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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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Light which is Christ which he hath enlightned them withall and he that loves the Light brings his works to the Light and there is no occasion of stumbling to him that walks in it and loves it and this Light is not a Chapter without which the Teachers of the World read Thou that hatest this Light thou hast it it lets thee see that all thy Deeds are evil if thou bringst thy works to it it will reprove thee Iohn 3. ●0 and this is the condemnacion of the World and here every one hath a Teacher whose mindes are informed Iohn 8. 12 to that in every mans conscience do I speak which should exercise it which shall eternally witness me and eternally condemn thee and you all who are haters of Light and what hast thou to do to talk of Iohn and of Christ and of the Churches and of the Angels and knowest not the first Principle yet Heb 5. 12 which should guide thee out of the World and bring thee to Repentance but to this thou art an Enemy to and among the Antichrists which say Lo here and Lo there Matthew 24. 23 30 Query Why do you teach exhort write Papers and print Books Answ In thy Query before thou askest whether the Scriptures were written for our instruction and now thou askest why do we exhort and teach here thou shewest forth that thou art tormented and thy terror begins for our giving forth Papers or Printed Books it is from the immediate eternal Spirit of God to the shewing forth the filthy practises of the Worlds Teachers and thine who with a pretence and fair colours and glosses and with a seeming Religion deceives the simple and thy own soul too we have bin long under captivity by you and such as you following your imaginacions but God hath raised up a Light within us by which we see you Deceivers without us and all the blinde Guides Matth 23 16. so for the simple ones sakes who are led by the blinde as we are moved by the immediat Spirit of Christ to write to teach or to exhort or to put in Print and this is it which doth torment thee but it is but the beginning of thy sorrow and this is from the immediat Spirit of Christ which thou art offended withall as ever the Pharises were but thou shalt see more Papers and more Printings and as the immediat Spirit grows there will be more abominacions and filthiness layd open and all Deceit will be discovered and the Truth spread abroad and cherished which will and doth trouble thee as Herod was when Christ was born Matth 2 3 31 Query What is Conscience where is it seated in man and what is its office and duty Answ Thou hard-hearted Pharaoh hast thou been a Professor so long and yet askest what is Conscience thou full of subtlety and Tempter it is that which thou makest shipwrack of 1 Tim 1 19 shut up from thy dark understanding and thy dark Reason it is seated below the hypocrisie in thee thou art a Tyrant to it and rulest over it yet in thy carnal knowledg thou wouldst know it to talk of it but Plagues and Curses are du to that nature which thou must know before thou know the office or duty of it as thou speakest for yet thou art in the hardness of thy heart and here thou hast overturned thy self thou hast before asked many Queryes but the intent is to maintain thy carnal state which seares the Conscience the tender part in man but Friend if thou hearken to the Light to that in thy Conscience do I speak 2 Cor. 5. 2. it will let thee see what Conscience is thou hard bea rt and it will exercise thy Conscience towards God and towards man Acts 24. 16 and here shalt thou see its duty and office and where it is seated and by it how thy understanding is enlightned and by it how thy heart is cleansed if thou hast an Ear thou mayst hear thou that wouldst be taught what Conscience is and where it is seated for shame lay away thy filthy Profession who wouldst know where Conscience is it is under thy hypocrisie who art comprehending Conscience with thy carnal Wisdom and Reason but thou must be confounded and condemned with that which should exercise thy Conscience 2 Cor 5 11 and here thou hast shewed forth thou dost not know the first Principle but art without and one of them whose Conscience is seared 1 Tim 4 2 32 Query If thou have the Spirit of Christ and in a large measure as some give out of thee taking upon thee to be a Teacher as also sending many Queryes to others I require of thee an Answer to these Queryes not in ambiguous and doubtfull terms as the Devil in his Oracles but in plain Language affirmatively or negatively full and clear according to the Spirit in the Gospel-times that he that runs may reade it or else confess thou art led with a spirit of deceit and darkness which would not willingly descover it self Answ Thou sayst if I have the Spirit of Christ which I have and witness it but as taking upon me in the will to be a Teacher as you are made Teachers that I do deny I do deny the will and you both 1 Cor 2 17 and all who are made Ministers by the will of man but the sending forth Queryes which grieve thee to others is that you may shew forth your folly as you have done in answering them by your dark minde which cannot comprehend the Light in which they are given forth but shews forth your darkness blindness ignorance and folly and despight against the Spirit of Grace being Enemies to Jesus Christ which is the Light in us and hath discovered and layd open your deceits and blindness and to all who have their Eys in their Head your folly is made manifest 2 Tim 3. 9 And thou hast here discovered thy ignorance and shewed forth thy folly in these Queryes thou dost require an Answer to these Queryes in plain Language which thou hast sent I have spoken plainly to thee and not flattered thee and as touching ambiguous terms they are thy own as the Devil in his Oracles thou art guarded with them I comprehend thee and see thy Cloathing and thy Affirmative and thy Negative proceeds from thy cursed minde but sound and clear I have answered thee according to the Spirit that is in the Gospel but to thy dark minde they will be dark for thou neither knowest the Spirit nor the Gospel for I have answered thee in the Gospel-time and he that hath the Spirit may run and reade it and reade thy spirit to be the spirit of Error erred from all them that did preach the Gospel which ever were we are not led by a spirit of Error but it we do deny therefore we do deny thee therefore openly and freely and nakedly do I declare my self to the discovering of the spirit of Error which is in thee and all thy blinde Guides who is led by the Spirit of Truth hath discovered you to be in the deceit and in darkness without God in the world the Plagues of God are to be poured upon the Beast and the false Prophet and the Beast and false Prophet are to be cast into the fier Rev 20. 10 there is thy porcion now do not call this railing and rash judgment for thou knowest the Letter thunders and speaks forth such words to such as thou art who livest in that nature Friend this is thy day of visitacion 2 Cor 5. 11 to that which is in thy Conscience I have spoken which shall eternally witness me and condemn thee 1 Cor 4. 2 The mouth of the Lord of Hosts hath spoken it The Preparacion of the Heart in Man and the Answer of the Tongue ●● from the Lord Prov 16. 1 FINIS NOw all you who are doting about Questions and are Ministers of Questions and not Ministers of Grace nor Edificacion but are busi-bodyes tempting and laying Snares and digging Pits lye are now fallen into the Pits which ye have digged for others and you who are wise are taken in your own craftiness and you are now answered from the mouth of the Lord and discovered and to every one is rendred his du and porcion but you sollowing the steps of your fathers the Iews you as they did marvel at his Answers though he was the Son of God Luke 20. 26 now you are answered own your porcion for I have kept back nothing what I received freely from the Lord freely I have declared unto you without parciality or having mens persons in admiracion because of advantage not favouring deceit nor giving liberty to sin for the Lord hath given us a mouth and wisdom which all our Gain-sayers are not able to resist and we walk in the pure wisdom of God and wisely towards you that are without redeeming the time and our speech is with Grace seasoned with Salt and we know how to answer every man Col 4. 5 6 Prayses Prayses to the Lord for ever who takes the wise in their craftiness and confounds and brings to shame all his Enemyes and discovers all Serpents with their twistings and twinings and subtle and cunning temptacions and hath fulfilled his Apostles words in his Sons and Daughters in making their folly manifest to all men and they shall proceed no further 2 Tim 3. 9 and now the painted Serpents the well-favoured Harlots the divers coloured Beasts and the wily Foxes are discovered to his Sons and Daughters that they cannot spoyl the tender Plants which the Lord himself hath planted in his Peoples hearts the Plants of his Renoun grows and flourisheth Prayses Prayses to the eternal powerfull God for ever Let all the Sons and Daughter of the Lord prayse the Lord Let all the Fathers and young men Children and Servants bless and prayse the Lord for ever who reigns for evermore Richard Hubberthorn
be onely visible things as a house of Wood and Stone and outward appearances as Forms and Rites and Customes that were observed therein Or the Idols Temple and the Worship that 's done therein be not also in mans Spirit and Mysticall Inward and Invisible as to sence according as it is begotten of the spirituall Prince of Darkness yea or no Answ Whereas thou wouldst be informed who art querying without in whom lodgeth the Mystery of iniquity which minde holds up the Forms and the Rites and the Customs and the Idols Temple of Lime and Stone which is the mysticall Spirit which thou speakst of for if thou own the Light which enlighteneth every one that comes into the world which is Christ it would bring thee into the Cross which is to thy carnall minde and let thee see the Prince of the Ayer rule in thee who art a Childe of disobedience where the Mystery of iniquity lodgeth and this light would let thee see the carnall minde in whom all the Images lodge and the Idols Temple and the carnall part being wrought out within and the Devils tremble and the Earth shaken Isay 2. 19. and thrown down there which is the foundacion of all images for that within holds up these without the carnal part within holds up the carnal Temple without and that looks at all these Rites Customs Forms and Tradicions thou speakst of and the minde that is perishing is that that holds up all these perishing things in whom the Mystery of Iniquity lodgeth 2 Thes 2. 7. but if thou wert obedient to the Light and loved it it would bring thee to know God and to escape the prince of the Ayer which holds up all these things without thee for Israel when he had forgotten his Maker builded Temples so thy carnal minde ruleing and disobeying the Light which would guide thee to God that carnal mind within brings thee to hold up Temples without thee and so thou art in the Pride and the Highness of minde for out of Pride whose Dominion is Satan came these Queries but who are made the Temples of God are holy and deny all your outward Temples of the Preists and and all your carnal Observances which you live in who profess the new-Covenant or the Gospel or Christ or the Word but I will deal plainly with you you are not come to know the old Covenant for from the inward doth all Idols and Images arise and there is many Idols and Images which thou bowest down to with out thee then look within thee and thou art full of Imaginacions and Images both within and without Pro. 6. 18. for as the spirituall Prince of Darkness as thou speakst they have their Idols and Images without as ever it was in all that Generacion which thou livest in and when thou hast denied the outward Idols all of them by the Light of God which thou hatest then thou shalt see them within thee thou that stumblest at the Light art he that holdst up all these Images Ezek. 7. 20. in whom the mystery of iniquity lodgeth for the Light of the body is the eye which shews all these things and that it is which I sayd to thee before thou knowest not for thou art full of Images within thou knowest it not born up in thy understanding to guide thee for it is the Light that enlightneth every one that cometh into the world Iohn 1. 9. which thou art an Enemy and a stranger to and stumblest at which Light shall be thy condemnacion Iohn 3. 19. 8 Query If the inward living invisible Word of God which is the Teacher in no way held forth under a Form as to outward appearance to men in earthen vessels why do I see thy Expressions and Exhortations come forth in Print Answ To the eighth Query Thou full of subtlety spuing forth thy Venom and askest in the Query before whe●her the word should be held forth or no and now thou dost hear something that is published abroad which is a cross to thee and which makes manifest you are stirred up and doth torment you therefore dost thou push with thy ten Horns nevertheless thou sendest not the Queryes to him whom thou dost accuse and sayst why see I thy Expressions in Print and sendest them to another but such is thy rage and fury and now it doth appear to all men though it hath layn close the eternal Word hath stirred him up but Friend I declare plainly to thee God Almighty of Heaven and Earth hath raised up a Light in the hearts of People 1 Pet. 2. 9. and he is coming to teach them himself whereby your abominacion and filthiness is discovered to the sons and daughters of the Lord God Almighty and according to his promise he hath poured forth his Spirit that his sons and daughters begin to prophecy Ioel 2. 28 29. Prayses be to the Lord God Almighty who now is setting up his Kingdom who sends his sons and Daughters abroad some to prophecy and some to preach and to declare his Name Freely ye have received freely give Matth. 10. 8. and some write and some speak face to face so you shall see it nearer you ere long and as the Prophets of the Lord who spake his Word somtimes spoke and when they were moved to write they writ ●nd published it abroad so do we the same being absent in body sending forth writings or Printed Books to declare to the simple mindes the deceits that ye who are blinde Guides have led them in but Iesus Christ the Light now shines by which ye are seen and discovered therefore stop your mouths be ashamed who have never had word from God Micah 3. 7. for the Lord God is coming to stop your mouths ye dumb Prophets and Dogs Thieves and Robbers who have stollen the words of others whom ye know not Jer. 23. 30. but the Earth hath got the Declaracion which is Earth and so speaks the Earth for the Earth but O Earth hear the Word of the Lord for wo is to ye that inhabit the Earth and now the Devil begins to rage because the Word of God is sounding abroad and the Trumpet is blowing which makes the Inhabitants of the Earth to tremble but all your Preaching we do deny and all your Blessings for as it is written as the Prophet sayd their blessings were cursed and their seed were corrupt Mal. 2. 2 3. and in their generacion you are the Light which is Christ is made manifest which lets me see you to be in that generacion which hath gathered us up to God and lets us see thee without God 9 Query Whether to exhort a man to attend to that Light which is within which his eye can see and which his ear can hear and which his understanding can comprehend and of which ●e can give a Reason be not to draw men to attend to visible things and to worship in the Idols Temple and to bow down to the Image of things which he hath
thy Reason but Truth hath comprehended thee who art for destruction thou high Blasphemer and Lucifer like VVhereas thou askest whether is he but the Gift and Dispensator and Maker out of the Fathers love to sinners as a Mediator and Advocate betwixt the Fater and them he is him whom the Father loveth who is the Mediator who is thy destruction God so loved the world that he gave his onely begotten Son into the world that whosoever believed on him should not perish but have everlasting life Iohn 3. 16. Friend thou art but querying to seed thy fleshly minde who art one of them that crucifiest him high in thy presumption so to thee he is no Mediator and to thee he is no Gift nor made manifest but art querying without of him and one of them that say Lo here and lo there Matth. 24. 23. and thy knowledg is the Letter and that is the Original and Gift and Manifestacion which is dust which ●eeds thee Serpent which the Curse is upon and it is the Seed of the Woman that must bruise thy Head as God who hath promised and sayd Gen. 3. 15. and this must every one witness who witness Christ thou with thy evil eye lookest at Christ and God at a distance and the Father and the Son at a distance as thou saydst before he set him at a distance which crosseth the life of Christ who sayd I in thee and thou in me Father as thou and I are one Iohn 17. 21. and he that hath the Father hath the Son and the Son is in the Father and in the Fountain but thou to this art ignorant who art scraping with thy carnal Reason to get up to the highest Pinnacle to tempt Christ who sittest as a Judg upon the Father and Christ and who crucifiest him and knowest not God but thou must be judged with him even the spiritual man and as it is written the first man is of the Earth earthly and the second is the Lord from Heaven 1 Cor. 15. 47. but thou sayst Christ is not truly God O thou false Judg who knowest neither God nor Christ who art making a separacion betwixt the Son and God and who art setting Christ at a distance who sayth he is in the Father and who makest a Ly upon the Scriptures and speakest contrary to them which thou callest the Original for it sayth In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and became Flesh and dwelt amongst us Iohn 1. and they knew him not no more do ye know him now who dwels amongst us but seek to crucifie him where ever he is made manifest who hath his being in the Father thou Enemy of God and of all Righteousness who sayth so not the Substance and Fountain in the bult and dignity in thy bult and dignity he is not here thou hast shewed forth thy self thou Lyar who sayst Christ is not in the bult as thou callest it and dignity who presumptuously wouldst sit as a Judg upon him to whom all power in Heaven and Earth is given to the Son Matth. 28. 18. who is in the Fountain and the Fountain in him who is in power and dignity who shall overthrow thee and thy dignity thou who art raced out from God and the Son and again thou queryest what is Christ it is him thou crucifiest and seekest to crucifie and slay and here thou Tempter who art without art querying whether Christ hath a Body and the Father none shewing thy self not to know the Lords Body for the Son is in the Father and they are one and with thy carnal eye lookest upon him to be like thy self if thou knowest his Body thou knowest the Fathers for they are both one thou full of subtlety who art querying how the Son may be distinguished from the Father he that knows the Son knows the Father and he that sees the Son sees the Father for he is in the Father and they are not to be distinguished but it is thou who art without in the world who art making many Gods as the world doth 1 Cor. 5. 8. Ier. ● 28. and art distinguishing who art distinguished from the Father and the Son who art making and makest three Gods and knowst none nor hast none but the God of the World to rule thee and here thou twining Serpent who art ensnaring art ensnared who art full of subtlety and catcht in thy wile who hast been rabbling upon thou knowst not what with thy filthy minde and talkest of thou dost not know what so thou art turned and must be turned into that which to thee will be hot and the Son and the Father are one I and my Father are one Iohn 10 30. and not two but to thee he that hath an Ear let him hear but here thou hast none who hast a busie minde medling with that which doth not concern thee and so thou shewest thy self where thou art 6 Query Whether there be a pure and an eternal Light in every Male and Female if a true and saving Light in and to every one how is it that there shall so many perish Is Satan stronger than God Shall or can flesh and bloud quench and extenuate the Spirit in his operacion and so the arm of the Almighty shortned frustrated and made void by the disobedience of flesh Is there a power in every man as he is man to be saved if he will Answ Christ sayth I am the Light of the world that enlightneth every one that cometh into the world Iohn 1. 9. The one he loves the Light and brings his works to the Light and walks in the Light and to him there is no occasion of stumbling Iohn 3. 20 21. and you that hate the Light you stumble and know not whither you go who hast put forth so many stumbling Queryes and with thy dark minde thou canst not comprehend the Light but Light comprehends thee and sees thy end and intent which Light shall be thy condemnacion John 1. 5. and thou sayst How is it that there shall so many perish that which asketh the question must perish who hates the Light as thou dost and gayusays the truth shall perish as Core did Iude 11. and the Eternal pure Light shall be thy condemnacion in thy own mouth shalt thou be judged who livest in the disobedience of the pure Light and slightest his mercyes and turnest the free Grace of God into wantonness the mouth of the Lord of Hosts hath spoken it who is the Lord God of Heaven and Earth and my arm is not shortned sayth the Lord and Satan is exalted above all that is called God in thee 2 Thess 2. 4. thou son of perdicion and that which is of God in thee is imprisoned and thou with thy fleshly minde crucifiest the just and quenchest the Spirit as the Iews did who crucified Christ as thou readest in the Letter Iohn 19. and in that generacion thou art if thou hast an Ear thou mayst hear thou Enemy of
with thy carnal minde to maintain thee and to hold up thy carnal gift and these things which Christ forbids his to do so who said Freely you have received freely give but here thou art not and it shews that thou hast not received it freely therefore thou sellest that which thou callest thy gift which the Apostles never did 1 Cor. 9. 18. Paul was not hired when he was refreshed with the necessaries of the Barbarians O thou Enemy why dost thou accuse Paul and would make him like thy self let him alone for thou knowest him not nor his Ministery for he was a prisoner of the Lord a traveller of the sea when the Barbarians lodged him what is that to thee to maintain thee to bear rule by thy means which Ieremy cryed against Ier. 23. 14. holdest up the horrible filthy thing that is committed in the Land to justifie thee to be a hierling and to receive thy gift and here thou hast openly shewed thy self to be an accuser of the Apostle and wouldst make him like Balaam like thy self and would have the woman to help thee and those are thy nursing fathers Kings and Queens which hold up thy gift which the Prophet cryed wo against but it is that fools may utter forth their folly and be taken in their own snare Prov. 13. 16. here thou art answered the Beast that hath held up the false Prophet and the false Prophet shall both into the fier And thou sayst thou dost not take gifts of the world but if any Prophet of the Lord come among you son or daughter you shew your selves to be of the world you shew your selves to be strikers and of the Devil halling them out of the Synagogues Matth. 10. 17. and to be no Saints nor no Church of God nor no Ministers of Christ and here thou shewest thou takest of the world and thy self to be a Lyar for thou never readest of any of the Churches of God if any of the world came in among them that they halled them out and beat them but it shews the effect of thy ministery and blasphemy which sayth ye are Iews and are not but are Synagogues of Satan Rev. 2. 9. 3. 9. we have found thee out and tryed thee Query 5. Whether the Plagues be not added to him that adds to the Prophecy of the things written in this Book Priests Answer 'T is tru the Spirit of God sayth so Rev. 22. 18 19. I do believe it yet again the expounding and opening of it by the Light of the Spirit of God given in comparing it with other Scriptures is not that which brings the curse for then the Apostle himself would have been under it 1 Cor. 9. 9 10. Rom. 4. 3 6. Rom. 11. 3 4 5. For expounding it wherein I have added or taken away is not yet discovered by any of you and that is the waight of the business when thou didst write to me or any other the Lord judg and let all the Lords people judg whether he be not more apt by far to add to the Prophecy of this Book who by his doctrine begetsi● slight esteem of the Prophecy of this Book and perswades his hearers that his words are as true as any Scripture and he cannot err and therefore all is to be believed that he speaks and not to be questioned though many things are contrary to this Prophecy than they that are so much blamed by them and reproached dayly A Reply to the Priests Answer Thou sayst it is tru that the Spirit of God sayth that the Plagues are added to him that adds to the prophece of this Book here thou speakest a Lye thou sayst it is tru the Spirit of God sayth He that adds or diminishes to the prophecy of the Book which hadst thou not seen the Letter then hadst known no spirit and because the Letter sayth so that is thy spirit but as I finde thee adding wresting and lying I do see that the plagues are added to thee by the same Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures and of them thou knowest nothing in that thou speakest a Lye in that thou sayst thou dost know it for thou knowest it not to be a truth though the Letter speak it as they swore the Lord lived and swore falsly Jer. 3. ● if thou didst thou durst not add nor diminish thou sayst comparing one Scripture with another is not that which brings the curse for then the Apostle would have been under it and so with thy corrupt minde dost accuse the Apostle falsly and wouldst make him like thy self and who speaks of the Scriptures fulfilling which thou canst not witness but makest a trade of them without thee and wouldst have Points and Reasons of them as thou wouldst have made a poynt of the Resurrection in thy former writing and here the plague of God is due to thee and here I charge thee again and here the Fool is out of the truth and the Rod is for the back of the Fool Prov. 10. 13. Prov. 18. 28. and here is the Scripture fulfilled upon thee and thou sayst it is not discovered by any of us whether thou addest or diminishest here thou hast shewed thy self to be a Lyar thou hast been told both publickly and privately of it and of thy deceit and now seeing thou hast openly shewed thy self to be a Lyar here openly do I make thee manifest as a Lyar who wouldst justifie thy self in thy deceit but thou harlot art made bare and discovered Nah. 3. 4 5 6. who hast sitten long under a colour and here is the Scripture is fulfilled upon thee and the Prophets words tru we finde them fulfilled Prayses prayses be to the Lord God of Heaven and Earth for ever who gives his servants victory over the Beast and the false Prophet Rev. 15. 2 3 4. such as thou art who have been ensnared by thee therefore we see that Plagues are thy porcion thou sayst that plagues are the waight that we give thee it is so 't is thy due and porcion thou sayst the Lord judg and let all the Lords people judg 1 Cor. 6. 2. the Lord doth judg and the Lord hath judged and the Lords people doth judg all such as thou art Him that thou dost accuse as to add to the prophecy in the Book he doth not but witnesses it thou having not the same witness canst not believe and neither sees him nor the prophecy of the Book thou seest the outside of the Letter with thy visible eye as they did which saw the outside of the Vision of Daniel Dan. 10. 7. But we that do believe him do believe his Doctrine not an outward testimony but we have the witness in our selves which are one with him and it doth witness that he hath the Spirit of truth which cannot err but we do know thy spirit by the same Spirit to be the spirit of error and here thou wouldst not have the Spirit of God to be believed on but here