine them what weight they beare Wel then if ther were such a reconciliatiō made betwen them as I haue said to be as there is litle or no cause at al why any man should thinke that the Queene was priuie or ware of the means of his death so may it seme but mere superfluous for vs either to rehearse what surmised difference were betwene them or to confute the falsitie of al such allegations namely seeing that in some thereof they charge the most innocent Quene with their owne most lewd naughty and wicked deuises and detestable practises As for an example and proufe thereof the Earle Murray and his counsaile perceauing that for a time the Queene seemed not wel to like of her husbandes doinges albe it whatsoeuer her said misliking were it was as is aforesaid for the loue of him in respect of his owne profit and commoditie being very desirous to bring home againe their cōfederated mate th' Earle Morton who then was in banishmēt and remained in England for the slaughter of Dauid her Secretarie without whose presence and present aduice their fetching practises were halfe maimed and lacked force to take effect were earnest suters that if she would pardon him they would procure a diuorse betwene them wherto she would not agree But what haue these good men now done thinke ye in this part Surely they haue plaied the said pageant with this innocent Susan as the two wicked Iudges did play with the other former Susan They lay hard to her charge their owne naughty and wicked counsel and deuise It were therefore but a vaine and lost labour for vs to stay and tarie long vpon the confutation of their owne craftie malicious inuentions and procedinges in procuring an alienation of the Queenes minde from her deare and wel beloued husband or vpon any other alienation whatsoeuer it so being that they them selues can not denie but that there folowed a good pacification and reconciliation betwene them We wil consequently therfore consider the second principal point of our discourse For they say that they haue a sufficiēt prouf to iustifie the chiefest part of their accusation A proper iustification pardie This this is their ioly witnesse this is their singuler iewel whereby they set much store the value whereof in their eyesight they repute and accompt as of an inestimable treasure This most necessary witnesse they haue alwares attendant at hand and ready at a beck to serue their turne at a pinche when nede requireth for al their purposes and attēpts If ye doubt of the veritie of any parte of their accusations this witnesse though ye neuer sawe nor heard of any suche thing wil ful faire bleate it out and make al things according to their mind as cleare as Cristal or as the bright shining sonne So that if this witnesse once faileth them then al their accusation faileth them therewith and by and by quaileth And soothly this witnesse yet al this notwithstanding what else is it but a blind and deafe and a dōme testimonie of certaine obscure letters written and indited as they most falsly and as vainely auouche and hitherto were neuer able to proue by the Queene to the Earle Bothwel It is forsooth a boxe of letters taken from one Doughleysh who was executed for the Lorde Darleyes death the Earles man forsooth whiche letters he receiued at Edenborough of one Sir Iames Balfoure to conuey to his Master Thus say they But we say to you as is sayd in Terence Non sunt haec satis diuisa temporibus The very time if nothing else were
all worldes and turnes Against you the Earle Murton bysides the murther of the Queenes Secretarie and of the Lorde Darleye her husbande there are many iuste exceptions and chalenges to be layed and taken aswell of other misdooinges as of manyfolde and apparent treasons whiche ye seeme to haue sucked with your mothers milke ye haue ben a Traitour so often times to your Prince and Souereigne But the Earle Murray it is whom aboue all other we haue to charge and burden His base natiuitie his baser conditions the notable saying of the foresayd Cassius Cui bono the trade of all his former life will muche stayne and presse him if wee doo well weygh and marke the weyghtie presumptions that be euident and playne against him I will make my beginning with the greate and vnnaturall vnkindnesse and ingratitude by him shewed to his deare Sister and his louing and most bountiful Maistresse and Souereigne At what time she minded after the death of her first husband the French Kinge to repaire into her owne Realme of Scotland she sent forthwith for him into France and vsed his aduise and counsel in al her affairs euen as she did also after her returne into Scotlad so farre that she had but as it were the name and calling he bearing the very sway of the Regiment by her intituled to and honoured and adorned with the Earldome of Murray and at length by one meanes or other furnished with so greate and ample possessions that bysides other commodities and aduantages the yearely rent thereof passeth and surmounteth the summe of twenty and six thousand poundes after the rate of their money Behold now the thankfulnes of this good and grateful nature He laboured and endeuoured al that he possibly could to withholde the Queenes mind and stay her from al manner of mariage and to entaile the Groune of the Realm vnto himself though he were illegitimate and vncapable therof and to the name and the blood of the Stewards But when he saw and throughly perceaued and wel knew that the Queene was fully minded and earnestly bent and had now determined to ioyne her self in ma●●ge with the Lorde Darley he practised meanes by his afsistance and procurements to haue slayne him and his father and to haue imprisoned her at Lochleuen and to haue vsurped the gouernement himselfe as he now doth But now when he saw this his intent and purpose disclosed and preuented and that the solemnization of the mariage was already past he shewed himself with his adherents in open field and in armes against the Queene his Maistresse Whervpon he was dr●●en to flee into England At which his there abode he instantly solicited and besought for aide against his Souereigne which was worthely denied him Then beganne he to practise with the Earle Morton by his letters and messengers about the derestable slaughter of Dauid the Queenes Secretarie who by their mischienous sleights and craftie persuasions indueed the Lorde Darley promising him to remoue the Quene from the medling with al politike affaires and actually to put him i● possession of the Croune and of the rule and gouernement of the Realme to ioyn● with them in this traiterous conspiracie against the Queene his moste deare and louing wife and moste dreade Soueregne Wherevpon the murther was in most horrible and traiterous wise committed in the Queenes owne chamber of Presence vpon him violently plucked from the Quene she also being cruelly manaced and sore threatned hauing also a charged pistolet set to her belly being then greate with childe and then remoued from her priuie chamber into an other where she was kepte as prisoner The yong vnexpert and rash Lord Darley who being blinded with outragious ambition could not forsee the diuelish drifte of these craftie merchants beganne now but almost to late to espie it and seeing him selfe as nigh the danger as was his wife the Queene repaired to her moste humbly asking her pardon of his heinous attempt and pitifully crieng out to her to prouide and finde out some present way to preserue them selues both Who by the Quenes politike industrie was priuily with her selfe conueied away out of the Rebelles danger and by him this wicked drift and the driuers and contriuers thereof were discouered to the Queene But lo the next day after this slaughter the Earle Murray entred into Scotland and repaired to the Queene with as faire a coūtenance as though he had ben cleare aswel for that fact as for alother treasons Wherof the gentle and merciful Queene pardoned him admitting him againe into her Graces loue and fauor Wherat the L. Darley much misliking and vehemently repining feared that he would be as he was in dede whē he saw his time reuenged vpō him by cause he was of him detected to the Quene for being one and the chiefe of the counsailers aiders and assisters in the conspiracie about the murther of the Secretarie now committed These and the like imaginations so depely sanke into and pearced the yong mans harte that he finally resolued with himself by one meanes or other to ridde the Earle Murray out of the way Whereabout he went so farre forth that he cōmunicated his purpose to the Quene who did most highly mislike therewith and most vehemently deterre him from the said his intēt Yet did he brea● the matter farther as to certain other nobl● nien by whome at the last it was reueale● to the 〈◊〉 arle Murray Wherfore the Ear● did continually after beare him a deadly enmitie and hatred Wherevpon at length al other attempts failing him this execrabl● murther was by him the said Earle Murray and by the Earle Murton first deuised an● afterward in such strange and heynous fort as the worlde knoweth and detesteth most horribly practised and put in execution What peraduenture some man wil say of al the men in the worlde the Earle Murray is farthest of from al manner of spot and finister suspicion touching this matter For he was not at the Court when this murthe● was committed and when the Queene was apprehēded he was out of Scotlād and who did driue out of Scotlād the Earle Bothwel but the Earle Murray Who is he that hath taken so much paines and trauaile to boult and find out and execute such as were cu●pable therein but the Earle Murray In deede for his bodily presence at the deede doing I wil nothing affirme he must ●eld the price thereof to his companion the ●arle Bothwel He must be contented for ●s share with the preeminence and preroat●ue of his special deadly foade towarde the Lorde Darley and preposterous policie ●nd witte so closely and so smothly to con●ey and compasse it and beare out with so greate countenance so heinous a facte and ●o reward him self for his paines taken ther●n with the extrusion of his Maistresse and Queene and intrusion of him self though absent to the regiment and gouernment of the whole Realme This this I say may
then shal we with our children after vs reape the pleasant fruites of this noble cōiunctiō wrought thus to our hādes by Gods good and gratious prouidence without expense force or slaughter which hitherto a numbre of our courageous wise and mightie Princes haue this thousand yeares and vpward sought for but in vaine as yet with so excessiue charges with so great paines and with so many and maine Armies and with the blood of so many of their subiectes Then shal we most fortunately see and most gloriously inioye a perfect and entier Monarchy of this I le of Britanie or Albion vnited and incorporated after a most merueilous sort and in the worthie and excellēt person of a Prince mete and capable of such a monarchie As in whose person by side her worthy noble and princely qualities not only the roial and vnspotted blood of the auncient and noble Kings of Scotlād but of the Normans and of th' English Kings withal as wel long before as sithēce the Cōquest yea and of the Britaine 's also the most auncient inhabitants and Lords of this Iland do wōderfully and as it were euen for such a notable purpose by the great prouidence of God most happily concurre The euident trueth whereof the said Queenes petigrue doth most plainly and openly set foorth to euery mans sight and eye Then I say may this noble Realme and Iland be called not Albion only but rather Olbion that is fortunate happy and blessed Which happy and blessed coniunction when it chaūceth if we vnthankfully refuse we refuse our health and welfare and Gods good blessing vpon vs we refuse our dewty to God who sendeth our dewty to the partie whom he sendeth and our dewty to our natiue Coūtrey to whom he sendeth such a person to be our Maistresse And such commodities and honour withal comming therby as I haue said to whole Albiō as a greater we cannot wishe And finally we shal procure and purchase as much as in vs lieth such disturbance of the common-wealth such vexatiōs troubles and warres as may tende to the vtter subuersion of this Realme from which dangers God of his great and vnspeakable mercie defend and pre serue vs. FINIS Hos tres libros à viris Catholicis ijsque eruditissimis lectos examinatos intellecto ab ijsdem librorum argumento vnà cum editionis necessarijs causis iudicaui meritò edendos esse Actum Louanij 6. Martij 1571. Thomas Gozaeus à Bellomonte sacrae Theologiae Professor authoritate Pontificis librorum approbator Errata Libri secundi Fol. Pa. Lin. Errata Correction 4 2 16 Ad And 10 1 18 vvorlde vvorde 11 2 14 good goodes 28 2 17 Bblach Blanch. 32 1 3 in Chauncerie In the Chauncerie 53 2 16 landes and testamentes lādes and tenemētes 58 2 24 laufully neece laufull neece 64 2 5 unto heires unto the heires 66 2 27 be produced be procured 67 1 17 put out vvrongfully Errata Libri tertij 9 1 2 Salomon Salmon 9 1 5 fasly safely 15 2 22 father Constantinus father Constantius Mē should be rather prone to absolue then to cōdemne It is nothing like that the Queene vvould haue sought the destruction of the Lord Darley by these meanes vvhen she might haue opēly put him to death by Iustice The Q. contrary to minde of her Nobles came into England The Q. enemies lay to her discord vvith the Lorde Darley vvhereof they vvere the authours The Q. vvas fully reconciled to the L. Darley before his death The adueriaties charge the Q vvith their ovvne vvicked deuises The Q. moued by them to make a diuorse vvith the L. Darley The accusation touching letters lent by her to the Earle Bothevvel The vnlikely tale of the Earle Both vvelles letters surmised to be sent to Master Balfoure In case the su●mised letters vvere sent by the Q they can make no good prouf against her L. sin e d● Probat What exquisite proufes be re quired in criminal causes The surmi sed letters neither haue superscriptiō of the vvriter nor subscription neitherany date neither signed nor sealed and the beater neuer knovvē He that vvas the surmised bearer at his death denied the same An easy thing to coūterfeit a mans hande These letters vvere fained and contriued by the Queenes Aduersaries An ansvver to the Aduersaries obiectiōs that the Queene did not mourne the death of the L. Darley L. Liberor ff de his qui notantur inf The consideration mouing ▪ or rather forcing the Quene to this pretensed m● riage The Aduersaries declaratiō before the Commissioners of England The causes that the Rebelles pretended at the beginning Ansvvere to the first The Lord Grange promised vpō his knees obedience in al the Rebelles names The Q. imprisoned at Lochleuē The Q. thretned to be ●id avvay if she vvould not renoūce her Croune The ansvvere to the secōd The Quenes ene mies dimissed the Earle Both vvel vvhē thei might haue takē him The Quenes enemies boūd by their haud vvriting to obey the E●le Bothvvel if he matied the Q. An ansvvere to the third The Prīce if he vvere at age vvold not like the en●mies doinges against his mother He vvas vnlavvfully crouned Why the confirmation of the Rebelles doinges made by an acte of Parlament is nothing vvorth The incōstancy of the Queenes enemies first pretēding before the Counsaile of Englād her voluntary dimission of the Croune and after vvard that she vvas deposed A strange doctrine of Maister knoxe against vvo mans Gouernment The Quenes enemies fondly triumph of their victory against her true subiectes In case the Queene vvere culpable yet are her enemies procedigs vnlavvful It is not inough to do a good thing vnlesse it be vvel done The lavv geueth exceptions to the Defendant against the Iudges the Accusers and vvitnesses C. Qui accusat non po L. Iniquum l. fin L. qui accusat ff de accusa A good argument that the Queene by cōpulsion dimissed the Croune The Duke Robert of Scotland Exceptiōs most iust against the Queenes accusers 〈…〉 ly against the Earle of Murray The great benefits emploied by the Q. vpon the said Earle He vvent about to entaile the Croune of the Realm to him self and the Stevvardes His tebell●● against the Q●ene His cōspiracy vvith them that slevve the Secretatie Dauid A charged pistilet set to the Queenes belly The Q. by her industrie cōueied her selfe avvay vvith the L. Darley The cause vvhy the Earle Murray hated the Lorde Darley The cause vvhy the Enemies did impute the slaughter to the Q. The vvorking of Murray in the time of his absence Murray and Mortō the heades of the cōspiracy against the L. Darley 2. Machab. 3. 4. Hect Boet. Lib. 11. The Earle of Murray resembled to Dunvvaldus that procured the slaughter of King Duffus in Scotland Idem li. 16. The like pa●te plaid by Duke Robert in Scotland The Earle Murray ād his felovves being driuen frō al other shiftes at lēgth laied to their Quene
hauing and following of this law as we haue said vnlesse to omitte other thinges ye would bind our Kinges also to receaue the Deuteronomie at the hāds of the Leuitical Tribe as that ye say that God gaue here a lawe to the Iewes to make or choose a King and so consequently al your illations out of this place seeme to be of smal force For to say the trueth as God neither gaue them this or any other lawe for choosing of a King nor did bid or will them to choose a King so did the people most greeuously offend God in demanding a King. For though by the iudgement of Aristotle and other Philosophers Monarchie wel and orderly vsed is the best kinde of al other Regiments which God doth also wel like yet would he haue no such magistrate among the Iewes But as he chose them for his propre peculier and selecte people and ruled them as wel in the Desert as in Iudea by a seueral peculier and distinct order and Gouernement from other Nations and after suche wonderful and miraculous sort as the like was neuer harde of in any Regiment by sides so would he also reserue to him selfe only the said Supremacie and Monarchie Neither was he a litle angrie with the Iewes nor they committed any smal fault but as it were renounced and reiected Gods owne Monarchie in crauing a King as holy Scripture plainely and openly testifiet Non●ie inquit reiecerunt sed me ne regnem super eos And the people afterwardes acknowledged their fault Addidimus vniuersis peccatis nostris malum vt peteremus nobu Regem God therefore did not bidde them or wil them to choose a King but forknowing long before by his eternall forsight what they would do though contrarie to his blessed wil and pleasure did in this as in other matters beare with their weakenes and condescended vnto the same and fortold them in the said 17. Chapter that in case they would needes haue a King of what kind and sort he should be And therefore immediatly before the wordes that ye recite thou shalt make him a King ouer them is this texte Cum ingressus fuer is terram quam Dominus Deus dabit tibi possederis illam hab●●auerisque in illa dixeris constituam super me Regem sicut habent omnes per circuitum Nationes ●um constitues c. And when thou shalt come into the lād which the Lord thy God geueth thee and shalt possesse yea and dwel therein if thou say I wil set a King ouer me like as all the Nations that are about me then thou shalt make him King ouer thee whome c. Whiche wordes making for the illustratiō of this place ye haue omitted Wherfore as this place serueth nothing for any absolute election of a King the second which you seeme especially to regard and ground your selfe vpon so doth it as we haue shewed as litle relieue you to prooue therby your conclusions especially against the ordinarie successiō either of a straūger or of a woman that ye would gather and conclude out of the same Thus haue we sufficiently answered the place of Deuteronomie for this one purpose Th' other two autorities may be much more easely answered The people meant nothing els by their said wordes spoken to Dauid but that they were the seede of Abraham Isaac and Iacob as wel as he and intended with true and sincere hartes vnfainedly to agnise him as their chiefe Lord and Soueraigne For at that time the Tribe of Iuda only whereof King Dauid came by lineal descent did acknowledge him as king Now the residue which before helde with Saules sonne did also incorporate and vnite themselues to the said kingdome If this man looke wel vpon the matter he shal find I trowe that the Queene of Scotland may as wel cal her selfe the bones and fleshe of the Noble Princes of England as this people cal them selues the bones and sheshe of King Dauid But yet the great terrible battering Cannon Athalia is behind She being in possessession of the kingdome seuen yeares was iustly thrust out by cause she was an Alien We may then saith this man iustly denie the Queene of Scotland the right of that which if she had in possession she should not iustly enioy Yet Sir if the Queene of Scotland be no Alien as we haue said then is your Cannon shot more feareful then dangerous We deny not but that Athalia was lawfully deposed but we beseche you to tell vs your Authours name that doth assigne the cause to be suche as you alleage Surely for my part after diligent searche I finde no such Authour Trueth is it that Iosephus writeth as ye doe that she descended by the mothers side of the Tyrians and Sidonians yet neuerthelesse he assigneth no such cause as ye doe And as ye are in this your preatie poisoned pamflet the first I trow of al Christian men I wil not except either Latin or Greke vnlesse it be some fantastical fonde and new vpstart Doctour as M. Knoxe or some the like neither Iew Chaldee nor Arabian that hath thus straungely glosed and deformed this place of holie Scripture against the ordinarie succession of women Princes so are you the first also of all other Diuines or Lawiers throughout the world that hath set forth this new fonde foolishe lawe that the Kings childe must be counted an Alien whose father and mother are not of the same and one Coūtrie If the French or Spanish King chaunce to mar●e an English woman or the King of England to marie a French a Spanish or any other Country woman their Children by this new Lycurgus are Aliens and so consequently in al other Nations al such are haue ben and shal be Aliēs by this your new oracle For what other cause shew you that this Athalia was an Alien but by cause her mother was an Alien genus ducēs say you à Tyrijs Sydo●iis coming by lineal descent by the mothers side from the Tyrians and Sydonians King Achas maried her mother doughter to Ithobal King of the said Tyrians and Sydonians This Athalia whom Iosephus cal leth Gotholio Achas daughter maried Iorā King of uda her brother called also Ioram being king of Israel after the decease of his father Achas So then ye see that this Athalia was nomore an Alien among the Iewes then ●●ing Edbalde Baldus was the sonne of Bertha a Frēch womā and of King Ethelbertus the first Christian King of th' English nation no more then was the noble King Edward the third borne of a French woma ●more then Queene Marie was no more ●en should haue bene the issue of the said Q. Marie in case she had had any by the king ●f Spaine I perceaue that your felowes that ●ould faine make King Stephen King Hē●e the second and Arthur Neuew to King ●ichard the first Aliens had but rude dul ●nd grosse heades in comparison of