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A64922 A view of the differences between France and Spain in which is shown the present posture of the affaires of Europe· English't by a person of honour.; Judicious vievv of the businesses which are at this time between France and the house of Austria. Person of honour. 1684 (1684) Wing V362C; ESTC R222550 100,105 246

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the Meek an 843. when the River of Scaldis being set as a limit of that which belonged to Lothary the Emperour on the one side and Charles le Chauve on the other that Country remained within the partage of the last who was King of France and containes a great extent of Land beyond the River of Somme near the Rivers of Scaldis and Lis butting upon the Ocean And because all that Country was full of Wood which made it be called Sylva Carbonaria Charlemagne about the yeare 771. placed there a Governour whom he called the great Forester of Flanders So also were his successors called and were not very considerable The first that erected this Country into a County was Charles le Chauve an 850. or thereabouts The first Count was Baldwin surnamed Bras de fer or Iron-arm for his great exploits against the Normans then barbarous and infidels who coming from the North infested those coasts both by Sea and Land This Baldwin stole away Iudith Daughter to Charles le Chauve and widow to an English King which action at the first moved Charles to a great wrath and hatred against him But Iudith having appeased her Father and Baldwin being very necessary for the defence of those Countries against the Normans he recovered the Kings Grace and it was upon that reconciliation that he was made Count of Flanders So that Baldwin is the head of that house of Flanders and Artois which then were but one Province 1. All that Country remained thus united in one County till the year 1180. when Philip August King of France married Isabella Daughter of Baldwin the IV. Count of Hainaut and Namur and of Margaret of Flanders For Philip of Alsatia Count of Flanders uncle to Margaret to shew his joy for that high alliance gave her the Country of Artois consisting in the Towns of Arras Bapaume Saint Omer Aire Hesdin and some others which Philip August enjoyed and his Sons after him till Lewis the VIII gave the Country of Artois to his third Son Robert for whose sake his brother St Lewis erected the same into a County of which this Robert did him homage and that house of Artois was a Royal house for a long time after Thus Flanders and Artois had their severall Counts and Lords as most of the other seventeen Provinces of Netherlands 2. King Iohn of France having given to his fourth Son Philip the Dutchy of Burgundy because he loved him dearly he procured a great marriage for him matching him with Margaret of Flanders only Daughter of Lewis the III. Count of Flanders and of Margaret of Brahant That Princess was held the richest march of Europe for she was Heir not onely of the Counties of Flanders Burgundy Artois Nevers Retel and other great Lordships but was also apparent Heir from her great Aunt by her Mothers side of the Dutchies of Brabant Lothier Limburg and the Marquesat of Antwerp That alliance made an 1356. was the beginning of the greatness of the house of Burgundy For that Philip and his three successors Iohn Philip and Charles united all these great States which afterwards fell into the House of Austria by marriage as we have represented before 3. Although the propriety of those two Provinces Flanders and Artois came to the House of Austria by the match of Mary of Burgundy with Maximilian the pretences of the Crowne of France upon that propriety being quitted by the reddition of the Towne of Arras an 1435. Yet the soveraignty thereof hath remained with the French Kings untill the Cessions by them made of the same by severall Treaties of which the first was that of Madrid That soveraignty is proved by seven Reasons The first is The homages which the Counts have alwaies payed to the Kings of France for these Counties and the investitures which they have taken from them of the same The second That the Kings of France have judged of the Counts of Flanders as Soveraigns and given them Lawes The third That they decided of peace and war in Flanders even against the will of the Counts The fourth That they have given grace to Flemmings as their Soveraigns and punisht them of their rebellions The fifth That it was especially promis'd and agreed that the Flemmings should resort to the Parliament of Paris The sixth That the Kings of France have protected as Soveraignes the Counts of Flanders The seventh That they have confiscated the County for Felony Briefly the Kings of France have exercised all Acts of Soveraignty in Flanders and Artois a thing never brought in question or denyed before Charles the V. who being promoted to the Empire and fallen to great Wars against Francis the I. was delinquent in that duty and obtained the cession of that right by divers Treaties 4. It is then a known truth that Flanders and Artois did belong to the Soveraignty of France and that the question is onely whether the cession made at Madrid was just and valid Upon which the French say 1. That Charles the V being born a subject of France at Gant in the County of Flanders committed the crime of Felony by his Wars against his Soveraign whom also he took and kept prisoner which was often upbraided to him yea a sentence of the Parliment of Paris intervened against him whereby he is deprived of his Lordships depending of the Crown of France for crime of Felony so that being a Felon against his Soveraigne he had no right either to treat with him when he kept him prisoner nor any way oblige him 2. The cession made by the Treaty of Madrid was invalid by the Law of Nations as done by a man kept in prison 3. That cession made at Madrid and in other Treaties is null by the fundamentall Laws of France which prohibit the alienation of the Soveraign rights of the Crown especially without the consent of the States Generall who never ratified all those Treaties And in effect the Parliaments by their sentences the Peers of the Kingdom by their Votes and all the learned and judicious by their discourses have condemned those Treaties And to this day the Flemmings and Artesians are accounted Regnicolae and have no need of letters of Naturalization CHAP. IV. Wars Agreements Treaties between the houses of France and Austria about their pretences from the Treaty of Arras to that of Vervins WE have seen how by the History and by Reason the two Houses of France and Austria will ground their several pretences As the differences between private persons beget suits in Law which end in the sentence of a Court so the jealousies between these two great houses have begot Wars which haue ended in Treaties Yet so that the Wars have begun afresh after These Wars have been many especially since the promotion of Charles the V to the Empire an 1519. For the Kings of France who without contradiction had the precedence before all Christian Monarches were grieved to see a Count of Flanders and an Heir of the house
successively Dukes of Burgundy This last was Grandfather to Philip the last Duke who ended the masuline line But that Robert the II. had three Daughters besides Margaret wife to King Lewis Hutin whence came the house of Navarra Jane wife to King Philip de Valois and mother to King John and Mary wife to Edward Count of Bar. They say then that after the death of Philip the last Duke King John took that Dutchy by the right of his mother Jane which right he transported to his Son Philip le Hardy without any mention of masculine apanage wherby they will have it evident that femals may inherit it 8. Against that pretended right which was very much disputed in the Treaty of Madrid the French have strong exceptions The first is That from the time of Philip de Valois within which that gift was made no Son of France had any great Apanage but with that restriction against which whatsoever King John may have said or done and he was a very imprudent and rash man he could do no valuable deed to the detriment of the State or against the fundamental Lawes The second Reason is That since we see by the example of Hugh the IV. that females are excluded from that succession we must acknowledge that John did not succeed by right of his mother but as King receiving an apanage devolved unto him The third Reason is That King John was not the next Heir in blood for by proximity of blood the children of the eldest Daughter which was Margaret wife to King Lewis Hutin should have succeeded not King John who was Son to the second Now that succession fell when that wicked man Charles King of Navarra Grandchild to that Margaret was in his strength who if there had beene any life in that title would not have failed to have set it up for Burgundy was better then all his Navarra and the rest of his estate And yet that stirring man did not stirre that point or it was so slightly that he left off presently but hotly pursued a recompence for the Counties of Champagne and Brie which by right belonged to his mother Jane Daughter to Lewis Hutin Sonne to Jane Countess of Champagne and Brie Queen of Navarra wife to Philip le Bel. By all this it is evident that the Dutchy of Burgundy was setled upon Phillip le Hardy his Son in the nature of a true masculine apanage Paragraphe IV. Of the Towns of Metz Thoul and Verdun By the partage so famous among the Sons of Lewis the Meek an 843. it is certaine that all that was beyond the River Mosa towards Germany was cut off from that which retained the name of Kingdome of France and that these three Towns remained Imperiall But Mosa being the bound of these two States the Empire and the Kingdome yet by an infinity of Warres Usurpations and Treaties that bound and other limits between the two States were often changed In the time of the weakness and declination of the House of Charlemagne most part of the Cities and Lordships of the Empire did canton themselves and made themselves particular Dominions under the protection of the Empire and some remained free others were subjected to especial Lords some Lay some Ecclesiastical All these make up now the great body of the Empire Of that nature were these three Towns Metz Thoul and Verdun upon which the French Kings pretended no right till the time of Henry the II. An. 1550. the Protestants of Germany called Henry the II. to their help against the Emperour Charles the V. Henry sent them great Auxiliary forces by Ann de Montmorency Constable of France who in his way seized upon Thoul and Verdun put Garrisons into them to assure the passage of the French Forces into Germany The Government of Thoul was given to Monsieur d'Esclavoles Lieutenant of the company of the Duke of Guise And Charles Cardinall of Lorrain was restored to his Lordship annext to the Bishoprick of Verdun the King retaining the soveraignty for himselfe which he thought he could lawfully doe because the Lord of it was his subject and had an estate in France and because the Emperour was his declared enemy whose Estate he might invade In the same expedition the Constable seized on the City of Metz which the Emperour Charles the V. besieged towards the end of the yeare 1551. but in vain since which time the French have enjoyed these three Cities yet finding their right somewhat weak they used it at the first with great moderation calling themselves only Guardians and Protectors of the same till Lewis the XIII caused them to be altogether incorporated with France and in them hath establisht a soveraign Court of Parliament Indeed these three Townes have of long continuance been Imperial and being got by subtilty upon pretence of the surety of the passage the right of the French Kings in them should be much more disputable then in many other places as themselves have confest in many of their instructions for the generall Treaties Yet it may be said for the French that Henry the II. took them as his enemies estate when he made War against the Emperour That the Emperour never made since any stipulation for the restitution of them in any Treaty That the rights of the Empire on this side of Rhine are so vanisht and lost that the Countries seem now to be primum occupanti That Holland also Lorraine Switzerland Savoy Franch County Daulphinée Provence were Imperiall Lands and yet all these are slipt from the Empire by a prescription grounded upon the weakness and neglect of the old Soveraigne Also that the French Kings at the first declared themselves onely Protectors and Guardians of these Towns which if afterwards they have incorporated to their State it was by the consent of the people seeing themselves deserted and neglected by the Empire Finally in that point the French think they may use the right of Represals And that if the Emperour and the House of Austria should do them right about all their pretences there would be some reason why the Emperour should be contented about these Towns Paragraphe V. Of the Towns on the River of Somme and other contained in the Treaty of Arras The four Dukes of the last House of Burgundy were Philip le Hardy John Philip le Bon and Charles John after the death of his Father Philip le Hardy an 1404. caused great troubles in the State of France and caused his Cousin German Lewis Duke of Orleans to be slain an 1407. whence sprung those great Divisions and Wars between those two Houses of which the Histories are full That John was slain at Montereau foult-Ronne by the command of Charles the Dolphin an 1419. His Son Philip de Bon pursued with great power and eagernesse the vengeance of that death made league with the English and distressed very much the Kingdom of France In the end seeing himself ill used by the English he grew weary of their
alliance and ashamed of the harm which he had done to his Country Being then contented to agree with the King he met with him at Arras An. 1435. This was called the Treatie of Arras a fundamentall piece of the History of that age and the following By that Treaty after that King Charles the VII in as little dishonorable termes as might be had asked pardon for the killing of Duke John when he was Dolphin they agreed about many other Articles and the King gave many pieces belonging to the Crown The chief were these 1. He transported to the Duke and to his Heirs lawfully begotten the Towns and jurisdictions of Peronne Roye Mondidier to hold them by homage from the Crown and in Title of Peerdom to depend of the Court of Parliament of Paris 2. The County of Artois was restored unto him on the same Title with all the impositions amounting to fourteeen thousand Livers per an But of the rights of France upon the County of Artois we shall speak hereafter 3. He transported to the said Duke the Towns of Saint Quintin Corbi Amiens Abbeville Dourlans Saint Riquier Crevecoeur and all the other Towns Castles and Lordships seated upon the River of Somme on both sides together with the County of Ponthien and other Lands adjacent to the County of Flanders and Lands of the Empire All these Towns Castles and Lordships redeemable with the sum of 400000 Crowns Upon that Treaty all these Towns were delivered to the duke of Burgundy and all the time of Charles the VII nothing was altered in this agreement Lewis the XI came to the Crown An. 1461. who being unthankfull and malicious although he had great obligations to the house of Burgundy yet as soon as he came to the Crown he conceived a great aversion against Charles Count of Charolois Son and Heir to Philip le Bon and would recover all those pawned Lordships arguing the Treaty of Arras of nullity and invalidity maintaining that his Father could not alienate so many pieces belonging to the State against the fundamentall Laws To disingage these Lands he laid great impositions upon the people till he had raised the four hundred thousand Crownes which he caused to be brought to Abbeville and delivered unto the Duke who soon after delivered all those places unto him Charles Count of Charolois took that so heavily that he almost died for sorrow and conceived a mortall hatred against the Lord of Crovi whom he accused to have advised his Father to it And it was one of the causes of the War of the publique good which having been carried with various successe till the Treaty of Conflans near Paris 1465 the fourth Article whereof was that the King should give again to the Count of Charolois all the Townes seated upon the River of Somme lately redeemed with 400000. Crowns to enjoy them all his life time and besides that should give him the County of Guines for himself and his Heirs for ever This Charles who was since Duke of Burgundy enjoyed these Lands though not without Wars and Divisions against Lewis the XI Finally Charles being dead before Nancy An. 1477. Lewis the XI did suddenly invade the Dutchy of Burgundy as a masculin apanage returning to the Crown and all the Townes upon the River of Somme which the French have kept ever since Neither can the house of Austria pretend any just right to them as Heir of the house of Burgundy both because Charles the VII had not power to alienate these parts of his State as his Son Lewis the XI alledged and because all these Townes had been alienated upon condition of redemption with a certain sum which was paid by Lewis the XI unto the Duke Philip. And if they were restored to the Count of Charolois it was for his life onely Wherefore Lewis did not seize upon them but after the death of Charles At which time also he took Arras of which we will speak hereafter Paragraphe VI. Of the Dutchy of Britain The right of the house of Austria to the Dutchy of Britain hath more ground then any of the former and gave matter to many disputes especially in the time of the League the King of Spain Philip the II. representing the rights of his Daughter Isabella both to the Kingdom and especially to that Dutchy And when the Duke of Mercoeur who had cantonned himselfe in it finding himself too weak to maintain his own pretence to it which was upon another ground threatned to give entrance to the Spaniards into the Dutchy La Guesle the Kings Atturney Generall made a long speech to defend the Kings right of which the summary is this 1. That Francis the II. the last Duke of Britain dying An. 1488. left two daughters Anna and Isabella The second died young The eldest Anne had the whole succession and was married first to Charles the VIII of France by whom though she had many children none outlived the Father Who being dead she was married with his successour Lewis the XII by whom she had two Daughters Claude married to Francis the I. who by her had Henry the II who was Father to three Kings Francis the II. Charles the IX Henry the III. and to Francis Duke of Alanson all which left no issue He was Father also of Elizabeth the Third Wife of Philip the II. King of Spain who by her had the Infanta Isabella Wife to Archiduke Albert and Princess of the Low-Countries died An. 1633 and Catherine Dutchesse of Savoy 2. By the death of Henry the III all the masculine Race of Valois was extinct and the next Heir of that house was Infanta Isabella daughter to Elizabeth the eldest Sister of Henry the III. So if there was any Estate in that house inheritable by women it belonged to Isabella without question Philip the II dealing for his daughter after he was once satisfied that his pretence to the Crown of France in her behalfe was ridiculous asked that at least the Dutchy of Britain should be restored to her as the Estate which her great Grandmother Anne of Britain had brought to Lewis the XII an Estate which often had past to Females saying as it was true that she was the next in blood To these allegations these answers are given 1. That the Dutchy of Britain had been inserapably united w th the Crown by the coming of Henry the II. to the Crown for it is a fundamentall rule among the French that a King coming to the Crown uniteth unto the same all his Estate both Paternall and Maternall 2. Besides that tacit and municipall right to which all contrary pretence must yield there was an expresse union made An. 1532. at the request of the States Generall of Britain by Francis the I. upon condition that the Dolphin should take the Title of Dolphin of Viennois Duke of Britain which was then practised in the person of the Dolphin Francis but was since neglected That authenticall union of Britain with the Crown cannot
the XII had made a little before he died 2. His next work was the Conquest of the Dutchy of Milan He passeth into Italie and wins the battail of Marignan in Piemont against the Switzers who had undertaken to maintain Maximilian Sforza in his new possession of Milan which they had got for him He gets Milan Maximilian Sforza yields himself to him for a Pension of threescore thousand Crowns and retires himself into France This was the third time that the French had got Milan of the Sforzas 3. Francis and Charles being both young and ambitious it could not be expected that they should long live in peace because Charles being born a subject to France kept Navarra which the house of Albret had lost for adhering to France Then Ferdinand had expelled the French out of Naples wrongfully say they This Ferdinand died an 1516. and Charles inherited all these great States exalted to the height of greatnesse wanting nothing but the Empire and Austria which his Grandfather Maximilian left him by his death three years after In the birth of these two eminent powers which have cost so much blood and tears to the Christian world before they had conceived that great hatred which was between them after the Deputies of both sides met at Noyon and this was called the Treaty of Noyon an 1516 where it was concluded that Francis should yield all his rights in the Kingdom of Naples for a yearly pension of a hundred thousand Crowns 2. That Charls then called the Archiduke should marry Lovise the eldest daughter of Francis instead of Renee sister to the Queen Claude 3. That the Archduke should restore the Kingdome of Navarra to Henry Son to John d' Albret or in defect of it that he should otherwise content him within six months The King and the Archduke swore that Treaty and give the one to the other the order of Knighthood The King that of St. Michael the Archduke that of the Golden Fleece made an alliance for ever and to confirme it promist to have an interview at Cambray But Ferdinand being dead soon after Charles made hast to passe into Spain to take possession of his Estates and neglected the Articles of Noyon especially the restitution of Navarra 4. Yet for three years after nothing was stirred on either side because Martin Luther having alarmed all Europe with his Doctrine the Pope Leo the X procured a generall truce for five years among all Princes But Maximilian the Emperonr being dead an 1519. and Charles being increased with the inheritance of Austria and the Title of Emperour Francis the I. conceived a great indignation that a vassall of his should have been preferred before him to the Empire whcih he had been a suitour for with great earnestnesse which jealousie would never suffer these two Princes to agree 5. Each of them had a great Minister of State by their persons Francis had Artus Gouffier Sieur de Boissi Great Master of France Charles had been bred by Guillaume de Crovy Sieur de Ceures whom Lewis the XII had recommended to him These two foreseeing the misfortune which the ambition of these two Princes was drawing upon Christendom resolved to meet to make a peace and alliance for ever Montpelier was the place chosen for that meeting But as soon as Boissi was come and began to treat with Ceures he fell into a fever and died leaving that great work imperfect which no body since was able to finish Paragraphe III. From the death of Maximilian an 1519. to the Treaty of Madrid an 1525. By the death of the Emperour Maximilian Charles was made possessour of Austria and the Empire being possest before of the Inheritances of Burgundy Arragon and Castilia A greatnesse which swelled his mind and made him loose his respect to Francis Hee complained that Francis had taken Claude from him the eldest daughter of Lewis the XII which was promist to him Francis redemanded Navarra Naples and the homages for the Counties of Flanders and Artois which Charles took to be too low for the quality of an Emperour Charles also complained that the Dutchy of Burgundy the Patrimony of his Grandmother Mary was kept from him and the Dutchy of Milan belonging to the Sforzas and to the Empire The great fire of War which lasted forty years between these two houses brake our upon a very slender occasion Robert de la March Duke of Bovillon adjudgd by the Peers of his Dutchy which pretend themselves to be Soveraigns the Town of Hierges in Ardennes to the Prince of Chimay of the house of Crovi against the Lord d' Esmeries to whom the Emperour gave a writ of relief although Robert pretended the judgement of his Peeres to be Soveraign Robert incensed against the Emperour made his addresse to Francis the I and offered him his service The King received him courteously yet forbad his subjects to assist him not willing to break with the Emperour But Robert proud to have the protection of France denounceth Warre to the Emperour who was then at Wormes to pacifie the troubles rising in Germany about Luther and attempts to surprise some places in Luxemburg But the Emperour presently seizeth upon the Estate of that little Prince and constrains him to ask him pardon reproaching Francis in an odious manner for receiving his rebellious subject About the same time Francis upon the inexecution of the Treaty of Noyon Charles refusing to make restitution of Navarra to Henry d' Albret took the quarrell of that dispossessed Prince and sent Andrew de Foix Lord de Esparre brother to Monsieur de Lautre into Navarra where the French did some exploit at the first but were soon repelled by the Spaniards Charles taketh that enterprise for an infraction of the peace between the two houses though it was but a succour given to a confederate of France to prosecute his rights He makes great preparatives of war makes Leo the X break w th France joyn with him promising that after the Conquest of Milan he would give to the Church the Townes of Parma and Placentia members of that Dutchy to which the Popes had some old pretence Such was the origine of the first War between Francis and Charles an 1521. The first three or four yeares there were great exploits in Champagne in Navarra in Provence and in the Dutchy of Milan In Tierasche the Emperour took Mouzon and besieged Mezieres which Anne de Mommorency who since was Constable of France and Chevalier Bayard defended bravely And Francis took Bapaume and Landrecy from the Emperour and gave him the Chase In Navarra the French had advanced but little in the years 1519. and 1520. But in the year 1521. the Admirall of Bonnivet besieged Fontarabie and took it and made Monsieur du Lude Governour of the same who being besieged a whole year by the Spaniards defended it with great valour till la Palisse since Marshall of France made them forsake the Siege But Frauget an old Captain being
That honour was seen by the place where they sate by the Censer and by the Pax which was given them in the time of the Mass Now whereas this Councill was held at three severall times under there several Popes Paul the III Jule the III and Pius the IV. In the time of Paul and Jule Charles the V was Emperour whose Embassadors without contradiction sat above the French Embassadors who in the sixteen first Sessions appeared very little and no place was held there under the title of Spain Yet some things hapned then which shewed the eminency of the French Kings above all others next to the Emperour In the Bull of the Indiction of the Councill Paul the III dated an 1542. the King of France is named after the Emperour in express terms and all the other Princes comprehended in one generall term and that twice Thus Charissimos in Christo filios nostros Carolum Romanorum Imperatorem Christianissimum Regem Franciscum duo praecipua Christiani nomins firmamenta atque fulcra orare atque obsecrare institimus A little lower Supra autem dictos Imperatorem Regemque Christianissimum nec non caeteros Reges Duces Principes quorum praesentia si aliàs unquam hoc quidem tempore maximè sanctissimae Christi fidei Christianorum futura est salutaris rogantes atque obsecrantes per viscera misericordiae Dei c. In the beginning of the Council an 1545. Francis the I had appointed for his Embassadors Claude D'Urfé Seneschal of Forests Jacques de Liguieres President in the third Chamber of Enquests in the Parliament of Paris and the Deane Peter Danes since Bishop de la Vaur But being informed by some French Bishops that were at Trent that there was little hope that the Councell should do any good he called back his Embassadors who did not appear in the Councel Antony Filioly of Ganat Archbishop of Aix in Provence was there for the King who in the first Session when publike prayers were made for the Princes having required that the King of France should be named in expresse termes as he had been named in the Bull of the Indiction the Legats eluded that demand and said that the Fathers ought to be consulted about it and none was prayed for in expresse termes but the Pope and the Emperour all other Princes were comprehended in one generall term In the year 1546. Francis the I sent his Embassadour Peter Danes Bishop de la Vaur to the Councill At his reception he made a sine speech wherein he represented the State of Christendom and the great disorders crept into the Church even into the Court of Rome At which when a certaine Bishop did laugh saying Gallus Cantat Danes replyed readily Utinam isto gallicinio Petrus ad resipiscontiam fletum excitetur An Apophthegm which afterwards was rife in the mouth of the Fathers of the Councill An. 1547. when Paul the III to avoid the plague the war of Germany would remove the Councill from Trent to Bolonia the Legates consulting the Fathers about it said that his Holinesse approved of it Communicato etiam consilio cum Imperatore Christianissimo Rege aliis Regibus ac principibus Christianis which is another expression of the honour which the Council did to the Kings of France But in the third Indiction of the Councill under Pius the IV. an 1561 in the Bull of the Indiction Pius the IV useth other words then Paulus the III and Julius the III had used before Thus Charissimos verò in Christo filios nostros Romanorum Imperatorem electum caeterosque Reges Principes quos optandum sanè esset Concilio interesse posse hortamur rogamus without any mention of the most Christian King Philibert de la Bourdesiere Bishop of Angoulesm Embassadour of France in the Popes Court expostulated with him by the Kings order for that neglect with protestation that notwithstanding that neglect he would not hinder the progress of the Councill yea that he had commanded his Bishops to go to the Councill The Pope answered that he had charged some Cardinals to form the Bull and that they had not heeded that Pointillo and that after they had named the Emperour they had not judged it necessary to name all the Kings but had comprehended them under one generall name The Embassador replyed that it was a Prerogative of the Kings of France not to be comprehended under a generall name The Pope answered that he could not foresee all things and that another time order should be given that the like errour should not be committed In the year 1562 the 18. of May Lewis de Saint Gelais Lord de Lansac came to Trent and three dayes after Arnault Ferrier President of the Enquests of Paris and Guy du Faur de Pibrac chiefe Judge of Tolosa sent by the King of France who were received with great honour by the Council yea great part of the Prelats subjects of the King of Spain went to meet them But Ferdinand de Avalo Marquess of Pesquera Embassadour to King Philip went out of Trent three dayes before and retired to Milan of which he was Governour pretending a feare from the Protestants of Daulphiné and the Switzers but in effect to avoid meeting with the French Embassadors who took their place in the general Congregation after the Imperiall Embassadors Pibrac made a fine Oration wherein he spake very freely against the disorders of the Church the small progress of the Councill in such a long time and for the liberty of voting in the Councill which was not to be expected from Rome He was seconded by the two other Embassadors Lansac and Ferrier The Pope complained of it and said that the King of France had sent not Embassadors but Advocates of the Hugenots And indeed the ill opinion which the Fathers of the Councill had of the beliefe of these three men was a cause why the Councill and the Pope dealt with them with more rigor In the meane while the French Bishops came to the Councill conducted by the Cardinall of Lorraine who was most honourably received by the Cardinall of Mantua and the other Legates Soon after the coming of the Cardinall of Lorrain Philip the II having called back the Marquesse of Pesquera sent to Trent another Embassador Ferdinand Quigones Count de Luna who being gone to Germany before to be present at the Coronation of Maximilian Son to the Emperour Ferdinand would know of the Fathers of the Councill what place they would give him Upon which the Cardinall of Mantua the first Legate having consulted with the Embassadours of France and the Cardinall of Lorraine he propounded unto them this accommodation that as for them they should keep their place next to the Embassadors of the Emperour and that some other place might be found for the Count of Luna over against the Legates on the other side or after the Ecclesiastical Embassadors or in some other place out of the bench of the